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diamond68:
these are secrets. Am not saying commit crime. You just try to increase your spiritual power and wealth will come .

No you have no spiritual power neither does any man, you are being decieved by the devil. The only true power there is that of Jesus christ, the ones the devil gives is to destroy you.

diamond68:
So a celestial soul is downloaded into a flesh , basically imprisoned in a flesh where it then starts to feel pain and then is subject to all kinds of pain and hardship and torture and afflictions. It feels the pains of lack and violence and disease and struggles etc. also has to contend with the insatiable desires of this demon called the flesh that walk it into all kinds of painful situations just to get its satisfaction and desires met. It’s like being trapped in hell. The body is the perfect hell. The flesh is a component of the biblical hell.

This is Gnostism an ancient heresy.

diamond68:
to be rich in the mind and poor physically is still hell. You are still in invisible shackles. Money is freedom. Lack of money is bondage 😆🤷🏽‍♂️

This is one of the philosophy that promotes vices in society, such as human rituals, corruption , fraud the lists are endless.
The problem of the world are the doctrines that has being sold to humans by the devils. That is how they control humans by selling them these doctrines.

UncleAyo:
I personally believe that death marks the end of conscious existence. Once the brain ceases to function, all experiences, thoughts, and awareness also come to an end. The cessation of brain activity, as observed in medical and scientific contexts, supports the conclusion that consciousness is inextricably tied to the physical brain. As such, no brain activity means no self-awareness or ability to experience anything beyond death.

The phenomenon of death is just like our state of nonexistence before birth. Before being conceived, one had no consciousness, no memory, and no self-awareness. Death is a return to that state of non-being. It is likened to a dreamless sleep or the absence of experience altogether.

There is no empirical evidence to support the existence of an afterlife, reincarnation, or any continuation of individual consciousness. Instead, life is a finite experience bound by the laws of biology and physics, so it is important you live your life to the fullest with the understanding that that is the only existence you have.

Somebody should please help me with evidence of afterlife. If possible, a video evidence that can be empirically examined.


_{Sterope (my good friend) your contribution will also be great here.}

If life is a product of random mindless atoms bumping on each other, then life ultimately has no meaning, good and evil are just figment of imagination, heck what does imagination even mean. Rape, murder, stealing etc are matter of taste, love is just a product of chemical reaction, why punish a set of atoms for crimes. The atheistic world view ultimate lead to despair, chaos and nihilism, atheists cannot successfully live out their world view.

gohf:
Teaching us how to pray, Jesus said, Holy is your name. Not Holy is my name or the name. God's name is sanctified, is hallowed, Matthew 6:9

What does it mean to pray? It means to call upon the name of the Lord.

The first time we come across this in the bible is in Gen.4.26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time men began to call on the name of the LORD.

That means from the beginning there were those who called upon God, so when God said to Moses that he didn't reveal himself or appear by his name YHVH to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It means there is a purpose by which God reveals himself in that name and there was no need to do so for Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. And I believe that purpose is salvation.

God reveals himself as YHVH to save the people of Israel from bondage, and I believe from Enosh, people called on the name to be saved. With this understanding this brings us to the book of Romans and what is written in chapter 10.

God is a Trinity of persons,
The father , Son and Holy Spirit are One God.

gohf:
The question is, is Jesus Yahweh/JHVH?

Now though some go from believing that Jesus is a god to believing that Jesus is God and even as far as proclaim that Jesus is Jehovah, NONE of the first true apostles nor Christ Jesus himself proclaims that Jesus is Jehovah. So the simple answer is NO. Jesus is NOT Jehovah and he is NOT Yahweh, he is NOT YHVH.

One of the basis of the believe that Jesus is God is that he says or uses the phrase, "I AM" which was recorded in Greek eimi, like the example from John 8:58 before Abraham was, I am. And because "I am" is seen as the name of God they assume that well Jesus says "I am" so Jesus is Jehovah God.

The issue with this is that, does it mean every usage of "I am" means "God" or does it mean "Jehovah" but we know that is not true so why is the case different here.
Well when God introduced Himself to Moses He said, I am that I am, but God didn't stop there in Exodus 3:13-15, but goes on and says, tell them I am Jehovah God, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob. Not three gods but one and the same God, which Jesus never claimed to be, Jesus only said I existed before Abraham and that's the truth.

If "I am" was God's name, in Exod.6.3, God would have said, "I am" but he said, "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, though I did not reveal my name, YHVH, to them."

Personally I believe it's sad that due to misunderstood the third commandments many Jews didn't say the name of God and even banned it from being said but that doesn't mean Jesus took a roundabout part of proclaiming that he is YHVH- Jehovah.

In that same chapter 8 of John
John.8.54 Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.

Who do the Jews claim is their God, it's YHVH. Now in Hebrew yod is Y or J in English and waw or vav is W or V. So YHWH or JHVH is the same I want us to understand that.

The question is, is Jesus YHVH? Jesus means Jehovah is salvation which is also Joshua, when translated directed from Hebrew and Jesus when translated from Greek. Now neither his name, be it spelling or meaning, is YHVH, Jehovah. So why then do people believe that Jesus is Jehovah?

Let's go into some of their "scripturally proofs" that make some believe that Jesus is Jehovah?

Jesus is Jehovah or yahweh, He is Almighty God.

UncleAyo:
Believers in God's existence usually site the complexity of nature (e.g the structure of the eyes) as evidence (of Intelligent Design ID) to show that there must be a god who plan, design and create this intricate (organs) existence forms.

Let agree for a minute that truly, those complex structures cannot be arrive at with just evolutionary explanations.

The God who create these complex form must be himself very very very complex himself and not happen just by chance. My Question Is, Who Created God?

Imagine how complex the one that created the sun and stars will be.

_{Mr. sterope (my good friend), your contributions will also be great here. You're invited.}

I want to learn ni o. Somebody should please educate me.

That is a foolish question how can you ask who created a being that is eternal.

gohf:
o it was not is 😁👍

That is the right word it does not mean he is no longer God.
God does not change.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

budaatum:
This is 2025, and not some dark age in the 6th-7th AD!

Evolve your mind please.

So in your deluded mind, keeping the female children for yourself means keeping them for sex?

gohf:
sir steep where is your response to this o 😊

John 1:1 said the word was God, that settles it.

Truthseeker10:
So where did you get your GOD in each person from?

It is used as an explanation of who God is.

gohf:
John.3.34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

1. So God gave God to God without measure? 😏

And when God was his second person he died and gave himself back to his first person God so that his third person can come.

God is not changing to different persons rather God has, is and will always be three persons.

2. So God changed Himself to three forms or He was always three forms. If He was always three forms so then why did He say only He is God? Why is God not differentiated anywhere in scripture as God the Father, God the Spirit why did He only reveal Himself has One God and even gave commandments in line with thay revelation?

So who is talking of forms of God.
When God says he only is God it is with respect to other gods.
The only true God is the father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Truthseeker10:
Does the Diagram show God in each person or it shows that God is Three persons simultaneously ?

It shows that God is three persons simultaneously.

Truthseeker10:
Oga....From the diagram, how can you explaim what the word 'GOD' mean? God is what according to the diagram?

God is a being or an essence that is tri personal. God in each person is completely God in every way.

gohf:
it's only you that understands english, infact you by yourself is dictionary.
But somehow you don't even understand how you went from writing godhood to personhod that is why you are responding like this because if you did and this is your response then you are deceiving yourself.

So your answer to the question , "when the man is a judge is he also teaching in the classroom, can he be all three at the same time? Is that God can be three people at the same time yes or no. Don't be cunny at least be straightforward for once.

God is three persons at the same time.

Truthseeker10:
.so you don't know what the word 'GOD' is made up of in the diagram?

In the diagram below it says each person is God not part of God but fully God.

Truthseeker10:
What does the diagram say form God?

Where does it talk about forming God?

gohf:
the question is, when the man is a judge is he also teaching in the classroom, can he be all three at the same time?


You guys have gone from Godhood to personhod. Okay so they are all the same person?
Tagging: Truthseeker10

That is why is God is God, he is beyond man.


Gone from Godhood to personhood you cannot understand English?
Godhood- the state of being God
Personhood- the state of being a person.

Truthseeker10:
I never said the father is the son.

how many persons form the one word 'GOD' according to the diagram?

Does the diagram tell you it is the persons that forms God?

Truthseeker10:
So according to the diagram, The father, the son, and the Holy Spirit do not make up one word 'God'? If yes, what makes up the one word 'GOD' that is in the middle of the diagram?

The diagram is clear, it says that God is the father, God is the Son and God is the holy ghost but however the father is not the Son neither the Son the holy ghost. Like saying the man is the teacher, judge, and father but father is not the same as teacher neither the same as judge. In the case of Trinity we are not talking of positions or offices but rather personhood.

Truthseeker10:
What is the meaning of the word 'GOD' that is in the middle of the diagram?

How many persons combine to form the word one 'GOD' in the middle of the diagram?

you are still not getting it, if a Man is a doctor, a father and a teacher does that mean doctor, father and teacher are what makes up that man? I am not saying that is what what the Trinity is, but just as you cannot say a man that is in different positions or offices is made up of those office or position so also, the father, Son, and holy spirit are persond of the one God.

Truthseeker10:
The diagram is clear. GOD consist of three Persons (the Father, the son, the holy spirit) simultaneously. The three persons combine simultaneously to form the word 'GOD'. The diagram shows that there cannot be a 'GOD' without the three persons combining.

No, the did not say that the father, Son and Holy Spirit are parts of God. Rather the father is God, the Spirit is God and the Son is God.

Truthseeker10:
Oga look at the diagram again. THE word GOD refers to three persons(The Father, the son, the holy spirit), while the three persons refer to one word 'GOD'. YOU cannot say that the FATHER IS 'GOD' in Isolation of the Son and the Holy Spirit because they are partakers of that word 'GOD'.

signs, you get it all wrong, persons do not mean parts of God.
It is not forms of God or parts of God.

Truthseeker10:
The diagram clearly shows the meaning of the word GOD. The word GOD cannot exist without the combination of three persons(father, son, holy spirit).

Nope it says no such thing.

MaxInDHouse:
Didn't Jesus also say he REFLECTS the light of his father? John 5:30

John 5: 30 say no such thing.

Truthseeker10:
There is nothing to read slowly about.
Below in the screenshot is the diagram of the Trinity.
You can clearly see that three separate persons(The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit) Have one essence (God) in the middle of the diagram.

So how can John 1:1 tell you that GOD(essence) in the middle of the diagram is with THE GOD(essence) also in the middle of the diagram. Does that not Show that the essence Of GOD is separate from the ESSENCE of THE GOD? So why are you arguing that GOD and THE GOD have the same essence or nature?

In that diagram you are seeing one God at the middle are you not?
So where does the three God essences come from?
God is one but shared by three persons, so each person could properly be called God.
The father is God, The Son is God and The Holy Spirit is God all have same essence, they are same being buy different persons.

MaxInDHouse:
You are the LIGHT! Matthew 5:14

Are Jesus' disciples Gods?

Jesus is the true light. Jesus' disciples reflect the light of christ.

gohf:
Even the person that wrote ho theos phos estin didn't declare that Jesus is God, you obviously don't and refuse to know nor learn the difference between theon and theos

John said God is light.

Of course I knew you would leave everything I wrote and mention 1 John 1:5 even without looking at the context of what John was writing but he isn't the first person to refer to God has light
Ps.84.11 - For the LORD God is our light and protector. He gives us grace and glory. No good thing will the LORD withhold from those who do what is right.
Note that other versions may use God is a sun and shield and maybe people like you then would read that and start bowing to the sun. Forgetting the very commandments of God.

You get plenty wahalla, so God is light, you are the one that would take "God is the sun" literally.

Do you understand this verse in Revelations
Rev.21.23 - And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light.

It only goes to show that Jesus is God.

2Cor.4.6 - For God, who said, "Let there be light in the darkness," has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ.

you omitted where he said God shined

Now this is where you shot yourself in the foot, because you imagined to yourself that I didn't know 1 John 1:5, you are talking about traps and reflectors when you are this blind

Listen, did you forget Jesus said in Matt.5.14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

so there isn't just three gods but at least more than four, well if we count the seven spirits of God plus at least 144,000 Hebrews there's at least according to your logic 144,009 God's 😀😁

That is to your confusion, I asked you who is Jesus then you quoted passages that said Jesus is the light forgetting that God is also called light and even Christians called light, you ended up contradicting yourself.

gohf:
Even the person that wrote ho theos phos estin didn't declare that Jesus is God, you obviously don't and refuse to know nor learn the difference between theon and theos

John said God is light, that is he describing who God is, meaning whoever can be described as light is God.

Of course I knew you would leave everything I wrote and mention 1 John 1:5 even without looking at the context of what John was writing but he isn't the first person to refer to God has light
Ps.84.11 - For the LORD God is our light and protector. He gives us grace and glory. No good thing will the LORD withhold from those who do what is right.
Note that other versions may use God is a sun and shield and maybe people like you then would read that and start bowing to the sun. Forgetting the very commandments of God.

You get plenty wahalla, so God is light, you are the one that would take "God is the sun" literally.

Do you understand this verse in Revelations
Rev.21.23 - And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light.

It only goes to show that Jesus is God.

2Cor.4.6 - For God, who said, "Let there be light in the darkness," has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ.

you omitted where he said God shined

Now this is where you shot yourself in the foot, because you imagined to yourself that I didn't know 1 John 1:5, you are talking about traps and reflectors when you are this blind

Listen, did you forget Jesus said in Matt.5.14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

so there isn't just three gods but at least more than four, well if we count the seven spirits of God plus at least 144,000 Hebrews there's at least according to your logic 144,009 God's 😀😁

That is to your confusion, I asked you who is Jesus then you quoted passages that said Jesus is the light forgetting that God is also called light and even Christians called light, you ended up contradicting yourself.

gohf:
When agents of darkness listen to God's word so as to readjust their lies, it's amazing how instead of repeating they bury themselves deeper into their deception. What is coming out of you just defiles you continually

I see you have changed it from WAS God to is God

So do you now agree that John said Jesus was God?

Truthseeker10:
So Is THE GOD and GOD according to the text the same God or different God?


So is GOD nature one and the same with THE GOD nature? If yes, Explain John 1:18 use of the Word GOD.

you should go back to my previous reply and then read slowly.

Nachmonides:
I think the best thing is to hear what they have to say about John 1:1-14


Let's hear their own conclusion from reading the verses.

They are merely going to dance around it ad refuse to admit their inconsitence.