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@mithel; « #73 on: Today at 09:48:09 AM »
[Quote]nawa ooo,i read the whole thread and got tired already,abeg choose your God,n if u dnt bliv in one,stay lyk dat,like d bible says.he dat says dere is no God is a fool,and all of u followin d homosapien story, i pity u,even albert einstein bliv in God.

and for the muslims,i no know una problem,always tryin to find fault in christainity,i respect muslims,cos i know its deir way of worship dat is different but all d principles are almost the same,lets all live in unity ,at least we bliv dere is a God unlike some ppl,(luks around and eyes dose ppl)

dats my ten kobo[/Quote]what you wrote is worth less than 10 kobos. hopefully, 9.5 kobos out of your kobos was the fine you paid for this piece.

do the christians find fault in Islam?

absolutely; they complain we do not have a system of salvation, as if something must be killed before mercy descends from the Creator Who forgave Adam and his mate without spilling any blood.

the muslim says it is called Jahanam. the christian says it is called the lake of fire.

there are gates in the islamic hell that are opened when the criminals at the front, and they will be shut immediately they entered. similar to how the prison is. the guards are stern and firm. the head entity is malik. he is an angel.

the drink will be molten brass. another drink is purse, from pores or boils. their skin will b replaced after it has been burnt to a point where their is no feeling. they will experience for ever, again and again without being able to get used to it.

read the Quran and the Hadith; there are 19 gates. even part of hell is fearful of another part. its a place of horror.

The pastor needs to know that islamic financing and housing market didnt suffer during the usa mini-repression that started in '06.

the usa related authorities are studying these aspects of islamic business process; why it did not suffer as wall street, aig insurance, the housing market, that have made some towns ghost town, billionaires scamming many people, and some even committed suicides.

only an ostrich head in the sand syndrome will say islam is not even the solution of all the woes we have in the today's world.

in my mother's ancient family home, they have an ogun iron statue and two round boulders in the front of the house.

i am going to 'InshaAllah' get some construction company to winch the horror away in the dead of the night.

pastoraio, imagine the surprise in the morning of those onifade's without their silly symbol?

i am gonna get a white guy from julius berger to do the job.

i will not visit the town for a while and when i visit months after the fact, i will laugh quietly [silently] at the darn idolaters.

dogs used to wee wee on. wonder why it will scare the dog that is abusing it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so after he ascended to heaven, he came back for revelation. i get it. revelation is after the acts.

very logical; gospel according to, then acts which happened after jesus. then revelation which jesus authored, while he did not author any gospel. thanks.

by the way i am a muslim. its a far cry from being an atheist.

@2buff; « #65 on: Yesterday at 08:23:45 PM »
[Quote][/
1) I don't believe I denied or supported anything that would make that "argument" of your's even remotely relevant.

2) + 3) You haven't read the bible. Read revelations 12[/Quote]You are a christian, i believe. Tell me what jesus your lord said about what you are directing to revelation to learn.

did jesus write or preached 'revelation'?

@Tweety121;

my email is galadimalou@aol.com

let me know when you write.

then i will check in and respond.

it is relevant.

when you know that Islam is the true religion to God, then you will that Allah is in yoruba the Olodumare, and in english God.

@benodic; « #73 on: Today at 06:09:30 PM »
[Quote] how can you expect someone who is surrounded by members of another religion who does not give a damn about the person and does not show any love to that person, to ever think of becoming a member himself. people have eyes and they do see that the so called people who practices decency when people are looking goes back to animal behaviour when he thinks they are not looking.[/Quote]The fasted growing religion of the so called abrahamic faiths is Islam. goggle the number of european elites that have accepted it post 911. against, there is no point arguing the obvious. i am sure that you will not love it when the armed robbers interrupt your sleep. your unconditional love will not be in existence, Eckankar or no eckankar. imagine if they do worse?



[Quote]for your information i am not a christian. i am an Eckist, a member of Eckankar, Religion of the Light and sound of God. i do not believe in the god depicted in the old testament of the bible. Jehovah is a tribal god. and of course a very jealous god. he is a much lesser god in the hierarchy of the heavenly worlds.[/Quote] i already addressed your eckist religion above; i wonder what kind of unconditional love you will give the professor who gave you mere passing grade for an A+ work, and gave B+ to a person whose work is absolutely an F?



[Quote] the God i am talking about is the supreme God.
The Supreme God belongs to no religion and does not take sides. It of course did not create any hell and nor did It destroy anybody. It created us and sent us down to the lower universes to learn divine and unconditional love and become like It at the end and then come back home to become co-workers with It.[/Quote]you know almost every person without difficult of finance, other resources and health hates to die? death therefore to some people is a thing disliked. so the idea you have of God is unreal. who ever gave you that concept has turned you away from guidance. he is your shaytan. i wonder what Hitler will do with his It, since you stay away from the sodom and gomohra, etc questions above?



[Quote]it is clearly stated that whatever any one sows that will he reap. if the person does not reap it and dies. such a soul will have to come back again to earth through the process of reincarnation to reap what he sowed in his past life.[/Quote]while your idea is similar to that of hindus in the return from death concept, i will merely ask you; where is the unconditional love, if a person needs to come back and reap what he sowed in former life?



[Quote]there is nothing like hell fire where a soul will burn forever. it is actually out of God's love that a soul is given another chance to redeem itself. the purpose of reincarnation is so that a soul will learn about the effects of its action and learn responsibility and love from it.[/Quote]i rest my case based on your reincarnation idea. a soul that sees good in place he is but forced to come back to sow will belief he has not been shown unconditional love. No?



[Quote]the test of unconditional love is the ultimate test of spiritual mastership. it is out of unconditional love that Jesus christ who is one of the masters that taught about unconditional love, was able to put back the ear of a soldier which his disciple peter had cut off, despite the fact that the soldier came to arrest him.[/Quote]but earlier jesus killed the tree by cursing it. jesus sent evil spirits into the herd of swine which made them drown. jesus called some people evil and adulterous generation. yet he called others people of little faith. yet he called people leaches, etc, and finally say to others they will be the least in the kingdom [do you wish to be among the least?] while he predicted that he will say to others get away from me, i do not know you [after they told him that they perform miracles in his name]. i ask again where is the unconditional love, especially when those who will inherit the kingdom of heaven are the ones who accept him, while those who reject him will not? look at the full picture and not just the background or foreground alone. the whole thing you see on the print is the picture.



[Quote] it was also out of unconditional love that Jesus was able to say," forgive them lord, for they know not what they do" at a point when he was being crucified by the Romans and was in serious pains.[/Quote]contrast that [still under the pain] to telling God Almighty '. . . why has thou forsaken me!?'. tell me where is the unconditional love? where should the priority lies; with God or the romans?



[Quote] also remember the story of the good samaritan in the christian bible. a man was beaten up by thieves and left for dead. a pharisee and a levi passed by and did not bother themselves about the man but a samaritan passed by and stopped and took the man to a place where he received treatment. he did this without any expectation of reward and without knowing the man. this is another example of unconditional love. i do not want to bore you with examples from my own life as of course you do not believe that unconditional love exist.[/quote]this is not uncommon in real life. it does not pass for any viable example of unconditional love. he played a normal human humane nature, whereas the others showed their human i am mining my on business attitude. if what you post above is what is great love in your book, a ton of it is done daily by muslims and non muslims alike. unconditional love, is similar to unconditional forgiveness; you love when people expect you to hate or avenge or revenge. you overlook and do not punish when you are in position to do so as just measure.



[Quote]all these are what my religion Eckankar has taught me. Its teachings has opened my heart to the divine love of God. naturally i am able to give unconditional love even to those that wrong me. why? because my heart centre is filled with love. there is no room for hatred or anger. it is a state that you have to experience to understand.[/Quote]i wonder what you will do if you find a person visiting destruction on something that is dear to you? a child rapist will not be loved by the founder of eckankar, if he finds him in the act. if he gives him unconditional love, know that your leader has a heart that is dead, lacking any reality.

@2buff; « #52 on: Today at 05:04:50 PM »
[Quote]1)All you have to do is look around and you will see that indeed, your creator is feeding you. Just don't expect a phantom spoon to manifest in your mouth with food in it.  Cheesy
You should see how the folks in hell live compared to you.[/Quote]God will prefer a person to belly full, first, before worship, so that greater concentration, sincerity and energy are put in the worship. human nature; worship will be hastened if a good dish is awaiting a hungry worshiper. these are the facts, and not the make belief you are suggesting to make yourself happy in illusion or false hope.



[Quote]2) "Angels are robotic. thats why none of them fell."= umm, dude, 1/3 of all the angels in heaven fell   Undecided[/Quote]Give us a name of an angel that fell along with satan. just one name with proof from the bible. if i ask you to name more, i will put you under tremendous task, considering that the one name i ask you will never be able to produce. we know that angels are numerous in number, maybe uncountable, so 1/3 of uncountable will be also uncountable if not at least almost uncountable. so from the many, give us a single name. when you fail, know that your idea is completely faulty.



[Quote]3) Look, I would tell you to go read the bible properly but I know you won't because you're only interested in finding things from it to quarel about. So here, watch a particular movie on youtube. The trailer is below:[/Quote]They call hollywood Tinsil town. What they do for the most time is make belief. that is not reality. movies with dragons is similar with books with dragons. i dont deal with fiction, considering that you will not be able to provide us name of single angel that fell with satan.

again satan is not an angel, but a genie made out of smokeless fire, will angel are made out of light and humans out of sound clay [water and soil].

[Quote]« #40 on: Today at 05:07:30 AM »

Quote from: 2buff on Yesterday at 08:28:56 PM
Look at it this way. . .

You have 2 puppies. One is robotic/mechanical and only programed to love you. The other is a real-live breathing dog who chooses to love you.
Which love would you prefer? The mechanical programmed dog that never really had a choice? (slavery) or the free-minded dog who chooses to love you on it's own?
I was going to use a real vs robotic woman before for this example. . . but then you never know a man's mindset these days Cheesy

^^^An interesting analogy that calls to mind the film Artificial Intelligence in which the character of Monica Swinton must choose between David (the artificial child programmed to love her) and Martin (her biological son).

@OP: you have been provided enough answers to your questions but as men everywhere do, you will seek rationalizations for rejecting God.[/Quote]using tinsil town [make belief] to support reality does not provide any answer to the question. hence, the above is so lame that is limps. so dry of truth that it crumples.

a real dog if not fed will grawl as a means telling its master, if i starve, you can expect me to bite you. i need food man, otherwise i may die. but in the main time, my love can become a think i will not show you because it takes food to wag my tail and lick your cheek.

the robotic dog is different. have power, i show my love because thats what you program me for. i dont get tired. i dont need you to feed me and there is no cleaning up after me. you dont even have to walk me. when you need me, i am there as long you command me with power supply.


Angels are robotic. thats why none of them fell.

Satan is a jinn. like man, jinn has free will capability. reward for obedience of these two free will capable being is paradise.

I bet 2buff is probably obsessed with biceps and 6 packs.

just image if someone is over his own head because was being told that he is good looking? is this enough to make anyone loose control in heaven, especially where everyone is good looking?

even here on earth, Joseph son of Jacob was known to be very handsome. yet he avoided getting into sexual impropriety. he went to jail instead.

can any created being thinks he can overcome God? only people who have false knowledge can propose such a concept.


a person who fell from grace, why did he fall, except as a result of sin. sin is violation of the law of God in this case.

whatever law that satan violated [i actually know the law from reading the Quran; Surah Baqarah for sure [around verses 40 to 50], surah Araf, and many others [Surah Kahf], he became a sinner right at the moment when he committed the violation. hence, he sinned, just as Adam and Eve did when they approached the tree, violating the command. the difference was that Adam and Eve offered sincere repentance, which was accepted from them, erasing the violation or sin from their records.

But satan refused to repent, bent on swaying the children of Adam and Eve away from the path of pure obedience.

you see why there is no need to have a man die for you, because there is no original sin and you can actually approach your Creator without installing a middle man like the aborishas do.

a poor analogy is the handbook passed on to the employees by shift manager. in it, the chairman says if any employee has a need for help, he or she should approach him directly because his office door is always open, so id his telephone line.

if after reading this from the handbook, an employee who goes to the shift manager or even the manager of another shift, seeking help that he should seek from the chairman will actually be scolded for not following instruction, or claiming by his action that the Chairman is unapproachable and probably mean spirited.

^^^^^ If benodic thinks PastorAIO's question above is a classic, i simply say that the two have shut their eyes all along to humanity. when the west led by America wanted victory over communist USSR, she threw all her weight; wealth and resources behind the mujjahidin[s] (it is mujjahidun) of Afghanistan.

The west didn't win over USSR, it was the muslims who defeated her based on a very fundamental Quranic verse; Oppression is worse than killing. this verse really means that you struggle against all forms of oppression. I remember brezsinski during Jimmy Carter's regime calling the Afghan freedom fighters 'good people' and people of God on true religion. in short, today after the defeat of USSR, and long before she broke into independent states and long before 911, islam was the only thing standing against the agenda of consecrating the one world order agenda which papa bush called the big idea,

now, to actually ask if islam has made my life better, is even worse than asking a man who practices decency if he is decent. you have eyes. you see him avoiding all obvious societal pitfalls, and trappings.

if benodic thinks that God's love is unconditional, why is the hellfire created? How many a people has God destroyed, for loving them unconditionally, i ask you? How about the people drowned in the flood of Noah? how about the people of sodom and Gomorrah? How about the people of Egypt?

while many concort their own false hope of idealism, the reality is quite different. Anyone who violates God's Commandments and dies without offering repentance, can such a person expect forgiveness from God? what state is he in when he is being punished in hellfire; unconditional love from God? may God protect us from such an end. Amin. that is truly a bad state of affair.

Anyone who believes that he can love unconditionally should imagine a worse case scenario, where somebody is violating him or his loved one. can he love unconditionally, all the time including that very moment when his emotion is raw from the experience? all rational people will hate the perpetrator. the opposite of unconditional love is a momentary hatred of what is hateful [what should be hated]. A person who cant hate cant love and justice and fairness and love are abilities he lacks. Paradise is the opposite of Hellfire. Love is the opposite of Hate. Tall is the opposite of Short. Large is the opposite of Little. Big is the opposite of Small. Day is the opposite of Night. Light is the opposite of Dark. Which one do you disagree with? Unconditional love is unrealistic. It is a hopeless thought. An idea that never exist, since God Him does not practice it. After all He is the best that can give love. He hates at least satan. No?

^^^^^ Whats the subtle statement all about?

my man truth is a serious business. come straight/plainly or don't come at all.

some say religion [true religion from God], is merely or only the way to connect to the way to God. this idea of the way to find the way is something that has no proof on its own merit, because one will be forced to ask 'what is the way then if true religion is only the way to find the actual way?'

shouldn't the true way to God be known even from the time of the first man, Adam, otherwise if such a way is known after the end of the life of Adam, where is the justice and the levelarl playing field?

further, one may ask, why are the rules to be followed in the religion, then? Jesus was reported to prostrate his face and obey God Almighty Who sent him, obeying Him all the way, including declaring at the dinner table that he has finished all that God required of him.

moses and other old time prophets prostrated their faces and obeyed God, including seeking forgiveness. The Just God will not operate less than what one expect from a just society. God operates even at greater plain of Mercy and or Justice.

a person who disregard God can't be a good person in reality, because the foundation of goodness must recognize God in His Proper position.

such a pseudo 'good man' by his rejection of God is actually a not so good man, except we do not know the unseen. this man is worse than a person who is wealthy, who knowingly leaves his parents in abject poverty, but prefers to give lavishly to those who are not related to him!

imagine the day the news breaks that he has been ungrateful to his poor mother who cared for him with every ounce of energy she has. will this great man, kind to the outsider worth a spit to fair minded person? he has built a beautiful castle on a quick sand. it is destined to ruin.

others decide to factor out God, as if that actually erase Him from existence. who is kidding himself except the one who thinks he has no Creator?

yet others say that if those who profess a religion obviously violate the religion, that, somehow, negates the religion, instead of saying the violators are at best ignorant or hypocrites, or both.

The Pattern of God is constant. so is the [way that] religion of God revealed to us, beso that we can be able to reach Him. Who is good; God knows who is good. we know for sure that such a person must follow as best as he can the footsteps laid out by God. that's the only path to reach God, for Mercy. struggling to avoid His Wrath.

@Jenwitemi; « #64 on: Today at 01:01:27 PM »
[Quote]Sweetnecta, haven't you just made your allah very small, finite and very "human" in nature with this quote of yours below? If allah created humans with the purpose of them worshipping him, then this Allah has to be a needy deity. And because of this, he cannot fit the status of an infinite and all powerful being, because powerful beings aren't supposed to have egoic needs that need fulfillment through human worship. With your quote, Allah is a very very very small deity that needs human worship to serve his needs, whatever those might be.[/Quote]Father and mother are important parts of the family. How arrogant is child who quipped 'mother is so low in esteem because she said it is a must that i respect her, that she does expect me a 5 year old to be in the house latest by midnight even on weekend, just because she does not ask me to contribute to the house payment!' your statement above is worse than the scenario i put forward, because the parent was once a child aged 5. the parent can create even a fly. and when the fly impacts her sugar cube, whatever it impacted cant be recovered. yet you think your wise cracking above is something of substance, considering that you are from a mere admixture of emissions from dad and mom, who Allah created first before He created you through their interaction?



[Quote]God, as i understand the term, is an entity that does not need worship, devotion and or adulation from humans because it is way way above such needs. If you Allah created the entire universe only as a place of worship of himself by sentient beings like us humans, then his sanity should be questioned because he has declared himself not fit to be a God. He needs to work on his EGO which is controlling the decisions he makes. And an entity who is controlled by his own EGO, is no God. He is no more evolved than you or i.[/Quote]if you worship or not, it is freewill at play. it is also freewill at play that you define what God ought to be, as you 'understand it'. if you think that God has a different purpose for creating you, so that Judgment Day is a must, or that worshiping, devotion and or adulation from human are not due to Him, tell me who those are due to or what is the purpose of life, as in why are you here and where will you end up long after this? Allah says recreation is a must ans it is easy [not difficult] the second time.

^^^^ What is relevant in truth is truth telling. Or that is not relevant, anymore?

What is relevant to you? You now have the floor.

@e36991; in the matters of salvation and damnation, the funny bone dies. reality my friend.

funny bone can lead a person to damnation. who wants to laugh his way to hell?

^^^^ is the answer to the op? you are joking for real about angel and their free will.


could you give us something michael or gabriel had done out of this 'freewill'.

you must able to produce one. you asked for it, and i will not even take you and your pastor up about mirror and biceps as if its a bathroom or bedroom scene.

and e36991 told jenwitemi that 'ilu tio sofi ko se she'.correct what was the ofi that satan 'she' for his 'ese'?

how do we children of Adam continue to take the 'ese' of our parents, when we didnt make the 'ese', while the ofi was not made for us? which tree did you eat from? i didnt eat from any tree. thats a fact. Adam is not responsible for my 'sins' which i may have committed and may commit in the future. why should i be responsible for his sin, which he was already informed about and was already forgiven?

stay in your lane, and learn how to drive properly, first before you think you can criticize the perfect driver's manual.

@e36991; « #17 on: Today at 07:51:56 PM »


[Quote]Quote from: VPersiee on Today at 03:14:12 AM

It is said that satan (lucifer) disobeyed God and was thrown down to earth. What made him do that?

For example, if am being tempted now, it is satna and his demons that tempt me to disobey God. Other times it is just my human nature?

So what spirit made satan question God? Or did it just happen out of nowhere?


Quote from: Jenwitemi on Today at 01:20:11 PM

Good question.

And taking into consideration that this "disobedience/intransigence" happened in a place in which God is supposed to have absolute control of everything and everyone in it, it beggars the question.

HOW IN HEAVEN, DID LUCIFER MANAGED TO GET CORRUPTED IN A PLACE LIKE HEAVEN, WHERE THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ZERO CHANCE OF CORRUPTION?

Afterall, heaven is a perfect and sinless place, right? Or so we are told by all those clueless clergymen.

Christian and other religious scholars are forever struggling to deal this question with answers of any substance.

The fact that Lucifer, as a made in heaven archangel, is not supposed to have been corrupted in a place like heaven to begin with, seems to escape the mind of the average religious person, totally.


@Jenwitemi

How about because God allowed LUCIFER TO GET CORRUPTED "IN A PLACE LIKE HEAVEN"

You think heaven is a big deal to GOD especially when He's planned to have a new heaven . . .

OK. You tell us. How on earth did God harden Pharaoh's heart

Get a grip . . .

Just because my neighbourhood is crime free or crime less doesnt mean crime cant be committed there

Ilu ti o sofi, ko si ese - Flout a law, then a sin crime is committed

@VPersiee

Treason.

What led satan to it was pride, lust (i.e. an unrighteously unchecked misguided, uncontrolled desire) and a flagrant disregard of GOD

Satan succumbed to an unchecked overwhelming desire (i.e. temptation) to upstage and usurp GOD

@Sweetnecta

You are getting caught up and tangled in the metaphors and allegories Smiley[/Quote]where is a metaphor or the allegory in what the OP asked or my either of my posts? a person asked a hard question, and you are giving him and or the mocking jenwitemi a 'how about' as your probably reason. i state in fact that the Quran gives direct answers to all i listed. maybe you have your reasons. but your argument, if any, but your answer leads us that you have no assured response.

my post will clear the air. it will help you away from your ifs, maybes, and provide the needed answer[s] for the op.

^^^^^ I wonda if that was accepted as ansa, wince the like of jenwitemi, kay17 are laffing at non-answers from christians. you be christian, right? you posted an answer. the passe are not impressed by your effort. did i bring trinity to it on my own or that the biblical verses brought it to the fore by sayin the spirit led jesus, while God is not the Tempter, and He is never tempted? either the concept brings about trinity or it destroys trinity. your choice.

if i post quranic verses; i will give you the name of the devil before he became satan.
i will give you what iblis specie is.
i will give you what he is made from.
you will know that satan is neither a man specie nor an angel specie.

i will give you what man is made from.
i will give you what angel is made from.

i will give about when God told the angels and iblis in their mist that mankind is about to be created.
i will let you know that the creation of man, and the honoring place he is put, is the reason satan disobeyed Allah, arrogantly, while the angels submitted willingly and humbly. there is no falling angel.

you will also learn that where Adam was created along with his mate was not on earth, but above the earth, heaven.
then they were told to enter paradise with a warning not approach a tree. this was after satan had disobeyed God.

the test of mankind was just about to begin, since there is a restriction on them now.
you will also learn how satan made man wrong him/herself by failing in the instruction.

this failing is what got our parents out of paradise to the earth. were they forgiven? yes. Allah is Merciful, often Forgiving and accepts sincere repentance.

why is satan devlish? he refused to repent. swore to seduce the children of Adam [not Adam or Eve, but their progeny] away from the right path of worship and obedience.
no sooner he said it, since he already received allowance to remain alive until the last man on earth dies, than he seduced the first sin on earth of a son of Adam and Eve killing another.

This comprehensive story, you cant find in any other book, gut the Quran. you nrrd to read it, anti.

@JeSoul; The above John verse does not make any sense. Considering that it says that God does not tempt after it stated God cant be tempted begging the question, altogether. The question is about satan why he became what he came 'disobedient'. The verse addressed something else. The verse you followed it with even compounded the confusion that the first one presented by jumping on the issue of Jesus who is part of the trinity while the Spirit, another part of the same trinity led Jesus to the hand of what tempted him, satan.

If you revisit john, the first verse, it says one is tempted or led by ones evil desire and lust/enticed. if this is true, what led Jesus, then, especially in the light that God cant be tempted, even He does not tempt, while Jesus is the very same God on earth?

I read the piece that you directed in your above website. the material does not address anything concrete, except that it left any reader, especially a one looking for clarity hanging. Typically, most books of religion[s] do not answer the more important question. hence they say you have to have blind faith, as if knowledge is abomination.

@OP; if you are serious about knowing the truth about who satan was before he became 'devlish/satanic', the acts that made him so, read the Quran. if you want a faith that has good and sound clear answers, Islam is it.


You only have to goggle who Iblis is. Who Shaytan is. What was he made of. Surah Baqarah, Araf, Kahf are three chapters among others to guide you. I can answer what everyone have been waffling and trying to avoid, including the no answer provided by Jesoul. Its better to do your own research of the Quran and come out with personal knowledge.

^^^^ Nowadays, most people unfortunately practice their religions when it is convenient. Probably people most are hypocrites. Also some may be ignorant or just evil with the religion having any impact on their hearts.

There is no compulsion in religion declares the Quran.

Further, nowhere in the Quran or hadith is ear associated with what the private part commits.

If the woman says she has nothing to do with the man, there is no proof for illegal sex, since the man sang the same tune.

Sharia law especially on the matters of sex, a private affairs should be primarily be put on Muslims, unless a non muslims wishes the law to be applied to him/her.

Even if there is sexual relationships where muslim is involved, it is very difficult to proof because there should be 4 eyewitnesses who saw it, all together and they must swear, and even curse themselves if they bore false witness[es]. if one of them opt out, all the others are dropped just as well and they must receive lashes for bearing false witnesses resulting to their forever be not credible as a witness.

I wonder why a society like Egypt will not clamp on the people doing evil defacing what Allah has created?


None of the actions of the gang is within Sharia.

^^^^^ Islam brought the whole of Arab to the world stage. I am simply presenting the islam i know.

It was Islam that woke Europe from its slumber of the dark ages.

Maybe you have not read about the Arabs before Islam. Then when Islam entered their hearts, and the world stage.


As for me, i am no more an ethnic man in the sense that all muslims are now my brothers and sisters.

Many people i know have left the gutter behaviors that they used to have for the good garb of islam; they become speakers of truth or be silent. they do not give in to their desires [the lower instincts, etc].

it is islam that stopped the Arabs from burying their baby daughters alive because they preferred male children. there is a ton of benefit in Islam. the best is doing good for the sake of God. and avoiding evil for the same reason.

you try it sometimes.

@TheHomer; Show me a verse in the OT where the Jews are told that their religion is Judaism.

Show me in later Book [NT] where the Jews along with Jesus they are told that their religion is now Christianity.

When you can show me, maybe i will begin to see it your way.

However i can show you in the Quran that God says Islam is the religion of mankind.

@benodic; Those who are evil even as they say they are believers are one of the followings;
1]. ignorant of what the religion requires of them while they just let their bad qualities take over.
2]. they know the truth, but they prefer to be hypocritical anyway, liars of what they say they follow.

There is nothing called unconditional love. just like there is nothing called unconditional hate. God does not practice either. if you write your own understanding of God, the reality is actually what God is; He loves and hates with reasons; His rules obeyed or disobeyed are major factors which brings about His Mercy or Justice.

Forgiveness from Him is a reality. Adam and Eve received it of their sin/mistake.

Justice from Him is a reality. At the end of the Day, on Judgment Day satan and those who follow him shall receive te just punishment.

Even you who is asking for unconditional love can never give unconditional love to all all the time. somebody or something will bring the other side out of you. the other side you are suppressing so much.

Why do you think God will create you, hell and paradise, endowed you with ability to know right and wrong, yet you think that your decision about His Rule must be based on what you see of others, instead of you finding out if there is the right rule from Him that you must adopt and follow over and above other 'rules'.

And the white people you think are good without religion, are just as rotten as the nigerian religious hypocrites or outright evil people with or without religion. God consciousness is goo. the best is sincere God consciousness. a person without consciousness of God is like a cattle, only better than a religious hypocrite. hypocrisy is not a good barometer to measure anything.

@TheHomer;
Jehovah is not a semitic word. But it also means God, just Olodumare means God.

Yahweh means God just like Oluwa or Rahman means God.

Elohim means God just like Olorun or Rahim means God.

El, if you say it is a full word for God, then it means God just like Eleda or Qalik means God.

Allah says call Him be His Names, which are the Most Beautiful Names.

Every language has Names for God. Call Him those Names in your mother tongue. There is no problem.

Often the feeling from the gut is wrong.

If God were to be father to anyone among mankind, it would have been Adam [AS] foremost. Then Eve because have no earthling parents. There are creatures of God that are far superior than them. God then said in many parts of the Quran, but i will like you to read Surah Maryam where The Almighty says it does not befit His Own Majesty to have any offspring [negating false claims of being His children when even one is honored as a begotten son/child, and further elevated to be His partner and even Him], all that in Heavens and Earth and in between [seen and unseen] are but servants to Him, needing Him, always [at least in time of distress must cry to Him] while He does not need any of them to be complete.

Reality is that the Muslim man is your father while God is your Creator, hence the claim of you being God's daughter is simple of your own without any proof [really a false hope]. You are aways going to remain your father's bloodline/progeny/daughter. No one in his right mind will ever say your surname is God, but that of my nigerian muslim brother.

I am sure that you do know the success rate of the British Hindu Indians, in almost every field? Who do they pray to but their god/idol which as somebody puts it, they have to ring the bell to wake it up, wash it, place it in its place and then pray to it. There prayers are answered. Even Buhdhist has his prayers answered just as well. For many decades China;s official policy is that there is no God. This was also the case with USSR through the cold war. These two plus pagan India, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, etc were and still remain part of the first 'world'.

In africa, the animists cry to their gods and they often get what the asked.

Allah says in Surah Maryam [this surah is enough to get you thinking] that He allows satan [evil one] to control the disbeliever for his/her disbelief in Allah The Almighty. You do know that the ultimate failure is the one whose deed is rendered worthless on the day of great meeting? You can nor make up your own religion. When you follow falsehood, is as good as making up your own religion.

How does a man dies for your sins, when he has not committed it? How do you become sinful for a sin which your forebearers committed, even though they have been forgiven of that very sin?

My dear sister, these are brainfoood[s]. The good result is that it nourishes the soul. May God guide us all. Amin.

@Deep sight and Benodic; You will have to agree that your position at best is 50/50 chance that you are correct, while mine 50/50 chance that I may be wrong in matters of the absolute presence of God and or my chosen religion.

This world is not so intelligent that it brings itself to being. But it is so organized that it is impossible to say there is no Organizer of some sort. That One Organizer that has Absolute Intelligence to make this happen is God.

God can't create all of these and us human in [it] without a purpose. Hence, God says in the Wise Book full of Guidance [Quran]; And I did not create jinn and man other than they worship Me. I do not ask of them food or anything else.

Allah did not just say this but give us the road map for such a worship, naming the religion [even] of which we ought to follow.

It has been known that the children of Israel even make holy pilgrimage to Makka, which is still done by the muslims till today. The Bani Israil made the annual hajj in response to the call of Ibrahim [AS]. All of the above point to Islam being the religion of truth, never mind the pockets of evil among the muslim community.

So would you refuse to accept the truth in the future, if you discover your present choice is faulty?


You know journalism. The best piece a journalist can produce is absolute truth; the account of what happens without bias if there is any to begin with. That is what Quran is; he heard he repeated and ordered it written and memorized, for usage and its passing along through the generations.

The children of Israil used to make Hajj to Makka before the idols were introduced to the Ka'aba. This is a sign that Islam is the truth and preceded judaism and christianity, and being the religion of Ibrahim, The Father of Faith, Friend of God.

Do your own research. When you find the absolute truth, return to it. Take your mom along into it.

If christianity is the truth with its trinity; god being son and man, another being ghost and the third being father; give the proof. I will then accept it with knowledge, not blindly or because it is popular. This is all about your final destination; Hell or Paradise.

@Maclatunji; Chapter 112 of the Quran is below;

In The Name of Allah The Compassionate, The Merciful

1]. Say: He, Allah, is One.

2]. Allah is He on Whom all depend.

3]. He begets not, nor is He begotten.

4]. And there is none comparable unto Him