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You are missing the connection
1. We lack sufficient knowledge to make any definitive argument against life after death.

2. The world operates with such an unbelievably precision from the laws of physics to the fine-tuning of the solar system. The idea that all of this happened without any intelligent cause is improbable. It is reasonable to consider there is something else out there science do not yet.

3. Modern research have suggested that humans naturally believe in a higher power from childhood. It is called Fitra in Islam, the belief that we are all born with that natural disposition. This points to something deeper within our nature.

4. Lack of physical evidence does not negate the belief in the higher power. Unless you are claiming that science sees and knows all. We live in a world people have dreams/intuition that transcends time and actual knowledge. Science is yet to provide an answer for that. You cannot study consciousness does not mean it doesn't exist.

5. My perspective is influenced by my faith, but it does not make it irrational. Belief in the unseen is not unique to my religion, it also exists in scientific theory

Kobojunkie:
You are missing the point. This is not about whether one believes in a deity or not but whether the claims attributed to the particular deity surrounding the issue of death are factual or not.

Even kids are born with the natural disposition to belief in God.

You look at the world and you don't wonder and admire its intricacies..Lol.

Kobojunkie:
According to you, it is speculation, is it not?

Who says it applies?

However you don't have enough knowledge to outrightly dismiss life after death? Or anything about the creation. You know nothing.

The complexities of life itself is proof of God.

Kobojunkie:
1. But the sayings of your Allah don't apply to me and those who don't believe his version of things, right? Again, there are over 4000 different deities, all of them with different ideas regarding the place of death. Yes, you are free to believe the stories told you by your Allah but without proof, it is all speculation, right?

2. But I don't need to first die before I know the facts I had previously stated regarding death, right?

3. So, you admit that your belief is mere speculation?

4. How could that be wiser if we have no way of proving its higher consciousness or evidence that claims attributed to him hold water?

5. Recall this is the same deity whose claims you admitted earlier you have no proof of. So?

Which was why I stated earlier on- I am a Muslim and my judgement comes from the Qur'an.

You are not dead. You can't say 100% there is no life beyond this life. You can't also create life. So he's, I am discounting whatever opinion you or him has about life or death. Objectively, you are wrong. You don't know.

I could be wrong too because I don't know either but it would be foolish to outrightly says there isn't life after death. There is so much we don't know. We have very limited knowledge about the world.

With our limited knowledge it is wiser to consider the higher consciousness (God). My God says there is life after death so yes there is. I don't care what other diety says.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you lost me there. Wetin concern "circular argument" with any of the questions wey I ask abeg?

2. Wait a second... a moment ago, we were discussing what happens when we die. But now I see you have seguewayed into talking about what some deity thinks or says of death. Why? Also, there are over 4000 different deities out there each with their unique ideas regarding death, so what makes you think your deities idea should be introduced in the case when death is common to us all but your deity isn't?

So, earlier when you mentioned some higher consciousness, you were not referring to the human consciousness acquiring a higher status but of a completely different and non-human consciousness which you considered of higher status?

Circular argument

He is a creator. Ever living, ever lasting. Which defeats your question he can't be created. No begining and no end.

He says there is life after death. Your consciousness remains but not in your body and I abide by that.

Kobojunkie:
At what point was this higher consciousness born and what is the evidence of its birth? What is the benefit of this higher consciousness? And by the way, isn't this what speculating is all about?

It loses the ability does not negate the existence of higher consciousness

Kobojunkie:
We do know a couple of things that will happen after a person dies and they are that:

➜The consciousness that was originally born into that body completely loses its ability to communicate with the outside world through that same body
➜The body that once held the consciousness degrades back to the dust from which it was made.

These things we know for sure i.e. they are not speculations.

You want me to trust your opinion based on your limited knowledge.

I am a Muslim. I would rather trust God.

Kobojunkie:
Does one need to be able to create life before one can have an opinion based on the much we can know as humans about death though?

Yes to your question

You don't even know what would after. You are speculating.

Kobojunkie:
Does one first need to die before realizing that just as we had no consciousness before conception— acquired a physical form death possibly signifies an end to the consciousness since the physical form is returned back to the elements from which it was made?

You are not dead and you have so much to say about death..

What more screams liar and delusional than this?

UncleAyo:
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I have never said anyone would go to hell before

You are the first because definitely, you will there

SalamRushdie:
I am a certified prophet of God , I can't go to hell and besides there is nothing like hell , I am an energy field not human

Are we all claiming Racism and Sexism as part of Christian values now?

By the way, he was probably LGBTQ until it was no longer cool for his political success?

You are going to hell with Donald Trump

SalamRushdie:
Your iQ isn't even above 70 and you are calling with someone that has IQ levels consistently above 150 stupid 😅... I usually don't respond to anyone with an IQ below 100, I consider y'all sub humans

I know God hates stvpid people. You are stvpid.

SalamRushdie:
You know nothing about how God works so rest , you think it's about jumping up and down in church ? We spiritual me know ourselves and I can assure you Trump is one

If Jesus were God, he would put you in hell for this

SalamRushdie:
A man after God's heart

I didn't know that the rent difference was that high. That is unbelievable massive . You people are trying -50c is no joke. I guess once money comes in, it is easier to to be warmer. Buy warmer gear and better cars. Still, our bodies aren't made for that weather at all.

May God punish our leaders and the people who keep vouching for them.

ednut1:
the warmer parts like Vancouver and Southern Ontario are very expensive to live in. The average person cannot afford to buy a home there as they are going for over 1m Canadian dollars vs places like Manitoba and Alberta where some houses are below 500k.

Most Nigerians are in Ontario still , some later move to those colder but cheaper provinces.

So came through immigration programs that require them to have a relatives in the province . Like Manitoba. In the past people who didn’t qualify for the main immigration programs used to apply for Manitoba own but when they arrive they leave in less than a year because of the cold and lack of opportunities . So they changed the rules that you must have a family member there. By the time you become citizen in 3 years plus your family member close by you will not want to leave again.

Unfortunately we can't faulty the US government. Na their money.

Bauchi and other states can direct their pilgrimage funds to these programmes

I read about how good could be expensive. There was an article that mentioned the prices and I found it unbelievable.

I guess rent and other things will be cheaper though. That sort of balances things out. How come settled Nigerians do not move to the warmer parts of the country?

ednut1:
i have two winter jackets and gesrs which i bought in 2020. Still using them today. The only bad thing about the cold region is food is expensive because they have to be flown in by planes most times

The old testament actually allows Jews to wipe out others. When they come for Muslims, it won't be because of our beliefs but for other reasons.

Which is why the genocide against Palestinians isn't surprising.

Palestinian Christians tears = Zionist Christians happiness

Fun fact: Palestinian Christians do not understand why Zionist Christians support Israel.

People who defend Israel are naturally dishonest people. You are both evil and dhshonest.

If palestinians had remained Christians, we will definitely not be having this conversation with Zionist Christians. Majority chose to be Muslims now Zionist Christians believe it is right Palestinians suffer for it.

The reason Lebanese Jews etc moved to OCCUPIED PALESTINE was because when Zionists demanded they leave these countries, they replied no. Israel went ahead to carry out attacks against them and for that reason they were forced to flee. Before you claim any fact, there are books by Jews who confirmed these. People you denied that too, everyone is aware of the terrorist action they carried out against Britain to force their hands to split up Palestine.

I am glad you are admitting the different types of Jew; different skin colours and races from blackest person to the whitest person claiming a right to palestinian land based on semitic traces but you extremely foolish to see the irony BUT people whose ancestors never left the land, who converted from pagan-jews-christian-muslim; You will deny them that right because they are no longer Christians.

I am not the one calling you pagans dear ; Jews call you pagans. They believe I will end up with God like they will, but you? Straight to burning hell for your paganism and lies against God. Some believe that God sent Muhammad but to the Gentiles, not to them. Didn't you know this? How come you didn't know? They can pray in the mosque too and we can pray in their synagogue as well but pray in church? They don't really encourage it becuase it is a place of idolatory. Do you know what they call Mary? It will be a major sin a Muslim says it. You think these Pentecostal Zionist Christian and Zionist relationship is happening because they love you? No, if not for you, they would never have had Palestine. You are a tool, dear. They sold you dolts a propaganda, you are nothing but a means to an end.


FYI, kissing of Kaaba is not mandatory it happened because the same Umar who took Palestine from Christians once saw the prophet doing it and e started doing it and no Muslim needs to do it. Frankly, I don't take anyone that argues about Kaaba seriously, they are just daft. Jews that understand direction to pray do not spend all day arguing about it.

Let your masters do whatever with the Palestinians; but show me who will never die.

When a rabbi tell this you this about Islam: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDsbL-TSmAg/?igsh=dGgxbnY3YnA0anB6

And then say this about you - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DD_tncDtJ4C/?igsh=ZHpobWF4YnZqOHF4c

IyfeNamikaze:
Another olodoism patient don enter clinic lol....

We have books and articles by non Muslims, Atheists, old newspaper clippings across the world and even some Jews about what Israel truly is and what they represent and you have the nerve to claim they are Islamic propanganda. You are a lost cause. You will talk this out with your Lord.

IyfeNamikaze

You are lying. It might be unintentional but it is a lie that Israel wants live in peace.

It is also very obtuse as well. If someone came to steal your father's land, will you make the same claim that the person wants peace?

There are papers and books published before Ethan 6 day war on how Israel plans to take over Lebanese land, Syria and some will argue some part of Egyptian land.

Egypt is not at peace with Israel. The Egypt that is at peace with Israel is the Egypt that is presently controlled by the Israel and the US.

Left to main of the Arabs with leaders that represent their interests, Israel would have been gone a long time ago. Justifiably so!

StoryHaven:
Many of them are emotional and cant face the truth.
Egypt was once an enemy of Israel. They were part of the Six days war in 1967.
They made peace with Israel in 1978/79 in 1980 Israel returned the Sinai Penisular they conquered in 1967 and ever since then there has been peace between them.

All Israel ever want is to live at peace with her neighbors but some of them believe whatever differences they have can only be solved by war.
NEGOTIATION is the answer.

WAR IS NEVER A SOLUTION.

I am sorry what facts?

No one has ever denied that Jews have always been on that land. Many converted to Christianity at some point. Many were killed by Christians and tortured and exiled by Christians.

Did you read that part of history too?

Many of you are quick to blame Islam

When Christians were the first group of people that killed Jews, sent families out of Palestine and restrained them from worship. Everywhere they went in Europe, they always treated them with disdain and cruelty.

The first time a Muslim took over Jerusalem. His name is Umar and he was one for he prophet's companion and a friend, he restored their right and granted them freedom of worship.

It was Muslims that saved Jews massacre in Spain again from Christians. Did you also read that part of history?

If you asked any Jew, which is better than for them historically, they will always pick Muslims, NEVER Christians and this isn't to say there wasn't a period Muslims were cruel too but it was short and other Muslims supported the Jews.

Tere is no where in the world people give out land to others because of their faith, it is usually based on tribe. Arabs around Lebanon, Syria, Palestine are actually Semite. They have more Semitic blood coursing through their veins. Many of these Jews are more European than Semite. You cannot compare 5% Semitic to 80%.

The ethnic Arab isn't a monolithic ethnic group. It is like calling all Nigerians the same. It is apolitical word. The DNA of a Palestinians is vastly different from a Qatari or a Saudi Arabian. And like that for so many others "Arab".

The issue many of you hypocritical Christians have with Palestinians is their religion. You hated that they converted to Islam from Christianity. You hated that Muslims conquered Jerusalem because if it had remained Christian, you won't be supporting Jews.

You cannot continue with twisting facts and listening to Jewish propaganda but one day you will defend yourself before God.

Did I also mention that to the you are nothing but a pagan? A pagan!!! And a tool. How else would they have achieved their Zionist dream without Pentestcostal Christians. They sold you fools a lie, and you gulped it.


FYI, On John Hopkins result, you are a bigger Olodo and a bigger idiot if you believed that it was debunked. Europeans Jews are the only group on the world where ancestry and everything related to their origins are always manipulated and under scrutiny because they want their lies to become so true, they want to be Semitic so bad. So Good luck being a fool about their ancestry.

I am not sad about you. What is true and what is false will made clear one day. I am patient, are you?

IyfeNamikaze:
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Unlike them, Trump is bold enough to spell out is happening anyway.

This has always been the main goal. Genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Surely, every soul will taste death and
Surely, everyone is destined to meet their Lord someday.

I feel bad for Nigerians moving to the colder part of Canada. The money spent on proper gears to keep warm will ruin into thousands.

Developing madness

National ko local ni.

How interesting!

A post reflecting on the lack of herdsmen news since Tinubu's win triggered another cycle of daily news about herdsmen attack.

I am not justifying the attacks. I believe some of it happen but many news associated with them might not have been by herdsmen or locals pretending to be herdamene..all our boys have joined cult finish

They actually hate Buhari

surgical:
Their enabler is no more
They are like orphan now,if they do anyhow they will collect

Ask Nigerian media

This is one of the reasons I believe in hell

It is home for some journalists. The mayhem/misinformation they cause is worth a death sentence.

I don't support Miyetti Allah. There are definitely some truth in some allegations.

Lol. I am not hurt just appalled at your patheticness l, self-loathedness and your foolishness, Uncle Tom.

I hope you are looking forward to argue your viewpoint with your Lord. I don't have time for foolishness.

Calitoscassius:
Yes, i am evil, thank you! black man killing his fellow black man and blaming the white man. I hope you all completely wipe yourselves out.

The truth sure hurts you! I am glad you are your hurt.

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