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Roland17:
But we have not seen how the this new team will be integrated or used on the field of play. It’s not about getting new players, it’s about the tactics used to get the best out of them. His current contract expires in 2024 yet he is in no rush to extend despite the signatures, what does that tell you?

If you ask me, I think he wants to see what happens this coming season. I bet you, if we finished 4th this past season, it would have been an easier decision because he would have extended by now.

I swear, I will be dammed if after all these players we still play Haram football and then finish outside top 4. I am not going to be kind or patient this time because there is absolutely no excuse for us to continue parking the bus every time.

We all know Arsenal is a big club and should be playing CL, but you should appreciate the progress made so far towards achieving that.

Take away the injuries to Partey and Tierney, we would have been in CL this season. The lack of depth is what the club is solving now and hopefully things will get better. Try to see the brighter side of things

Jodera:
Bro, I understand you and where you're coming from. But what I certainly don't understand is you thinking that football terms aren't dynamic. Even Dictionary itself is dynamic as it updates every time, how much more ever changing sports that new things are being implemented daily.

Now to the bolded, what makes things to be correct? Is it because Spy says so or when something is generally accepted. I believe it's the latter and once a word is generally accepted then it becomes correct. 10-30 yrs from now, if the word "modern FB or CB" changes to another word then that'll be the new correct word. All these terms deals with present and not about the future so don't worry about what the English word in future will be. Afterall there are many football terms that are used now that weren't used b4(e.g DLP) and there are some football terms that are used before that isn't used now (Sweeper defender)0

All coaches understand what modern FB or DM or CB is, most fans understand it, most fans and coaches and pundits and journalist use them. If for one reason or the other Spy decides not to use it or don't agree with it, who do you think is in the wrong?

If you understand why most fans and coaches understand and use those terms universally and even in discussions, then maybe you'll actually get where I'm coming from, then we can talk about Partey's role understandably

I accept that words are dynamic, but please don't claim them to be correct if they are not simply because people use them. For example, people refer to all northerners as Hausa or aboki, but that will never ever make it correct. So if someone tries to use the better term, don't tag the person as not dynamic.

Again, I am not against anyone using any terms, it's a personal thing, but people should not impose it just because it aids their arguments. There is a reason why inverted commas are used in writing.

Back to the main discuss, if Partey is a 'modern DM' as you put it and hence not a DM, doesn't that mean that I am correct?

REALretep:
A Facebook user and nurse, Chimdindu Onyenwe, narrated her experience with Peter Obi in 2010 when he was Governor of Anambra State during her Psychiatric posting at National Psychiatric Hospital, Nawfia, Anambra State.





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Remove the 'bitter' in your caption. It doesn't make sense.

Imagine being forced to join army and fed with agbado and cassava?

That's government kidnapping.

May Tinubu never happen to us after Buhari

LordviccoDaGuru:
Obituary is nothing, let's watch and see

Is PO the only candidate? You're scared... Really scared

Chinkoalhaji34:
Obi Pandora is a mad dog.

We will tame him at the polls next year and he won’t be able to bark.

Obituary fans will cry blood.

I can see that you are really panicking, it's clearly there in your words and emotions.

2023 is still months away and you are already wetting your sokoto.

But wait o...

SUFFER NOR DEY TIRE YOU?

Jodera:
of course, it's that extra that makes them Modern. That extra abilities and roles they're to do alongside their main roles makes them Modern and that's what you're neglecting. Extra, as it implies is having more than what you originally have, but I no know whether na "substitute" you dey think.

FB nowadays must be good at attack but that doesn't mean they don't defend or neglect their Defensive duties. But they need to have that attacking attributes. 20-30yrs ago it wasn't necessary as all was needed was just to defend.

GK nowadays tends to be good with feet as well as their normal roles of shot stopping. 20-30yrs ago it wasn't necessary as all a GK needs is just shot stopping or good with the hands.

Even strikers nowadays tends to become good linkup personnel and have good work rate as well as their normal roles which is to score goals. 20-30yrs ago, all you needed was a striker to just score goals .

Same with CB and DMs, etc.

For your information cafu and Carlos where the outlier then and wasnt the norm. Even de Lima Ronaldo was an outlier then in terms of striker role and never the norm.

I just showed you that the word modern FB exist, yet you still no wan gree. If with screenshots and direct quotes from a coach using that word yet you still dey turn amala with am, then I guess no need debating it further.

Let's just disagree to agree abi?

I believe I understand you. I also need you to understand me. I am not asking you to agree, but at least understand the point being made

People may say things but that doesn't mean they are correct.

For example, we can keep saying modern striker, modern midfielders etc. In ten years time how do you classify those players? Modern?

I have just shown you that your idea of a 'modern' player has been existing since time memorial. The fact that I mentioned three fullbacks from one country alone shows that it's the pattern of Brazil to always have an attack minded fullback and they promote it in their academy.

A striker remains a striker even in 50years coming, there's nothing like modern. We can only say, so and so abilities are now required for a striker or whatever because of the modern tactics/formation being used.

What's modern is not the player but the tactics or formation.

Jodera:
This is a coach using the word "Modern FB" just recently. That you don't believe in it doesn't make it not to exist.


No problem about the late response bro, it's nothing at all

From his second line you can see that you misconstrued his English.

Here modern connotes someone with extra abilities, just as I have said. He is a fullback. Simple. Just that he performs special roles in the team. In fact, there have been several fullbacks in the past with similar attributes eg Roberto Carlos, Cafu and Marcelo. Nothing like modern in the real sense.

Jodera:
So how would you define Modern GK
and Modern FB?

Or you don't believe in anything called modern FB and GK?

There's nothing like modern GK or FB or anything. A player is chosen to perform certain roles in the team play because of his abilities. You can talk of modern tactics or modern formations not modern midfielders or strikers.

Sorry for the late response. Today was a very busy day.

Jodera:
Well, like you said, we have different understanding of what Partey really is and I respect your stance tho.

There's a reason someone like Odegaard, Xhaka or Sambi can't play that role effectively as Partey and the reason is simple. They can hardly beat the press when crowded, they're not great in tackling or killing off attack before it becomes dangerous, they're not positionally sound and/or they lack presence in that role.

In summary, they're lacking that balance between defensive attributes and Attacking attributes as they seem more of attack than defence. It's the main reason I'll never subscribe to Sambi playing that role(for now) or Tielemans or Xhaka or Odegaard playing that role. And it's that balance I notice you're underrating as you're just focused on Only Partey's attacking quality.

It's also the main reason Ramsdale is a better choice than Leno for Arteta. Aside his ball playing qualities, he's very very good in Saves, aerial dominance (even more than Leno) and shot stopping. That's the balance he has.

Until I see someone who has close to that balance like Partey and fabinho (modern DMs), I'll continue to doubt anybody can take over that role seamlessly strictly because of his attacking attributes

It's interesting how you have been using 'modern' to qualify the 'DM' roles of Partey and Fabinho. I will give it to you for putting both in the same category because that exactly what it is.

You see them as DM but as modern. Meaning that if you take away the modern then they aren't DMs?

Take away the modern in your classification and they are just CMs or DLP as some may choose to refer them. Forget their big frame which confuses people, to think they are DM, they are just unique.
It was Pep who started it with Yaya Toure, then Bousquet, then Fernandinho, etc.
If someone like Pogba calms down, he will play that role very well too.

In summary, there's a reason you see them as modern DMs, but they are actually CM.

Jodera:
Lol, you're just jumbling different things up and confusing yourself.

For example, Neuer and Ramsdale starts build up and attack from the back, they beat press with good ball up top to Midfielders and sometimes go out of their 18 yard box to stop or intercept any counter. Does that stops them from being a keeper?? No. Afterall, the basics duty of goalkeeping which is to prevent ball from entering the net with the use of hands is still applicable.

Compare it to a DM whose basic duty is being focused on defensive attributes like Tackling and interceptions. It'll interest you to know that Partey who have the lowest appearances among all arsenal starting Midfielders have the highest tackles, interceptions and clearance amongst them. This is to show you that he was focused on defending. It's a big reason why we are hardly overran in Midfield once we concede possession or susceptible through counter. Another thing is that he didn't create any big chance for any of his teammates, something his advanced Midfielders had.

While I get that he's instrumental to our team's build-up from the back and help to transition ball forward, that doesn't shy him away from his main duties. It's same way it wouldn't shy Ramsdale, Ederson or Allison from using their hands to save ball even though they now have some other qualities not associated with keeper before now.

And that's the main reason I called Partey Modern DM as against DLP Pirlo is known for

I respect your thoughts. It's clear that we are viewing from different angles. Partey does both attacking and defending. I see him more as an attacker, you see him more as a defender.

The question then boils down to what Arteta sees him as. The answer to this question is final.

I think Arteta sees him as an attacker.

Arteta has always preferred a ball playing DLP in his midfield. Remember he once used Odegaard in that role as a replacement for Partey after his first injury. Though it didn't work out, but we could see his intentions.

Also, Arteta defends from the front. He uses his attackers to begin the press. That's part of why he moved Xhaka forwards from being part of a double pivot to an 8. He wants the presses from the front and not the back.

That means his role for Partey or anyone who sits there in the single pivot (eg Elneny/Lokonga) is for attacking primarily and defending secondarily.

Now the reason I mentioned Ramsdale is so that you will get that the preference for Ramsdale (as against Leno) is not for his goalkeeping abilities but his ball distribution. If it's about goalkeeping only, Leno would be clearly no 1.

seunmsg:
Can’t you obituaries stop crying? Is this the first time Reno is attacking someone? He has been attacking Tinubu and calling him names almost daily since 2015 and folks like the OP supported him. So, what’s all the noise about again? What’s wrong in attacking Peter Obi Pandora? Must everybody support the Pandora thief?

Seun's messenger, I have observed that you have been shouting 'Pandora' upandan and I'm pretty sure you have no iota of what it means or implies.

For the purpose of educating you, Peter Obi was not indicted, it was his investments that were simply made public. There was no criminal activity discovered in all his dealings.

Arsenal have done the right thing making Wilshere the U18s coach. There is no one closer to the club coming from the back of being one with great talents, potentials, expectations and hopes but eventually failed. Best decision.

Jodera:
Who is the last line of Midfield just before you face the defence in our team?

Your answer is Partey, but note that being the last doesn't necessarily mean part of the defence. The job roles for the last men can be different.

*Pirlo was the last man in the Juventus of those days but he is not there for defending.

*Neuer is a GK but he is the sweeper in B Munich

Ramsdale is a GK but he initiates attacks for Arsenal.

Partey being the last man in midfield doesn't mean his role is defending. His role in the team is to necessitate buildup. That does not take away having to defend when need be, but his role is attacking and breaking press. You saw his pass to Nketiah during the friendly? That's what he is there for.

In regards to the topic of discussion, Savic can play that role also if he joins and Partey will not be available. Though, ideally he should play further up as an 8, replacing Xhaka is the first eleven.

Jodera:
Na only you know that one.

You can as well call Gabriel a attacker after all he scored 5goals like Martinelli, Odegaard and Nketiah, na you sabi

It's the position a player plays that matters not what you 'know'...

Na tree wey gather delicious fruits children dey throw stones at.

#PeterObiForPresident2023

Keeping throwing stones...

Bad governance will always bite everyone including those responsible. Ekweremadu is now suffering for the failure of the government he has been part of over the years to create a sustainable health care system. He thinks he can run to UK for surgery and so does not need one in Nigeria. Now it has choked him and his family. A sick and dying daughter plus wife in cell. Good riddance.

Jodera:
Lol .. that's the cause of my concern then

I meant Partey

Jodera:
Can savic play DM cos he is a b2b attacking player
Abi we'll revert back to Xhaka DM again?

To be honest, I don't see Savic covering any Partey anything. I just hope Partey allegations are false else we should look into a competent person

He is not a DM

ovoP:
partey been guilty will take years before dey prove it in court..

Greenwood is still under contract in United.

You are right about this. Hough depending on the evidence available currently, he could be suspended or have his contract terminated.

Jodera:
Just when I thought this is the season Nketiah will be unleashed with goals because of Partey's presence. I was thinking if he could score 5 goals in 8 matches when Partey wasn't around and we weren't so dominant, how would he be when finally Partey is back. Gabriel Jesus is another player that I was really happy for too.

Now, allegedly, Partey village People don go dial him number.

If we get Savic he will cover well. But I sincerely hope the allegations are false, and we will have both.

mostob:
Na why Edu dey go for Savic o. Second bid of 65m officially tendered after the first one was rejected.

After I saw those Partey rumours, I weak because the way we were chasing Savic so fast, they may not play together. If Partey is guilty, Arsenal will terminate his contract.

Arsenal to bid 55m for Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio. The bid is expected to meet the players valuation and a deal sealed in the coming days.

If we sign this guy, we will compete for the PL title. No need to get another RW as Vieira will compete with Saka.

We will only need to secure Martinez and the team is set.

helinues:
One is Obi dient

One is presi dent

Saying this is childish is an insult to children.

Please for the sake of the unborn generation, have sense.

Jodera:
True sha. Anybody aside Pepe for now till the person worst pass Pepe. Tbh I can't wait for Pepe to just leave arsenal make we see road small. If Nelson can deputy Saka then cool.

Norton cuffy, only heard of him once and that's when Ro.land17 was highlighting our youngsters. I read he's really good and if so, make them dey integrate them small small even if na Carling. The person wey I wan see for group stage Europa na dat Omari boy. I Heard his good.

We have a lot of youngsters that need introduction into first team action. Let them form the third core of our team. Most of them featured in the friendly win over Ipswich

ObaIgwe1:
You are right. Same thing is happening to Ajax... The big clubs are raiding their stars including their manager

The big clubs especially in England, Spain and Italy earn their money through gate fees, TV rights, and selling of endorsement merchandise, or sponsorship. The smaller clubs and clubs in other European countries earn through sale of players.

Note that the big clubs need big players to sell their sponsorship deals and merchandise and to drag people to stadium, whereas the small clubs just want to service the big clubs and balance their books.

ObaIgwe1:
But Porto is really making money o, finding cheap good prospects and turning them to MMM (Money Making Machines)

Luis Díaz (25): To Liverpool for €47M.
Fábio Vieira (22): To Arsenal for €35M.
Vitinha (22): To PSG for €41M.

One would wonder why clubs like Arsenal can't do the same. But in reality we do.

Porto can only balance their books through player sales, hence they look for prospects and deliberately groom them to be sold to bigger clubs. Big clubs like Arsenal look for prospects that would serve them. Both succeed.

Imagine if Arsenal has to put up Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Nketiah, for sale? One would feel we would make huge money, but these are just a selection of the best prospects that have managed to reach first team.

Porto will still go around Europe and S America to hunt for fresh talents. 2 out of 10 make it per season. So it's the same.

ObaIgwe1:
Saw these somewhere

Anelka was Arsene's original career masterpiece. His decision to join R Mardrid against the advice of Wenger ended that plan. Anelka would have been Arsenal's greatest player even with Henry.

iamoyindamola:
As in meself they think he should be given opportunity

Even if Arteta had said he didn't want him, at least he told him privately. Torriera coming out publicly with this rubbish is gross indiscipline and total lack of regard.

Later we will blame Arteta for highhandedness. But these nonsense shouldn't be associated with our club. The club is bigger than any player.

If he likes let him become second Verrati, we don't want him.

The funny part be say, no one wants him even his Fiorentina that he thought he shined don't want him. Shame to him.

Roland17:
Him matter don tire me sef wen dey always advocate for am

Don't worry. Arteta is very good at handling this kind of players.

mostob:
Be like na inside Benin city Patino take do his own vacation. His new stature be like that of someone wey dey chop Akpu steadily...

By the way, na Liverpool sign Nunez, na London colney he dey train..

Your 'Nunez' is our Flores. Very nice future winger.

plaindealer:
They want him in the USA, but American government and their diplomats runs in and out Bourdilorn all the time to pay homage to Asiwaju of the Universe..


Ipobs no dey gree collect sense sha..lol

Please I want to learn.

Someone told me he was wanted. Kindly explain why the drug rumours