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@Yommyuk; [Quote]Jehovah (pronounced /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/) is an anglicized representation of Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible.


The name Jehovah was introduced in about 1270 A.D. by a Roman Catholic Spanish Monk, named Raymundus Martini, in his book Pugeo Fidei (Dagger of Faith). The ancient Hebrews had Yhwh for the sacred name of God, purposely written without vowels. Martini substituted the sacred term for God with the consonants Jhvh (possibly deriving this from the common latin term Jove), he then inserted the vowel points of Adonai or Elohim to contrive the first use of the term Jehovah.

http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1164665153.htm


I attend Celestial Church of Christ and[b] the name revealed by the Holy Spirit to our Pastor and founder SBJ Oshoffa (RIP) was the name “Jehovah”[/b] – That is the way it was pronounced, therefore going on about the spelling is irrelevant. As long as it is the God who created the heaven and earth is the one that I call upon, He that has all ears hears me whenever I call upon him. If I wish to call God “My father” who art in heaven, who are you or your godfather Muhammad to judge me on that. All I know is that the God I serve is self-sufficient, self existent, all encompassing, and without limitation. The one who is in the universe, who is not dependent on something else for his existence. He is the one I call upon. So therefore “OMO IYA” regarding how I called upon my God is none of your business, so BACK OFF O ye accuser![/Quote]how do the bold fit or tell a fluid story of a singular purpose? they dont fit and the essence of their message[s] are disjointed.

there is no way Jehovah reminds or resembles Yahweh. if Jehovah was formulated by a monk, obviously Moses, etc and or Jesus will not know it means Yahweh, if any of them hears it. if oshoffa knew the word Jehovah before he got it from the holy ghost, as you said, how great is the revelation, except it may be a confirmation over the name Yahweh, is what you are saying? either it was not much a revelation you see or deviation as we already know that it was a formulation by a spaniard, already? my argument all along.

and the timothy and corinthians verses you quoted, can they be accurate and be accepted over what Jesus actually stated, if they are opposing each other? food for thought and i hope you do not walk about the places barefooted?

@benodic: While i may excuse jenwitemi, you sir will have to argue with the Bible, that says you are a creation of God having His "image" [i wonder what is meant by this?] at the same time being His 'son' instead of being His servant, on one hand. I guess it is based on the above you said God is Only Love, thinking that those He will condemn to hellfire He will love as much as those He will admit to Heaven.

Still, on the other hand, the bible let us know that more righteous people than you fear God. I hereby below give you one of the people, so that you may learn something or just maybe you can put your own spin into it to give us a thorough explanation of what is the fear here other than fear of God?

Job was a perfect and upright man who feared God and eschewed evil (Job 1:1)

Perfect and upright man in the Bible should be a person who believes in God, keeps His Commandments and is sinless in this regards, considering that such a man is a prophet, an anointed man from God. Is Job who is said to fear Yahweh according to the verse above less than such a noble quality? If God was ever a father of anyone, is Job not supposed to be a son before you could ever be? If anyone was to realize that God is Only love, shouldn't Job know this even more intimately in greater detail than you ever can? Yet this very elect of God "feared" God to mean he was careful not to disobey Him.

Olodumare is just like Al Jabbar.

Oluwa is just like Rabb.

Olorun is just like Al Malik

you can go on and on.

Yet Allah is meant by each of them, while that is His Proper Name.

@Yommyuk: [Quote]Was Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Dauda (David) muslims?[/Quote]For sure Abraham was not a jew [by blood or religion], a christian [i really should not even have to explain this christian thing and Abraham to you, or should i, if you remember the people of Antioch if Jesus, who was born just a few few years more than 2 K years ago was not a christian?]. who was possibly the first Jew? at best judah the son of Jacob. and Jacob was not but the grandson of Abraham.
at best Moses was a jew by tribe, but not by religion. in the lifetime of Moses, his community was never called a jew, neither by tribal tradition nor by religious tradition. Moses was a messenger of The God Who spoke with him as Unseen in the Burning Bush [yet no vegetation was consumed. this was a miracle all in its own]. part of the tradition of worship in the religious of the jew is to bop the head toward the wall. please show a verse where Moses bopped his head, other than prostrate his face, like Jesus did, the same thing muslims do even to the present day.
if you do not know, there are many videos on youtube where the jews are seen praying like muslims, unfortunately some of them will prostrate their face first and then bow, whereas they were told in the Quran [Surah Imran verse revealed in Madina about joining muslims that they should now join the people [muslims] who bow before prostrating] to believe in the messenger [as] now in Madina, but they refused.
let me ask you if the religion of David is not the same as the religion of Moses, which should be the same as the religion of Abraham, which should be the same religion of Noah who was saved away from the destructive flood, and definitely the same religion of our father, Adam the first man?



[Quote]Are u for real? Stop showing ignorance bro. Let engage intellectually.
Anyway, let me go down to your level of understanding.
Do you know what happened to the disciples of Jesus? How they died?
St Peter was crucified head down. (suffered more physical pain than Jesus)
Suffering for Christ for a true Christian is normal and a honor[/Quote]they did not even hang around when the 'master' was being arrested. and you didn't find any of them worthy to use, instead of Daniel, or you forgo already. the highest quality of a follower is always when his leader is leading him, not after. if none of them stood firm to support their leader in the time of his greatest need of them, how convenient is it to suddenly became a lion when they were mere timid lambs around him? i'm sure he was a worthy leader, shouldnt the followers meet the quality that we expected from those who follow such a person?



[Quote]Acts 5:41
“So they left the presence of the Sanhedrin, rejoicing that they had been found worthy to suffer dishonor for the sake of the name.”
Philippians 1:29
“For to you has been granted, for the sake of Christ, not only to believe in him but also to suffer for him.”
This popular believe and trend that goes on in the Church that if you follow Christ or become a Christian all things become new. They most of the time misinterpret this for earthly rewards, God help us all (myself included). If one wants to truly follow Christ, na real suffer head. Speak the truth and see people for whom they really are. That is why most speak prosperity just to keep the members happy.
All of us compromise sometimes and it is the grace of God that sees us through. Hardcore Christains are rare in the world we live in today. That is why people like you don;t like what you see and generalize. But one thing I know for sure the Kingdom of God is at hand.[/Quote]the first bold is by itself an evidence against them who would not even suffer along with jesus who has been their master all along! i will say that their sudden ability to suffer as in above verses if not sign hypocrisy, it has to be just punishment for their lack of true faith, may it was the reason jesus called them 'ye of little faith' and has predicted that on the day of judgment he will say to them 'i never knew ye'. people could actually be punished for evil right here on earth while people may say that they are suffering for their faith.



[Quote]2 Corinthians 4:16-18
“Therefore, we are not discouraged; rather, although our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this momentary light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to what is seen but to what is unseen; for what is seen is transitory, but what is unseen is eternal.”[/Quote]did the writer see the unseen, especially when he was not a prophet, or even a follower of Jesus before his Lord lifted him up to heaven? can we really in good conscience believe the above, especially in the light that the writer said to do away with what jesus even bounded himself by of the laws of the old prophets, when he warned that the least of the jot must be kept, and whosoever abolish or suggest the abolition will be the least in the kingdom of heaven? is yommyuk ready to be from the least of the kingdom of heaven?
further, the same writer said 'if what we preach, [different from what jesus brought [being preached in jerusalem, while another is being preached in antioch]] makes people come to christianity [it is immoral and unGodly to harvest souls by deception], why i'm i being persecuted?'. can such a person be considered honest especially when he shouted peter the rock down, who is preaching a different gospel?



[Quote]2 Timothy 3:12
“In fact, all who want to live religiously in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.”[/Quote]yommyuk will claim that he is experiencing persecution soon. yommy oo. tell me where christianity is experiencing persecution, today, if you can factor out other matters except religion, except maybe in israel? each place you can show i will give you twice for islam. i'm talking actual carpel persecution because they are muslims.

@jenwitemi; Please throw me your questions, inshaAllah you find me answering them.

[Quote]« #3 on: Yesterday at 11:32:15 PM »

No, i have never feared anything. Fear is not part of my life. And the only "god" that i factored out of my life is the fake abrahamic one in the bible, torah and quran.The god of these 3 desert religions is dead, in my view.
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 08:52:43 PM
@Jenwitemi; i am a muslim. but i need to ask you if you have ever experienced any fear since you became a person who factor 'God' out of you life?
please tell us what was the thing you feared and or what brought about the fear? how long did it last and how did you overcome it?

No, i will not fear anything in the future, either.
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 08:52:43 PM
will you feear something in the future? i hope you are not in this following situation, ever. amin.

No, i will not experience fear in such a situation if i do face it. The worst thing that could happen is that my head gets blown off and my body dies. What worse can happen than that?Jenwitemi does not fear death. I was here and i am no more. Happens all the time to multitudes of living beings. No big deal.

If i die, my beautiful wife and kid will have to face life alone and live on. That is life. Happens all the time. Whatever will be will be. Of course, if i see an opportunity to escape, i will take it, like any other person would. But if there is no chance, then it means that it is time to go. Shrug. What is the point in fearing what is going to kill you anyway?

You see, nobody can kill me. They can only kill my body, but they cannot kill me. That is why i am fearless. If i lose this body, i will immediately get another one some place else and resume living a new life. Smiley

And as for "fearing" god, only fake gods need be feared. The true and loving God need not be feared, but loved. Love and fear do not go together.
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 08:52:43 PM
suppose a gang of thugs cornered you on a deserted alley way, at night. imagine the had all sort of materials to commit mayhem on them.

one of them is playing russian roulette with you with a magnum in his hand. he put the trigger just resting on the tongue. will you experience any form of fear, especially when they are so many which prevents you from even thinking that you could put up a fight or try to run away, taking your chances that you may escape. one gun pointed is bad enough. what if they are at least a dirty dozen. how would you manage to escape or not to fear in concern for your life, considering that you have a beautiful woman and young babies waiting for your return?

now tell me, if you do not fear these people in that perilous moment, before it over to its expected conclusion?[/Quote]you seem to have conveniently forgotten that you do not 'capability' to know everything that has happened to you from the time 'mama' delivered you up to this time? your ability to acknowledge the time of your birth up the time that you were able to recognize the fact that you are human and part of a structured family tells me that you are not sincere in your statements, above. in your early years, you must have experienced some fear, which you cant even remember today;

maybe when mom went to another part of the house leaving you alone in your crib, or you woke up with the familiar face of her next to you, or you feared the stranger that came visiting whereby you quickly ran to the assuring and comforting arms of mom to save you from the boggy man.

definitely, something in your life as an adult must have spooked you; a dreadful dream, maybe or something you created anxiety in your heart. you must be sincere to yourself instead of blindly denying the obvious.

and as to the scenario i put forward about, your reaction to is is similar to what is known as '. . . . agada owo dun bekoo'. even fela said to b re jo ma sare. maa ba ku ta tete o, maa sare. maa bejo sere o, maa sare'.

i dont think you are as daring as he was. and when the soldier boys came for him in the days, he feared, if only for a moment.

that was even oppressive condition of man over man.

now as to God the Holder of all Honors, the fear that I have of Him is deserving and just based on His Decree.

if an excruciating ever shot up from one part of your body to another part, you will experience the fear of the unknown consequence of it, before the relief from the pain. if a mere temporary condition in your body made you cringe in pain, imagine how deserving you should be of the Causer of the pain and the relief you experience? is there any Authority that deserves equal reverence in fear and love [hope] in that Majestic Authority?

note that pain and fear cant give you relief or hope. and relief or hope cant bring you fear or pain either. but God is the Controller of both.

and you not serious in your thought that you will get the different life. do you have a proof, since dont even know when papa and mama worked on your case, which resulted in pregnancy, including your ignorance of your early years? are you able to tell us what happen the afternoon of the day you turned 5 weeks on earth?

your knowledge is limited, typical in the case of every human. or are you certain of what will happen next year, exactly the time you will be reading this line, one year ahead? and what you dont know or refuse to acknowledge is 'fake' in your public persona. privately we shall not be surprised to hear you say 'oh my God'.

^^^ while you didnt answer my question, i shall answer yours, InshaAllah.


i do not have a sincere fear in anything but my absolute fear is in Allah.

so i know i'm under His Control, hence i'm not sincerely arrogant to turn to Him in reverence, seeking His Mercy, Forgiveness, Protection, etc knowing fully well that The Loving shall answer my supplication, running to Him with humility.

oo je jawo kuro ni nu aapon tio yooo. agba lo maa nda yi.

^^^^ you should know that daniel was neither a christian nor a christian soldier. you should have used a christian. maybe the companions should have been your best choice.

i know you decided to ignore them, which is a good reason you should seek other, like daniel, but it would have been better if you looked at the companions [ra] of the messenger [as], to see firmness in resolve.

while you have betrayer, denier, deserters in the other camp where no one of the witness the crucifixion of one of the three; simon who carried the cross after the one was carrying it earlier stumbled and fell down tired and unable to go on, jesus son of the father [bar abas is son of the father when translated], or jesus the anointed,

the companions of the last messenger [as] in his last time suffered 13 years in makka, 2 more years in madina before they dare to defend themselves, whereby many died even when they won any battle, and lost lives when they lose any battle, going through test throughout till this present time.

the difference is in what the focus is. 3 is always more than 1. but the greatest Focus is in 1, alone.

^^^^^^ The headmasters [AS} of the time of Jehovah [God], have ended their tenure[s].

the only headmaster [AS] of the time of Allah [God] is now, being current from 610 and shall continue to hold that current position till the end of the life of the last man to come on earth. he is the last headmaster for the institution. the manual that he runs the institution with is flawless that it will fit the future as it does fit the present the same way it did fit the past perfectly.

by the way, while Jehovah is not a proper name, like Yommy is, but a less than proper noun like man/husband is. hence, does the word [Jehovah] appear anywhere in the Bible? please show us the verse plainly to read.

note that neither Yahweh, Jehovah [and others] is the Proper Name of God. Afterall, I am Who I am is not a proper Name, you will agree while Allah is definitely a Proper Name which your heart identifies the moment you hear The Word.

in surah azhab [33] ayay [59, we read the following; O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

further verses that address men and women alike;
“O children of Adam, We have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of God's signs, that they may take heed.” [Qur'an 7:26]

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do." [Qur'an 24:30]


hadith about modesty,obviously including your clothing; Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: ‘Faith consists of more than seventy branches. And haya (modesty) is a part of faith.’” [Sahih Bukhari]

when a person differs from the messenger [today's headmaster] [as], the moment i know that he differs, i stop following him on what he differs. i will point out his 'differing' if i can, or at least express it so that those who may be closer to him eventually inform him about it.

whether it is a shia, sunni or other[s], who so ever indulge in injustice or making a life without what Allah The Almighty indicates to be possible reason for taking any life, such an action will receive Justice from The Just God.

while we are all fighting on religious label os sect itself, we often forget the undying Message, the messenger and even Allah in our rage to be temporarily victorious, forgetting the real Victory that is with Allah.


may Allah open our hearts on His Guidance. Amin.

@Jenwitemi; i am a muslim. but i need to ask you if you have ever experienced any fear since you became a person who factor 'God' out of you life?
please tell us what was the thing you feared and or what brought about the fear? how long did it last and how did you overcome it? will you feear something in the future? i hope you are not in this following situation, ever. amin.

suppose a gang of thugs cornered you on a deserted alley way, at night. imagine the had all sort of materials to commit mayhem on them.

one of them is playing russian roulette with you with a magnum in his hand. he put the trigger just resting on the tongue. will you experience any form of fear, especially when they are so many which prevents you from even thinking that you could put up a fight or try to run away, taking your chances that you may escape. one gun pointed is bad enough. what if they are at least a dirty dozen. how would you manage to escape or not to fear in concern for your life, considering that you have a beautiful woman and young babies waiting for your return?

now tell me, if you do not fear these people in that perilous moment, before it over to its expected conclusion?

^^^^^^^^^ is He absent now that He has to come?

has anyone at anytime seen The Real God [not the playing 'God or god'] before? please clear references and or proof.

The Real God sees everything from His Position above The Throne Supreme.


He doesn't have to be among the creatures in order to effectuate His Supremacy over the creatures.


read your Bible. then pick up a Quran to read.

there were many things the Thaliban did that i personally believe are against islam. one of them was depriving women of education. yet still others.

my statement in the earlier post was singling out women, but both men and women.

your using your wife as the example without starting from yourself shows that you do not know that men are just as prone to 'inappropriate' dressing, without any amount of lower degree. free your mind. let it be governed by the Laws and Commandments of The One God.

the rest of other aspects of your life will follow the same condition as your mind.

gej seems to be very archaic in his thought process for his young age.

he needs to step aside for an older man with better work ethics, youthful vigor and more progressive ideas, heading the country in the right direction.

the best days of nigeria may be yet to come, minus gej is a greater possibility, than his gloom and doom position he has boxed us in.

pastor ooo, a o yoo ee o, pastor ooo, a o yoo e.

o jii omo wa, oo fi nshee eru, pastor oo, a o yooo eee.


except that the weight of british justice falls to crush the evil doing of the pastor.

let other pastor learn from the failing of his comrade, especially when you live in london. m15 and m16 will get you.

^^^^ tell me if a person who disobeys God in a thing as simple as dressing up or down will obey God in a more complex Commandment, since such a person by his or her dress corrupts others, along with him/herself?


making up your own rule while discarding the rule of God is not a thing that brings benefit. God is not happy with that person, if only on that act.

God is the Sole Object of worship. Worshiping God starts from knowledge of Him; what He wishes that you do.

His Nature.

His Laws and Commandments.

How to approach Him and receive His favors.

If all the goodies or charms/family jewels are displaced for everyone to see, imagine the effect that has on others who are worshiping along with you?

If their hearts waiver from the true worship of God, you have played the devil who distracted them by your bringing out what you should have kept hidden.

Well, if you are worshiping Him in the way that he never Commands you in the first place, your tight clothing is just as bad as your way of worship.

If the heart is bad, manifestation of it to the rest of us who dont know what is in the heart may just be as plain as your clothing.


A truly sincere worshiper of God will not have his or her clothing as if painted on the body. Second skin does not have to be tight.

What God Yardstick for us is what he has Commanded. It is not up to you or i to say what God is looking at, but exactly what He says as Commandment to us. It is our obedience, which the dressing codes.

I hope you do not wear your underpant alone to the public claiming that God is more concerned about the content of the one's heart? The heart may be known by the clothing as God Wills it.

@yommyuk; there is no xtian and muslim war as i remember on this board. since i registered a heated argument or firm point of view is hardy a war.

war is a hostile fight with intention to terminate the life of the opponent or at least subdue his idea as he is subjected to the term of the victor.

there is no sincerity in an answer that is yes and no at the same time.

what is moderation, except what God Almighty classifies as "MODERATION"?



people say that they are good, except that they forget that "good" in reality is what God Almighty says it is "good".

^^^^^ the kingdom of heaven you said Jesus preached, is that different in purpose and or destination than what Noah for example preached to his community?

whats the difference, if you know? be specific, please.

what about it in comparison to what Abraham preached to his community, or what Moses preached? i could list each prophet before Jesus, and could you tell us that preached something different or inferior?

people with handicap are sign of the Creator, since fingers are not equal, we ought to be grateful to Him, if we have no handicap. if we have any we still need to be grateful because there is a condition that is worse.

consider if you have been made in that worst condition, as a human, you stil have to be grateful because you are not made a beast of the wild, etc.

^^^^ whats moderate in your tight cloth as if they were painted on your body?


yommy, you have a lot of explanation to give, unless tantinrin is moderate in your mind.

@Seyibrown: Oo le sun ko yen?


Is that fella your prophet? What Book of Guidance has he from God Almighty, while we know Torah was given to Moses [AS], Sabur to David {AS}, Injil of Jesus and not tthe injile of mark, matthew, john or luke was given to Jesus son of Mary [AS] and Quran was given to Muhammad Abdullah [AS]?

who is right; Jesus who said the laws of the old are valid, even upon him, or Paul who said the laws are in one shot nailed to the cross, therefore not applicable any longer?

this is the crock of the matter.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ how tall is the One whose image you are created in? Whats that image? how big are the eyes?

where did He create you so that you are able to know it is in His Image you are created? how do you conclude what you said, above?


where is a single unshakable proof?

@olaadegbu: i heard jesus said at the dinner table long before the 'crucifixion' that he finished all that God sent him to do. but the below is your task, unless you wanna put more pressure on your ego.

Who among the three spoke one or both of the last words below;

Jesus the anointed or Simon who carried the cross to the end after Jesus stumbled or Jesus the son of the father {bar abbas mean "son of the father"}?

1]. It is finished

2]. Father [Or God] to your Hands i commit my spirit.

@All; I want to know the truth, if olaadegbu is too timid to tackle this simple task. trip over one another in giving us which words were spoke by which person.

allah can be any god, even dollar or euro or naira as long thats your object of worship or desire over all things.

Allah however is a noun, the true Name of the One God Who is the Creator of all things. Allah had power over all things. so Olodumare, if that is what you call the Creator in this case, then yes, Allah is Olodumare. He is the Sustainer, Unique, existing alone before anything else long before the beginning. He has no parents or children. He never dies, never tired, never wary, never sleeps. He is capable all the time, while all depends on Him, He depends on no one,needing no assistance, full of Power and Might. Aware of all, Full of Knowledge.

He is not limited or bound by time. He is Alone in all Majesty. He is the Owner of the Throne Supreme. He is the Lord, Master and Judge of the Day of Judgment. He is unlike anything you could imagine.


His knowledge is not blemished that He will not know that a tree does not fruit out of season, obeying the law of God. When He wills a thing He but say to it 'Be' so [what He will] [it] 'Be' as willed. God does not need to eat. or do things that we human, creations do. God obeys no one or prays, etc to anyone.

God made good and evil. God by His infinite Mercy gives for mankind ability to differentiate the two from each other. Under the Obedience to God, we should do good and shun evil. Follow the prophet of your time. He is your leader in spirituality with guidance from God in the revealed book that he is given. The 2011 spiritual leader is the last prophet. Seek his revealed book out and it will guide you as the tool to know truth from falsehood, right from wrong, good from evil, guidance from misguidance, good deeds from bad deeds, what is of good merit from what is sinful.

This is similar to the true miracle performed by prophet of God [Moses] from the magic [illusion] performed by those in the court of Pharaoh. Truth is always victorious.

God loves and hates.

On Judgment Day, God will love those who will enter Paradise. He will from that Day onward show hatred on the the people who entered Hell for being disobedient, a True Justice from Him.


When i hear that God is love alone, we see ignorance in that statement, since Pharaoh was destroyed by Him, Pharaoh could not have been loved for his evil, the only reason he was destroyed.

God does not make anyone homosexual.


If you have the tendency, just dont carry it out.

Not acting on it will not make anyone or even yourself call you a homosexual.

Its like a person who realizes that he has the tendency to steal. If he never stole, he will not be called a thief. He will not call himself a thief you know.

Tendency is useless if controlled. You have to commit the "disliked" before you wear the label.

1 + 1 + 1 = 1

1 + 1 = 1 [when Jesus was supposed to have died]

But everything is still mystery. While it is the anchor of salvation, the God Who is not the Author of confusion left a great mystery that no one cant explain?

maybe this is the 3 in 1 or the 1 in 3?

God help us to find the truth by showing and leading us and make our feet be steadfast on the path that is straight, without any crookedness, mystery.

Every truth has clear proof. Falsehood lacks clarity. There is always a blindness in believing a lie, it is always a mystery.

[Quote]« #1 on: Today at 02:30:24 PM »

Very apt teaching. Indeed, God hates religion. Anything that is centred around religion is abominable to God.

As already pointed out, Jesus was not a "Christian". Jesus was God made flesh. In fact the word "Christian" was somewhat more of a derogatory term used to refer to those who were deemed to be like Christ. Jesus came to preach the good news about God's kingdom. He was about establishing a personal relationship between man and God. He was about reconciling the world and man to God.[/Quote]You just nailed Christianity to the cross! I guess jesus was not a jew, too. maybe he had other religion different from the Christians, since he put his face to the ground, with his bottom up in the air like muslims.

Was he a worshiper like moses, not bopping his head towards a wall like the jews of today?

What i will like to know is this, if jesus was God made flesh [may God forgive me. i am not of those who believe in God made flesh], what happened to God when that 'flesh' suffered and died? we all know that God is not bound by death which he creates to end the lives of human.

if jesus was preaching, where is the good news that he preached instead of 'the gospel according to'? can God Himself be on earth fostering the establishment of relationship between man [on earth] and God Who is always not on earth? which is the real God; the one on earth who says he is a servant sent or the God Who is not on earth at anytime? Which of the two is Always The Master, Always Good, since jesus said why call me good and i am sent to the nations of the jews?


Jesus said he finished the work he was giving, long time before the crucifixion. I am wondering why the Coptic christians making Pilate a saint, unless he released Jesus? why would they make a saint of the killer of Jesus? maybe Jesus bar aba s [son of the father], was killed instead, while the jewsish mishnah/talmut says that jesus was stoned?

You people abuse God your Creator by associating partners with Him. Trinity; is it One God in Three, or Three Gods in One? Consider what remained when you said Jesus died; Two God in Three [if you wish to say two, do so] or two Gods in One [if you wish to say One minus some part, do so]?

The Old Testament of the Jews, since this is the part of revelations that you accept as being earlier than what Jesus [as] brought, does not contain the Trinity concept.

Jesus called himself a servant/slave, messenger sent by God. Yet you fellas find a way to take him up to be equal to his Master, The One Jesus called "The Only One Who is God".


I summit to you that God is Perfect in all respects and needs no partner/s, human or angel or whatever you make up.

The hindus, and others who take physical object for what they they worship always say that they only use the 'idol' to get them closer to God, Who they will claim that they are truly worshiping, not minding what they do with the idol you see them bow their heads to.

should christians not learn and mend their way because what they are doing with Trinity, and or just Jesus is exactly like what the hindus are doing.

A truly good person is determined by obedience to God based on His Commandments, Laws an the Way He ordains we human should worship Him. The one who fails to follow The True Commands of The True God is lost indeed, similar to a child how abuses or ignores the parent while he shows off to the public that he is a generous man. The right of God is even greater than the right of the parent. So is the Mercy of God when a person finally repents.

The Jews stuck with the headmaster of 2 decades ago. Are they really following the headmaster of today?

The Christians stuck with the headmaster of last decade. Are they really following the headmaster of today?

The Muslims are sticking with the headmaster of today, and by instructions from this headmaster [as], we know that the former headmasters were good headmasters in their time. We do not deny their position as headmasters, in the same fashion as the present headmaster. Our followership of this present day headmaster qualifies us as followers of the old headmasters, too. For if we were in their time, we will definitely follow them, since they have the same essential objective as the headmaster we are under his authority, presently.


The concept of Trinity is an abuse of God Who created. Why cant you people acknowledge and obey Him, alone? It is similar to being ungrateful to your landlord, whose home you live in, but you decide to write the check for the rent to the man who is a tenant in another one of his homes in the other other town.

Imagine a god that cant do any good for him/itself. How can he/it manage to do good for you? This is similar to a situation in some ancient time, when an idol worshiper found his idol in the trash when he woke up in the morning to worship it. he was furious, knew somebody threw it in the trash, but promised to hurt the person if he ever caught him. The following morning, he found it in a dump, after he had tied a sword on the neck of the idol the night before telling it to defend itself if the idol abuser ever came back. This morning he was furious didnt know what to say, but put the idol back in its place anyhow.

the third morning he found the idol tied to the carcass of a dead dog. He finally stepped out of the box, realized that if this god cant do anything to protect itself, how does it benefit the worshiper.

Ibrahim [as] as a teenager was able to realize that God is One and not an idol or anything seen here on earth. Jesus affirmed the same thing, just like every prophet [as] did.

Stepping out of the box may just be what you need. May God Almighty show you the right path. Amin. Dont make God Almighty slices like pie or pizza.

@Seyibrown; thanks. i hope you are doing well, to.

[Quote]The remainder of that conversation is saying that you had to come to Jesus with 'a clean unbiased mind' like children;

believing, accepting and trusting.[/Quote]there is no where the bold is written or can be understood in that passage. what can be understood at best are two folds;

1]. Children are naive and lacking wisdom to acquire what will make them enter the heaven of the bible. so let them come to acquire it.

or

2]. You older people, you have to be as innocent, obedience to command of your prophetic leader, sinless, etc as the children in order to be able to
enter the heaven of the Bible.


in either case, especially of the latter, the children if sinless kills the 'origin of sin' concept. this also destroys the concept that Jesus is responsible for everyone, while many people in generations under past prophets must have some people who received mercy, without Jesus' presence.

below are other waysf the same verse is written;




New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But Jesus called for them, saying, "Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

International Standard Version (©2008)
Jesus, however, called for the children and said, "Let the little children come to me, and stop keeping them away, because the kingdom of God belongs to people like these.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
But Jesus called the infants to him and said, "Don't stop the children from coming to me! Children like these are part of the kingdom of God.

and jesus connected in worship solely to the same One God.

i'm wondering if the first man [Adam [as]] who knew the One God Who created him worshiped trinity?

i am also curious if he passed the worship of trinity on to his mate [Eve] and or his children?


we know that he connected in worship, solely to the One God that created him.