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Jodera:
Sod09 and Kokaneprodigy....

Una boy don sign new long term contract

More time to compare him and Mustafi

Roland17:
Firstly, it has been proven scientifically that burnout and fatigue have a strong relationship to injury in soccer/ athletes in general. Burnout/ fatigue make athletes vulnerable to injury. I have included peer reviewed articles to show you.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8534279/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259918450_Overuse_Injuries_and_Burnout_in_Youth_Sports_A_Position_Statement_from_the_American_Medical_Society_for_Sports_Medicine
Overuse Injuries and Burnout in Youth Sports: A Position Statement from the American Medical Society for Sports Medicine

"Constantly pushing your body without enough rest and recovery leads to overexertion. Overexertion can lead to a constant state of fatigue, increase your risk of soccer injuries, and negatively affect your mood and morale."
https://storelli.com/blogs/the-storelli-blog/prevent-soccer-burnout

https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2017/Overtraining-and-Overuse-Injuries-Causes-Burnout-in-a-Young-Athlete

You are trying to change the direction of this debate and I will not let you. In your original position you tried to debunk the idea that Jesus and Saka were playing heavy minutes, are being rotated and even used Nketiah who is not a starter/ integral piece of the first 11 to support your claim.

I argued otherwise with stats and numbers to show both Saka and Jesus are infact playing very heavy minutes which makes them susceptible to fatigue/ burnout and it has been proven that burnout makes players vulnerable to injuries, especially muscle related injuries or a loss of form.

The fact that this is being asked during pre/post match conferences shows it is a legitimate conversation to be had because running Saka to the ground over the last 3 seasons has been a recurring issue that needs to be addressed.

Also, no one is undervaluing the UL, however, some of these games did not need Saka/ Jesus to play, especially when you look at the schedule and how much they have played over the last month. It will be interesting to see the lineup against PSV on the 27th; I hope not to see Saka/ Jesus/ Partey suit up or even travel.

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Roland17:
This is about integral pieces of our first 11 like Jesus and Saka and that is what was being alluded to.

Bukayo Saka (Omo Ologo the GOAT)
1st of October: Saka plays 95 minutes against Spuds
6th of October: Saka comes off the bench to play 35 minutes against Bodo
9th of October: Saka played 90 minutes against Liverpool
13th of October: 4 days later, he travels to Norway and plays 59 minutes against Bodo
16th of October: 3 days after, he travels back to England, plays 82 minutes of intense football against Leeds.
20th of October: 4 days later he starts against PSV and plays 85 minutes

Gabriel Jesus
1st of October: Jesus plays 80 minutes against Spuds
6th of October: Comes off the bench against Bodo and saw 35 minutes of action
9th of October: 90 minutes against Liverpool
13th of October: Did not play
16th of October: 82 minutes against Leeds
20th of October: 76 Minutes against PSV

Roland17:
Frequent use lead to burnout which increases the possibilities of injuries occurring, especially muscular injuries. There is a reason color codings for burnout exist in player fitness.

BlueRayDick:
Jesus and Saka should not be starting this match . Arteta will soon jinx our perfect start to the season if either or both of them gets injured.

Everything wey dey sweet us go clear for our eyes that time .

BlueRayDick:
Jesus and Saka should not be starting this match . Arteta will soon jinx our perfect start to the season if either or both of them gets injured.

Everything wey dey sweet us go clear for our eyes that time .

BlueRayDick:
At this point I think Arteta really carry this season Europa for head gan.

Only God knows what team he will field in the knockout stages if he’s fielding this kind strong lineup in the group stage .

Jodera:
The bolded was the issue I had and countered which was what you raised
The bolded you said was why I said you were justifying PKs cos there's no need to say Marc Roca would have had a clear goalscoring opportunity if the ball hadn't hit Saliba hands cos even if it didn't, Saliba would have cleared it cos he still had it under control. The handball itself was a disadvantage to us and never any advantage and we were lucky that Bamford missed the resulting PK.

This is simple cos that was what I was countering since and even Mo.stob joined me in disagreeing with the bolded.

Jodera:
Lol .. it seems you missed our genesis of this our talk. I called you out wanting to hear your opinion on whether Saliba was right not to engage Bamford when he made a mistake and Bamford ran free through on goal. And you answered the question satisfactorily but then started bringing example of how the penalty we conceded was a good decision and that Marc Roca was free etc

I don't understand why you said Saliba case is not a good example cos it was you who brought that up and that was what I was countering in you justifying that the penalty we conceded was not a bad idea. Simple!!

Jodera:
Lol, So Roca was even the person Saliba have already handled sef? That Roca that Saliba had already dealt with is whom you're claiming had an open goal opportunity?

Tbh, anyone who watched that highlight will know that Saliba intended to guard that ball and Roca so that the either he clears it with his leg or wait for the onrushing Ramsdale to catch the ball but unfortunately it fell to his hands. Na only you see missed control sha.

Since you said the both penalties we conceded this season is a good decision, no problem, I leave you to your opinion.

Time have a way of always answering all these things— either sooner or later. Cheers!!

mostob:
the bolded is the main point.
This is exactly what Saliba did.
Trust me, I understand your point perfectly just that both Saliba and Gabriel examples you stated don't follow your argument.

Another example is Valverde against Atletico in super Copa. Dude clipped Morata's leg which prevented a goal. They later won the match.

mostob:
I understand you bro... But you have to put the scenarios into consideration too.
The examples you gave here are in knockouts.
Now imagine against United in first half, Rashford was through on goal and Gabriel (our last defender) was just behind him.
Now, according to you, Gabriel should hack him down and concede a penalty which will definitely be a red card offence.
The team will now be forced to chase the game with a man down.

mostob:
Thus una argument sef...
I remember Luiz that time. He would commit a foul as the last defender and still collect red card. The team will be a goal down and at the same time, a player down.
Conceding a penalty deliberately is a wrong decision for me cos the team might be losing in two ways.

Jodera:
Spy360, this is the sequence that led to the penalty.

The purple arrow is the direction of the ball

The red marker is the player(attacker) whom the ball was intended for

The green marker is Marc Roca. (your supposed 'dangerous' player)


From the screenshot we can see how everybody was looking at the direction of the ball(including Ramsdale) and how Saliba had already man marked his attacker before ball mistakenly hit his hand.

How will you look at this sequence (with respect to the direction of the ball) and say that Marc Roca (the one marked green) have an open goal opportunity and that the decision for Saliba to handle the ball is a good decision.

Isn't it ridiculous to think that Marc Roca who is faraway from the sequence is now the most dangerous so the best way to avoid that is by handling the ball?
How is Saliba handling the ball the best/last resort to prevent Marc Roca from scoring in this scenario?

You see why I said you're justifying PKs but you'll say I'm witch hunting you

Jodera:
that's a wrong example cos he didn't intentionally clip Kane's leg. You're making it seem as if Pickford deliberately did that but it isn't. Pickford spilled a low shot and in the process of catching the ball back, Kane quickly kicked the ball away from him and commited him(Pickford). Looking at it from all angles, Kane even add dive join but the contact with Pickford was what made that thing a penalty.

If Kane wasn't looking for penalty in that scenario, why do you think he dived?

You're making it seem conceding a penalty is good and that's the issue.... It is not good!!

Whether the penalty is scored or not, it is not good!! There's a reason why attacking teams and fans scream for joy when a penalty is given and there's a reason why the defending team are always downcast when they concede a penalty.

That's because this probability of a striker missing it is very very very very low.

Jodera:
1..If this is the question you asked in the first bolded, then the answer is yes. I gave you examples in Saliba ystdy who allowed Bamford a free run to take a shot at goal after his error even when he had the opportunity to "engage". I gave you another example with Ramsdale and Vardy with more recent one in Pope and Rashford this weekend. All these people had the opportunity to engage the attacking player but they preferred the player a free run on open goal and in the case of Saliba, he allowed Bamford a free run on one on one with Ramsdale.

2.. As for the 2nd bolded. That instructions work only when attacking players are outside the Penalty box and never inside. No coach will ever ever tell you do that nonsense inside the penalty box and that's the issue of this our differences. Even Simeone and Mourinho, two of the world's aggressive coaches never ever allow their players to be aggressive in the box. You think if Gabriel slide Richarlison outside the Penalty box, there would be backlash?

My contrary opinion is that, no team should try to concede a penalty, no matter what. No team should have a choice to gift his opponent a penalty no matter the situation except if it's last minute or almost last minutes of the game and it's an open goal . Anything aside that, penalty should be avoided at all cost

You implying that it's good that Saliba handled the ball just to prevent an open goal from Bamford is totally wrong. Worst part is that Bamford didn't even have an open goal to score from in that sequence leading to the penalty

Jodera:
I'm sorry if I sound so but that's how it you made me understand it

If you feel that Saliba handling that ball in the Penalty area(whether deliberate or not) or Gabriel conceding a penalty against tottenham is a good decision for us to concede a penalty, then It'll be difficult to know how else to put it

duro4chang:
Back to the sender .

duro4chang:
Na ya trade mark be that. Dingbat.

duro4chang:
E be like say my comment dey make you sad. You have just started. I go give you more of it. Before election many of you will get heart attack. Kikikikikiki! I laff at your woe. Tinubu is the next president of Nigeria joor. The best man for the job. Haters continue to feel sad. I like it like that. As e dey pain you e dey sweet us here .

Tinubuadvocate:
If you want to leave go we are here Nigeria is a best country to live.

Jodera:
Like any penalty we concede now, Spy would always think it's the right decision and that nothing can be done to avert it.
If any team go with that mentality eh, relegation no go sure for them?

mostob:
I disagree with this... Saliba was already in control. It is either he clear the ball or Ramsdale catches it. The way he handled the ball was foolish.

Jodera:
What do you mean by technical foul In penalty area. Are you justifying it was a right decision to gift that penalty? That we conceding that penalty was a good one because Bamford had an open goal? In fact, did bamford had an open goal leading to that penalty?

I don't understand how someone will say you need to do technical foul to get a penalty just to prevent a goal? No coach advice it and will never do such unless it's last minute of the game (or almost last minute) and there's no other option.
And for info, any 'technical' foul that denies an open goal opportunity is a red card. Whether technical or not... It's a red card cos that's the rule. You can't have it both ways.

You think if Bamford was really on an open goal, Saliba wouldn't have been red carded? (whether it's a mistake or not).

Omo, this is the first time I'm seeing someone glorifying conceding a penalty sha. Something all teams avoid no matter what and all attacking teams pray to have.

mostob:
Guys, assuming mbappe is available, would you want arsenal to sign him?

Jodera:
isn't It obvious?. The risk is very very high compared to the reward

Roland17:
The GOAT finishes 8th which is a false representation to me. I thought Bellingham had a far more impressive season than Gabu, same with Musiala. Nuno Mendes/ Gravenberch/ Gvardiol did not have a better season than the GOAT!

His lack of UCL appearances is by far the biggest thing holding him back.

1. Gavi (Barcelona)
2. Eduardo Camavinga (Real Madrid)
3. Jamal Musiala (Bayern Munich)
4. Jude Bellingham (Borussia Dortmund)
5. Nuno Mendes (Paris Saint-Germain)
6. Ryan Gravenberch (Ajax/Bayern Munich)
7. Josko Gvardiol (RB Leipzig)
8. Bukayo Saka (Arsenal)
9. Karim Adeyemi (Red Bull Salzburg/Borussia Dortmund)
10. Florian Wirtz (Bayer Leverkusen)

Jodera:
While I agree for that red card and it'll be foolish for him to engage but you see that bolded, check out how Ramsdale allowed vardy free reign to score the goal this season when he dribbled Ramsdale yet Ramsdale didn't foul him. Even ystdy when Rashford dribbled Pope, Pope didn't foul him either too. To do all those things is last option in last minute of the game.
Aside that, it's never ever advisable to do the bolded

Jodera:
Lol, now it's about timing of the game?

Thank God Saliba doesn't believe in the bolded, if not ehh.

mariahAngel:
Peter Obi is deviating from an already established movement - the Obidients.
He should know he does not need any approval from a terrorists apologist for anything. What for?
He should stay on course.