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Eruditor:
[s] Ronaldinho was there when RM won the league 2006-2007/2007-2008

He was there when Madrid beat Barca 4-1 after Barca had given RM a guard of honor.

See how you are brandishing your ignorance with alacrity. [/s]

This is irrelevant to my point. Please Just Stop mentioning me.

popizaino:
Even Chelsea with a caretaker could win the ucl and fà in record time. Spain won a competition but did not dominate point of correction. They needed a penalty shoot out to knock out an azzuri side without pirlo, gattuso and most of the other senior players that won World Cup 2006 with them. Your other points are dead on arrival. el-classico results with Ronaldinho was 4- 1 and 0-1 all in favour of Madrid.

You just exposed yourself as a typical Wikipedia analysis. You just googled the euros,saw that they drew Italy and came here to spew absolute fallacy. The went through out the knock out stage conceding 0 goal and went all though unbeaten. Only someone who didn't watch euros 08 will say Spain wasn't dominate. The two tournament Spain dominated are both Euros8 & 12.

The bolded is absolute ridiculous and exposes you more as a Wikipedia expert. You spew rubbish with confidence . Where did you get those rubbish from? Barca didn't win at bernabeu for straight seven seasons until Ronaldinho came and in his first season Barca won with him providing an assist to xavi. In his 2nd match at bernabeu he completely destroyed Madrid Singlehandedly. It was Ronaldinho/Rijkaard era that ushered in Barca dominace and tip the scale of El classico not any Pep. Go and sit down

popizaino:
The same jupp heyckens finished trophyless with a pre tournament favourite team like bayern Munich let that one sink in. Pep guardiola never had to finish trophyless with bayern Munich


Mancini competed against good team, but pep guardiola who had to beat a sir Alex Frauduson team with Ronaldo competed against a bad team I guess.

Which of your favourite coaches will ever come out victorious if they had to face a fergie side including Ronaldo, Rooney,even if they were given the trio of Messi, xavi and Iniesta? Pep guardiola is not your ordinary coach take a bow for the greatest of all time.



You might want to argue he had the trio of Messi, xavi and Iniesta pls why didn't the trio show up against bayern Munich when they were scoring seven goals past them without Pep guardiola?


Where were the trio of xavi, Iniesta Messi when El-classico was one sided in favour of real Madrid before pep guardiola took over and turned it to an easy ride for Barcelona?


For most of the time pep guardiola never made the finals it was either his player missing a spot kick of missing clearcut chances.

Barca without a coach was reaching 100points. Spain before pep used iniesta and xavi to dominate a competition.

The bolded is fallacy. Ronaldinho turned the tide of El classico not pep. Barca were a mess before Ronaldinho and Rijkaard. It was both(plus others but mainly those two) that set Barca on a path of domination.

Eruditor:
Lol. I am not praising Pep. I said he is a fraud who beat your best ever manager...TWICE.

Deal with it. Your GOAT manager therefore is worse than a fraud.

Lol ok sir.

Eruditor:
Was he the first to win UCL titles for those teams?

If no, then you are talking nonsense.

At inter Milan..... First champions league in 44yrs delivered by Mourinho

At Porto ........First champions league in 17yrs delivered by Mourinho.

Not like Guardiola that Barca won the Champions league just 3yrs before he came in.

LegoxMetahuman:
what makes guirdiola better than zidane?

if zidane had gone to bayern, or psg after leaving madrid, he would have added another league title to boost his profile.

If you are using 3 Champions title to rate Zidane then he is better than all the coaches in the world even fergie except Ancelotti. Do you agree with that ? If it's no then you see raumdeuter logic is stupid. Pep a bald fraud and a cheque book merchant but when it comes to comparisism between him and Zidane the latter is ten times better.

Eruditor:
Zidane is the greatest manager in the world.

SAF is a fraud.

Pep beat SAF twice with the same superstructure that Rijkaard could not use.

SAF 2 UCL titles in 26 years. Shameless. Losing to a fraud like Pep.

Rijkaard won both the Champions league and league at Barca same as Pep. Even if he was an average coach why will you a Barca fan insult a successful coach at your club just to praise pep.

Eruditor:
Tell us the year another coach won 6 trophies in one season.

Mourinho won the Champions league with both inter and Porto. Nothing pep have done or will do, will ever surpass that.

Eruditor:
The same time RDM won with CFC that Mou could not win with.

Wrong answer. Tell us the year

Eruditor:
AVB won a treble in Porto. Maybe if he had stayed the following season he would have won the same UCL the following year.

After all, Porto had a superstructure which Mou benefitted from.

Inter had the same superstructure. A nobody like Mancini was winning league titles there back to back to back without the 100M Mou spent to win his own.

Don't insult Mancini. He was competeting against good teams to win those league titles. I won't insult another coach just to big up a coach I like unless it's pep . When last did inter and Porto win the Champions league before Mourinho?

LegoxMetahuman:
i'm glad people are now beginning to see fraudiola for what he really is.


he has not been able to prove to anyone that he is better than zidane.
zidane is still way better if we are to go by 1 ucl >`1000 leagues of raumdeuter.

Zidane that set a record that i don't think any manager will ever break in this generation is not even getting 1/10th of the hype this bald fraud gets.

No I disagree. Guardiola is a fraud but he is definitely better than Zidane. If you use raumdeuter wrong logic that means Zidane is also better than fergie,Lippi etc which is blasphemy.

raumdeuter:
Porto was the biggest club in Portugal, Inter at the time Mourinho joined had won 3 titles in a row in Italy. They are what Juventus is currently

When was the last time inter and Porto won champions league before Mourinho came?

raumdeuter:
Surprise us like Mourinho at Madrid, Mourinho at Chelsea or Mourinho at Man Utd

By doing what Mourinho did at Porto and inter. Taking teams with less resources to win trophies.

thorrvik55:
10 likes from me..

#Fraudiola

He then went to Bayern and did nothing. He took over the best team in Europe with an incredible squad, miles ahead of anyone in their domestic league with far more money than the rest, where they can take their rivals best players at will only to get disgraced in the Champions league back to back. Already made job merchant. He should be bold like Mourinho and surprise us.

Swissh:
Ordinary simple question. They had Messi,xavi and iniesta the 2 seasons before Guardiola took over right? Can you tell us what they won during those 2 seasons? No need for long Epistles just list the trophy/trophies

When Rijkaard took over Barca the previous 3 seasons they had finished 4th, 4th and 6th. They were in a real mess, much worse than when Pep took over. Yet even an average coach like Rijkaard, when working in the Barca structure was able to win both La Liga and the Champions league. So it shows there are very good reasons why people are still unsure about Pep. I don't get why there is this resistance to that kind of very reasonable thinking. Look at how the Spanish team was dominating internationally at that time, with Xavi and Iniesta at the heart of it. They were the best players at Euro 2008. Am I supposed to believe Luis Aragones is an amazing coach, as Spain were pretty fantastic at that time and this was before Pep? Then when Pep left Barca, didn't they win the league with their best ever points total, despite Tito being seriously ill and having to manage without him for much of the season. A coach less Barca creating records. If Pep was so vital to Barca's success, then how can he be replaced so easily by someone who is only there part time? Is Luis Enrique an amazing manager?

afrodoc2:
He is overrated. His paltry number of league titles despite coaching multiple all time greats tells us all about him.

Zidane that won 3 UCL back to back to back despite underachieving in the league should give you guys an idea about what goes into winning or losing the UCL title.

If you win what he's won you deserve to be rated extremely high. 3 Champions league and He also won the double in his first season in the PL, something not many managers can say. Who knows how much further success he might have had if Chelsea hadn't decided to Chelsea him out of the club?
He's obviously a very good manager, you can maybe fluke one Champions League but not 3. He's not at the all-time great level but definitely not overrated.

If you argue that his relatively underwhelming league record undermines his overall outstanding success then why couldn't others argue that SAF's relatively underwhelming success in Europe undermines his overall standing too? I think nitpicking to that degree is a bit silly, no manager is perfect. You just have to judge the overall package and I think in Ancelotti's case it's a pretty outstanding one.

afrodoc2:
Ancelotti is overrated. He is not in any GOAT discussion, just very fortunate to have coached legions of all time greats all over the place.

Doc na. He won more Champions league then SAF. He won the Serie A, the Bundesliga, the French League and EPL At club level he has won everything there is to win

Mapoka:
EPL team of the decade

Sterling seriously?

Kimbeast:
Ranieri first stint at Valencia he was disgracing them Madrid and Barca on a regular. His 2nd stint was a disaster. Ranieri killed them the second time around with the wave of underwhelming Italian signings plus the demise of Vicente, Baraja, Mista also played a part. Valencia was the biggest rival for real madrid in the peak of galactico era. When Benitez was an OG. El Clasico had its poisonous atmosphere, especially due to the Figo transfer and all , but Valencia was the big dog.

He inherited a talented team from Hector Cuper, including the likes Cañizares, Roberto Ayala, Rubén Baraja, David Albelda, Vicente and Pablo Aimar. The team had reached two successive European Cup finals before Benitez. He was impressive but the team was already primed for success.

Roland17:
The plug was going to be pulled if we lost to Genoa but Reina saved Giampaolo that day. L. Spalletti is the number one choice but he would have to figure out his settlement issue with Inter before he can sign with anyone. Spalletti is a very experienced Serie A coach especially with top Serie A sides but, to be honest, he is not my preference because I have watched his sides. His sides did not score much but they were very good defensively and compact in the middle. If you consider our current roster, I don't think he can be worse than Giampaolo. Hopefully, he can stabilize our defense and provide some balance to our midfield. @Chic2pimp, remember I told you I would rather we let Giampaolo go especially if there are no assurances he will remain with us after this season. I am not a fan of R. Garcia, he was not impressive at Marseille and his sides leaked ton of goals. Ranieri would be too conservative for me, the same as Pioli. The club is looking to stabilize and steady the ship with this hire, nothing long term. I would be shocked if anyone is offered more than 2 years.

Honest question - What is you guys plan to becoming a powerhouse in Europe again? What's missing? Money/investments? Players? World class Coach?

Kimbeast:
The Man has journeyed a lot.


Italy: Roma (twice), Inter Milan, Juventus, Parma, Fiorentina, Napoli, Cagliari

England: Fulham, Leicester City, Chelsea

France: Nantes, Monaco

Spain: Valencia (twice), Atletico Madrid

When you need to stabilize a club he is first choice.
He has been awful in most his jobs. The Leicester City run was the biggest fluke in football history.

is it not ranieri that relegated Athletico Madrid?

Kimbeast:
@Roland17 & chic2pimp have you seen reports that Milan have decided to sack Giampaolo. The first choice name for his replacement is Spalletti. The other alternatives are Garcia, Pioli and Ranieri. I knew Giampaolo won't last the full season. Spalletti is More than capable.

Lol ranieri has turned to the big Sam of Europe LMFAO.

raumdeuter:
Juventus has won the Serie A 35 times, the next team has won 18 times, remove the ones won by Conte and still tell the difference. Before Conte became a coach Juventus was leading everyone with a big gap

Let Conte win the Serie A since he got his desired players now and no excuse of Morata anymore.

Like Guardiola will win Seria a with Inter Milan.

raumdeuter:
I wonder why Sevilla bought him. I saw him at Mochengladbach many yrs ago and gave up on him

He was disastrous yesterday. Never knew he was that bad.

popizaino:
Add to the bolded Conte side couldn't score a single goal at home against benefica to make Europa league finals that will be played on his home turf.

Hope you know there are coaches better in league competitions than cup competitions and vice versa. Ancelotti and Conte are good examples. Even pep tho is a fraud and cheque book manager is better in league competitions than cup.

Adiwana:
Very poor striker. Buckles under pressure like a woman. Can't play with his feet.Runs like a headless chicken only waiting for the ball to be crossed. Oya, the header he can do, can't position himself well to head. At least Morata can head the ball

That guy is a total liability and not fit to be called a footballer let alone a striker

He is a very limited striker.

Melvyn11:
Join thorvik and sit down somewhere preferably inside bush. Lampard is the upgraded version of Countinho. Shoot,shoot and when it doesn't work shoot even More. No wonder he owns the record for most shots at the world cup without scoring a single goal.

Keep on Exposing the pk merchant and awoof shot expert. I dey your back lol.

Kimbeast:
He should never have left PSV. He is not good enough for a real league. Worst striker in la liga.

Sevilla have nobody but themselves to blame. Very limited and his finishing is Kante level.How does Luuk De Jong keep starting over Chicarito I will never understand.

If Chelsea fans are complaining about morata and higuain I wonder what they will do if they have Sevilla de jong as striker lol.

kizolo:
What’s the feasibility of sacking Ole ASAP?

Stop scapegoating ole

Leyqute:
Shut up. You can’t compare the team they both met on ground with the United squad.

Even Valverde is still trying, yet Barca fans don’t think he’s got enough taktiks.

Is the pressure at Barca and Madrid not bigger than at United? Thank God you mentioned valverde who has won trophies with them yet the fans wants him out which shows you the kind of expectations. If you were a Barca/Madrid fan you would have said what trophies have pep/Zidane won and how the pressure is too big for them. Poch was a candidate to Manage Madrid and you think he can't deal with united lol.

timay:
And not ordinary teams but top and big teams sef. Cos most of the Tottenham players have grown to be bigger than Tottenham, cos I don't think Tottenham has the wage structure to keep them, cos they are now big players

And if Poch was in a top team were his top talents can't be poached or have desire to go to bigger teams don't you think he will do wonders.
Poch has Proven track record in the Premier League,He has proven he can develop players to world class levels and introduce youth,he is looking to manage at a TOP club that can compete in the transfer market and get him better players. Poch has all the attributes to be a success at United.