dragon2: The A29s must be causing serious havoc,imagine 2-4 of them sitting over a battlefield for hours,or the hours long interdiction they can operate..
Things do not work like that, combat aircraft only have about 10-20(max) minutes over the target area if not refueled mid-air.
dragon2: The Rooivalk is an example of Africa's inability to work with each other. That bird should be all over the continent as it's main attack helio. No way it would be in that state if it was the EU. In the EU the major states would manufacture the main parts,some states, components,while others, assembly process. Our leaders are constantly measuring each other up rather than co- operating. Just pathetic. Better Denel became an African defence company that got billions in Funding and the smartest brains on the continent than let all those smart eggs disappear out of the continent. Who knows Spacex,falcon 9/ STARSHIP could have been an African project.
Naive Nairalanders would never support any SA project instead they would demand the "government" to build "our own" combat helicopter.
ecomog1990: Nigerian Army may not likely buy IFV because its not yet included in our ORBAT & doctrine, NA still used 1940s WW II doctrine inherited pre-independence British war doctrine of tanks lead attack with foot infantry walking behind light tank or heavy tank as cover, thats how we fought before, during, and after ECOMOG, same old outdated doctrine that no army general is serious enough to update, NA generals just dey enjoy their =N= 12 million per year salary that most Nigerians don't know they get paid so much.
If I may ask...... what is Jihad? Some are you are brainwashed to condemn Islam, to sternly believe its a Religion that propagate violence and terrorism without facts to back it up.
Let me help a bit with understanding of the word "Jihad"
What is the true meaning of the concept of Jihad
The root of the Arabic word Jihad is Jahd which connotes endurance of rigorous conditions. Thus Jihad means to strive to the utmost for the achievement of a purpose and to leave nothing undone in pursuance of it.
Jihad is of three types
The Jihad against oneself – which in Islamic idiom is called the greatest Jihad (Jihad Akbar) - To purify oneself.
The Jihad that is waged against Satan and Satanic teachings and designs, and is called the great Jihad (Jihad Kabeer) - Propagate the religion.
The Jihad that is waged against the enemy of freedom of conscience; this is called the lesser Jihad (Jihad Asghar) - Holy War.
Read BBC Submission on Jihad for more details of the word.
blahblah blah... please dont act smarter than you are!
Fact is: The reality of Jihad is different then your academical definition of the the term Jihad. This section of Nairaland is filled with heinous examples of what Jihad has brought to our country. Why do you defend this terrorists with you persistent appeasement of their ideology?
GeneralFarouq: To General house members. If u don't like a religion keep it too urself, this is a public forum where Muslims Christian, Hindustan pegans, athiest etc possibly share opinions... It is immature to categorically come out in all one's strength just to castigate and discredit a religion u apparently know nothing about.
Never have I seen Muslim on this particular section bring out insults against Christianity... Rather we respond to it members aggression.. We ve shouting terrorism terrorism, but this act of frequently castigating Islam and Muslims alike is in itself a "RELIGIOUS TERRORISM".
I f you dont see the connection between islam, the ideology of jihad and the war in the north east and elsewhere you must be a jihadist yourself.
kikuyu1: Thinking of associated costs one must rmbr the support platforms. The dedicated anti sub chopper, the Lynx which we've seen here with Saffas and Algerians starts at 50 mn $, 2 mn $ yearly. Ideally at least a half squadron of 6 land based with min 2 anti sub or multi purpose frigates just for the Gulf of Guinea : corvettes WON'T cut it! Smth with BOTH deck space and internal volume for the sensitive sensor packages and personnel to man them. For minimum wahala ofc you'd go Chinese. The Type 054a starts at 500mn $ costing 33 mn $ annually. Minimum, ofc is 2 ideally 3. Incl increased base housing for all these guys plus support people in your costs. Don't forget at least a thousand sonabouys yearly for training and a couple more ATR 72s, a 60 mn $ ac at 6 mn annually, with MADs, Magnetic Anomaly Detector. Its ALWAYS good to have a hi and low option for your fighting platforms. This is the high end for finding subs, the Lynx being the low option.
The biggest risk in sub ops ISN'T just financial but geostrategic risk. [/b]You do KNOW the major sub powers are ruthless MOFOS! Jean-Fraude WON'T take kindly to local usurpers in his back yard. Expect a secret enemy sub attack or sabotage disguised as a terrible accident or poor maintenance. [b]It happens all the time! You've heard of Russian sub sinkings but there are actually quite a few. Indonesia lost a German made 209 late April.
In 2013 the Syrians sunk an Impostor Dolphin though some say another was also lost 2 yrs later in the Med. The Israelis admitted nothing. In 1968 they lost the Dakar secretly sunk by the USN after they wilfully attacked the USS Liberty in the Red Sea during the 6 day war hoping the US would blame Egypt.
What with the ENORMOUS financial outlay and geopolitical risk in form of sabotage or secret attack forget this ISHYT!
That's a once in a lifetime chance the Phil's will jump on. Imagine they've NOT even a single frigate and will need a few plus MPAs to develop sub doctrines. Anyway, how many here still think Naij needs subs after seeing all direct, indirect costs, BH/ISWAP demands and VERY real geopolitical risks?
JOSCOFELIX: in less than 48 hour Nigeria air force have made a good killing of iswap member which some people on this thread call fisherman (follow iswap and nigeria airforce will make you more fisher of men.
If we define everyone that must live under ISWAP rule as an terrorist this conflict will go out of hand.
kikuyu1: Yes, guys! Finland, the 14th richest nation with a GDP per capita of 54330$ just behind Holland finds the cost NOT worth it. As I said the associated costs of sub ops are the REAL KILLER!
They have a very small navy with 8 fast attack craft only. Submarines should have surface vessels like frigates as force multipliers for max efficiency. I think with their fleet size and composition it did not make much sense for them at that time.
The vehicles and drone projects are very promising. I just wonder how a jet-trainer aircraft project they like to collaborate with would be useful to train the Police air wing. That does actually not make sense.
Nigerian Chief of Army Staff visits Proforce as company highlights growth Written by defenceWeb - 23rd Sep 2021
Lieutenant General Faruk Yahaya, the Nigerian Army’s Chief of Staff, has paid a visit to Proforce’s facilities as part of growing collaboration between the Nigerian Army and Nigeria’s largest armoured vehicle manufacturer.
Proforce said the visit on 22 September was an endorsement of the Proforce brand especially as Proforce is a major supplier to the Nigerian Army and its vehicles have been proven in battle in Nigeria, as well as Chad and other parts of Africa.
The COAS was given a comprehensive tour of Proforce’s facilities and capabilities, including its corporate vehicle armouring facility, Helmets and Vests manufacturing section, and maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facility. The latter repairs Nigerian Army vehicles like the Cobra and Steyr armoured personnel carriers (APCs) and Navistar and Caiman mine-resistant, ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicles.
Other areas of competence showcased to the COAS were Proforce’s unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and trainer jet facilities as well as the company’s military communications, signals intelligence (SIGINT), open-source and web intelligence (OSINT), and naval capabilities.
The Nigerian Army through its investment arm, Nigerian Army Welfare Limited by Guarantee (AWLG) has acquired a 15% shareholding of Proforce Limited. As a result, the Nigerian Army collaborates closely with Proforce, as well as other domestic armoured vehicle manufacturers.
During his factory visit, the COAS said it is best to acquire military hardware that has been developed and manufactured indigenously. Local manufacture develops the domestic industry, facilitates economic growth and saves foreign exchange as locally built vehicles are generally cheaper to acquire and maintain. The Federal Government of Nigeria is also promoting the acquisition of local equipment and Proforce is helping support the Nigerian Army’s desire to be self-sufficient.
Well-established manufacturer
Proforce was established in 2008 and is Nigeria’s largest private armoured vehicle manufacturer, currently employing over 1 000 staff. The company makes armoured tactical vehicles, armoured personnel carriers for the military and police, mine-resistant, ambush protected vehicles, ballistic helmets and vests, armoured cash-in-transit, armoured private and commercial passenger vehicles. It has also expanded its portfolio to cover armoured patrol boats and unmanned aerial vehicles, amongst others.
The company’s flagship APC is its PF2, which has been exported to Rwanda, the Central African Republic and South Sudan (it is used for United Nations peacekeeping missions in the CAR and South Sudan). At home, the Nigerian Police Force has acquired a number of PF2 APCs, and this includes by Rivers State and Lagos State.
The 3.2 ton PF2 is armoured against multiple calibre ammunition up to 7.62×51 mm, as well as against grenades and landmines (it can withstand 10 kg blasts) in excess of Stanag 4569 Level 1. It is based on the Toyota Land Cruiser chassis and is powered by a six cylinder, four litre engine giving a top speed of 110 km/h and range of 650 km. Payload is between 800 and 1000 kg or 6-8 people. The vehicle has eight gun ports and can mount a turret on the roof. Standard equipment includes an electric winch, air conditioning, public address system and strobe lights.
On the larger end of the scale, Proforce’s flagship MRAP is its Ara (Thunder), which is designed and manufactured in Nigeria. The latest version of the Ara features a fully monocoque hull and is built to STANAG level 4569 standards with double skin protection of Level 3A and 3B, and an underbelly of 4A and 4B. This protection level ensures an underbelly with a V-shaped hull design that can withstand a 100 kg mine. The higher ground clearance of 442 mm and the central tyre inflation system enhances the vehicle’s off-road capabilities and can take this vehicle to urban, mountainous and challenging rural terrains. Run flat inserts in the wheels can maintain mobility up to a distance of 50-60 km in case a tyre is punctured.
With the capacity to carry up to 12 personnel plus equipment, the 15 ton Ara can be configured into multiple variants including recovery, command and control, ambulance, field kitchen and reconnaissance. A 12.7 mm machinegun can be mounted on a 360 degree roof turret, which can be open or fully enclosed.
The Nigerian Army has placed large orders for the Ara and has used the vehicles in combat against Boko Haram insurgents, particularly in the northeast of the country. Deliveries began in 2018, and in mid-2019 Proforce secured an order from Chad for 20 improved Ara 2 armoured personnel carriers – these have been delivered and are in service with Chad’s military.
The main Proforce armoured vehicle manufacturing plant is located in Ode Remo and has the capacity to produce 20 units per month of the Ara and 40 units per month of the PF2. Proforce has another manufacturing plant at Port Harcourt to supply orders from the South-South regions of Nigeria.
Ambitious expansion
In line with its goal of being a leading worldwide armoured vehicle and defence equipment manufacturer, Proforce has acquired a 100 hectare parcel of land along the Lagos-Ibadan expressway. This will incorporate an armoured vehicle manufacturing plant; a UAV manufacturing facility; Electronic Equipment Factory for the manufacturing of radios and jammers; an ammunition factory; research and development centre; training school; vehicle testing track; firing range; and armoured glass manufacturing factory.
To support the local sourcing of materials and equipment, Proforce previously acquired a steel rolling mill. This is expected to enhance more local content in terms of producing ballistic steel used for Proforce armoured vehicles and help the company to be self-reliant in armoured vehicle manufacturing. Proforce’s Steel Rolling Mill, known as Sun Metals, is located in Ota, Ogun State, and has installed production capacity of over 350 000 metric tons per annum. Proforce said production of ballistic steel will be the first of its kind in Sub-Saharan Africa and most of the products will be exported to countries within and outside Africa. Sun Metals Ltd already supplies aluminium ingots to Toyota for light skin vehicle manufacturing.
Diverse product range
In addition to its flagship Ara and PF2 vehicles, Proforce has a steadily growing product portfolio that encompasses land, air and sea. This includes armoured Toyota Hilux vehicles, Special Combat Vehicles (Hilux type vehicles with armour and weapons turrets), armoured patrol boats between 9.5 and 11 metres long, cash in transit vehicles (Toyota Hiace, Hilux, Isuzu etc.), armoured SUVs (e.g. Land Cruiser, Mercedes, Lexus LX570, Cadillac Escalade, Range Rover, FJ Cruiser), armoured passenger busses (Mercedes Viano, Toyota etc.) and armoured sedans.
The Hilux-based Improvised Armoured Combat Vehicles (IACVs) have been supplied to the Nigerian Air Force, and have been used in counter-insurgency operations in northeast Nigeria as well as for anti-kidnapping and anti-robbery operations in the Niger Delta region. Proforce has also supplied armoured cash in transit vehicles to some banks and other financial institutions in Nigeria.
The company’s body armour range includes helmets, ballistic vests, ballistic jackets and hard and soft armour plates/panels, and is designed to meet international standards. The ballistic helmets and vests factory is operated by Proforce sister company under the name WMO Gadgets, based at Ode Remo in Ogun state. c
Boat building is handled by Proforce sister company Deto Shipyards, which was established specifically for the manufacturing of armoured patrol boats and vessels. Deto Shipyards, with plants in Port Harcourt, Rivers State and Badore, Lagos State, can manufacture a wide range of custom-built, multi-purpose armoured patrol vessels, including riverine boats, gun boats, patrol boats, frigates and offshore patrol vessels. Proforce has supplied armoured patrol boats to the Lagos State Waterways Authority (LASWA).
In addition to vehicle, boat and personal protective equipment manufacturing, Proforce offers after sales support and repairs of armoured vehicles; the leasing of armoured vehicles; operative training; command and control as well as communications systems; software and raw materials distribution services.
Whyem15: APCs should fit that role with a reasonable quantity of MRAP. Maybe ration 3:1. Proforce has nice APCs, even if it is the uparmored versions of the hilux to start with. Making MRAP the standard will be too expensive and if we are being frank, the Army doesn't have such funds, especially when you consider their other needs like tanks, artilleries, fire support vehicles etc, the other corps such as engineering and signals also need heavy funding. Also, I have heard rumors of troops complaining that the Ara is too heavy and too slow but 17tons, a max speed of 96km/hr (the guy in the video claimed Ara is 15tons with max speed of 110km but the website claims 17tons) , and an engine capacity of 400hp,is it too heavier or slower than most MRAPs in its class? And mind you, Ara has Stanag level 3a and 3b ballistic and 4a and 4b mine protection.
A lighter vehicle must not necessary mean a lower protection class. I would opt for a 3:2 ratio fleet mix if achievable.
.. On the same day as the AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine’s achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract. ..
France has reasonable grounds to be pissed off with AUKUS - Australia was playing a double game until the very last moment.
marvin906: As rich as China they have just 12 nuclear subs but a country that isn't as rich as Japan is getting 60 nuclear subs.. Am confused is either Australia is bitting more than it can chew or China just doesn't want alot of nuclear subs in its inventory ..
Japan might get 30 Diesel-Electric Subs - they already have 22. They do not need Nuclear Subs that can stay at sea for months because their area of operation is literally in front of their door unlike AUS or US. It might surprise you that diesel-Subs are even quieter than N-Subs and cheaper to build and maintain of course.
Faithful007: Nobody is merely massaging another's ego. Once there's shared interest and values, automatically there would be shared support.
Also, India is not as allied to the west as you might think. In fact they are kind of closer to Russia than the US. Beyond that, India is focused on carving out a niche for itself as a global superpower and not just allied with one, same with Brazil.
China is no friend of India. At some stage within this decade they have to decide which way to go. The Russia-China coalition against the US & allies might force them to lean closer towards west.
kabe1: They downgraded bro. They didn't leave entirely, all the same I see the larger point you are trying to make.
The French have conducted independent military adventurism outside the US, case in point Mali.
France was not part of the NATO nuclear deterrent until 2009 - meaning if a country would attack a NATO member with nukes the US and UK would retaliate instantly per NATO treaty. France decided not to sign this part of the treaty back then.
Covert1: List of local & int'l sponsors of BHT/ISWAP
UAE puts six Nigerians with ties to Boko Haram on terrorist list By Dennis Erezi 14 September 2021 | 11:06 am
“Are we ready to arrest and prosecute these sponsors when exposed? Are we simply going to lock them away as has been done in the past? These are the concerns and the Americans may lose interest if we don’t take it seriously,” Amachree said in a report.
kikuyu1: GROAN! Its seems they're still attached to the 5.56 mm! After all this time-why not the 6.8 or even 7.62 NATO? Looks like it'll be a hybrid AK/AR like the excellent Swiss 751. Heard anything?
7.62 is too expensive simply because it is 1/3 bigger than the 5.56 -meaning you can buy and carry more pew.pew in 5.56. Another problem is that the recoil of 7.62 chambered guns is often too hard to handle for new recruits which leads to unsatisfying shooting results.
*Personally i think the 7.62 is superior if handled right but the 5.56 is far easier to use.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SuperSixSeven: 10:33pm On Oct 19, 2021
.....not sure how true that is ...but seriously, Indonesia payed them with palm oil for their SU 30s.
