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ochukoccna:
I'm just reposting what someone posted on page1 of this thread.

But this is a shame and a tremendous fall from grace.

morpheus24:
The above has nothing to do with The concept of IVORITE in terms of who started it. Quattara and soro mutinied because of the very concept introduced by the South against the north. Again the southerners did not know how to handle the inclusion of the multi ethnic make up introduced into their country psot 80's and started staring up ethnic tensions which are evident in today's politics, France or no France.

ochukoccna:
If you had been following the Ivory Coast crisis on a daily basis, you would recall that Quatara's first act was to appoint Soro his deputy and that Soro is the public face of the 'rebels' who have now been co-opted into the new Republican force wchich includes militias and deserters from Gbagbo's army. And that they will be the bulk on Ivory Coast's new army.

morpheus24:
Can you reference me to where you got the information on the bolded part to verify

ochukoccna:
You 'll have to repost your words above in understandable English & lexicon when your excitement goes down.
CNN?
I don't do that Jewish American propaganda station.
Does sovereignty allow you to kill your own people [innocent& defenceless] in defence of a spurious mandate?
You must be one of Ghadaffi's sons that has escaped from Libya!

ochukoccna:
The report says opposition, yours reads rebels
So now the opposition are now rebels because they choose to flush out Gbagbo out of his bunker after 4 months of dialogue to make him see reason to relinquish the presidency in an election he, his supporters and the whole of Cote d' Ivoire knows he lost.
Hmnn!
I'm still scratching my head at your political thesis O!

ochukoccna:
I applaud the fact that a dude who lost the presidential election choose to baulk @ the result and do a Ghadaffi upon his own people--killing protesting women and shelling a market.

If U know your history well,you should know your African hero -Gbagbo- along with Henri Bedie[one time president] were the very ones who started the instigation of ethno-religious sentiments primarily against Alassane Quatara [one time prime minister and winner of the election] all in their quest to become president.

Ibime:
Why should French troops hand him over to the rebels? Do they not think the rebels might "Samuel Doe" him?

Nik Sarkozy is a real f*ggot. What happened to UN tribunals and all that? Or are the rebels supposed to hold the tribunal?

Sarkozy has been pursuing some nonsensical imperialist foreign policy in recent weeks in order to take minds off his impending defeat at the polls.

First off, he backed an unorganised "Al-Quaeda-influenced" rebel group in Libya.

Then he attempts to force through election results in a country that needed balkanisation, not elections.

Then he arrests Gbagbo and instead of following due process and shipping the dude to The Hague, he hands him over to the rebels.

ochukoccna:
Pop Champagne jo!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12981300
Even if the negotiations for the departure of Laurent Gbagbo succeed, Ivory Coast is entering a highly dangerous phase.

The use of poorly trained but deadly militias by both sides in the war - and question marks over exactly which forces back Alassane Ouattara - make the future highly uncertain.
Perhaps Ivory Coast will return, in a few years' time, to being a relatively successful economic centre for West Africa.

But perhaps the model to be followed will be here in neighbouring Liberia - where a decade of violent ethnic balkanisation is only now beginning to be resolved.

The coming days and months are likely to be perilous for civilians as possible reprisal attacks take place.

The massacre at Douekoue in the west - where some people were savagely attacked while being burned alive as crowds looked on - was appalling in itself. But it was also a wider warning.
The United Nations is investigating who was responsible for the deaths of at least 160 (and maybe many more) people in Douekoue.

The killings began just hours after the Republican Forces, loyal to Mr Ouattara, swept through on their advance south towards Abidjan.

'Being a foreigner'

On the political front, if and when Mr Ouattara formally takes office, he will face continued opposition. This may include a possible crisis of legitimacy, in some Ivorian eyes, because he was helped to power by foreign military forces.

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He may have been elected to office - but in the end he only finally came to power through the use of local and foreign force”
End Quote Although the French and the UN say they attacked Mr Gbagbo's bases as part of their mandate to protect civilians from heavy weapons, the coincidence of this action with the sweep south of the Republican Forces will have escaped no-one.

Given Ivory Coast's long history of political and ethnic tension, it may not be enough for Mr Ouattara to have won the election and be "the internationally recognised" president.

Indeed, this international seal of approval may be a disadvantage in local political terms.

For almost 20 years Mr Ouattara's political opponents have accused him of being a "foreigner".

He hails from the mainly Muslim north.

But southern politicians have long sought to exclude him from power by saying part of his family is in fact from neighbouring Burkina Faso.

This nationalistic accusation has been very effective in the south even if in the north - and in many urban centres nationwide - Mr Ouattara won a majority of votes in last November's elections.


Controlling his own forces may prove to be a huge challenge for Alassane Ouattara 'Invisible commandos'

If and when the northerner Mr Ouattara formally takes the sash of office he will face enormous challenges. These include:

explaining why he resorted to using militias known as "dozos" - when he had just a few weeks earlier made a speech, while holed up in the Golf Hotel, calling for a new professional, "Republican" armed forcesconvincing radical nationalists in the south that he has not been foisted on them by a conspiracy of foreigners. This was the accusation consistently made by Mr Gbagbo - whether it is true or not it has been an effective political tool
controlling all of the military forces that nominally backed him. It is known that some of the commanders who swept southwards are not part of the formal army officer corps. Some are known on occasions to have disobeyed senior officers' orders - but to have nevertheless retained their power bases
finding a role for the "invisible commandos". Weeks before the main force swept south, these men conquered a large swathe of Abidjan. They were certainly fighting against Mr Gbagbo. But some of them are reported to have denied they are pro-Ouattara
deciding which crimes committed during the fighting should be investigated and prosecuted. Douekoue is just the latest, albeit most shocking example some 500 people were killed or "disappeared" in the months before the big offensive. Most of the known cases were killed by Mr Gbagbo's army and militia. But some of the officers in charge subsequently defected to Mr Ouattara's side. Whether they should be rewarded with jobs in the Republican Forces or taken to court will be a complex political calculation.
Political tightrope

Alassane Ouattara has a reputation as a rigorous, hard-working man.

He's relaxed around conference tables, in formal ceremonies, and while giving speeches.

But this war has thrust him into a world of fighters who wear coils of ammunition around their shoulders and bandanas on their heads.

If and when he takes power he may try to distance himself from the men of violence, even while praising their role, in his words, in "restoring democracy to Ivory Coast".

It's a political tightrope that Alassane Ouattara hasn't walked before.

He may have been elected to office. But in the end he only finally came to power through the use of local and foreign force.

It's all a long way from the boardrooms of the IMF. Mr Ouattara faces a steep learning curve if he is to survive this new world

andyanders:
@superboi

MY BROTHER, I ENJOY YOUR PERSON. BUT NOTE THIS;WE SHOULD NOT BE TOO EGOTRIC IN LIFE. IF YOU HAVE A WIFE AND YOU KNOW ,YES YOU ARE THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE. IF YOUR WIFE BECOMES VIOLENT, AND PEOPLE NOW COME TO YOU AND SAY, STAY OFF AND ALLOW YOUR WIFE TO BE FOR PEACE TO REIGN. YOU MUST LISTEN AND COOL DOWN BECAUSE OF YOUR CHILDREN. WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN 2 ELEPHANTS FIGHT, THE GRASS SUFFER. WE ALL SHOULD LEARN TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN DOING THINGS. FIRST CONSIDER THE INTEREST OF PEOPLE ARROUND YOU. JUST LIKE WHEN YOU ARE ON A WHEEL  DRIVING YOUR CAR, CONSIDER THE INTEREST OF OTHER ROAD USERS. THE SCHOOL CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN, THE BLIND AND EVEN OTHER CAR USERS. LET US LEARN TO KNOW THAT WE MUST NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE KILLED AS A RESULT OF OUR OWN SELFISH INTEREST. IT IS ONLY GOD THAT HASSUPREM POWER

andyanders:
@superboi
MY BRODA, TWO WRONGS CANNOT MAKE A RIGHT. LET US LOOK AT THIS,EVEN YOUR COUNTRY, NIGERIA ACCEPTED QUATTARA AS THE RIGHTFUL PERSON THAT WON THE ELECTION. MUST HE GBAGBO BE RIGHT BY TAKING UP ARMS SINCE HE HAS BEEN TOLD TO VACATE HIS POST? AGAIN, IF YOU AS A PERSON IS HAVING PROBLEM WITH YOUR BILOGICAL BROTHER AND THE WHOLE ELDERS PLEADED WITH YOU BY TELLING YOU TO DROP YOUR ACTION AGAINST YOUR FAMILY FOR THE INTEREST OF YOUR CHILDREN OR RELATIONS, AND THEN YOU SAY, NO. SHOULD IT BE THAT WAY? YOU MUST CONSIDER THE CHILDREN AND YOUR WIFE AND OTHERS AND ALLOW PEACE A CHANCE SINCE THE ELDERS HAS SPOKEN.

andyanders:
@superboi

IF THE UN/ INTERNATIONAL ELECTION MONITORING TEAM HAS DECLARED QUATTARA AS THE RIGHTFUL PERSON THAT WON THE ELECTION, WHY CAN'T GHAGBO STEP DOWN AND ALLOW TO GOVERN? WHY MUST HE ROLE OUT ARMY AGAINST HIS PEOPLE? NOW THAT HIS HOME HAS BEEN SUROUNDED, WHY THEN HAS HE AGREED TO LEAVE?

andyanders:
[table]@superboi .By what you have written it shows that given the opportunity, You would commit the same crime that you accuse Gbagbo of[/table]

THAT IS YOU. I HINK YOU MUST BE MYOPIC. IF YOU THINK RIGHT, YOU MUST KNOW IT IS WRONG FOR AFRICAN LEADERS TO BE POWER DRUNK TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE ELECTORATE. HOW COME A MAN WHO WANTS TO GOVERN BE OUT KILLING HIS PEOPLE AND NOW WANTS TO BE GRANTED  AMNESTY TO LIVE? IF YOU HAVE BRAIN, PEOPLE LIKE THAT SHOULD NOT LIVE. IN CHINA, JAPAN AND SOME COUNTRIES,THEY EXECUTE THEIR LEADERS BECAUSE OF FRAUD. IF WE START EXECUTING OUR CORRUPT LEADERS  HERE IN NIGERIA, IT WILL MAKE POLITICS, LESS ATRSCTIVE TO CORRUPT INDIVIDUALS, THEN DESENT PEOPLE WILL NOW COME OUT TO CONTEST. YOU SHOULD GROW UP. MAYBE YOU OR YOUR PARENTS MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THESE CORRUPT LEADERS, HENCE YOU ARE SUPPORTIN GBABO.

andyanders:
HE SHOULD BE EXECUTED FOR WAR CRIME. THERE IS NOTHING TO TRY HIM FOR IS ALREADY KNOWN. DO NOT WASTE TAKING HIM THROUGH TRIAL AS THIS WILL BE TAX PAYERS MONEY. EXECUTE HIM AND HIS FAMILY.

mbulela:
so why is Gbagbo not appealing with evidence an election that he is widely believed to have lost?
why is he holding the country hostage?
whether Quattara is a stooge or not, if Gbagbo had conceeded the election and proceeded to appeal, do you truly think the blood of the masses would have been so aimlessly spilled?
He loves Ivory Coast so much that his desire for power is worth blood?

Gore beat Bush as was widely believed but he chose not to pursue a case tht could cause yield a constitutional crisis and decided that it was not worth it?
when will we have African democracy that would com to terms with the fact that their desires are secondary in the scheme of things?
I hope the kind of home grown democracy you are imagining is not the c rap that was done in Kenya where Kabaki lost but the AU in an invention of African type of democracy decided that the loser and the winner should share power and form a govt?
whatever form of democracy we settle for in Africa, it must be a form that makes the will of the people paramount and the wil and desires of politicans must be a distant second.Anything else is a farce, simplistic and will always end in bloodshed.

mbulela:
^^^^^^
noted,my apologies
but i hope our version of democracy must also include accepting election results?

mbulela:
What is our thing?
dictatorship?
civil wars?

dude, democracy is overated but until you can espouse a better option,we have to make it work.
the reasons why it is not working here is largely due to the lack of strong institutions and the overwhelming presence of selfish,power drunk and greedy leaders who never for a moment think of anyone else but themselves and their pockets.
They don't even pretend to.
That is why it is not working in the continent.
The bashing of democracy is short sighted and overly simplistic.
Look at South Africa.The reason why that country has not tipped over is because of strong institutions that are still limiting greedy,selfish leaders who are exploiting every available opportunity to violation the country dry.
The moment they are able to weaken and destroy the strong institutions they inherited, someone will say democracy does not work there too.
I am no supporter of Quattara but i could not care less if Gbagbo rots in hell.
killing your people to remain in power can never be justified.
at least no one claimed he won the elections.

Ndipe:
So, which is the best form of political government might be best suited to the interests of Africa?

Ndipe:
Whether the French want Ouattra or not, let him be the president, because the people voted for him over Gbagbo

spartanian:
this is what selfishness causes

Princek12:
All these old, African leaders annoy me. Why can't they do things peacefully? Why do innocent people have to die just because a dictator refuses to give up power after his time has expired?

abes:
my observation? hmmmmm ok GEJ carries a calabash on his head.

ROSSIKE:
Thanks for the video, 21-05

Meanwhile na Naija dem wan use as enforcer.

WE SAY NO TO IVORY COAST INVASION!!!