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@divinereal: « #52 on: Yesterday at 05:17:42 PM »
[Quote]Here we go again with the same old lines from the Muslim apologists. I will concede that marrying child brides was the norm in Semite, western and probably global culture. So was slavery, infanticide, human sacrifice and other despicable atrocities that humans inflict on one another. Now if the premise of your position is that your Prophet Mohammed was supposed to have been speaking Gods word in the form of the Quran, then don't you think your "Allah" who is lord of all worlds and is omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence would be aware of the negative effect of such practices on humanity?? If this was a message for all time wouldn't the divine Allah have been aware that there are absolute morals that transcend time and location?[/Quote]A good response may help you understand the timeless conditions in the Quran.



[Quote]In my research on Islam Mohammed did a lot to establish some reasonable order in warring, fiercely tribal 7th century Arabia. However, he committed and propagated innumerable despicable immoral acts in the process including but not limited to genocide, pedophilia, sexism, violation, murder etc etc.[/Quote]could you tell one such tribe that the genocidal atrocity was committed against. If you have details of what caused the "crime" committed, please share it. A pedophile never married their victims. He or she never just committed the act of pedophilia with just one victim. The victim always say he or she was victimized. Who was the victim of my beloved Messenger Muhammad (AS)? Has any condition ever occurred where sexual victim married, loved and never accused or complained against her violator, even after his death? That was not a victim, if she didnt raise cane, cried out. Will a pedophile leave a victim, potential or active victim living with him without violating her for 3 years, until she was actually a person who reached the age of puberty? Yet he had married her all those 3 years? In all my life experiences, when a wife is sick, as long it is not a painful sickness or terminal in nature, as long as she is relatively healthy, there is almost always sexual relationship, with the husband. The usual "I have a headache" excuse, is not always viable. Hence to accuse a man who married a mature bride, fully woman in every respect, including today's standard of pedophilia, is utter nonsense, if not complete ignorance on the part of the accuser. Consider over 1400 plus years ago. In the late 1960s of Nigeria, do hardly find a 25 year old single lady, except that she is under family pressure to produce grand children. And today, a 30 year old woman thinks she is a "girl". Just Imagine that! What is sexism about a man giving the right of existence to young girls, in a culture that used to bury them alive? What is sexism about a man who gave women the right of inheritance when they used to be properties before then? What is sexism about a man who gave men and women equal right and responsibility towards their God? What is sexism about a man who actually says a woman can petition for divorce which was unheard of in the western countries until the early 1950s? What is sexism about a man who actually voiced out what is already known about the power, or energy or strength difference between man and woman? What is sexism about a man who says a wife is a mate of her husband, and the reverse is the same for husband to the wife? What is sexism about a man who says a man gets 2 parts of what his sister gets, when it is a known fact that most men are responsible for most women, mother, aunt, sister, wife, daughter, etc?



[Quote]Islam in my opinion is sanctified 7th century Arabic culture. Who are you or your religion to tell others to cover up with a veil?[/QUote]This is the order of the religion, just like it is order of the society that you dont walk out of your house in the broad daylight into the city square butt naked! it is a matter of morality. Throw on some cloth man. Have some sense of decency.



[Quote]What makes that holy or pious?? My skin crawls with disgust when I see Nigerian women in hijabs/niqabs and the like parading around like they are in Arabia.[/Quote]To be bashful is not in your moral psyche, which is the reason your skin crawls. Those women are pearls. You know how expensive natural pearls are? You know the amount of labor the harvesters put in to get a pearl from the oyster? Do you know how much labor is employed in getting a troy ounce of Gold, or any amount of diamond, or platinum, etc? In each it is tremendous, the reason each is expensive, a gem, a precious thing. Consider if any of them is just like lay out on the top soil, in any local. Consider it is like mere dirt, the one outside your frontage. Will it have any value? Look at women like that. Women are more precious. The sincerely covered up women for the pleasure of Allah are the most precious among them. Imagine if your spouse goes out to the market in her undergarment, without any top! What will be her value to the community when she enters the market?



[Quote]Please address these facts in your "holy book" and stop moving the post.
Take solace, I debunk and criticize the morality, doctrines and theology of all Abrahamic Middle Eastern religions not just Islam.
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176).[/Quote]Regardless of how wealthy my women folks are, each of them, I will always love to provide for. This is inert in real men. I dont know about you, I spend on my women, and I dont let them spend on me, as much. This is a good reason for man to get twice, so that he can still care for his sister, and others.



[Quote]Sura (2:222) “They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean.”[/Quote]It means dont have intercourse with her. Ask women in your life about the condition of menstruation. Some women have extreme pain at this time. She may even faint. Does it make any sense that you must sleep with her at that time, which is similar in difficulty to labor pain or even the exact time of giving birth?



[Quote]Sura 4:43 “Muslims, draw not near unto prayer…(if) ye have touched women…then go to high clean soil and rub your face and your hands.” (Muslim women are pariahs and dirty).”[/Quote]This also applies to women, who are muslims. Touch women or women touch men is intercourse. It means after sexual intercourse, dont go into Prayer unless you cleanse yourself off that sexual impurities. It is mercy that if there is no water, they do just what is commanded by using clean soil to attain the purification. What is wrong with the instruction, if I may ask you? Are you saying it is not necessary to clean up, after sex? You live in a hot climate. Sex has its own smell. Are you that dirty that you find it unacceptable that cleanliness is recommended after sex?



[Quote]Sura (5:6) - ", if ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it."
Sura (2:228) - "And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.”[/Quote]What is this "a degree" of advantage except that it is "Power"? Most men are by and large more powerful than their women partner[s]. I hope you see fit to protect your women folks, not hiding or running away in the time of danger, leaving them all by themselves to go through the possibility of survival or getting hurt? Some men are even worse in lack of courage than a like child seeing a stranger when their comfort blanket, a family member is not around.



[Quote]Sura (4:11) - God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females. (see also Sura 4:176)
Sura (4:176) “They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. , if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female.”
Sura (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." (i.e. Angels, the sublime beings, can only be male.)[/Quote]The bold is not true. The Angels are gender neutral. However, the masculine "he" is used for them because it is carrying a more powerful condition than she, considering that a single angel, if God Almighty permits him can do any and all that he is permitted. Angels are supernatural beings, hence the masculine gender pronoun is appropriate.



[Quote]Sura (37:149-155) “Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? Is it not that they say, from their own invention, "God has begotten children"? but they are liars! Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with you? How judge ye? Will ye not then receive admonition?”[/Quote]This is self explanatory by the bold. Allah The Almighty is saying the claimants are liars. The above simple says that the liars by their own inventions; the pagan arabs said Allah has daughters, while the Christians and Jews who should have known better that Allah has them as children, Ezra as son of Allah, Jesus son of Mary as begotten son of Allah, while they all say Angels are females, when they were not witnesses of their creations, and the Arab pagans gave by their lies daughters to Allah, they must have chosen son for themselves, considering that i have said earlier and above that they used to bury their daughters alive. My man, I think you are a good man. Use your goodness to understand what shall be a light of guidance for your soul. Investigate Islam with good heart. Where your thinking cap when you read Quran.



[Quote]Bukhari 7:62:132
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a:
The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day." (Ideally when you flog one of your wives, let her recuperate that day and sleep with your other wives or your slave girls.)[/Quote]Considering that the messenger [AS} never flogged his wife, then the above is very suspicious. I will imitate Muhammad {AS} on this matter, rather than a questionable statement. If a woman was to be flogged, Muhammad would have done it. Since he didnt do it, I will not do it.



[Quote]Fewer seats for women in Allah's Paradise
Islamic Scriptures inform us that most Muslim women will go to hell.
The Quran:
Sura (37:22-23) Those who did wrong will go to hell, and their wives will go with them (no matter how they behaved).”[/Quote]These two bold parts oppose each other and the common understanding of Islam, a religion that speaks of individual responsibility as to ending up in hell fire or paradise. If anyone, male or female is an evil doer and he receives no forgiveness, it is he or she that shall end up in hell fire and the spouse is not going to be forced to go just because of being a spouse. Good well known example of a wife in hell while husband shall be in paradise is the case of Prophet Lot, and his disloyal wife. Good example of husband in hell while wife shall be n Paradise is the case of Asiah, and her evil tyrannical husband Pharaoh that perished in the exodus flood.



[Quote]From Hadith:
Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).[/Quote]Regarding the bold, women also comprise the majority of earth's occupants. In population aggregate men will have their share just as well. Consider the men who are not muslims just for our case study. Do you think they will end up in Muslim's paradise without being muslims? A person who is not in paradise of the muslims, being male or female is in hell. There is no other option, you know. May God Almighty prevent us from being in hellfire. Amin.



[Quote]Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."[/Quote]The bold is a lesson you will learn when you become a husband. Your sophisticated wife may say that she is the one that cultured you when she is angry, forgetting that she loved you without her culturing you at first, long before she got angry at you, the reason she is now reminding you that you were a cave man before she polished you up. You on the other hand will be very careful not to upset her when she is calling you a monkey, or worse, offering you banana instead of inviting you to a meal on the table. If you offend her more than that, you can forget a warm embrace in bed, but a cold shoulder, if she didnt make you a bed in the guest room or banishing you to the couch in the living room. If Muhammad [AS} said that over 1400 years ago, the present day is seeing it plainly. The english people say hell has no fury like a woman scorned. Muhammad {AS} had advised well. Listen to his advise. Each of his advises, if you find any coming from him, take it. Your wife in the west can get a police to get you out of the house. She can change the lock. She can even change your child's name. And you cant do anything about it. Is there anything more humiliating. Is there anything more demeaning, showing ingratitude, when she actually is called by her father's name? If any of these is happening today, which in reality it does, then Muhammad {AS} was correct in the case by case cases where they do happen.



[Quote]"Among the inmates of Heaven women will be the minority" (Sahih Muslim 36: 6600)
"I (Mohammed) have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women, [because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence" (Sahih Bukhari: 2:18:161; 7:62:125, ).[/Quote]If I compound the situation of women in the west having the advantage over their normal men, after crunching the numbers, Muhammad [AS} is 100% correct. Just imagine a man who worked so hard and gotten wealthy, then gets married, after such success. If there is no prenuptial agreement, she gets 50% of the wealth, even if she divorces you after a short period of time. If you have a prenup, you may keep some more wealth. You will not get out of it, without getting hurt. Look at Tiger Woods. I know what he did is unIslamic. But just look. I am sure Tiger or Tiger's mom may wish the ex wife some lesser comfort under their breathe. I am just using it as a form of illustration. I am certain it is your type of men that will wish your ex wife evil after she ended up with 50% of your assets.

[Quote]« #10 on: March 02, 2010, 07:58 PM »
Nope, they aren't the same.]This is the only thing said by the responder that make any sense about Islam relative to Christianity.



[Quote]Christianity borrowed heavily from Judaism, and with full attribution; Christianity presents itself as an improvement over Judaism, and a completion of promises in the Hebrew & Aramaic scriptures.

Islam, hahaha. Heavy plagiarist religion,[/Quote]The bold is the most absurd, considering that a plagiarist will at least not challenge the original source, and or accuse it of corruption.



[Quote]which, despite the advantage of more than 400 years, couldn't do better than weird desert nomad stories and patently ridiculous ideas passed down from an illiterate merchant[/Quote]Could you at least name one such patently ridiculous idea. This is calling you out as your accusation is baseless.



[Quote]who first married a rich cougar, and then descended to depravity by entertaining a little girl of 9 years with his plumbing equipment.
.[/Quote]Today in the western countries, we have their elites males marrying wives or dating women much older and very much younger. A female or male who reaches the age of puberty is considered an adult in Islam. In today's western countries a person under 18 years old, with the consent of the parent[s] can be married. The Jews even today consider the age of 13 is the age of maturity, the reason they have the Barmitva ceremony. Its lack of understanding of world cultural values and differences, in the specific time and place, are the driving forces for nimshi to have arrived at what he arrived, above.

I just saw a thread saying that an over 30 years old woman is under pressure to get married. Let go back some 40 years ago of Nigeria. A woman who was not a mother at 30 would have been deemed all kinds of titles [tyc], not just being under pressure. In the western countries, 30 plus years may just be considered the beginning the real youth and period of motherhood, depending on what sort of career path she is in. I say this to say a 9 year old in 1400 years ago in any culture could have been an adult, considering the case of immortality with the Pidgmis of Congo or the Kurukuru or Kukuyu people of Kenya, even today.[/quote]

^^^^ If Yahweh is your Creator, then the bit about "all things were made by him [the son]", becomes a point that is not valid.

My prayers is that all who are truly in their hearts in love with God, wishing to be right by Him will find the very path that God has ordained before the individuals die. Amin.

Love is a very powerful thing in the heart.

@Olaadegbu: While passionately the non muslims, especially the christians postuate that Islamic Paradise filled with physical things for enjoyment is not real, do you have any evidence from the Bible or anywhere else to advance your christian concept of its myth?

Was the garden that Adam and Eve resided myth, too, according to the christian?

Since you have not been in the garden, just as the inspired writers have not, how can you make such audacious pronouncement that you cant support?

Muhammad [as] had been there and being a beloved of God is an authority of what he saw that your sets of derivtiives of conjecture. Just because some quacks left islam, is not an additional reason to taut your make belief of the after life.

let me ask you if you believe that Adam and Eve were forgiven their sin while still on earth, if if they died sinners?

then explain to me the role of jesus in the lives of these two people, expressing it in the light of the only wrong they committed.

when you are able at least give us the biblical, rather the christian position on this, i can tell you that jesus was just a simple human messenger or you can by your own admission that Yahweh loves man less than jesus ever loved man.

this is your choice.

Jesus son of Mary [as] stands on his own by the Mercy of his Lord Who sent him.

Whatever people say to defame him (as) means zero in the scale of reality. His Lord is Sufficient as his Witness.

@The discussants; please forgive me, but the prophet [as] is ummiyyin [cant read or write according to the Quran being unlettered]. how is the hadith of pen and paper is supposed to come alive? was he going to dictate to people or write by himself? if dictating, our messenger [as] would with the same strength of asking for pen and paper speak so that people may hurry up to hear it and either pass it on orally, or orally as well as writing it down. what happened there at the "hadith of pen and paper" shall will not say it is Allah's Will that we did not know what could have been? is it possible that Umar [ra] could have intentionally, without knowing what the messenger [as] was going to "write" [writing is not a quality of the unlearned] prevented it? can anyone prevent the divine happening, already written?

also was suratul Taubah not revealed, to the messenger as other surahs or piece of revelation of the Quran, orally? since the prophet [as] could not write, didnt the scribes who he instructed to write as he recited, wrote them down? Or is surah Taubah came differently, that it was given to Abu Bakr [ra] as stated above, without anyone ever hearing it, but to be delivered to them, all together, muslims to hear it for the first time?

did i miss something here? i want to be corrected. are we saying that delivering the surah Taubah to "the Quraish" was to mean the commandment not let them come to the Kaaba after that year, but muslims have already learned the Surah, already? in that mission to deliver surah Taubah to the Quraishi leaders who were pagans, the commission was passed to Ali [ra]? either way, Ali was the one who slept on the bed of the messenger, remaining behind to administer the trust to the trustors in Makka of what the messenger [as] was trustee, while Abu Bakr [ra] was the companion in the hijr to Madina.

May Allah help our hearts and steady them on the righteous path.

^^^^^^ lol. Olaadegbu. Oodu wa lenu iwo man yi.

[Quote]« #430 on: Yesterday at 05:05:50 PM »

The First Coming of Jesus Christ was to save, justify, cleanse, purify, redeem, deliver and transform.[/Quote]What a mild Jesus. And what happened to the Another comforter who shall hear what God commanded, and merely repeated it, which must contain nothing of his own, or removing from it? I say he will be like a drone, 100% controlled by God. A slave or servant I say, pick your preferred word to describe him, if you will. This alone, shows that the entity must be a person, and not a god or part of trinity. You are to answer this and show us who that person was if you are preaching to us. Proof is required, with pure evidence.



[Quote]At His Second Coming He is coming to smite, judge, conquer, punish, reign, destroy and thresh the winepress of God's wrath. His action in His Second Coming would be to smite, not to save; to destroy, not to develop; to crush, not to cleanse; to eliminate, not to enlighten; to punish, not to purify; to judge, not to justify; to reign, not to redeem.[/Quote]Before the second coming, you need to tell us what happened to the Another comforter he promised? How did the disciples forget so quickly that they needed a corrector to steer them on the right course, reminded them what was just said even less than 3 months before and heap praises on Jesus? Were they already abusing him, insulting him, debasing him? Shouldnt the Another Comforter be appearing to those who dont know Jesus, and or those who are already astray from the Gospel of Jesus, containing his real message, without any adulteration? Finally how did a mild manner man became a hard and wild man? What is responsible for this 180 degrees personality change? Is this all up to him or his Sender?



[Quote]This is the time for salvation, if you delay tomorrow may be too late.[/Quote]Soul search man. Then apply this to yourself, when you tackle the above two opinions.

@Upbendel: #272 on: Today at 02:12:23 PM »
[Quote]What??[/Quote]Read the posts of Segunjowo; #183, Lagosboy; #206, Safari SA; #s 209 and 215. Success should be more than periphery. It should include the depth. In this case, it should be different from business as usual. The process and aftermath should matter.

Olaadegbu is absorbed in self delusion or true ignorance.

Even the Bible cant vouch safe that Jesus was not sinless. After all, from the Bible he asked for forgiveness. How is that possible that God Almighty The All Powerful needs anyone to die for others?

A muslim said it shows that the Christians are saying that Jesus loved mankind than how much God Almighty loves mankind and even loves Jesus who He sent to a somewhat reluctant mission of death. So you see the verse saying that Christian God loves the world would be wrong. So is the verse that says Christian God loves Jesus.

Olaadegbu lacks the ability to understand the time in a snap shot.

In a society where there are established laws and accountability, if any election, primary or otherwise is run by incumbent with pubic money or trust, such a candidate will have himself in hot soup. If GEJ used his position as the President to bribe or arm string the delegates of his party to get their vote, the nation should launch an inquiry and if found to have compromised the situation, he should be indicted and be prosecuted under the laws of Nigeria.

It is a crime to abuse the office for personal gain. Any evidence should have the guilty party out of the public life for ever, if only that.

@Hymen: A woman delivered a twin birth in two years; 2010 and 2011. How many pregnancies, except 1?

This is similar to when Allah say He created heavens and earth in 6 days.

When you read about the creation of heavens and earth, you will at least see that were one unit, before they were cleaved apart. Creation of these two objects were simultaneous, taking up two days. Allah beautified the earth for you to see for 4 days. If you, a human being can do multiple things at the same time, like walk and chew gum, or talk and type, or sit and think, or even many of these and more all in the same time, do you expect your Creator not to be able to handle just as much?

@Hymen: « #329 on: Yesterday at 08:26:42 PM »
[Quote]Please note that I love muslims and I feel many aspects of Islam are divinely inspired.{/Quote]I pray to Allah that you will realize that divine inspiration, benefiting you, while you are still on this plain, so that the benefit will continue to the other plain, where we shall meet our Maker, singly without help against Him. Amin.


[Quote]I'm posting this in response to your post above.
Here are a few contradictions in Quran I can pick from the top of my head:
1. Sura 54:19 mentions Aad was destroyed in a day but 69:6,7 mentions Aad was destroyed in seven nights and eight days;[/Quote]Allah says in verse in 54/19 "Indeed, We sent upon them a screaming wind on a day of continuous misfortune,". As I read this, it means that calamity begins on that day when the screaming wind descended on them. Continuous misfortune part gave an inclination that it didnt end with just the screaming wind that started it. You only get the length of the period of misfortune, as it continued and lasted for 7 Nights and 8 Days. This is very clear since 54/19 did not elaborate, except that it gave a beginning and stated that it continued, which length you will get at 69/6,7.
A poor illustration of current event that help to make it clearer is the US shock and Awe night over Baghdad which ushered in the war that is still going on, a human created misfortune on another human.


[Quote]2. Sura 19:17 shows an angel appeared to Mary but 3:42 shows several angels appeared;[/Quote]Surah 19/17 did not mention Angel or Angel (Malaika or Malaikatu). It says "Ruhana fa ta mathala laha basharan", Spirit (Gabriel) appearing to her in form of a man (Bashar). Thats what she saw. How many other Angels present? She didnt see them, but Allah the Sender knew their numbers. This is similar to Angels were commanded to prostrate to Adam (AS). The One who didnt prostrate was Iblis. He was said to be a disbeliever by such an action and others. A casual observer may take Iblis to be an Angel, therefore. But Surah Kahf let us know when the story was repeated that Iblis, is a Jinn, who happened to be in the company of the Angels, therefore commanded just as well. Surah 19/17 does not disagree with  Surah 3/42, each is a piece of the collage of a complete story. Allah gives them in piece meal so that at the end the story is vivid and people who Allah give wisdom will understand it.


[Quote]3. Sura 28:40 mentions pharaoh drowned and died but 10:92 states that the same pharaoh was saved[/Quote]The body was simply saved, for two reasons. The less obvious was to calm down the anxious children of Israel who looked at the lifeless body of their arch enemy laying out on the back, in the Egyptian side. They definitely know that the enemy is now dead and will not be running after them to return them to the life that they hated. The very obvious reason is recorded in the Quran, that was stated at the time of his soul is being extracted, being at that time becoming a believer, Allah says his body will be "saved" as a sign, a clear example of the end of evil doers. Whats so interesting here is that when people see the body or picture of this once powerful man, no one pays attention to the fact that he is naked, placed where ever he is placed, a far cry from what he used to be him, in manner of loftiness and grandeur. That is the end of evil doer. Look at Ariel Sharon of Israel; weathering away. Very similar to this same Pharaoh. Go on Youtube, you will see the eerie similarity.


[Quote] Like my grandmother used to say - everyone believes his fathers farm is the biggest in the world.  Don't get emotional. Stay logical
.Salaam.[/Quote]Grandma is a wise woman. I hope she is alive, still. May Allah guide her to Islam, through you, as He guided my women folks. Amin.[/quote]

@Olaadegbu; [QUote]"Allah said: O Isa [Jesus], I am going to terminate [to put to death] the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me."[/Quote]The bold does not occur in the Quran. Allah says in Surah Nisaa, they did not kill him, they did not crucify him. . . . .

How did you get your 'terminate' to mean 'to put to death' is your own conjecture. Olaadegbu, ko si ooto lenu e.

Olaadegbu will post all kinda verses, including the ones that Titus and company (like Coutts and Company) 'Said', heaping all of them on jesus. Did Jesus preached Acts, Titus, John, Mark, Matthew, etc or his own Gospel? Where is the Gospel that he preached; The Gospel of Jesus, directly?

In it, we shall find that jesus was just a man of God. the prophet of Almighty Allah.

I am shocked that the white cops didnt arrest the mother for being simply drunk, which is a lewd act, a crime deserving a time in jail. it is at least a misdemeanor, a disturbance of public peace.

Compound that with the cops seeing blood on you, except if they have a great phobia of islam, extremely biased, she should have been charged for it. she would not have escaped it, except if you do not want to press charges.

What state is this, that the police didnt do something about it?

i dont thnk the mother is a muslim,, the reason she consumes alcohol, in a way that there is no denying it.

Lets know what state in the Union that you are in, before a possible solution can be charted, even if it only advice. May Allah make it easy for you and bring relief, after this difficulty. Amin.

But in Islam, everyone is presumed innocent, until proven guilty.

Lawyering is good in the west. There is nothing antithesis of it to Islam. Protection of the less privileged or accused. Everyone should have his day.

@Olaadegbu: [Quote]Are you now departing from our agreed terms of reference? I thought we are talking of the One God who created all things, are you now confessing that Allah is different from Yahweh who is also known as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?[/Quote]Allah is encompassing all, being not just the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, alone, but all, before Abraham and after Jacob. You limit God too much. Same ideology when you said Jesus promised a comforter, who will teach, lead, etc. Since the ghost cant even speak, I guess Jesus' prediction has not been fulfilled, or I say you limit his prediction to just immediate, but not to the real Comforter, 630 years. later, which is just immediately in the span of human history.

Olaadegbu, you need to sharpen your thinking as you should be sharpening your yoruba. Awa lawa lo fun e. Eru Olorun Oba is always a majority.

^^^Allah did not just give verse 71 in isolation of other previous verses but it and 72 are continuance and part of the story about mankind; muslims and non muslims. read from where the story of mankind begins, just few verses before.

the evil doers to be left in hell fire shall be those who are not muslims and the individuals who say they are objects of worship, alone or along with Allah.

in the above cases you have boxed yourself in hellfire, and ignorantly boxed jesus son of mary at the same time. except that jesus will deny your position of him, getting away from hell, in under the same mercy as i, a muslim shall. Allah is the Owner of Mercy that we seek.

Ignorance of Olaadegbu borders on arrogance. Arrogance is what led satan away from the Mercy of Allah.

While Muhammad (AS) yielded his fate to Allah, the Quran is littered with verses of Paradise for believers; muslims, definitely muminu and definitely Prophets. Muhammad [as] a prophet with any doubt. Quran confirms his position as the messenger of God; Muhammad Rasulullah!

The same Muhammad gave good news to many of his companions [ra] of their admittance to Paradise.

In surah Waqiah, it was stated that only a few from the later generations will enter Paradise. Muhammad petitioned by supplication to Allah. In the very Surah, Allah later abrogate that verse with both early generations and later generations, large number shall enter Paradise. Do we have to spell it out to you, especially when Allah Himself defends Muhammad, through the Quran?

When yahweh defends a person he throws him into the lake of fire?

@Olaadegbu: « #406 on: Today at 04:09:07 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: OLAADEGBU on January 06, 2011, 09:27 PM
Yes. We've been able to establish and come to an agreement:

* That there is One God who is the Creator of all things.



* That Jesus of Nazareth is a prophet of God.



* That Moses is a prophet of God


* That we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God


* That Jesus was conceived supernaturally and was born of the Virgin Mary



But for some reason you seemed to have developed cold feet when answering the questions on the nature of our sinfulness and how the spiritual nature of the 10 commandments addresses it.

I am still waiting for you to tell me what we call someone who has lied.

Are you still there?

For some reason it looks as if some of you don't accept that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God point above. Let's address this before we move on shall we?

The Bible teaches us that we all have the sin nature that makes us obey the law of sin and death. This is the reason we all sin, get sick and suffer and eventually die. We all have the tendency to commit sin when the opportunity presents itself to us. We are attracted toward sin just as a moth is attracted toward a unclothed flame, and that is why we are sinners by nature.

The 10 commandments addressess the spiritual nature of our sinfulness that no one is righteous before God. Let's leave the sin nature at birth for a moment and concentrate on what you believe, that is, the sins in your actions. Sin means the transgression of the Law, and since you all agree that you have all sinned in your adult life except you want to claim that you have not broken the Law of Moses, what will be your fate If God judges you by the Law of Moses (whom you believe is a prophet of God) on Judgment Day, will you be innocent or guilty?[/Quote]The law of Moses is not the all encompassing in the lives of Muslims. Quran is, primarily and its exegesis is the AUTHENTIC HADITH. From your above, muslims have succeeded by saying God is One, and no graven image or worship of anyone else or lack of Sole Acknowledgment of God is permissible. Muslim act exactly like Jesus, praying in Salah, having One God, etc. If you make the same prostration protocol that Jesus made, if you can get its completeness, that shall be the exact muslim salah in the Quran, already. And from the above, you have killed Trinity by the 1 Commandments. Muslims will die and be raised up. There is only one death for Believers [true Muslims] and disbelievers, alike. After the resurrection, Judgment to Paradise or Hell.

You actually condemned Biblical Jesus with the 10 Commandments; he died because of his sinfulness, lacking righteousness, according to you. Everyone therefore depends on the Mercy of God. the Muslims are hopeful of that Mercy which they are eager to receive on the Day of Judgment. Jesus is full of hope, just in the same manner. Finally, the Muslims are not under your Biblical bondage. It is not a Book revealed by God. Who was the receiver, therefore?

oh. ayusman16. under baby bush, he declared his afghanistan invasion as 'crusade' until hamzah yusuf advised him to change it, if he must fight, though he advised him against fighting.

Crusade. man. it doesnt get more christian than that. the army of jesus and the army of yahweh. arent they the same?

@ayusman16: « #5 on: Yesterday at 02:13:58 PM »
[Quote][ Now compare what is happening in ngr, egypt, pakistan and other countries whr xtians are being killed and churches being bombed by Islamist using Allah's name as these acts ar pepertrated. Deep down, u guys know d truth.[/Quote]To the bold, yes. Pick a time of the 3 invasions; desert storm in 91, desert shield just after it, the operation iraqi freedom that is still going on, go on google, you will see on the ammos where Jesus name was written by the military personnel. they even say that these are gifts from jesus, the death that the iraqis will experience, and further that the dead should say hello to Allah.

If christianity is not violence, then there is nothing to violence. John Ashcroft even said their God is a better God than The God of Islam. And a general said their God is Bigger than Allah.

A congressman said they should wipe out Makka to set example to Muslims. Well you now tell after your research. Its a challenge, man.

We Muslims had quietly and secretly prayed they try to attack Makka, so that The Lord of Kaaba et them know Who is the Owner of Power, just as He did it for Abraha in the year of the Elephant Army operation invasion of Makka, and they suffered the greatest defeat that man had ever known.

You didnt know a think in 1990, I imagine? No wonder you keep defending christianity on this issue. And I didnt mention the Spanish inquisition, nor the worldwide empire expansions and conquest of the European powers; the colony grab runs.

thehomer is weak in thinking and logical argument, except that he is stubborn and hard nosed.

my opinion is based on my letting her know that there is at least UFO under the heavens, and he ignorantly equated it to indicate that am saying that Angel must be a genie/ufo.

i will not respond to him on any of his silly premises, again. youth is almost similar to lack of experience and ability to peel of the onion layers to the truth n this case.

@ayusman16; christianity, when it shows violence, it is mega violence.

i wish you understand even today; no yellow cake, no alluminium tubing, no weapons of mass destruction in iraq.

yet she was invaded and she was broken. less than 4,000 died, close to 1 million iraqi have been killed, raped while the rapists were wearing the cross, full of holy ghost, given their lives to jesus and have god as their father.

iraq was bombed back to the time of the city of ur, almost. with all of that, they are trying to give them christianity.

oh. i did not talk about afghanistan or the suffering of palestenians under the hammer hands of zionists, while almost all christians became blind, deaf and dumbs!

this is going on right now. i left nigeria alone because the civil war had 2 architects; jack and nnamde. both are christians.

how do you like this, while i am not freeing the muslims from their own evil deeds, taking the position of jesus of turning the other cheek, which you have abandoned, just as well as abandoning the positions of Moses and Muhammad (AS). muslims are not angels, but christians are more devlish in this quarter.

@daylae: « #11 on: Yesterday at 02:44:36 PM »
[Quote]Well, you and vadex are the two yoruba muslim from the south;and sure,that makes you both the majority,abi? What's the logic?[/Quote] dele! dele!! dele!!! mo nilati pee e leemeta, ko le teti e sile lati fi gbo nkon. Ni ile yoruba, sheee enyan meji ti o je imale ni emi ati vadexcool ni?

Oo mo nko ti o nso lenu. Awon egba, awon ibadan, awon oyo, ogbomosho, ati bebe lo, kiriyo ni kaa pee won ni, abi imale? Awon ekiti papa ti ndi imale. o je lo mo nko to nlo ni ile yoruba.

@TheHomer; « #20 on: Today at 10:31:16 PM »
[Quote]Don't mistake my sarcasm for agreement with your proposal. Who says man came out of an ape? You simply do not understand the theory of evolution. I advice you to look it up. Adam? Do you not see that these "coincidences" of characters especially when one religious faith comes before another is more than coincidence can explain?[/Quote]apply the 'is more than coincidence can explain' creation and its Creator, a relationship you probably think does not exist or not in fullness of it as people like me proclaim it.


[Quote]You've known about her? Good for you. So what if one Iranian Ayatollah has a doctorate in Philosophy? Did you know that Catholic Bishops too are well educated? What's the relevance of your reference to George Bush in this?[/Quote]Karen's opinion, is just that. Her own opinion, quite different from the reality. Where ever you may be located on earth, there is something or somebody directly opposite you, whose feet or base will be directly pointing to yours. While neither of you fall away from the earth, yet the earth is moving in two intricate ways. The Holder of you in place is not you, not an unknown, but God Almighty Who has made all the forces acting on you and in you to be at equilibrium. Glory to Him.


[Quote]Temper tantrum? Are you saying Islam has no myths? Have you looked at mythical creatures like angels, how about creating humans from a clot?[/Quote]It is a myth because you dont believe it. You want to see it am sure. A young child told her classmate once in response to the teacher who said God does not exist because you cant see Him, asking if anyone in the class had seen the brain of the teacher. On Youtube, a clear figure with wings in very brilliant light is recorded at it appears prostrated on the top of the Kaaba. Do Angels and Genie exist? You bet.

If you are truly a scientist, I wonder why you dont believe that there could be other beings, like aliens, which many call UFOs, and possible beings in other planets?

^^^^^^^ Seyibrown with her jokes. Okeymadu is a christian. I am a muslim. You heard the woman talking about her being a born again christian. i am offering Allah, my Creator and your Creator. The One Who will recreate you, even your finger tips which is unique to you.

It is Allah The Almighty Who is The Owner of Power that created satan, jinn and all things. He is the Owner of Night and Day, Sleep and Wide Awake. Is there anything Allah can not do for this sister in need of Help?

When Jesus was in need, he turned to Elo in Syric, the same in meaning as Arabic Allah. I simply asked the woman to do the same, while you are asking her, as as she had remain to go through Jesus, again. You need Allah for real. We all need Him, instead of baal of many versions.

What if he had nothing to do with any of the elements of divinity heaped on his, especially when it is obvious that he said "why call me good? the Only One Who is Good is not on earth"? Will a real chairman of a company be a subordinate to the real Chairman of the same company? Are there 2 chairman? I know it should be chairman, but I'm observing the Trinitarian way of expressing 1 complete God when in reality they say there are 3 separate and fully independent entities of God[s]. When people use their brain and apply reasons, it is a natural conclusion to arrive, morally that Yahweh and Jesus, if are only considered shall be two Gods. When you add the inactive Ghost arriving at the Trinity, there shall be nothing less than 3 Gods.

Shall we heap these nonsensical on a Prophet of God, who is a son of man, saying that he is not to be called "good"? The nonsense belong to the writers of the nonsense, confusions and we must acquit Jesus son of Mary, the messenger and prophet of God.

[Quote]« on: February 19, 2007, 12:21 PM »

I just came accross this on the net and i think it will drop some questions on those who doubt that Jesus Christ is who He said he is. Enjoy.

In discussing his apologetic method, C. S. Lewis once stated that he usually found the aut Deus aut malus homo quite useful in demonstrating the validity of Christ's claims.1 The argument, which is summed up in this Latin phrase ("Either God or a bad man", points out that, if Christ's claims were false, then he could not have been a good man, since he thought of Himself as God. This "liar, lunatic, or Lord" argument was summarized by Lewis in one of his most widely quoted passages:

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg--or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.2

Elsewhere, C. S. Lewis has stated that if Christ's claims for Himself are not true, then they are "those of a megalomaniac, compared with whom Hitler was the most sane and humble of men." He continued:

There is no half-way house and there is no parallel in other religions. If you had gone to Buddha and asked Him, "Are you the son of Bramah?" he would have said, "My son, you are still in the vale of illusion." If you had gone to Socrates and asked, "Are you Zeus?" he would have laughed at you. If you had gone to Mohammed and asked, "are you Allah?" he would first have rent his clothes and then cut you head off. If you had asked Confucius, "Are you Heaven?", I think he would have probably replied, "Remarks which are not in accordance with nature are in bad taste." The idea of a great moral teacher saying what Christ said is out of the question.3

Benjamin Franklin, who was a Deist who did not believe in the divinity of Christ, wrote in his Resolution on Humility that one should "Imitate Jesus and Socrates." It is interesting that, throughout all of history, Jesus has been considered a model of humility. Yet, if He was not whom He claimed to be, then He was the very opposite of humble. William Lyon Phelps has written:

Either his assumption of authority came from his union with God, or he was the most conceited of human beings. Modesty is one of the finest manly attributes; a man cannot be perfect, cannot even be called very good, who lacks modesty, who takes Himself too seriously. If Jesus were only a man, he lacked one of the cardinal virtues and was marked by a fault peculiarly offensive. But the angels and the shepherds and the wise men who celebrated the first Christmas, they knew who he was. Kneeling before the manger at Bethlehem they worshipped the Divine Saviour.
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Re: Jesus Christ: Lord, Lunatic Or Liar?
« #1 on: February 19, 2007, 01:32 PM »

http://www.grmi.org/Richard_Riss/evidences/34prob.html]/Quote]What if he had nothing to do with any of the elements of divinity heaped on his, especially when it is obvious that he said "why call me good? the Only One Who is Good is not on earth"? Will a real chairman of a company be a subordinate to the real Chairman of the same company? Are there 2 chairman? I know it should be chairman, but I'm observing the Trinitarian way of expressing 1 complete God when in reality they say there are 3 separate and fully independent entities of God[s]. When people use their brain and apply reasons, it is a natural conclusion to arrive, morally that Yahweh and Jesus, if are only considered shall be two Gods. When you add the inactive Ghost arriving at the Trinity, there shall be nothing less than 3 Gods.

Shall we heap these nonsensical on a Prophet of God, who is a son of man, saying that he is not to be called "good"? The nonsense belong to the writers of the nonsense, confusions and we must acquit Jesus son of Mary, the messenger and prophet of God.[/quote]

daylae believed there is a christian south in Nigeria. i have news for you, I am from the south. I believe Vedexcool is also from the south. Yoruba is by and large a good chunk muslim. do you remember where yoruba people are located?

finally, if it is your choice to say that pristine Islam is what every muslim is practicing right now, I wonder why Vadexcool and me are telling you that the example of the poser is not an ideal condition for us?

never mind. christianity is a religion of homosexuality and pervert therefore.