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What body of christ is threatened? The pentecostal/ charisamatic movement is a big mess just like the Roman Catholicism, their problem began when they started exalting human beings, spiritual experiences above or on the same level with the scripture.
They are now preaching gnostic, and new age religion and all other unbiblical nonsense.
Imagine miracle money, and what's not.

Keep reading the bible, I pray God arrest you and bring you to Jesus christ.

While Jesus was addressing the fruit Paul addressed what lead to the fruit.
God has to first chose and call you before you can respond, this response is faith in Jesus christ which in turn leads to spiritual transformation which again leads to obedience to Jesus and at the end eternal life.

Salvation is by faith through Jesus christ, however salvation leads to a change of life. This change of life is the obedience to the Lord Jesus out of Love and faith in him.

Without being saved by grace through faith in Jesus christ you cannot obey Jesus hence those calling Jesus Lord, Lord without obeying him are means they were not saved (which is by grace through faith in Jesus).

AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
As you go, preach this message: ‘ The kingdom of heaven is near.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.” (Matthew 10: 7- 8 )

Jesus simply forbids collecting wages for preaching the Gospel!

Paul says:
Elders who lead effectively are worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 18For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and, “The worker is worthy of his wages.” (1 Timothy 5:17-18)

Paul says in another verse:
If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much for us to reap a material harvest from you? (1 Corinthians 9 :11)

Paul's own is to collect them wages, harvest, money, Kudi, ego,... !!!

To pay wages or not to pay?

Two very different instances, Jesus is talking of evangelism why Paul is talking of church administration and Paul was not literally talking of wages but that that those who labour in the church should be taken care of.

MANIFINN:
PLEASE I NEED ASSISTANCE. IM STRUGGLING WITH ALOT OF CHALLENGES
EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE GOD IS SILENT ABOUT ME
THERES NO PRAYER IVE NOT PRAYED....... INFACT IVE BEEN TO SEVERAL MOUNTAINS BUT THE SITUATION STILL LOOKS LIKE NOTHING IS HAPPENNING....

PLS IF GOD TOUCHES YOUR HEART WHILE READING THIS, JUST PRAY FOR ME AND GIVE ME AN ENCOURAGING VERSE THAT CAN UPLIFT MY SPIRIT BECAUSE I REALLY NEED IT RIGHT NOW

pray with psalm 31, sincerely pour your heart unto God.
I pray for you, The Lord will deliver you from affliction in Jesus name.
If you are commiting sin you have to repent and ask God to forgive you.

Youareforgiven:
Being filled is so amazing... I get filled up every now and then, especially when I am praising or meditating on the truth of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. His gentle breeze with surround me and His annoiting keeps dropping on me even as I type this.

Quenching the Holy Spirit is we going back to works, like trying to get justification through our obedience.

Good one keep it up.

Yes you only receieve the Holy Spirit once, but being filled with the holy Spirit is the level the power of the holy Spirit works through you, you can even quench the Spirit but however he does not leave but his working power through you diminishes.

What rubbish are all these? From miracle money, to all the nonsense.The penticostal/charismatic/ new apostolic reformation are a mess due to disregard for the bible and elevation of men and experiences (miracles, visions, tongue (fake), wealth, so called anointing etc) They bring the name of the Lord Jesus christ into disrepute.
Nonsense.
Where is the honor and fear of God in these guys?

Malachi 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

And yet you guys are borrowing $500 million, enslaving the nation more.

Boomark:
As far as scripture is concern, no one can oppose what I write and survive the opposition. I stand on the truth.
I am still preparing something comprehensive against trinity. Trinity doctrine is antichrist. I can see many people who are still confused.

Steep said he believes in trinity but doesn't believe the Holy Spirit is God. Anything that brings confusion is of the devil. To know the truth about God, you must start by accepting what Jesus said and every other thing will fall in place.

I can see the antichrist people gossiping about me. MightySparrow, achorladey, and co. Those that are so afraid of my kajad questions.

I am Boom-ark, the slayer of the antichrist and false teachers.

For you info steep believes the Holy Spirit is God.
Non of you can disprove the Trinity, you don't even understand what it is in the first place.
You think the trinity means the father, Son and Spirit are separate Gods. No, scripture declares the Son as God, the Spirit as God and the father as God same God not Gods.

For example 1 Timothy 6:15-16 refers to the father as the king of kings and Lord of lords but you also forgot that revelation 19 declares the Son as the King of kings and the Lord of lord. This becomes a contradiction to you but not to trinitarians like myself because we already know that the father Son and Spirit are one God.

Petalss:
The all-knowing Steep. You realized that I joined the conversation without fully following it. Even though I made a joke about it, that doesn't qualify you to call anyone a fool.


In Matthew 5:22, Jesus established the rule. But in Luke 24:25, did He break it?

exactly and you decided to make fun of the holy Spirit. Only a fool would make fun of God.
Jesus did not brake his rule, Jesus was speaking against unrighteous anger and words spoken out of unrighteous anger.

Petalss:
Matthew 5:22. In this passage, Jesus says:

*"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire."* (ESV)

that is because you are truly a fool, only a fool will will make a careless statement about God.
You jumped into a conversation without knowing what was being discussed to make fun of it.
For your infomation even Jesus call people fools.
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Kingsempires:
I wonder were the person from come

He thought that they are cracking jokes here

He is a fool.

Petalss:
The third person will be fanning the two seated on the throne.

are you ok?

Michael547:
So where did Jesus identify himself as Jehovah if Psalms 83:18 is referring to the father?

Why don't you think That the Jehovah in Psalms 83:18 is the Holy Spirit or Jesus?

Jesus identified as the "I AM" which is the way Jehoavh Identifies himself.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus is seating on the father's right hand.

StillDtruth:
I don't understand, is One, Two?

three but two persons are seated on the throne

StillDtruth:
What do you mean same God for we are seeing 2 distinct Persons?

one God but distinct persons.

How does evil overcomes someone?
And according to this scripture how do you overcome evil?

Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Contrary to what many people belief that when you are hurt you have to become more brutal and ruthless.

They believe because the economy is bad, government is corrupt, society is immoral and corrupt then they have to be wicked and heartless too, to be able to survive.

By doing this they become overcome of evil.
Fire is not quenched by adding more fire, neither darkness is cleared by totally removing light.

To clear darkness you shine the light, to overcome evil use good,
God is the love and goodness itself, we cannot truly do good or love if God is not in us.
Jesus christ declares
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus christ is the access, the door to God, without him we cannot have God.
To overcome evil you need the forgiveness, holiness and righteousness of Jesus the Messiah.
Accept the Messiah today and become an overcomer.




1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Kingsempires:
Thanks for your contribution at list you and maxinhouse has tryed alot; not like other stupid person were come here come insult me because they don't have anything to say

Yea I hope it helps, you can also pray for God to reveal it to you in the scriptures.

StillDtruth:
This is where you are in error for Revelation shows us 2 People on the Throne., The King and The Lamb, His Son at His Right Hand.

Yes there are two persons on the throne but however they are same God.

Sand2022:
As a JW, one teaching I was opposed to was the trinitarian doctrine. I cannot see how Jesus can be God. I feel they are distinct persons and that Jehovah is the only God. That only Jehovah should be worshipped. When I became a JW, I was further told the meaning of Trinity, and I came to have more hatred for the doctrine. From what the witnesses taught me, I told myself that I didn't even believe this trinity even while I was in the church. Three persons in one God is contradictory to me.

I knew the proves the witnesses have against Trinity. As an elder I taught this from the platform then. But recently, I revisited that doctrine. This time through a personal scriptural analysis to see what the Bible has to say. But before I tell you what I found out scripturally, let us first look at the meaning of Trinity which for many years I never knew.

I found out that Trinity doesn't mean three persons inside one God. Rather three persons that has one Nature. The nature aspect is what I had missed for many years. I never understood it that way before.

Their are three persons, but they have one nature. From what I understand, when we think about God, we mean the creator of heaven and earth, MOST importantly, when we think of God, we mean our Deity. Now what trinitarians are saying is that there are more than one persons who match that description, but all of them possess the same features we have in mind when we say God. In other words they have the same Nature, but they are not one person.


Let's say it another way. When you say Human. You obviously know that the feature of humankind is not possessed by just one person. There are many, but they all have the same human features. So when you think about God, you are thinking about a nature. In that nature are three persons that possess it.

This is a huge game changer in my Trinity journey. You may have noticed that I have avoided Trinity subject in this board. This is deliberate. Prior to this time, I never believed that doctrine. And for some time, I delved into it, and started to see things differently. My approach to this subject might be different from what you have ever heard before on this subject because I did my study, and i also tried to view the subject from a JW perspective and saw that even from JW teaching, you cant run away from this one nature shared by the three, especially the two, father and Son.

In my part 2 of this trinity series, We will start from John 1:1. Let's trace Jesus origin once more. Check in next week Thursday.

you are right God is a nature or a being who exist in three individuals. In other words the same God who is the Father is the same God who is the Son but a different person and the same God who is the Holy Spirit who is a different person from the Father and Son.

Sand2022:
This is what I will gradually do. I have started with a post that explained what the Trinity really means. Many misunderstand the concept of Trinity. I did misunderstand it for years. See the explanation here https://www.nairaland.com/8185855/jw-pimo-reconsiders-trinity-doctrine

Trinity basically means three persons that possess one nature. That's all.

Within the three are roles. One serve as the Father, another Son and another Holy Spirit. When you think of God, it's as if you think of say Humankind - a Nature. Click the link to read more.

When God says He is one, it means the same thing when Jesus says I and the Father are one. The reference is to their nature. They are one because there is no other person possessing their nature.

I don't have my bible close, so don't pick on the bible reference.

For example at Gen 1:26, God says "Let US create man in our image". This shows plurality. However, when you read forward, the bible then says, 'God created the man in HIS image". Previously, God says let us, but after the bible says, God, singular, created them male and female. This means that the word " God" there stands for a nature consisting of others. For centuries, God didn't tell us how many make up the Godhead until the gospel age.

When Jesus came, we now see him saying he is one with the Father, that if you see him, you have seen the Father. Later we see that Jesus was infact the one who created all things. Now the pieces start to gather as to the US at Gen 1:26.

I will gradually expand what I personally saw during my research into this topic. Just stay tuned. But I will not be posting it in this thread, you may want to follow the link I shared above to get updated.

you rightly explained it.
Except that, as we are different human beings or separate human beings but God is just one being but three in his personal self consciousness.

bloodofthelamb:
Why so much unbelief?
1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in words, but in power.

The reason there is so much Atheist today is because we that claimed to believe have not been showing working. We only talk and talk but no power. How can we even show workings and power when we don't have it? How can we have it when we are believing the wrong message today. Our wrong believe is robbing us of the power of God working through us. Our opening scripture made us to understand that the kingdom of God is not in mere cho cho, but in power.

One thing that was common with the earliest apostle is that they showed working and power. Apostle Paul showed verifiable power that the unbeliever wanted to even commit blasphemy by worshipping him as a god (Acts 14:11-13). Peter did same and all who believe the right messages. Jesus promised us that we can show power and even greater power that he did while on earth(John 14:12). Jesus wasn't blabbing when he said this because he knows the same power he has will come up on us when we believe in Him and we will be able to do this things effortlessly. We have left the message that give this kind of power and turn to motivational speaker on the pulpit. But I thank the Lord Jesus whom through His death, I now have the life of God now, that the true message is being revived now all over the world. Friends in redemption of Jesus Christ, the power of God is real more than the air we breathe.

If you are reading this now and you are suffering from any kind of sickness and disease in your body. I declare by the power of God upon my life and in the name of Jesus our redeemer be healed now. It is done.

please, leave your testimony on the comment section so that through your testimony many will come to believe. Don't be stingy. Freely you have received, freely you also give. Glory to Jesus Christ my kinsman redeemer now and forever, Amen.

No, it is not lack of power, it is spiritual blindness.

Janosky:
Psalm 103:20 = John 5:43
No Sir, according to Psalm 103:20.
Angels came to the earth in the name of Yahweh to carry out the God given assignment.
The same manner Jesus Christ carried out Yahweh's assignment @ John 14:24 & John 5:43 in the name of Yahweh his Father.

Angels carried out assignments for Jehovah but they were not called Jehovah.
Can you mention anywhere in the scripture where Jesus mention the name Jehovah or yahweh apart from when he quoted scripture?

Your Trinitarian mentors confessed that Jesus Christ is that angel of Yahweh (the LORD) @ Genesis 16:7. Amplified Bible. Geneva Bible 1599.

According to jw.org Jehovah can become anything to fulfill his plans.
God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes, and he can cause to happen whatever is required with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.

Isaiah 48:16, is the prophet Isaiah a Jew?
Yes.
Did Isaiah nor any Jew claimed that the God of Israel & another spirit together "sent me" @ Isaiah 48:16?
No !!!

Oga,you are just desperate to contradict Isaiah prophecy fulfilled @Matthew 12:15-18.
Oga Steep,Isaiah 6:6-8 is in your own Bible
Scriptures interpret scriptures but Trinitarians use scriptures to contradict scriptures.

John 5:44

New International Version
How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

New Living Translation
No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.

English Standard Version
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

The word "ONLY God" is the game changer.

The Supreme Being in heaven is the ONLY God. John5:44

It is there in Isaiah, yahweh and his Spirit sent yahweh.
Yea the supreme being in heaven is the only true God and he is he father, Son and Spirit.

Michael547:
So who is the JEHOVAH in Psalms 83:18 in the screenshot below and who is the one speaking in John 14:28? How do we connect the two verses?

Jehovah in psalm 83:18 is the father but again David identified his Lord as Jehovah.
Psalms 16:2 O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;

Janosky:
Psalm 83:18 says NO in capital letters.

John 5:44 , Jesus Christ says NO in capital letters.

Psalm 83:18 is a prophecy about the future when Jesus his Lord will sit at Jehovah's right hand.
Who is David Lord?
Psalms 16:2 O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;
Jehovah is David's Lord.

Janosky:
Did your own Bible says that Israel is one being?
Israel personified as "He", doesn't support trinity.


When the Yahweh went to Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy it, it was reported that Yahweh called down fire from yahweh out of heaven, meaning yahweh on earth called down fire from yahweh in heaven.
There is a particular entity called "The Angel of the Lord" in the old testament, he his God, he speaks as yahweh and at the say time he is distinguished from yahweh.
In Isaiah 48:16, the person taking is God speaking but he distinguished himself from the Lord God and the Spirit.
Note the Spirit is placed on the same personhood with the Lord God but yet the spirit is distinct from the Lord God.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

From this verses it is clear that they are three persons
1. Is the God that is speaking
2. The Lord God that is sending God
3. The spirit of God who is also sending God along with the Lord God.
All three are the same God but different persons.
The Trinity is in the old testament right from Genesis 1.

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The prophet Isaiah is a Jew,he never claimed that the God of Israel & another spirit together "sent me".
You are just desperate to contradict Isaiah prophecy fulfilled @Matthew 12:15-18.
Oga Steep,Isaiah 6:6-8 is in your own Bible
Scriptures interpret scriptures but Trinitarians use scriptures to contradict scriptures.

John 5:44

New International Version
How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

New Living Translation
No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.

English Standard Version
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

The word "ONLY God" is the game changer.

The Supreme Being in heaven is the ONLY God. John

of cause the father is the only true God as against other gods but the Son and the Spirit are not other gods but same God with the Father.

Michael547:
Is Jehovah and Jesus the same person?

Jehovah is a name shared by all three persons of the God head, in other words yahweh is a multipersonal being and the particular person that became Jesus is yahweh the word.

Janosky:

Oga Steep, your own Bible did not say that the Most High Yahweh is "US." Not in Genesis.
"Himself" can't be 3 distinct persons you are worshipping, according to your doctrine.

now jws hypocrisy is exposed.
When God is called a "him" it means God is one person, but when the Spirit is called a "him" then it is not a person.
By the way Israel is referred to as "himself" even though there are many persons that comprises Israel.
The father is the only true God, this statement separates the father from other gods Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not other gods but same God with the Father.

Janosky:

Oga Steep, your own Bible did not say that the Most High Yahweh is "US." Not in Genesis.
"Himself" can't be 3 distinct persons you are worshipping, according to your doctrine.

Gen 1 vv 26

Michael547:
Since they are three persons, what are their names?

Jehovah

Kingsempires:
You made good point here,so my question is how do you see this verses; mat 26;39,mark10:17-18,john 5;30,44, mark12;29-34,john 17:3. mulsim sees this verses I wrote to be Jesus submitting to God almighty

Yes Jesus submitted to the father, the purpose of Jesus coming is to be that perfect servant who offers himself as sacrifice for the salvation of the world, see this scripture below,

Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

What does the scripture say about a son and a servant.
Malachi 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Since Jesus is the Son and fulfills the role as a servant it makes sense that he submits to the father.

And also submitting to God means Jesus Completely trusted in the father.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

I am not sure what the question here is?
But let me guess Jesus prayed by falling to the ground, this is Jesus way of expressing his emotion, it does not mean we must fall to the ground to pray.
Jesus prayed that not his will but his father's will be done,
When Jesus incarnated he became a human but with 100% of his divinity intact. As a man he had a human will which is deferent from his father's will.

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus didn't say he was not good after all Jesus called himself the Good shepherd, Jesus was instead questioning the rationale behind the man calling him good because they say him as a mere man.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

First in the roles of the persons of the Trinity, so the office of the Son is dependent on the father.
Secondly as a servant he depends on his master.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

I have addressed this before, the word one is a plurality of unity.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

First, Jesus associated himself with God by including him into that which s necessary for salvation.
When Jesus declared the father as the only true God it does not exclude him and the Holy spirit because they are the true God.
Since the father, Son and Spirit are one God not separate Gods then what applies to the nature of the father also applies to the son and Spirit, so if the father is the only true God then the son and the Holy spirit are the only true God.

sonmvayina:
Bullshit..

Isaiah is the one writing and talking.
God sent him with a new spirit to become his prophet.....
God is not a man. Isaiah was consulting the Oracle....


Stop manipulating..

The person speaking called himself the first and the Last, and said "I am he'
And also he is the one that created the heavens and the earth.
This is God speaking.
Isaiah 48:9 For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off. 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.