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^^^^^^^ is it my post that is gibberish or you are telling joe that in actuality what he says about tongues is gibberish?

we are not in a yoruba family setting here, so you pastoraio is free to say whats on your mind. no one older than you still younger than me

will dide to fo eti e if your 'comment' is meaning my post.

but joeagbaje's argument is that the christians are the heirs of the relationship of Abraham to his Lord which is obedience to Commandment of God.

how are the christians this 'heir' when they disregard what Jesus did, even in the way he prayed, etc sincerely to God, and followed the precepts of everything Abraham; total submission to the Will 'Command' of God?

the muslim says 'i hear and i obey you oh God, forgive me my sins and you are the One Who accepts repentance.

you see the difference? one is saying it without actions; it does not reach the heart, but always on the tongue.

the other actualizes statement by action.

@The topic; who will adeboye run to?

if anyone says he will run to jesus, i hereby ask; did anyone remember who jesus run to since he said he was powerless on his own?

these people worship humans; their pastors. those who worship jesus are still human worshipers. both categories are a form of idolatry.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cry all you want. It wont change the reality;

from among the yorubas, we have pagans. we have christians. we have muslims. all of us agree that we have our root in Makka.

you are neither a yoruba nor a pagan of the type of what is indigenous to the yorubas.

heck. why should the muslims of yorubaland even look your way?

@joeagbaje; « on: June 05, 2011, 05:09 PM »
[Quote]Galatians 3:29).
And if ye be Christ’s then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise

Our opening scripture is the sovereign declaration of the Spirit; we’re Abraham’s seed and therefore the possessors of all things, as Abraham was. Someone once asked, “As new creations, why should we declare that we’re the seed of Abraham, wasn’t Abraham of the Old Testament?”

First, Abraham lived before the Old Testament. He lived before the Law of Moses, and he lived a life of faith here on earth. When God made a promise to him as recorded in the book of Genesis, the Bible says the promises were made to Abraham and his seed. This is reiterated in Galatians 3:16:

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”

Now[b] the word “seed” used in this scripture isn’t in a pluralized form[/b]. He said

“Now to Abraham and his seed…”and that seed is Christ.[/Quote]note that Paul wrote the book of Galatians, which you are now heaping on a non talking spirit that jesus called the another comforter who shall speak so loud that his audience will here him, because he is such a servant of God that he did not know what God we tell him to say to people until he hears it from God. how is God having such a description of a slave of God, unless the slave have been erroneously called God? shouldn't God knows His own thoughts without having to wait to here from Himself from another location before He delivers His own message? you are very confused, joe. i will analyse your confusion, perchance you may hear the whistle of the hunter.


shouldn't the seed of Abraham be the one that ends it all? when he passed up the responsibility, you know that is beyond his league. i say that if you say there is only one who is important so much so that you disregard others before him, that seed is after Jesus and not Jesus because Jesus said this seed is to come as another comforter, a teacher [prophets of God are teachers from God], a corrector, glorifying Jesus without exaggerating or diminishing his quality, leading to all truth. as i have posted above earlier, you see the videos of the letters written for Muhammad [as] which he invited the world to the worship of 1 God and not your Triune entities.




[Quote] As a new creation, you belong to Christ; therefore you’re the seed of Abraham. Your association (union) with Christ automatically qualified you as the real descendant of Abraham, and by extension the possessor of all things, for God willed the whole world to Abraham.

As the seed of Abraham, you can never be disadvantaged or be defeated in life. Poverty and sickness ought not to be a part of your life. Isaac walked in super-abundance in a period of severe famine just because he was Abraham’s seed (Genesis 26:12-13). In Luke 13:12, Jesus healed the woman who had been bent double for eighteen long years. He premised her healing on the fact that she was the daughter of Abraham, showing that Abraham’s seed ought not to be sick (Luke 13:16).[/Quote]how did God willed the whole world to Abraham, except producing the rest of messengers and prophets to come from the moment the covenant was ratified are going to come from him? please tell us and give supporting evidence. isaac was blind and his wife was a deceit, who hated her hard working son, esau for no apparent reason. is this a family success in your mind? will you want your life to be the exact life of Isaac, or even that of Jacob who became blind, had a son sold by other sons, and the bible showed how deceitful he was in business dealing, or the life of never married and finally killed by hanging cursing him soul Jesus son of Mary? i love the life of Muhammad [as] and it was a good life.




[Quote]As the seed of Abraham, you’ve been blessed beyond measure. Failure, sickness, disease, lack and death cannot have dominion over you; you have the right and the power to vehemently reject them from your life. The good life is yours: increase, progress, success, fruitfulness, productivity a life of glory have become your birthright because you’re the seed of Abraham:

“So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham” (Galatians 3:9)[/Quote]in Nigeria, there are poor christians. i know there are poor christians around the world. the most expensive home is around 1 B USD owned by a hindu in India. the wealthiest man is an arab mexican. he is not a christian. bill gates is not a believer of any God. you see how wrong you are?




@Joagbaje (m) « #2 on: June 05, 2011, 06:11 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Zikkyy on June 05, 2011, 05:52 PM
But she was sick.

That's why Jesus came.[/Quote]the reason Jesus was sent instead of your 'came' is because the woman was sick? this is completely erroneous.




[Quote]Now that he has broken the power of darkness and given us authority, we can resist the evil by our faith now when he strikes.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Peter 5:9
9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.[/Quote]job was sinless. yet he was afflicted. muslims say i seek refuge with God against the accursed satan. apart from your blind faith which is baseless what do you say against satan because i see afflictions on christians? crone disease afflicts christians and jews. some of the worst conditions you will find in the jewish and christian communities. why hasn't jesus helped you since you are now the seeds because jesus is the seed? i thought there is no plural, or it is the same game of 3 gods that you deceitfully say 1 God to fool the blinds?

joe, if you haven't invited me to respond to you, ogbeni pastor's coyness would have meant nothing to me.

^^^^^^^^^^^ do you want me to remind you that your thread is titled Abrahamic Promise, yet by the end of it all, the website which pastor Aio posted is from the christian view point is talking about other persons, and ended up away from Abraham, but Jesus? Jews did the same; not staying with Abraham.


the command of God on Abraham is detail specific and what God will do for Abraham and his blood and people of other blood who adopt his faith is clear and holds true from then to this very day and to the end of time.

the essence of the covenant that brings about the commandment is to worship and obey God and no one else. Abraham made request to God that all messengers and prophets that will guide humans were to come from him from that point forward. God accepted it and says that the reward of the covenant; mercy, etc on the day of judgement shall not cover a disbeliever even if he is from your blood.

you can see that you, a christian who now have 3 gods is out of the fold of the covenant. so are the jews who now take the writings of their rabbis over the revelation of God given to them, which if they had followed it, they would have recognized Jesus son of Mary as their tribal massiah that they were expecting. both groups; jews and christians would have by what Jesus said would have followed Muhammad [as] the another comforter [Ahmad], promised to lead to all truth.

the mark of the relationship on the body is the male circumcision, which before isaac, and the time of this God Covenant with His slave; Abraham, the only son that he had, Ishmael was circumcised with him.

every prophet in history from that point on came from Abraham the father of the prophets, though many prophets had passed before Abraham. ishmael was a prophet establishing the religion of worshiping One God in the valley of becca; today's Makka as soon as he helped his father to build the kaaba. at the kaaba there is a spot called the station of Abraham [maqam Ibrahim]; this is the place he made the prayer of request that all prophets come from his bloodline, from that time forward.

God accepted it from him, and there is no prophet that came human except his ancestor is Abraham. when this prayer was made, Lot was already a prophet, making he and Abraham the two prophets existing at the same time. Ischmael, then isaac, then Jacob, then Joseph were prophets. then prophetic office was held in the bloodline of Abraham, through isaac, through the branch of jacob, ending with Jesus son of Mary. each of these messengers and prophets were local authorities. Finally came the last of all prophets and he must come from Abraham, but in tis case he is a global prophet, his message is to the whole world; in his lifetime he has to demonstrate this.

Muhammad was from Ishmael, who was the beloved and first child, the son that cooled the eyes of Abraham [as]. The letters of Muhammad [as] inviting authorities, rulers of the world so that they can bring along their citizens testify to this only world messenger and prophet;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBtOdNAXRpU


if i stop here, i can simply ask you, how do christians take themselves except in name as a possible group in the fold of what covers Abraham? you [agbaje] is only circumcised because of the yoruba tradition which remains in their lives because of their makkan origin because they are from the time that paganism was in makka that Muhammad was the leader of the community that preached against this evil called paganism and finally was victorious in the effort. it is not a command on any christian to get circumcised. this is the opposite of what happens in the lives of muslims. christianity bastardized what the world has always know; even the pagans know that there is 1 God [ask the pagan9ja guy, or a hindu near you in nigeria], the christians say God is now 3 people [persons]. should there be a singularity to 3 entities? this is part of your confusions; no wonder that you think you are part of the relationship of Abraham with his Lord. Abraham was a believer; he negated all possible association of anything with 1 God Who created and the Lord Who rules over him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6p5w5adsU4&feature=relmfu

http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=listvideo&sid=61&id=1016

^^^^^^^^^^^ in trust for humanity?

nigerian universities are now producing all kinds of madness; those of egos in the mind of those people one will assume is normal.

@pagan9ja; « #26 on: Today at 07:45:01 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:14:45 AM
@Mazaje; « #23 on: Yesterday at 10:31:18 PM »i know the bold is your headache now. and as to the other part, as a yoruba man, i am an arab. go read obj's book, and no yoruba has opposed him on our arabness.
my soul accepts the story of creation from the Quran, unlike let us create man in our own image and in our likeness. and when you ask them to describe what that means, the christians will have a writer's block. and as for you, except that mom and dad said they are the vessel of which the Creator created you, were you there at your creation? yet you believed your parents, who had the same story from their own parents about them. parents do not always tell children that they had to wrestle many times and the wrestle that God used to create the child, even the wrestlers can identify it. see how much humans know.


i am arab as i have stated concerning the origin of the yorubas. further, i dont live in any arab country. you on the other hand is not white and you live in a first class anti religion white man's country, the reason you are a wanna be. i can do this with you all day long.


my soul and my ability to independently reason after i observe the order in creation. let me share an example with you; every year, there is a winter, followed by a spring, and then a summer after it and the circle ends with fall, which you may call autumn. that does not change year in, year out. pay attention, mazaje.


you do know that it Islam is the fastest growing religion, in the whole wide world? if this is the way you argue, you have a long list of basic knowledge that you are short of. enjoy the two videos below;
http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=listvideo&sid=61&id=1016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6p5w5adsU4&feature=relmfu


THATS AA LIE!!!!!!!!!!! U LIE ABOUT your ANCESTORS!!!!!!!! Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

u have commited aa grave sin by rejecting your true ancestors, a grave sinn,

The Yorubas r aa West African ""black"" tribe and hav NOTHING WHASOEVA to do with d white a$$ arabs,
THE YORUBAS R D DESCENDENTS OF ODUDUWA.

n derz no point in arguin u ppl, cuz u both r wannabes. one, d moslem, is aa arab wannabe( i jus proved by how he so wants to be associated wi d arabs. i wud kindly advise him to stand in front of d mirror and luk at his reflection n see his skin color Angry Angry) , d other is a white wannabe, i.e., d christians.

ME, i am aa Naira wannabe, cuz am aa PROUD-PAGAN-MAGUZAWA-HAUSA and im not so shameless enuf ta reject my true ancestor as all my brethren here hav done. Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

plz my friends, dont do this. by rejecting your true religions and ancestors, u r destroying your culture and rich heritage. this is not right. Sad Sad Sad Sad[/Quote]how is my statement about yoruba people coming from an arab lineage, even so that every yoruba identify Makka as their ancestral town, read what obasanjo penned based on the oral history from his father, who heard it from his own father, who earlier heard it from his own father, and the same happened to the fathers in previous generations, that you, a young man says me, a man who heard the same story from my late grandmother, a princess from a great yoruba royalty says i am lying? heck. you are not even a yoruba! how could you know yoruba history more than the yorubas in previous successive generations who had passed the same story down even to this very day?


christian and animist yorubas, obasanjo is a christian and the adafa pastoraio is a new age animist, both agree that yorubas are from Arab Tribal bloodline. i think you lack credentials, because if you think oduduwa alone became the yorubas without women and clan members who married from one the same group, and multiplied by producing offspring, then you are dealing in unrealistic possibility. oduduwa and his party came from a land. that land is Makka, and she is the center of the world land mass, today. maybe the myth that oduduwa came from heaven or created the earth is what you are passing on?


if it is, you will be going against the paganism that you said is your way because, according to you in previous post, you believe their is a God, you are just ignorant that you need a physical representation of Him in front of you, the reason you chose the idols that you worship. to me your idolatry is a sign that you rejected God to Lord over you. you know there is a God, but you rejected His Lordship which is the process by which you would have known how to worship and obey Him in the way that pleases Him. instead you made up your own ways, with innovations as satan has incited you.





@Pastor AIO; « #27 on: Today at 07:53:55 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: PAGAN 9JA on Today at 07:45:01 AM

THATS AA LIE!!!!!!!!!!! U LIE ABOUT your ANCESTORS!!!!!!!! Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

u have commited aa grave sin by rejecting your true ancestors, a grave sinn,

The Yorubas r aa West African ""black"" tribe and hav NOTHING WHASOEVA to do with d white a$$ arabs,
THE YORUBAS R D DESCENDENTS OF ODUDUWA.


n derz no point in arguin u ppl, cuz u both r wannabes. one, d moslem, is aa arab wannabe( i jus proved by how he so wants to be associated wi d arabs. i wud kindly advise him to stand in front of d mirror and luk at his reflection n see his skin color Angry Angry) , d other is a white wannabe, i.e., d christians.

ME, i am aa Naira wannabe, cuz am aa PROUD-PAGAN-MAGUZAWA-HAUSA and im not so shameless enuf ta reject my true ancestor as all my brethren here hav done. Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

plz my friends, dont do this. by rejecting your true religions and ancestors, u r destroying your culture and rich heritage. this is not right. Sad Sad Sad Sad

Before you even reject what he is saying the Arabs themselves have rejected what he is saying. He thinks that Arabs have his time. He should check out what is happening in Sudan and what Arab people are doing to black people.[/Quote]pastor awon omo oyinbo to fie se yeye nigba ewe e se nkon fun e o. you know for sure that the yorubas are from Makka, because your ifa people in their odu ifa jives it before they throw what they throw. the present oba of lagos even refers to Makka and the ifa with the idolators during the lifetime of the messenger [as] which he demonstrated that they used ifa to locate which cave he was. but it is the Power of Allah that protected the messenger [as] and his hijra companion, abu bakr [ra]. o je soo ooto, iwo pastor. or you don't know anything about yoruba history and you are just jiving; ifa has not told you? you see how weak your knowledge of your own tribe is? boya eje o ti daa lori e ni?
and as to the sudanese, each of them, regardless of talking to him alone, or in group of sudanese people or mixture of people from other nations,


i have not heard anyone of them say that he is arab. the arab term coined on them in this darfur conflict, is mainly to be able to divide, conquer and rule by those who see an opening in family squabble. God protected Nigeria in the civil war by creating an ongoing distractions for America and Israel for the most part, which the degree of any distractions they have today is in the same measure. they used to separate biafrans as christians and the opposition, the federal government headed by 'jack' gowon as if jack is not a cristian and no christians in the other south; the yorubas and no christians in the north; the hausa/fulanis, gambaris, etc. you can see the lies of propaganda.

tears actually ran down my cheeks for joe's ignorance when i read the 'covenant' with Abraham from islamic perspective versus the indecisive position that the same 'covenant' took when it came to the views of the christians and their godfather, the jew, as per the below link, which you pastoraio, provided. everyone saw that what they wrote from islamic point of view is just few lines that address the matter directly, while jews and christians were shifting, always.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_%28biblical%29

i know that the inu pastoraio and martian are still hard. Olorun nikon lo le soften the stone hearts. at least you guys are sincere unlike those who say they worship 1 God but in 3 God Persons.

there is no worse lie, or more despicable evil.

@Mazaje; « #23 on: Yesterday at 10:31:18 PM »
[Quote]Why am I a white man wanna be? Huh Huh. . . .You are an Arab man wanna be, no?. . . . .[/Quote]i know the bold is your headache now. and as to the other part, as a yoruba man, i am an arab. go read obj's book, and no yoruba has opposed him on our arabness.



[Quote]When did any creator appear to YOU in person or speak to you directly informing you that I or any body is his/her slave? Huh Huh. . . . . .Were you there at "creation" to know that Mohammed's version of creator is what truly created the universe?Huh??[/Quote]my soul accepts the story of creation from the Quran, unlike let us create man in our own image and in our likeness. and when you ask them to describe what that means, the christians will have a writer's block. and as for you, except that mom and dad said they are the vessel of which the Creator created you, were you there at your creation? yet you believed your parents, who had the same story from their own parents about them. parents do not always tell children that they had to wrestle many times and the wrestle that God used to create the child, even the wrestlers can identify it. see how much humans know.



[Quote]It is you who has taken everything the lying Arabs told you that is a slave to them(Arabs). . . . .[/Quote]i am arab as i have stated concerning the origin of the yorubas. further, i dont live in any arab country. you on the other hand is not white and you live in a first class anti religion white man's country, the reason you are a wanna be. i can do this with you all day long.



[Quote]Your evidence to show that Allah created you beside what is written in the lying pages of the Koran which happens to be nothing other than the writings of deluded ancient Arab men is what?Huh??[/Quote]my soul and my ability to independently reason after i observe the order in creation. let me share an example with you; every year, there is a winter, followed by a spring, and then a summer after it and the circle ends with fall, which you may call autumn. that does not change year in, year out. pay attention, mazaje.



[Quote]And Islam is not an ideology, eh? Any way Islam is not even fit to be called an ideology because Islam is a myth. . . .Your myth will be relegated to the realm of mythology that it belongs like other myths that came before it in the past[/Quote]ou do know that it Islam is the fastest growing religion, in the whole wide world? if this is the way you argue, you have a long list of basic knowledge that you are short of. enjoy the two videos below;
http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=listvideo&sid=61&id=1016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6p5w5adsU4&feature=relmfu

^^^^^^^^^^ogbeni oja; ogbon to mode ba ro pe oun gbon ni isin yin, agbalagba ti koja e lati ojo meta. i didn't like beating joeagbaje to pulp since you guys have smashed him to the ground.

i do not do anything for personal interest, but for the Glory of Almighty. i do make my mistakes since i am only human

if the god of joe who he says is partially human i see his mistakes on the pages of the bible that they use to elevate him.


i laughed each time i come to this thread. my not contributing is because you guys have made good points. why kill a man who is already dead?

you and martian have done joe in enough. why cloud his mind the more. he is probably licking his wound, regretting he started this easy picking of a thread.

Olorun a ji wa re.

i was not interested in the story.

i am interested in the quote that interested you enough that you love it.


incidentally a kabbalist is no different from an occultist.

the man of the hour of the thread, pastoraio is nothing short of ifa worshiper.

from the two idol worshipers, you another form of idolater is learning something that you even love a truth from one of them; a kabbalist.


you know that it was under the nose of a disbeliever, pharaoh that God Almighty raise one of the mighty messenger, Moses [as] the world has ever known.

the above should tell you something about the Power of the Almighty. but you have to say He was weak, human; jesus who couldn't do anything by his own power. maybe that was the reason you and the jews believe that he was killed by a handful of jews and gentiles. this event, which is untrue, if it were to be true, in either case is a proof that jesus aint God Almighty.


read about the birth of Moses in the Quran; it is a superior story. you as a woman knows how soft the heart of mother is towards her children. see how Allah the Loving shore up the heart of Moses mother as she cast his on the water, and then returning the baby to her so that she can cool her eyes.


mo ti so wipe ki iwo ati oko e ke di muslim. you will taste the adun of real faith.

@Frosbel; a slave of jesus is nothing other than a slave of man. are you a slave of the man named jesus?

@mazaje; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ in layman term; you are now uncle tom. what they call house nggh in the days, and even now; street language; whiteman wanna be.

you aint from harlem 'no more' as blacks in america, okay in old new york city tell the blacks denying that they are blacks because of their 'enlightenment' in your case you are denying that you are a slave of your Creator, but when you take in everything the white people you live with in sweden, without any reservation, you have became their slave, except by your not seeing your own follies, you dont know.

i know who am a slave to; God Who created me.

you on the other hand adopted sweden, or that ideology [atheism] as your lord. but that lord of yours shall perish in due course.

@Seyibrown; you know the statement of the ancient kabbalist, which is quoted, see below, that you said you love so much is against jesus to ever be a God. see the part in bold that directly attack a thing that has limitation as ever a possible God, but god [god being a made up, a fake in this case].

[Quote]do not permit urself to imagine that there is a God that exists as depicted by you. For if you do this you will have a finite and corporeal conception of God, God forbid. Instead, your mind should dwell on the affirmation of God's existence and then recoil. To do more than this is to allow the imagination to reflect on God as God is in Himself and such reflection is bound to result in imaginative limitations and corporeality. Put reins therefore on your intellect and do not allow it too great a freedom, but assert God's existence and deny your intellect the possibility of comprehending God"[/Quote]the part that is not in bold explains the bold further.

@joeagbaje; « #1 on: Yesterday at 05:44:59 AM »
[Quote]God bless , the idea of the church is a work of the holy spirit . That's why we can't be dogmatic in the church. Because[b] the spirt works in different ways ,but still according to the foundation of the gospel.[/b][/Quote]which one needs to dance to the tune of the other; Yahweh Who sent Jesus, or Jesus who was sent by Yahweh? i do hope you will say it is jesus the slave and servant that must dance to the Will of his Lord God. if this is the case, how can the Holy spirit which you say is God Lord in the spirit [as if Lord God Who is at in heaven according to jesus is an entity you see, [i wonder anyhow that this God in the Spirit [Holy Spirit]]] will have to dance to the mere tune of the life story [The Gospel] of a part time God, at best, who exhibited 100% human quality? in your bible it is the holy spirit that helped Jesus, not jesus helping the holy spirit.



[Quote]When I left the White garment church, I used to criticise it , but as I get to know better I see that God was in all . The foundation was pure and sincere Even though some haven't built on the word over the years ,some have embraced teaching of the gospel.[/Quote]didn't God instruct Jesus on or of anything? what would you call the instruction? where can we find the collection of the instruction? the collection must is revelation. this revelation i believe in, i act on what came to Muhammad 100%. the story of the journeys of jesus is not revelation. if you dont know it, i definitely know it.

^^^^^^^^^ question to anyone; how did the word church has anything to do with what jesus brought; the reestablishment of what old prophets brought?

give me a reason that temple is now church if it is physical.

if it is spiritual which christian often argue it is the other form, how is belief in One God is always in heaven becomes 'three persons' idea?

@Energy48; « #11 on: June 01, 2011, 07:22 AM »
[Quote]^^Sweetnecta, where did you read anywhere in this thread anyone say; before Abraham, there were no prophets? Are you hallucinating?

Your post is the classic straw-man argument. You start by inserting "something," from your own runaway imagination into the discussion. You then proceeded to respond to this "something," we have not said, but you inserted and call us dumb in the process. Finally you proceed to argue against this "something" you inserted in the discussion as if it is valid. And you have the nerve to call us DUMB? Geez!

With respect to Abraham, whom you mentioned was not a Hebrew, the following is what the Bible said about him 4000 years ago before the Quran was written:

"A man who had escaped came and reported this to Abram the Hebrew.". Genesis 14:13

What do you think of that?[/Quote]is the bible aware that the bold is a proof that it is always corrupt? you call Abraham, a man from modern day Iraq who migrated to palestine before he had his first child; Ishmael hebrew. for him to be hebrew, the must be that the tribe he was born to in Iraq was hebrew, or the people he immigrated to live with in palestine was hebrew. these are the two options and there is no third.

if he was hebrew by blood, he would be an authentic hebrew by blood, similar to a man who says i am from so and so family from my father's side and you read his last name being that same family name.

if he was hebrew by migration to the land of the hebrew that he lived in before having children or even at anytime in his life after he left iraq, he will be a naturalized hebrew by citizenship, similar to a woman who by marriage now bears husband's family name instead of real father's name which when people or she herself write as 'nee' when it really comes down to it.

neither of the two is the case. i am sure when you say hebrew your chrisstian mind is locked on the concept of the children of jacob; the 12 tribes. this is the position of your bible, also. you can see that the bible starts out from the premise to spread corruption, similar to saying in the NT that Trinity is God; in three persons. three is plural. one is singular. completely two different categories which can't be confused for each other.

i do know that Abraham is the grandfather of jacob. and jacob is the father of 12 sons that you call 12 nations or tribes of israel. lets not talk about the daughters that he had; they have been discounted. yet it is by mother's bloodlines that the jews still claim their purity as if the father plays no role in the existence of the child. there were 3 people who came to existence without father; Adam as full grown and Jesus as infant in the male gender, while Eve as the only female coming out as a grown woman.

is there any family that what you call the great grandsons by grandson's achievement is what you say great grandfather is? if your nickname is energy48 in your community, they can call your children energy48, too. but it will be corruption to call your grandfather energy48.

from my statement here, what do think can make Abraham hebrew and ishmael is not hebrew before isaac, jacob and esau, the 12 nations from jacob, the children of esau just as well?

we even know that the ishmael settles in paran, in the beca valley; modern day makka. since his children were raised in the mist of the arab tribes who settled there after the well of Zam Zam came to existence, instead of the caravan trade route outpost it used to be, becoming a village, a town and now a city. the arabs who came brought their language and definitely became the language that the bloodline of ishmael even speaks today. tell us how Abraham was hebrew? was sarah hebrew, too? the sarah that the bible said was a horror to young ishmael and her young egyptian mother. yet muslims name their daughters after her, showing that the bible must have been wrong about her.

muslims don't name their children bad people, the reason we don't have children called pharaoh, or hitler, etc, even though we see jews doing evils to the palestians who are majority muslims. americans and the rest of christian world practice the enemy of my enemy is at least taking the position of a friend. this is dishonesty, evil.

this video link is a good support of islam; http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=listvideo&sid=61&id=1016






the enemy of islam should enjoy this video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6p5w5adsU4&feature=relmfu

^^^^^^^^^^^ i spoke the truth she complained.

my sister, i really can be bothered.

i do respond to christians to at least put a screeching halt to the run away lies. it could be just for a moment.

that dent may just be enough to impact some lives.

is jesus not the yahweh of the old testament according to the christians?

all evils done to children in the old testament was the handiwork of jesus who commanded them.

^^^^^^ i need to learn the language of your master; the swedes so that you can now understand me, abi?


you are a slave to mere mortal. the state, the people of that state. this is the worst state of mind.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If there is no need for interpretation, in either speaking nor praying in tongue, considering that even the one in tongue does not even know what he is saying, and definitely not him/herself because he/she is in a trance,

how can anyone including the one who is in a state of euphoria who which is which since there is a difference?

the strange words which the person is uttering is not a language spoken by people around this person experiencing it. it may not be a language on this planet.

since God Almighty made sure in every revelation, the tongue of the prophet is always what his revelation came in.


if anyone was to speak in strange 'tongue', it should have been the prophets, a sign of miracle it would have been. yet this did not happen.

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The Book of Revelation Chapter 2:

2:23 And I will kill her children - Those which she hath borne in adultery, and them whom she hath seduced. With death -

This expression denotes death by the plague, or by some manifest stroke of God's hand. Probably the remarkable vengeance taken on her children was the token of the certainty of all the rest. And all the churches - To which thou now writest. Shall know that I search the reins - The desires. And hearts - Thoughts.


Revelation Commentary , CHAPTER TWO - THE SEVEN CHURCHES, PART 1

3b. And [I will cast] those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation = indicates a punishment for those who have joined in with Jezebel’s cultural compromise. Adultery can be either literal or figurative. It should be understood as the literal breaking of the marriage vows. There is nothing in the text to indicate that married individuals were not participating in Jezebel’s activities. Just as they were physically eating meat offered to idols, they were engaging in illicit sexual activity. The penalty for this conduct is "great tribulation."



3d. And I will kill her children with pestilence = a case can be made for either physical or spiritual children. The outcome is the same—death. Pestilence is spoken of as the method of judgment. This event is specifically indicated to be authorized by the Lamb who is "The Son of God."


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Seyibrown. Seyibrown. Seyibrown. i called you 3 times so that you can pay due attention to the below;

is jesus not your God?

did he not talk about slaughtering some people deemed sinners by the king?


didn't he , jesus say that a disobedient or disrespectful child to his parent worthy of death?

didn't jesus disrespect Mother Mary when he said 'who is my mother? . . . you my followers are my family"?


no wonder there is too much confusion in the bible that says 'God is not the Author of confusion".

except that the Quran has Ayat that says forgiveness for the sake of Allah is more noble instead of revenge which is permissible. by the way the thing you mentioned as code of Hammurabi, the code of Moses in the bible is exactly that, from Yahweh.

when you doubt me, i will supply Quranic verses to provide Mercy and Forgiveness as an option. i will also supply Biblical verse to indicate the law of Moses governed Jesus. so if you ar a christian and you reject the law of Moses when even your God, jesus had to obey it, you have also rejected jesus in each and every form you say he occurs in your life.

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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:18:54 AM
@Mazaje; « #5 on: Today at 02:10:36 AM »is it still cold in sweden, since you wrote as if the brain is frozen? tell me how your response addresses what i wrote, above. you can't just throw jabs, and don't expect me to duck and throw my own. i have the options of [1] a jab for a jab whether you hit me or you missed, [2] a mere avoidance of your jab, [3] don't jab if you hit me. each of the 3 is a real life condition which your heart, if you are normal can grasp. as long as i'm not the thrower of the first jab, am good to take any of the three options. what is naturally normal is always on the safer side. islam is unlike not so sincere stand of turning the other cheek, and saying 3 are 1 or 1 is 3 is not sensible. you know it, so does jesoul and i definitely know it.

Yea, yea , yea, we definietely know it. Your invicible allah is the one true god, the trinity doesn't make sense, god speaks arabic, adam was a muslim and Osama bin laden is chilling with mohammed and some virgins in paradise.
We acknowledge the fact that arabs are the chosen people and we should all learn the language of god which is arabic. Thank you.

Can you give this same old rhetoric a rest now. Please? For the love of Allah?
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Quote from: Martian on Today at 11:11:29 AM
Yea, yea , yea, we definietely know it. Your invicible allah is the one true god, the trinity doesn't make sense, god speaks arabic, adam was a muslim and Osama bin laden is chilling with mohammed and some virgins in paradise.
We acknowledge the fact that arabs are the chosen people and we should all learn the language of god which is arabic. Thank you.

Can you give this same old rhetoric a rest now. Please? For the love of Allah?

Yes o, the same fusat that Adam spoke and stayed intact up until the time Mohammed wrote the Koran and only then, after the Koran was written did it start to evolve like other languages so that there is no one around today that can speak fusat and the various arabic dialects today are as different from Fusat (7th century arabic) as modern english is from Chaucer ( medieval english). Have you ever tried to read Chaucer?[/Quote]is the bold your own imagination makeup or you have authentic proof, either from Quran itself or its authentic ahadith? the boys in your youth in England must have left an erasable blow on religion in your mind. Quran or islam does not say that Adam spoke Arabic. We know that the present day man is from the loin of Noah after the flood. No time was the language or languages spoken by any of these men.




@mazaje (m) « #12 on: Today at 12:23:19 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Martian on Today at 11:11:29 AM
Yea, yea , yea, we definietely know it. Your invicible allah is the one true god, the trinity doesn't make sense, god speaks arabic, adam was a muslim and Osama bin laden is chilling with mohammed and some virgins in paradise.
We acknowledge the fact that arabs are the chosen people and we should all learn the language of god which is arabic. Thank you.

Can you give this same old rhetoric a rest now. Please? For the love of Allah?

Thanks jare. . . .I tire for this slave of Allah ohh . . . . .[/Quote]Mazaje, you are a trip. who is your boss? sweden am sure. and sweden is tiny in reality. do google earth.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

now that they say Jesus was a 'drunkard', you turned to repentance and salvation.


repentance to Who and salvation by Whom?

definitely not the drunkard.


and if you choose the drunkard, you have already lost because you are neck deep in the confusion, and you are still sinking further.

@gsuccess; « #2 on: Today at 12:25:41 PM »
[Quote]Jesus turned water into wine, yes. The question is this, which type of wine? strong intoxicating wine or non alcoholic wine (vine-as he drank with His apostles)? Offcourse, that was non alcoholic wine!![/Quote]is any of this a valid excuse for wine making? some people get tipsy just at the sight of anything that contains or smell like alcohol; strong or light it will not matter. some may down brandy shots and can function as if nothing happened. which one is a favorite of jesus of the bible among the two persons?




[Quote]I corinthians 5:11 explains that God hates drunkenness. Again read Luke 21:34 (Christ cannot go against His word), Romans 13:13. See again Prov. 20:1. Can you be spiritual under the influence of strong drink. The answer is NO. You will rather be carnal, and a carnal mind is enmity with God----and as many as are carnally mind will die spiritually. Repent today, and Christ will break the yoke of alcoholism in your life.[/Quote]the first bold is contrary to the below; sites.google.com/site/leavingxtianity/babble - Similar

"But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22

"You fools!" (Jesus) Luke 11:40
"You blind fools!" (Jesus) Mat 23:17
"How foolish you are" (Jesus) Luke 24:25
"But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20


"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31)
"Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14)

"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16)
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 6:1)

"Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)

Luke 12; 5; King James Bible
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


the second bold is not a good opinion, because alcohol tolerance of people differs; i am not a drinker and the mere sight or smell of even champagne is enough to me woozy. some people can down more than a couple of jack daniels and can function just as well. but the catholic mass involves wine; this wine is the blood of Jesus, they say. the bible which they fashion this act upon says jesus himself some wine he shared with his disciples long before paul of the book of corinthian comes to the scene is his own blood. this wine he did not manufacture like the wine at the wedding, earlier.

@gsuccess; « on: Today at 09:57:25 AM »
[Quote]A SINNER IS NOT A CHRISTIAN, A CHRISTIAN IS NOT A SINNER (I JOHN 3:Cool. 'HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL, '
A CHRISTIAN IS NOT A SEDUCER, A SEDUCER IS NOT A CHRISTIAN. IF YOU SEDUCE MEN OR WOMEN TO HELL, AND YOU WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN, WHICH HEAVEN? ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN (I JOHN 3:17). ,
IN MATHEW 5:28, JESUS SAID THAT WHOSOEVER LOOKETH ON A WOMAN TO LUSTAFTER HER HATH COMMITTETH ADULTERY WITH HER ALREADY IN HIS HEART. AS WE KNOW THAT THIS IS TRUE, WHY DO WE DRESS THE WAY WE DRESS TODAY TO SEDUCE PEOPLE EVEN IN THE CHURCH AND WE CLAIM TO BE BORN AGAIN? WE MOUNT THE PULPIT TO SING WITH MINI SKIRTS AS WELL AS EXPOSE bosoms, WEAR TIGHT SKIRTS TO SHOW ALL OUR BODY CONTOUR, AND THE PASTOR SEE NOTHING WRONG IN THAT AND CANNOT PREACH. IF YOU MAKE ANOTHER CHRISTIAN TO LUST AFTER YOU AND FALL FROM THE FAITH BECAUSE OF YOUR DRESSING AND YOU CLAIM YOU ARE INNOCENT, THAT IS A LIE. YOU WILL BE JUDGED. THEREFORE REPENT TODAY OF EVERY SEDUCTION ON THE STREETS IN THE NAME OF FASHION AND 'IT DOESNT MATTER' ATTITUDE. DO NOT MAKE YOUR BROTHER/SISTER TO FALL INTO TEMPTATION. 'WITHOUT HOLINESS NO MAN CAN SEE THA LORD (HEBREW 12:14). WHERE WILL YOU SPENT ETERNITY?
ARE YOU INTO LIEING,self-service,FORNICATION,STEALING,ROBBERY,SCAMMING,FALSIFICATION,SMOKING/DRUNKENNESS,HOMOSEXUALITY,LESBIANISM,ABORTION,PROSTITUTION,CHEATING,SEDUCTION,MAKING CHARMS,IDOLATERY,ANY KIND OF IMMORALITY,ADULTERY? REPENT NOW AND AMEND YOUR WAYS. HE THAT COVERS HIS SIN SHALL NOT PROSPER. ESCAPE THE DANGER OF HELL FIRE. JESUS LOVES YOU.[/Quote]considering that the list of 'sin' must be longer than what you listed; you didn't list worshiping more than 1 God; Jehovah, or not acting according to the injunctions of the Bible. in light of even the few you listed, who is a christian, among those who say they are christians? just name one and put him or her outside the list. how about the maker of drink[s] that lead to drunkenness? is jesus a christian; yes or no, first before you explain your position?

@dare2think; « #120 on: Yesterday at 10:37:43 PM »
[Quote]did you read the context of the thread?
What is wrong in listing a world wide religion in a context that you refuse to ask the meaning?

Will it kill you to simply ask Why I included Islam in the list?


B4 your blood start jumping at the very mention of "Islam"-----this thread was never about Islam, And my inclusion of Islam was not intended to offend anyone.


Sweetnecte; All you could have asked simply was; dare2think wht do you mean by the list?
dare2think why did you include Islam in that list?

My answer would have been; my inclusion of Islam was only random and in reference to some people's insinuations that only "poor people critisize".

So I merely drew a random list of elements that have been subject to criticism to make a satire of the dumb assertion that "poor people criticize" as criticism happens accros the spectrum of humanity-so, technically not only poor people criticizes. Simple.

All you had to do was to ask what I meant by the statement before drawing your conclusion.

"this your thinking is daring"---unecessary and childish remark.[/Quote]random action, while your user name dare2think natural leads one to assume that randomness will be far from a 'thinking man'. but of course, as a christian, you didn't pick christianity that must be the first of world religions that your 'thinking' will pick, way ahead of islam that you chose to illustrate a bad point, a list that it does not belong. you did not even choose judaism that shares ot of your bible. islam stands alone from both, but it was your choice of punching bag. change your user id to random thoughts and i will overlook any of your incongruity.

@Mazaje; « #5 on: Today at 02:10:36 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:10:21 AM
@JeSoul; even if the bible says 'there are 3 that bear witness . . . ? how is 'are 3' [plural] is 'God' [singular]?

maybe the bible misspeaks? intending to say there is One that Witness . . . . that One is God.

or

it intended to say 'there are Three that Witness in heaven. . . . these Three are Gods.

one of the two is a better, clearer expression with less confusion than 'there are three that bear witness in heaven. these three are one God'. this is bad message.

you know it and i certainly know it.



As if your own Koran is any better. . . . . . Huh Huh[/Quote]is it still cold in sweden, since you wrote as if the brain is frozen? tell me how your response addresses what i wrote, above. you can't just throw jabs, and don't expect me to duck and throw my own. i have the options of [1] a jab for a jab whether you hit me or you missed, [2] a mere avoidance of your jab, [3] don't jab if you hit me. each of the 3 is a real life condition which your heart, if you are normal can grasp. as long as i'm not the thrower of the first jab, am good to take any of the three options. what is naturally normal is always on the safer side. islam is unlike not so sincere stand of turning the other cheek, and saying 3 are 1 or 1 is 3 is not sensible. you know it, so does jesoul and i definitely know it.

@JeSoul; [Quote]Cheesy Thank you Atheists oh!!! Grin
Unphilaz, may the God that you serve never cease to bestow wisdom beyond worldly comprehension upon you.[/Quote]even if the bible says 'there are 3 that bear witness . . . ? how is 'are 3' [plural] is 'God' [singular]?

maybe the bible misspeaks? intending to say there is One that Witness . . . . that One is God.

or

it intended to say 'there are Three that Witness in heaven. . . . these Three are Gods.

one of the two is a better, clearer expression with less confusion than 'there are three that bear witness in heaven. these three are one God'. this is bad message.

you know it and i certainly know it.

@dare2think; « #117 on: Today at 09:29:04 PM »
[Quote]-sigh-

@sweetnecter
Undecided


Pls read the thread before jumping to conclusions.


after reading through, pls get back to me.

and if you don't understand, simply ask me to explain why I listed those assertions.


ps- (no offence intended)--- I dont care which religion is bigger than whatever----I care about what religion has done positively to humanity.[/Quote]what explanation will you provide when you list a world wide religion from God along a group you list joeagbaje, abacha, etc? are you thinking?

tell me what positive impact any religion has on humanity, versus what islam impacted? this your thinking is a daring thing, too.