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^^^^^^ If a person were to walk in to Jumuah, distributing fliers that Muslim worships an idol, if everyone would be like me, after the Jumuah prayers, I will like him to show us where the idol is. Was it not the muslims who demolished the giant Buhhda in Kabul, Afghanistan?

When you use any example, get something possibly believable, not an obvious thing like Muslims loving an idol! When you say God our mutual Creator has a child, shouldnt someone ask you who was His wife? Its a better example for intelligent argument than your idol presentation against Islam.

@Ymodulus: « #4 on: December 27, 2010, 11:21 PM »
[Quote]@poster, nothing happens when a man dies he dies, now let me back it up religiously as you have requested,

=ISLAMICALLY=
islamic is not a true religion her holy book were written by men several years after christianity, infact it was a slight photocopy of christianity. So deriving anything from it is totally useless. Now[/Quote]If being early is the litmus for truth, Judaism is truer than Christianity. Egyptian native religion will be truer. Or Hinduism will be truer. Or Zoroast will be truer, just as well.

And if Quran is photocopy of anything of the Bible, I wonder why the arab christians had a 16 year project to produce a book, thinking that they are rising up to the challenge in the Quran; (Noble Verse 2:23 "And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true."
Noble Verse 17:88 "Say: 'If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.'" whereby the plagiarize the Quran?


You have no argument against Quran. And I think Ileke Idi needs honest answers than your rhetoric, since the Quran itself has answered you: "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" (The Noble Quran, 6:93)" "Those whom God (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth God (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe. (The Noble Quran, 6:125)"


"Thy Lord knoweth best who strayeth from His way: He knoweth best who they are that receive His guidance. (The Noble Quran, 6:117)" "We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."
. . . . If Mohammad borrowed from Judeo-Christian sources, Why does the Holy Quran scold them for the interpolations they inserted in their books and then copy from them. If Mohammed had been copied fromthe Holy Book , he would not have scolded them at least toescape their objections and to win them for his side at least to avoid any confrontation with them. Those who claim that Mohammed copied from the scripture should tell us where was that translated copy that he copied from , according to the historical authority , there was not any translated copy in the time of the prophet Mohammed or even long after his death.


If the Holy Quran copied from the Bible , why does the Holy Quran launch this fierce critique against the Bible concerning the story of Trinity in the Bible but even renounces this fact and most strikingly shows them thesource from which they got the concept of Trinity . The Holy Quran says : ….The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old."Recent studies and exploration into the ancient religions prove that there were sixteen saviors in the human history , all of them were long anterior of Jesus ,many of the sayings that they ascribe to Jesus were found in the ancient heathen religions. . . . . quran-m.com/, /index.php?, copy, quran, book, - Cached





@Ileke Idi: REALITY OF DEATH: Almighty Lord Allah (swt) says in the Qur'aan
"Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion: and He over all things hath Power; He Who created Death and Life the may try which of you is best in deed: and he is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;, (Surah Al-Mulkhat -67:1-2)

Every one of us has to die. In this regard Allah mentioned in the Qur'aan that everyone has to die including the Prophet himself:

Allah says in Holy Quran: "Truly thou wilt die (one day), and truly they (too) will die (one day). Surah Al Zumar (39:30)

Allah also said that every soul shall taste the death: "Every soul shall have taste of death; In the end to us shall ye be brought back. (Surah Al-'Ankabut The Spider 29:57)

No one knows when and where one will die. No one even knows how someone is to die. In this respect Allah says in the Qur'an: "Nor does anyone know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does anyone know in what land he is to die. Verily with God is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things)" (Surah Luqman:-31:34)

It is understood that Allah alone is the One Who gives life, and it is He Who takes off life. In this regard, Allah says in Qur'aan: "It is He Who gives Life and Death; and when He decides upon an affair, He says to it, "Be, " "and it is. " (Surah Al- Mu'min -The Believer(40:68)

While life and death are from Allah, we have to remember that they are to take place with the permission of Allah alone. Each one's life and death are decided by Allah. It is stated in the Qur'aan: "Nor can a soul die except by God as leave, the term being fixed as by writing. Many do desire a reward in this life, we shall give it to him, and if any do desire a reward In the hereafter, we shall give it to him. And swiftly shall we reward those that (serve us with) gratitude. "(Surah Al-'Imran -The family of Imraan 3:145)

Allah (swt) makes us to die daily while sleeping. He makes most of us to wake up from our temporary death so we can praise Him and to worship Him. The Qur'aan states: "It is God that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to t life) but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect. (Surah Al-Zumar - The Crowds 39:42)

Allah has assigned an angel responsible for taking our souls out of our body. The angel's name in the Qur'aan is ( Malakul- Maut) Angel of Death. Allah informs us in Holy Quran: "Say: "The Angel of Death put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: Then shall ye be brought back to your Lord. "( Surah Al-Sajdah- Prostration:32:11)

The life of each and every human being on this earth is a short one, but the deeds and actions of a true believer are eternal if he knows how to channel them in the right directions. As far as the life span of a human being is concerned, our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said: Narrated by Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) saying that the Prophet (pbuh) said: "The life span of my followers are between sixty and seventy. Very few of them do exceeds this age. " Reported by: Tirmizi

Life in this world is a temporary one. The real( Permanent) life is the one of Life Hereafter. In this respect the Qur'aan states: "What is the life of this world but amusement and play? But verily the Home in the Hereafter, that is life indeed, it they but knew." (Surah Al-Ankabut -The Spider: (29:64)

We are here on a trial basis, we are here on a temporary basis, and we are here for a passage to Paradise or Hell . The real life of an eternal rest is that of the hereafter. In this respect Allah says in the Quran: "O my People! This life of the present is nothing but (temporary) convenience. It is the Hereafter that is the Home that will last. "(Surah Al Mu'min -The Believer: (40 39)

Without coming to this world, and without dying we can't go to paradise. We can't dream to go to the final destination without tasting death. So we have to die whether we like it or not. Death is truth (Haqq). . It is a passage to Paradise. Therefore, it is important that we remember the death and prepare for it. Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) reminded us that we have to remember death, as it is the one that defeats all types of pleasures. Narrated by Ibn Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: "Increase your remembrance of the One which defeats pleasures" While we are to remember death, we have to prepare ourselves to meet it - before it meets us. In this regard our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said: ''Do for your life as if you are to live eternally, and do for the hereafter as if you are to die tomorrow. ''

Remember that death is a process to reaching the final destination for both the believers and the non-believer. We hope and pray that each and everyone will go to Paradise. In other to achieve this ultimate success we must find out what Our Creator wants from us. and we must strive to seek the truth. In order that one desires and wishes to reach the ultimate success there are two important things necessary. First one is the desire for the real truth and second one is to strive to seek the truth.

This is a what will the Messenger [AS]say or do moment.

I imagine if the messenger hears a person in this generation cursing his wife and or his companion?

The messenger predicted the martyrdom of both Ali and Hussaine, but he did not predict that his "companions" will be cursed by people of later generations. Those men who followed Muhammad with their mind and means, are now being cursed.

Allah says of the wives of the prophet; you are not like ordinary women.

Do we expect that Muhammad will those who curse his wife, and his other companions?
Do we expect that Allah will choose them over the sahabah?

We need to watch our tongues. Mat Allah have Mercy on all of us. Amin. Alhandulillah, we are all alive yet. Taubah is still possible for each of us. There is no need to be vile. I am a husband and also a father. I know that my wife is very dear to my heart. She knows my secrets more than my child.

I will not be happy to hear a person who is on my team insult my wife because he or she wants to support my child.

@Seyibrown: « #28 on: Yesterday at 11:05:38 PM »
[Quote]@ LagosShia
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All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness2timothy 3:16)

The bold of the scripture above which you quoted earlier is where exactly your answer lies! David's adultery was punished, Solomon's adultery and idolatry was punished, Amnon did not go scoot free, Lot' daughters' act did not end well. Israel was punished when it erred before God. We all get rewarded for what we do in one way or the other, good or bad. [b]We cannot punish others for sinning against God, lest we bring upon ourselves the kind of Judgment we meted out to that person on ourselves for our own sin; It is for God to punish them! We know what the people you condemn above did and we know it is WRONG! The scripture that records it is 'reproof, correction and instruction for righteousness' for us. Those MEN WHO SINNED ARE EXAMPLES FOR US NOT TO SIN! YOU SHOULD REALIZE THAT WE HAVE NO CHRISTIAN LAW THAT SAYS CHRISTIANS SHOULD COMMIT ADULTERY, MURDER, R/A?*P~~*E, In*c*&est, IDOLATRY, pae*"do?phi""ia* etc.[/Quote]I cant but wonder that if it is not just that man do the bold, is it just for God to do the same? God is the Best in All Good Qualities and the Only One Who is Just. Can God be involved in unjust or act of injustice as you stated that it is even injustice for man to punish another man for sinning against God? Should God not punish the one who is guilty, instead of the one who is innocent?


And I try to stay away from the blames that you haul on David and Solomon, two noble men, while you take it that Lot drank and was raped by his daughters. Were there no men in Iraq where they came from, or Canaan where Uncle Abraham was with some people; the original canaanites? If the daughters had lived in a community of homosexuals till then without having sex, they could have held on for a month or two trekking to either of these places. Finally, on the idolatry thing, is that not where we will find the "moon-god" statue? Ah. I t was Palestine, where Jerusalem of David and Solomon and Ammon resided. Alhamdulillah, the idols were destroyed by Muslims when they reclaimed Makka. I remember when the giant Buhhdah was "imploded" in Afghanistan. If they could have toppled it as the Muslims (AS and RA) toppled them in Kaabah, the end result would have been the same; no idol is permissible to stand.



[Quote]You will find that the christians are rather taught to follow Laws along these lines:

Galatians 5:16-28 (New Living Translation)

Living by the Spirit’s Power
16 So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves. 17 The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions. 18 But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses.
19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. 26 Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.

NOBODY WHO SAYS THEY FOLLOW CHRIST CAN POINT TO ANY JUSTIFICATION IN THE 'TEACHINGS OF CHRIST' TO COMMIT THE KIND OF SINS YOU POINT OUT. THERE IS NO CHRISTIAN LAW THAT ALLOW THeSE ABOMINABLE ACTS TO BE PERFORMED.[/Quote]Tell me if Jesus of the Bible had anything to do with Galatians, above? I am asking this question because it was not recorded that he preached to the galatians, unless they are the lost sheep of Israel, just like the Yoruba christians or the whole of african christians are? He came to Yoruba land or he sent letter to them, or the igbo people left him because they didnt want to be around him so they migrated to Igboland, or what exactly?



[Quote]Solomon's song as quoted by the OP is portrayed as what it is not, to confuse people who do not know better. It is a love song between a groom and his bride who have a right to enjoy romance and se/xu-a*l relations! It is for people who have reached the age of maturity and understand what marriage, romance and jiggyjiggy are about. GOD IS INTERESTED IN EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR SSEEXX LIVES. We will give account of what we did we the 'thingies' he gave us! Such ridiculous interpretations as given by the OP only bring an intelligent reader to question the writer's sanity and the worthiness of his cause. [/b][/Quote]Seyi, you are a mother, at least sometime in the future. If your 14 years old 5 ft 11 inches daughter says mom, this is the text that I receive from the High School soccer team captain or a 19 year old University Junior and it is that song of Solomon. What will you do with your daughter in terms of the content? Is there an advise of caution against the boy, or you just tell her, sweetie carry on? Seyi, if you dont want goats to be nibbling at the precious yam that you keep in the storage to be perfectly seasoned so that it has a good price tag on it, the door of the barn is kept locked and repairs are constantly made on the barn, checking up on the yam, to be sure it preserved just right, coming along as you hope? I will not let my boy send that text to any woman, except his wife. And I will be upset if my young daughter receives something like that. That part ought to be banned. Oh am sorry, its the word of Christian God. Or should we blame the Jewish God in this case? Oluwaseyi, you need to jump over to the other side where you can keep your husband, and avoid such a text, keeping the whole revelation; the Quran.

@Ileke Idi: « #8 on: Yesterday at 12:10:54 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 27, 2010, 04:31 PM
@Poster and others: « on: Today at 09:47:29 AM »Everyone will die, without any exception. All prophets of Almighty God will die on earth and shall be buried. And there is no rest for the disbelievers in Oneness of God. The denial of God in this respect is the greatest of all form of sins of disbelief.

The punishment for disbelievers begins from the point of death, when the soul is being extracted/separated from the body to make it lifeless.

If there is no hell and paradise, then why the process of tests and laws to test on? Everything has its reward, the reason Paradise as Mercy while Hell as Justice are created. It is similar to appearance in court. Everyone wants to be found not guilty or not necessary to be punished for the offense because mercy is being shown by the court/judge.

If you ever saw a person die, the Quran will be alive to you. If you ever saw the eyes of dead person, you will wonder if they were trailing something disappearing. They are following the soul that is being carried away from the body.

I invite you to read the Quran. Check out from the index matters of death, the soul of human, Hell, Paradise, Reward for belief or disbelief, etc. You can google these things from Islamic perspective. May God Almighty open the Door of His Mercy to us so that we can accept His Guidance. Amin.

Why would the soul be separated from the spirit? Why is the spirit following the soul, whose soul?
So the full purpose of our soul is to lead us to that place?[/Quote]I didnt use the word spirit. I said soul is separated from the body. Though spirit is the other word for soul like female is the other word for woman. The eyes of the dying person trails the soul that is exiting the body in the possession of the Angel of death. The pain that the body feels as the soul leaves that body part is similar to the pain felt when you get a cut. So the whole body feels pain of that magnitude, at least. If you have a good soul, obedient to God, you will be those who obey God Almighty as He orders. You will not make up your own rules or device your own way of worship. You will not make a human God. Nor Angel God. You will follow the way of the prophet of your time. You and I are not in the time of Jesus, just in the same way that people of year 200 were not under Moses but Jesus, you and I are under Muhammad's era which started from 610.



[Quote]What does God really see?
1. Believers
2. Pure Soul[/Quote]Believers starts with good soul because the belief correctly. Pure soul is a higher grade of "Believers".



[Quote]What if one dies without having heard of God? But is still pure?[/Quote]This is a good Question that deserves the right answer. Allah says in the Quran that He will not be unjust to His creations. So for a child who dies at birth for example or a person in a remote place even today without ever hearing the word "Creator" in his own tongue, on the Day of Judgment Allah will test him, playing for this person delivering His commandment to him. Allah will say in command to this person "go to hellfire [I am your Lord commanding to it]." Of course Hell fire and Paradise will be presented to this person. If he obeys the Command of Allah, heading for Hell fire as commanded, Allah will make his destination to be Paradise. It actually means that if he was alive, old enough to know about the Commandment of Allah through the prophetic message of his period, he would have obeyed. If he refuses the commandment of Allah because he see the difficulty of hell and the ease of paradise, then he has failed because if he were old enough on earth, he would have chosen the ease of disobedience instead of accepting the hardship of obedience. This test is similar to what was given to Abraham to slaughter his son (AS to both father and son). You must have read that God ransom the son with a great ransom? Allah is never Unjust.



[Quote]What if one dies hearing the words of God, a believer, but yet unpure?[/Quote]Hearing is common. Not acting upon it is the reality, meaning one is a disbeliever. If you are a believer, it is not easy to be pure. Allah gives a way to seek forgiveness, His Mercy. You must seek forgiveness of Allah, hoping for His Mercy all your life. If you perform your duties to Him as He Commands, you shall definitely receive His Mercy, on this earth, in the grave and definitely on the Day when no one can help except Him, Alone in All His Majesty. Allah says to seek Mercy always from Him being the Most Merciful, Most Forgiving. If you are pure, it may actually becomes a means of arrogance resulting to your downfall if you dont seek mercy and forgiveness from Him.



[Quote]And how much weight does our last prayer and our last repentant worth on our judgment?[/Quote]If you are a believer, as a muslim they are worth everything. You do not want to end up in the wrong column, making a disbeliever prayer and or repentance. Imagine a person who was a christian all his life going to the temple of the Hindu for the first time, making prayer to the Hindu idol and repenting to it. It is at this time he dies. Will the christians accept him as a christian, burying him in their mist? Will the God of the Christians accepts this person into the christian heaven? In Islam, if a man leaves to pray to Christian God and or repents to Trinity, the Christian God, that person had became a former Muslim. If a person were to walk in into a muslim community, takes the oath of becoming Muslim, if he dies right there, that oath is enough to make him Muslim without even a salah made. If he merely opened his mouth and say Laa Illaha Ilallah and dies before saying Muhammad Rasulullah, he has already became a muslim.

Aburo, nigba wo lo maa di Muslim? There are muslims in your school. There is a sizable community of Muslims in Florida. I know Islam is not popular, but popularity contest is not what we are talking about here. Alhamdulillah, youth is still on your side. After all we are alive, still. I pray that those who love God, the Almighty Creator will lead them to Him before they die. Amin.

@Uplawal: « #268 on: Yesterday at 10:36:30 AM »
[Quote]are we honestly saying that the problems in society and sex that existed in the past do not still exist today?and the conditions that made Allah in the Quran and the Prophet to apply muta in the past cannot still exist today?

i am really confused with the sunni position.at one hand they say the Prophet allowed it.after that they want us to forget about it and not understand where,how and why the Prophet applied it.and let us ask who stopped.was it the Prophet or Umar?who knows better?

i will follow the lead of the Prophet and no one else.if the Prophet never banned it and the conditions today arise for me to perform muta,i will perform muta.this is an optional issue.not even all shia perform it.even if me and i dislike it,we should be honst enough and admit that eventhough it is halal and it is not haram it can be makhroo (disliked) or mubah (neither recommended nor haram).we dont have to deny anything to suit our tastes.you dont choose what is haram and what is halal.

The Truth: That Umar banned Mut'ah:

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/chap10.php

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@Isale gan &Sweetnecta,whats THANK YOU,are you now saying what Allah made permissible should not be encouraged and its only useful for some period of time and not for all ages?pls save us all these unnecessary trying to debase topic,what is halal should not be discouraged at all or shy about,whatever Allah made halal should be halal forever,ok,and Umar dos not have any right to make haram what Allah made Halal for his slaves,Hes an innovator period,TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT
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Infact am begining to get tired of the sunnis that claimed they are following the prophet where as they are following the innovations from the sahabas,its a shame to prefare what umar and others did over Allah and the messengers acts and deeds,they are not worthy to be called sunni but(UMAREES)OR best still,(SAHABIST)
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Quote from: uplawal on Yesterday at 04:08:25 PM
@Isale gan &Sweetnecta,whats THANK YOU,are you now saying what Allah made permissible should not be encouraged and its only useful for some period of time and not for all ages?pls save us all these unnecessary trying to debase topic,what is halal should not be discouraged at all or shy about,whatever Allah made halal should be halal forever,ok,and Umar dos not have any right to make haram what Allah made Halal for his slaves,Hes an innovator period,TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT

Quote from: uplawal on Yesterday at 04:13:26 PM
Infact am begining to get tired of the sunnis that claimed they are following the prophet where as they are following the innovations from the sahabas,its a shame to prefare what umar and others did over Allah and the messengers acts and deeds,they are not worthy to be called sunni but(UMAREES)OR best still,(SAHABIST)

UPlawal Cry

You are drifting away , be patient sister as you obviously dont understand what you have just said "calling Caliph Umar RA an innovator" .

You need to learn what Bidáh actually means and its understanding. There is no verse in the quran expressly permitting mutah as far as i know. Mutah was permitted by the prophet and was also reported to have been banned. If some shias wish to still do it albeit with conditions then that is their business but what i am against is for you to accuse the caliphs of making haram halal and hallal haram. The consequence of what you have said is that Umar and these sahabas are kafirs (Naudhubillah). That is the meaning of your posts if you dont know.

You need to understand sunni philosophy before you start to embrace the shia philosophy. Even if you want to become shia you should not start by insulting companions of the Prophet PBUH without basis except what you have read here on NL.

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Lagosboy,its you thats drifting away not me,you should have kukuma said am on the wrong path for all i care,its only Allah that knows who is on the right path.i dnt tell you if am already a shia or neither am i supporting shia,its only the history av commented on and nothing would change history ok,have you not forgotten its this same Sunni's that are quick to point to whatever or whoever that is an innovator or innovation,now youre here telling me what they changed in the religion in history is not consider bidah right,but only them Sufi style,tareekah,tijaniya and co are the innovations since they bring new theory to the system,pls come of it,any Bidah is Bidah.

You jugdging me now cos i pointed out the actrocities they committed after the demise of the prophet.is that not enough for them to be called innovators and enemies of the prophet,and mind you its not all of them i considered innovators ande bad,but the ones that claimed they love the prophet,but did otherwise after he was no more,others that remained the same are ok and good too,so you should think about that.

Also,wanna ask you,how did you think its only from nairaland av gathered information about the past,and if it so,why should that be your problem,or is it not history?Also,i want you to point out the fact that makes something halal then makes it haram again with Quran verse,also as regards to Muta Nikah,if the prophet allowed it what right does YOUR UMAR has to make it haram?
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@Lagosboy,cry for yourself Cry Cry Cry Embarrassed for following some evil SAHABAS over what Allah made permissible,and followed by the prophet
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@Lagosboy,i dnt say i said Umar made Haram Halal,its you Lagosboy that says so,not me Uplawal,i only said Umar changed the morning Adhan and made Muta thats HALAL HARAM,and i dnt say all Sahabas did the same thing,but you just lied on me now.
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@sweetnecta, i can give you more hadith that supported divorce that happened apart from adultery,and Divorced is never hated by Allah since he permitted it anyway,eventhough he does like the sanctity of marriage.And no throne is gonna shake cos of any divorce[/Quote]You are a woman, my sister. Can you put yourself in the position of Mutah? Does it make sense that you continue to say that what is immoral is permissible by Islam that came to elevate the condition of humanity? If Mutah is permissible why have marriage that is not Mutah? Why try hard to make marriage work? Why divorcing 3 times is final until the woman marries another man and they willingly divorce before the former husband can even be part of possible husband? Why not turn the whole of Islamic marriage to one big sexual orgy of the 1970s and the early 19s0s before the HIV/AIDS which closed up bath houses in NYC and London to name a few?

Uplawal, kilo nso lenu? I am shocked that you are allowing yourself to be immersed into this type of evil, yet you were a virgin before Marriage, while you find Islam better than Christianity, why would you expect that Allah will permit legal marriage with the stigma of a time to divorce put in it? This is so sad. I wonder if any man will put his beloved sister up for Mutah? What if she is a virgin?

Finally, which of us is equal to any of the Kalifah of Islam? Anyone equal to say Umar Khattab who was the one Allah supported with the verses of 2 rakah at Maqam Ibrahim (AS), the covering up of women with Jalab, the issue of ransoming or not of captives of war, and many others. I do not worship or call on Muhammad (AS) and definitely no sahabah (RA) for that matter. But I think it is sad that we insult our forebears who suffered so that Islam can get to us, today.

[Quote]« #147 on: Today at 10:17:39 AM »

Quote from: Lagosboy on Today at 09:40:27 AM
That is not true. there are loads of people and scholars who understand. The fact the some people have chosen to keep silent on this shia/sunni thread is not that they are ignorant. Me personally i have studied the shia doctrine and i am sunni, i understand that debating this doctrine here would serve no purpose and has no objective rather than disunity, sowing of discord and more misunderstanding.

I have called lagoshia twice to let us discuss on what we both agree upon but he has never replied or commented to my two postings to him. Analyse the 2 threads on this issue and tell me as a neutral if there is any progress than chaos. We cannot solve the differences that have existed for 1300 years here on NL. Only if we both leave to rest the chaotic (fitna) historical events that never happened before our eyes and concentrate more on our salvation as stated by Allah - Shahdah then the five pillars of islam,then we would move foward. This doctrine, we sunni and shia both share. Of what use is it for us to discuss the shortcommings of some companions while we forget our own selves? These people are long dead and they will be judged by the most High himself.

Of what use is analysing who the favorite wife of the prophet PBUH was? And so many other issues.

Hymen we understand what Allah wants and he expressed it in the quran and it is

", We have created Jinn and men for nothing except to worship me "Q51 v 56

To worship Allah we need to knowo some things which is knowledge. The 5 pillars of islaam is the foundation upon which eeman is built. This is my humble call!!



And God knows best.


There is no discord in discussion as far as it is done peacefully and with the intention of drawing close.[b]and with thanks to Allah at least two people on this forum are beginning to reason with the shia teachings and be understanding.it is people like “sweetnecta” and “abu zola” with their insufficient knowledge that want to sow discord.[/b]after we’ve understood the concept of muta and how it existed and can exist under special circumstances,”sweetnecta” started to do copy/paste job.if I start to analyse what she has posted shred by shred,I know he cannot defend what he posted.therefore I can only help others to help themselves by visiting the answering-ansar.org site to know the truth about shia beliefs and practices including a guide on muta and a refutation of people who are ashamed of their beliefs and deny muta as the sunnis do and throw baseless accusations against us.if the Prophet allowed it,then no one has the right to ban it.we only have to understand how it can work and under what conditions and in what situation.

Discussing on what we agree on is like clapping for onself.i discuss what we believe when the need arise.you can see my posts and threads.i have had a thread on Tawhid and another on Duas.

The issue of discussing the past has alot to do with the present.see for example issues like muta and even wudu that we differ from each other because of the split and the destructive role those sahaba played.dont forget the beheading of our Prophet’s grandson.we can never forget that.just turning a blind eye either is of no use and help.if you think that we need not to discuss the past which still affects us,and we should not,you want to simply make our discussions seem trivial and useless.that is not true.those who don’t learn from the past will repeat the mistakes of the past in their future.until we accept the role those sahaba played and we identify where they were wrong to fix our problems,we cannot move forward.let us read and understand.let us stop copy/paste work that we cant defend.let us solve our problems in a civil and respectable manner.why should we be shy from the reality and the truth?we got all it takes to pride ourselves as the complete and perfect religion.the truth is there.we need to grab it.islam can only be complete and succeed when we return to where Allah wanted us to be:that is,following the leadership of the Ahlul-Bayt,starting with Imam Ali as our first guide after the Prophet.

May Allah guide us all and give us the humility to see the truth and the courage to admit and accept it with honesty![/Quote]Of the bold, I am grateful that my knowledge is insufficient, because if it has been "sufficient" it may be overboard, leading to arrogance and ending up in hellfire. I like my life as simple as it is; a mere muslim, not sunni and not shia. I will follow those who follow Muhammad (AS), since he was the prophet and no one after him was. I will take the best of meaning of what I hear since my Lord has impacted wisdom in me.

My brother, I am closer to the grave than yours. I have no time to be experimenting. I do not do zina and i stay away from all that will annoy Allah. I pray to Him Alone seeking His Mercy in all my affairs. I do not call on Muhammad for anything, though I follow him, as best as I can. May Allah forgive all muslims and forgive me for not having the much knowledge. I am trying my best. Allah is Enough for me.

@LagosShia: Do you accept Muta? If you do, then there must be people who want Muta in the community that you belong. If I were a person of Muta, I woud have asked you to introduce me to someone dear to you. If you are a true Shia, why against flogging of the body that the shia do in Ashura? Why are shia scholars now saying that it should not be done according to you, while all the generations for over 1000 years have done it? Can you your loved females who are virgins for Muta? I think that talking the talk and not walking the walk is not what I expect from you.

@Alimat2: « #3 on: December 23, 2010, 05:14 PM »
[Quote]Nakkai was on my list early dis year and all the arrangement was gradually going out but i hav to personally quit every thing both the arrangement and the man cos i was not too sure if he can take my to the promise land (Al Janna) religiously cos i thing he is not spiritually/religiously advanced for me, i see him as a snail beside d rate in which i grow religiously.[/Quote]Make Dua to Allah to get you the best Muslim man to be your husband for life, and both of you can be in Jannah, together. A muslim man does not have to be the scholar in the house, or a scholar at all to be a good husband to help you and himself, whereby the same is for to help him and yourself so that you can be people of Paradise.

A scholar may actually be a horrid husband, and he may be full of himself. A man who is level headed, even new in Islam, should not be ignored as a suitor; the reason you make Dua constantly and perform Istekarah for Allah's Guidance. Please dont spend so much time looking for Mr. Perfect, because there is no perfection in any man here. We men are as vulnerable as the women, too. For me, as a man, I would not shy away from taking a new muslima for a wife; she will be a project for me, and I for her and both of us for Allah.

My sister, make your Niyyah and work hard on it. InshaAllah you will find a lifelong husband. The man for your life here and afterlife in Paradise.

I congratulate all the married and just about to marry. May Allah make your marriages beneficial to you in this world and in after with believing children. Amin.

^^^^^^^ Mr. Oritameta went into 3 different directions at the same time in his response to me, above.

as to christian woman in pakistan, i did not advocate for killing of her, since my statement was that the messenger [as] ignored people who criticized him. I however said that an enemy worthy of fighting is the one that takes up arms against you, wishing to do you harm. this is human nature, similar to the armed robbers who invaded your homes. they had no love for you when they came anyway, you should not expect any from them.

the google search and others are there for informing you. i have no problems using them. i dont what you are complaining about?
i google dr. mark to know if what he was portrayed is what he was. he wasnt since he had christian influence as a child and his parent suspected him, and his ph. d. was in christianity in usa, after he had converted. when he migrated to the usa, in 1990, i remember the climate of the 1990s usa. i'm a little older than him and i know when i was at the age he was in 1990, i had a tumultuous things happening in my life, too and only by the Mercy of Allah that i survived it as a muslim. and i am a nigerian with a christian mother at that.

i go to my Books all the time, the reason i am secure and able to discuss your religion with you, by the Mercy of Allah on me. if you notice, i do not contribute or respond to all the christian threads. but i just cant stand it when i read an out right lie and not at least register my disagreement, if i can. on the NL, i can Alhamdulillah.

i often wonder how you "rino ko" a dead man when you are still alive? i believe its one of the remnants of the time of idolatry.

its a weird and untrue statement; dead people dont mix with live people.

rather no live person wants to go hangout with the dead.

all of these are not part of islam.

a person dies, he needs to be buried in the muslim cementary closest to where he died.

taking him out of england to nigeria, i almost can say that the medical center must have removed "something" from him. if it happens in america, in a heart beat, they will harvest something, especially when they know that he is being flown out of the country.

Anyway, if he is a muslim, regardless of the name [sikiru], may Allah overlook all his faults and admit him to Paradise, for You Allah is the Only One with Unlimited Mercy.

Therefore, the Shias are indeed the Islamic Pharisees whom are the hypocrites, heathens and deceived ones!  They are immoral Hot fornicators who promote nothing but immorality and whoredom in the Islamic society, despite the fact that not only Allah Almighty and the Prophet of Islam clearly declared irresponsible divorce forbidden, but ironically, one of their major Imams, Imam Jafar, declared it zina (fornication/adultery).

Also, Allah Almighty Said that marriage is a "Great and Solemn Covenant".  He, the Almighty, also Said that if a man divorces a woman carelessly, then he could bring a sin upon himself.  Noble Verses 2:236 and 4:21 and the many other Noble Verses that I mentioned and explained in thorough details, throughout this article, clearly and indisputably prove this.

I would like to conclude this article by saying: Any halal (lawful) act when misused becomes haram (sinful).  This is true with the Jewish Pharisees, and with the modern-day Shias' legalized male and female prostitutes.  They misuse and pervert marriage, and they misuse and pervert divorce.

 
This is my own impute now: Lets take for a moment that there is a woman on earth who submitted herself for muta marriage. If husbands are revolving at her door, or she revolving at the door of one husband after another, how many husbands will she end up with? Which one of her husband is really a husband since both parties in each marriage know that it is a temporary affairs? Why will our Lord legislate a permanent marriage, limiting it to 4, and not wanting any lewdness in the relationship that anyone will assume that temporary marriage is the way of islam, a religion that warns that people should guard their private parts, not not overstepping the boundary set by Allah?

Divorce is a serious thing and marriage should be taken very serious. Temporary is not serious if contrasted with permanent. May Allah forgive all our sins. Amin.

5- Conclusion:

Again, Muta is a legal marriage that was built solely on a sexual desire that existed between two couples to enable them to avoid fornication and prostitution in the society, and to allow the men who couldn't afford a traditional and cultural marriage - because it is too expensive for them - to still be able to wed women. Muta was also allowed to enable men who traveled on foot for 100s of miles to distant lands on foot to marry women at their new local towns to prevent them from raping and committing fornication and/or adultery and all other sexual evil such as homosexuality.

Muta also came to solve social problems that the early Muslims faced. It never came to gratify sexual pleasures, even though sexual pleasures are automatically gratified in marriages. Back in the Prophet's days, literal unclothedness and sexual immorality were high among the pagans as I've clearly shown in the Hadiths above. This clearly proves that the pagans were too sexually open. So Muta also came to ease the sexual temptation and to allow a weaning period for the Muslims to get used to modesty. The Muslims were new to Islam, and they came from sexually open pagan societies.

We have seen above an example of those who twist and pervert the Holy Words of Allah Almighty through the condemnation of the Jewish Pharisees by Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. We have also seen how Allah Almighty valued the sacredness of marriage throughout the Noble Quran and also through the Hadiths (Sayings) of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. And we have also seen why Prophet Muhammad allowed temporary marriage for a period of time and then forbade it. And even if we take the Shias' claim about no one ever heard the Prophet declare it forbidden, then we still have ample proofs from the Noble Quran and their own sources that clearly condemn temporary marriage and intentional divorce.

Source:

http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Personal/personal22.htm



(c)- Sincere and burning questions to the Shias!

Muta marriage in Islam doesn't have to end in divorce. It could be and must be a permanent marriage. The sincere ones from the Shias must ask themselves the following questions:
1- Is Muta the way it's practiced today a moral act? No.

2- Does the Noble Quran support my answer? Yes.

3- Do the Shia and Sunni Hadiths support my answer? Yes.
4- Is divorce is highly detestable and would bring sin upon you if you're careless with it? Yes.

5- Is irresponsible marriage also a sin especially when justice and morality are compromised in it? Yes; remember Noble Verse 4:3 above?


The burning question:

6- Are the Shias of today the same as the Jewish Pharisees whom were condemned by Jesus? Yes.



(d)- The Shias' wasted deeds in the Noble Quran!



"Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds! (The Noble Quran, 18:104)"



My dear Shia-Muslim brother or sister in Islam, let me ask you a sincere question:

Do you honestly believe that GOD Almighty really allows you to marry and divorce irresponsibly (ex: marry a hot-looking college girl with hot curves for few hours and then divorce her)?

If you don't, then fear His Warning in Noble Verse 18:104 above.

The shiya themselves have a hadith narrated by Ali which states that the Prophet made muta'a haram on the day of Khaiber (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). The author states that Ali lied for the purposes of safety (taqiya). In Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5, there is a declaration by Ali that muta'a is haram. Again they accuse Ali of lying for safety reasons (taqiya).

One of their highly authentic hadith books, Usool Al-Kaafi: vol. 5, pg. 462, rewaya 1; It has a hadith that states that muta'a for a virgin girl is not recommended because of the shame it will bring upon her parents. Imam Abi-Abdullah narrated: Do not do muta'a with a believer woman, because you will humiliate her by doing that. (shiya sources: Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 253, rewaya 14:21; Istibsaar: vol. 3, pg. 143, rewaya 4:93). In Shiya beliefs, there are many contradictions regarding as to whom muta'a can be performed with. In one hadith, it is stated that muta'a can only be done with a believer (Kaafi: vol. 5, pg. 454, rewaya 3-4) whereas, in rewaya 27, it is stated that muta'a is not allowed with a muslimah, it is only allowed with Jewish or Christian women. In Beharul-anwaar(authentic Shiya hadith book) vol. 103, pg. 340, rewaya 10:3, it is also stated that it is haram to do muta'a with a person who is married or able to marry.

With the given confusion in the books of shiyas regarding muta'a, and it being haram among the sunnis, should really make one think hard before believing that they are doing marriage in a halal way and in the name of Allah.

The second time the Prophet (saw) allowed it was at the conquest of Mecca, for three days, and then he made it haram again till the day of Judgment (Muslim vol. 4 pg. 133). Notice, the practice of
muta'a was then made haram till the Day of Judgement.This is confirmed with the hadiths in the following books: Imam Ahmed's Musnad vol. 16 pg. 192-193, Muslim vol. 4, pg. 132, Bayhaki vol. 7 pg. 293-294.

Since there was a time when muta'a was halal. Therefore, one can find hadith saying that it was halal. However, the latter hadith, which follows the final order of jurisprudence set by the the Prophet(saw), takes precedence over the former hadith.

Ninety-nine percent of the companions followed this opinion, but there was one percent who believed muta'a can be performed in extreme case of necessity in the land of war. This one percent is divided into two groups.

One says, it is allowed with the khalipha's permission, and the other says there is no need for the permission . Those who do not believe in khalipha's permission say that it was Umar who made it haram. Their proof is based upon an opinion by a companion namely Ibn Abbas. People misused this opinion of Ibn Abbas until he clarified himself and said, Wallahi I did not mean what they did! I meant similarly to what Allah meant when he allowed the meat of dead animals and pork to be eaten in extreme necessity. This is referring to the time when people abused the rule of necessity at time of Umar, following the understanding of the one percent. Finally, Umar declared and taught it to be haram when a lady came to Umar complaining about how her husband in muta'a, who was married, would not take responsibility of the child. He realized how the society was becoming corrupt with similar conditions to adultery. Thus, he had to teach people and make muta'a haram even in the case of the one percent opinion.

2: Osama can destroy the shias by quoting these statements from a famous shia Imam:

"Imam Sadiq (AS) stated: 'Get married but do not divorce, because a divorce would tremble the Arsh (empyrean) of Allah'." [ Source: Makarim al-Akhlaq, p 225. ]

"Imam Sadiq (AS) also stated: 'Allah likes the house which is inhabited in the wake of marriage and dislikes the house which is abandoned in the wake of divorce. There is nothing more detestable to Allah than a divorce." [ Source: Wasa'il al-Shi'ah, vol 15, p 267. ]

pulsar.gif (2171 bytes) Imam Ja'far moreover said that Muta is Zina (fornication/adultery) in al Bidayat Al Mujtahid. pulsar.gif (2171 bytes)

[ moreover remember that shias consider their imams free from sins and errors as far as i know. These shia sources therefore hit hard back at those shias who think Muta is allowed and a "praiseworthy act" ]

ma salama



(b)- The Prophet allowed Muta ONLY TWICE - by brother Karim:

Salaam brothers , some USefull info for brothers wo want to debate the Muta issue with shamoun could perhaps take some usefull from the below article:

Muta:
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In the history of Islam, The Prophet (saw) allowed muta'a twice in his lifetime. The first time the Prophet (saw) allowed it for three days, at the war of Khaiber, and after three days it was made haram. Once Ali argued with a man who believed in Muta'a and told him that the Prophet made muta'a and the meat of donkey haram on the day of Khaiber (Bukhari vol. 7, pg. 287 and vol. 4 pg. 134). This hadith can also be found in shiya hadith books, which I will mention later.

(a)- Great Proofs from brother Karim:

Salaam, first off all dear brother i found some refutations to shai claims on Mutah, i attacked them in the pdf file "Mutah Discussed". Secondly good research brother Osama, i looked for the proper references to the quotes you gave in the email, and i found the source references for them:

1: "Imam Sadiq (AS) stated: 'Get married but do not divorce, because a divorce would tremble the Arsh (empyrean) of Allah'."

Source: Makarim al-Akhlaq, p 225.

2: "Imam Sadiq (AS) also stated: 'Allah likes the house which is inhabited in the wake of marriage and dislikes the house which is abandoned in the wake of divorce. There is nothing more detestable to Allah than a divorce."

Source: Wasa'il al-Shi'ah, vol 15, p 267.

In this shia source we read:

"The Prophet (SA) of Allah stated: Jibrail(Gabriel) advised me about women so much that I thought one should not divorce them except if they commit adultery'."

Source: Makarim al-Akhlaq, p 248.

The shia Imam we quote holds the view that divorce is most detestable to Allah. We do not need a sunni hadith to refute the shia's, because all great sunni scholars have already written fatwas proving that Mutah is forbidden these days with hadeeth from bukhari & Muslim etc.



So what i advise Osama to do is:

1: To quote some fatwas from great renowned sunni scholars who proof with hadith and quranic verses that Mutah is haram in Islam, an example of such a fatwa can be found on the next link:

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000603.aspx

or:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4550&CATE=120

Moreover you can quote or refer to the pdf file "Mutah Discussed" which i attached in this mail.

Narrated Humaid bin Abdur Rahman: "Abu Huraira said, "Abu Bakr sent me in that Hajj in which he was the chief of the pilgrims along with the announcers whom he sent on the Day of Nahr to announce at Mina: "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year, and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba in a naked state." Humaid added: That the Prophet sent 'Ali bin Abi Talib (after Abu Bakr) and ordered him to recite aloud in public Surat-Baraa. Abu Huraira added, "So 'Ali, along with us, recited Bara'a (loudly) before the people at Mina on the Day of Nahr and announced "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba in a naked state.", except those pagans with whom you (Muslims) have a treaty." (9.4) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 179)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "That during the Hajj in which the Prophet had made Abu Bakr As Siddiq as chief of the, Hajj before the Hajj-ul-Wida,' on the day of Nahr, Abu Bakr sent him along with a group of persons to announce to the people. "No pagan is permitted to perform Hajj after this year, and nobody is permitted to perform the Tawaf of the Ka'ba naked." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 649)"

However, after Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, saw that the Muslims were going to turn temporary marriage into legalized prostitution, he forbade it for good. Allah Almighty also spoke about the sacredness of marriage throughout the Noble Quran and how irresponsible divorce would bring sin upon the individual. See Noble Verse 2:236 and the many others above.

One should not divorce them except in the case of adultery!!??


These are quotes coming from the Scriptures of the same people who allow for a man to marry a young college girl for an hour and then divorce her! Clearly, these corrupt heathens are the modern-day Islamic Pharisees!





4- So why did Prophet Muhammad allow it for a period of time then?

The sub-sections here are:

(a)- Great Proofs from brother Karim.
(b)- The Prophet allowed Muta only twice - by brother Karim.
(c)- Sincere and burning questions to the Shias!
(d)- The Shias' wasted deeds in the Noble Quran!



Again, Muta is a legal marriage that was built solely on a sexual desire that existed between two couples to enable them to avoid fornication and prostitution in the society, and to allow the men who couldn't afford a traditional and cultural marriage - because it is too expensive for them - to still be able to wed women. Muta was also allowed to enable men who traveled on foot for 100s of miles to distant lands on foot to marry women at their new local towns to prevent them from raping and committing fornication and/or adultery and all other sexual evil such as homosexuality.

Muta also came to solve social problems that the early Muslims faced. It never came to gratify sexual pleasures, even though sexual pleasures are automatically gratified in marriages. Back in the Prophet's days, literal unclothedness and sexual immorality were high among the pagans as clearly shown in the following Hadiths. This clearly proves that the pagans were too sexually open. So Muta also came to ease the sexual temptation and to allow a weaning period for the Muslims to get used to modesty. The Muslims were new to Islam, and they came from sexually open pagan societies:

Narrated Abu Huraira: "On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (At-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.' (See Hadith No. 365 Vol. 1) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689)"

First, we have already seen how Allah Almighty condemns irresponsible divorce in the Noble Quran. It is clear and it is beyond question!

Let us now look at what those Islamic Pharisees' own sources say about divorce. We already know what the Sunni sources (Sunnis make up more than 85% of the 1.5 billion Muslims world-wide) say about temporary marriage, which we have provided them in the Muta section. Below, we will see what those Islamic Pharisees' sources say to completely prove that they are indeed corrupt heathens:



Source #1:

From http://www.iranchamber.com/personalities/mmotahari/works/jurisprudence_and_its_principles.pdf:

"It is a condition of divorce firstly that, at the time of divorce, the woman is clean of her monthly period. Secondly, there must be two just witnesses present when the contract of divorce is recited. Divorce is divinely detested. The Prophet of God tells us: "The most-detested permissible (thing) before God is divorce". "



Divorce is the most detestable permissible thing to Allah Almighty!



Source #2:

From http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/books/principles/014.html:

Divorce:
Although divorce is a lawful act, it is the most detested and worst of adeeds.

Imam Sadiq (AS) stated: ‘Get married but, do not divorce, because a divorce would tremble the ‘Arsh (empyrean) of Allah’.”259



Divorce shakes the Throne of Allah Almighty!!



“lmäm Sädiq (AS) also stated: ‘Allah likes the house which is inhabited in the wake of marriage and dislikes the house which is abandoned in the wake of divorce. .There is nothing more detestable to Allah than a divorce’


Marriage is not like buying a pair of shoes and socks that whenever not liked one disposes the shoes and buys an (pair of shoes. Marriage is a spiritual covenant that two pet make in order to stay together like friends, sympathies au lovers till their death. It is based on these great hopes tb young girl leaves her parents and joins her husband.

A man makes efforts and works hard on the basis of s a divine covenant. He pays for his wedding and buys necessary goods for his new life and works for his comfort.

Marriage is not a lustful affair and a couple cannot destroy it for trivial excuses. Although divorce is lawful, it 1 seriously detested and people are recommended to avoid it much as possible.

Unfortunately, this very detestable act has become so common in Islamic countries and the foundations of family units have become so shaky that there is generally little faith in marriage any more.

Divorce is permitted but only in very exceptional and compelling circumstances.

“The Prophet (SA) of Allah stated: Jibril (Gabriel) advised me about women so much that I thought one should not divorce them except if they commit adultery’.”26’ (this is a Hadith from Prophet Muhammad!)

It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:52)"

It appears that after Allah Almighty forbade Muta on the Prophet, and the Prophet forbade it on the Muslims, Allah Almighty addressed divorce thoroughly in the Noble Quran.

Please visit: Refuting the Shia's Muta (temporary marriage) with the Noble Quranic Prophetic Sunnah for more details.

Also visit: COUNTLESS abrogations by GOD Almighty in Moses' and David's books in the Bible's Old Testament (OT)!





(e)- Divorce in the Shia sources:

The following three points are clearly demonstrated and proven, below:

i- Divorce is the most detestable permissible thing to Allah Almighty.
ii- Except in adultery, a divorce must never happen.
iii- Divorce shakes the Throne of Allah Almighty.

And oh yeah by the way (for those Islamic Pharisees and prostitutes), that ONE WIFE? is a permanent wife and not a temporary one. This is obvious in the fact that her main duty is to take care of the orphans along with her husband and children, which everyone of these is a long-term task. You obviously couldn't take care of the orphans for few hours and then get divorced and leave them. Also marrying and divorcing women temporarily wouldn't allow the man to be "able to deal justly (with them)," (4:3) since the man is not keeping the women justly and treating them justly; one women is used for few hours or days, while the other is a permanent one, yeah, that is fair and just according to Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 4:3, right?



Truly, those Islamic Pharisees are sick!


And like Jesus said above, they only convert people to satan!



But it was the Prophet who allowed it, not us!!

A natural answer to my statement about them being sick is that it was the Prophet, peace be upon him, who allowed Muta marriage, and that it wasn't them who just invented it out of thin air. This point is thoroughly addressed and refuted further below where we will see why the Holy Prophet temporarily allowed it, and what social problems did it solve, and why then he forbade it. This is all beside the point that Allah Almighty clearly condemned irresponsible divorce, in the Noble Quran, as we've clearly seen above. So it appears clearly that Allah Almighty forbade irresponsible divorce after Muta marriage was forbidden by the Prophet. Allah Almighty clearly told the Prophet:

If Allah Almighty truly didn't care about the sacredness of marriage and divorce in Islam, then He wouldn't have Said "then only one". Obviously, this Noble Verse would be completely useless and pointless if I can marry sexy college girls for few hours and then divorce them as I please.



What's the point in Commanding me in keeping ONLY ONE WIFE then



(d)- One wife even if the orphans are compromised!

Another point that is worth mentioning on Noble Verse 4:3 above is that Allah Almighty's initial allowance of polygamy was solely and strictly for the sake of taking care of the orphans. When Muslims won battles against infidel tribes, many women and children were left widowed and orphaned from both the infidels' and the Muslims' sides. To solve the social crisis, Allah Almighty allowed the Muslim men to marry multiple women, up to four, to help them take care of the orphans. But notice in the Noble Verse how much Allah Almighty valued the sacredness of marriage even over the needs of the orphans. He, the Almighty, Said clearly and indisputably that if the Muslim man fears that his marriage will be a troublesome one for him and his wives, then he must (no choice here) stick with ONLY ONE WIFE and few harems. Marrying multiple women in this case would be a sin.

Again, please visit: What does Islam say about polygamy? for more details.

So for those Shias of today who bring some Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, allowing Muta, they are either being completely ignorant about Islam or they are being very dishonest. The reason for this is because such Saying or Sayings from the Prophet were said during, again, the partial days of Islam. When one looks at all of Islam's Laws properly and comprehensively today, then one will easily and clearly find out that Islam is crystal clear about prohibiting marriages that are intentionally destined for divorce, because neither such marriages are made up of "Great and Solemn Covenants", nor was the woman left sexually untouched by the man! Violating any or both Laws that are in Noble Verses 2:236 and 4:21, and in many other Noble Verses, will bring a grave sin upon the person as I have clearly demonstrated above.

The practice of Muta today is clearly and indisputably clashing very bitterly and very stubbornly with the Warnings and the Laws of Allah Almighty in Noble Verses 2:236 and 4:21 and many other Noble Verses, which are explained in great details above.





(c)- If you're not stable enough, then marry only ONE WIFE!

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"

If the man is not mature enough nor mentally stable enough to handle multiple women (to take care of the orphans), then he is Commanded by Allah Almighty to marry only one wife. Him marrying women for few hours and then divorcing them is strictly forbidden in this Noble Verse.

Also, Allah Almighty here not only resents divorce, but also resents polygamy altogether. And those men who abuse and misuse polygamy will find themselves in sin. Please visit: What does Islam say about polygamy? for more details.

As we clearly see in Noble Verse 85:10, anyone who purposely draws a believing Muslim into temptation (any form of evil temptation) then he/she is committing a sin, and if he/she doesn't repent, then their punishment with Allah Almighty is severe.

The Arabic words fatanoo (فتنوا) is derived from the root word fitnah (فتنة), which literally means temptation, or putting someone to the test, or putting someone in a situation where your intention is to cause him/her to fail. It is as the English translation says: a trial. It also means trying to create a conflict or trouble, either to someone or between people.

1- According to Google's Online Arabic-English Dictionary, فتن (verb of فتنة) means:

1. enthrall
2. enchant
3. captivate
4. infatuate
5. spellbind
6. mesmerize
7. witch
8. seduce
9. tempt
10. magnetize
11. ravish
12. charm

2- According to the Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr dictionary [5], page 696, فتنة means:

1. temptation
2. trial
3. charm
4. charmingness
5. enchantment
6. captivation
7. enticement
8. infatuation
9. intrigue
10. sedition
11. riot
12. discord
13. dissension

3- According to Google's Online Arabic-English Dictionary, فتنة means:

1. sedition
2. temptation
3. trial
4. seduction

4- According to the Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr dictionary [5], page 695, فتن (verb of فتنة) means:

1. to subject to temptation or trials
2. seduce
3. tempt
4. entice
5. allure
6. beguile
7. to enamor
8. enchant
9. captivate
10. enthrall
11. enrapture
12. infatuate
13. charm



(i)- Islam is now Complete! Shias be Warned!

Even if Muta (temporary marriage) was allowed during Prophet Muhammad's times, but it is important for all Muslims and non-Muslims to know that Muta was allowed during the partial days of Islam, when the Laws of the Glorious Quran were not all yet Revealed, and for special reasons. But after the Glorious Quran was completely Revealed, one would now have to look at all of the Islamic Laws properly and comprehensively to properly determine whether a certain activity is either permissible or prohibited:
Noble Verse(s) 5:3
Yusuf Ali:

[005:003] Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, God is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Arabic (from right to left):
‏5:3 حرمت عليكم الميتة والدم ولحم الخنزير ومااهل لغير الله به والمنخنقة والموقوذة والمتردية والنطيحة ومااكل السبع الا ماذكيتم وماذبح على النصب وان تستقسموا بالازلام ذلك فسق اليوم يئس الذين كفروا من دينكم فلا تخشوهم واخشون اليوم اكملت لكم دينكم واتممت عليكم نعمتي ورضيت لكم الاسلام دينا فمن اضطر في مخمصة غير متجانف لاثم فان الله غفور رحيم

"And that My Penalty will be indeed the most grievous Penalty. (The Noble Quran, 15:50)"



There are certainly 307 Noble Verses that warn us about Allah Almighty's Severe Punishment to the sinners and the disbelievers in the Day of Judgement.



Also, those who purposely tempt the believers and do not repent from their evil will end up in Hell Fire. Fitnah (فتنة) in Arabic means both temptation and tumult. See detailed definitions below. Any type of unlawful enticement is fitnah, and any type of trickery that leads to a conflict is also a fitnah. This includes but not limited to:

1- Causing doubts in the hearts of the Believers toward Islam by talking negative about Islam.

2- Verbal sexual enticement.

3- Dressing inappropriately, such as wearing bikinis where 99% of the unclothedness is exposed to the public.

4- Encouraging evil actions and decisions such as gambling, drinking alcohol, taking drugs, etc,

5- Purposely causing two parties or two groups of people to have conflicts with each others. See also: What does Islam say about tumult?

And so on, Allah Almighty Said:
Noble Verse(s) 85:10
Arabic (from right to left):

‏85:10 ان الذين فتنوا المؤمنين والمؤمنات ثم لم يتوبوا فلهم عذاب جهنم ولهم عذاب الحريق

‏Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:
[085:010] Verily, those who put into trial the believing men and believing women, and then do not turn in repentance, (to Allah), will have the torment of Hell, and they will have the punishment of the burning Fire.

So there is doubt that the term ميثاقا غليظا is indeed a great deal in the Glorious Quran, and is something that Allah Almighty takes very seriously. Tampering with marriage and/or treating it carelessly is a grave sin that Allah Almighty will punish the sinner severely for. Allah Almighty Said:

"Those who conceal God's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; God will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:174)"

"Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: For them is a dreadful penalty,- (The Noble Quran, 3:105)"
""At length will be said to the wrong-doers: 'Taste ye the enduring punishment! ye get but the recompense of what ye earned!'" They seek to be informed by thee: "Is that true?" Say: "Aye! by my Lord! it is the very truth! and ye cannot frustrate it!" Every soul that hath sinned, if it possessed all that is on earth, would fain give it in ransom: They would declare (their) repentance when they see the penalty: but the judgment between them will be with justice, and no wrong will be done unto them. (The Noble Quran, 10:52-54)"

"Those who join together those things which God hath commanded to be joined, hold their Lord in awe, and fear the terrible reckoning; (The Noble Quran, 13:21)"

"And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): "If ye are grateful, I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude, truly My punishment is terrible indeed." (The Noble Quran, 14:7)"

Let us look at what Allah Almighty Said in Noble Verses 4:20-21 and 33:7:
Noble Verse(s) 4:20-4:21
Yusuf Ali:

[004:020]  But if ye decide to take one wife in place of another, even if ye had given the latter a whole treasure for dower, Take not the least bit of it back: Would ye take it by slander and manifest wrong?
[004:021]  And how could ye take it when ye have gone in unto each other, and they have Taken from you a solemn covenant?

Dr. Munir Munshey (one of www.answering-christianity.com's authors):
[004:020]  In case you want to replace a wife with another, do not take back anything you may have given to her in the past, even if it were a very large sum. Would you take back (your gift) by resorting to slander and a flagrant injustice?

[004:021]  How can you take anything back, after you have already consummated the relationship (and enjoyed each other)? She has secured from you a firm commitment!

Transliteration:
[004:020]  Wa-in aradtumu istibdala zawjin makana zawjin waataytum ihdahunna qintaran fala ta/khuthoo minhu shay-an ata/khuthoonahu buhtanan wa-ithman mubeenan

[004:021]  Wakayfa ta/khuthoonahu waqad afda baAAdukum ila baAAdin waakhathna minkum meethaqan ghaleethan

Arabic (from right to left):
‏4:20 وان اردتم استبدال زوج مكان زوج واتيتم احداهن قنطارا فلا تاخذوا منه شيئا اتاخذونه بهتانا واثما مبينا

‏4:21 وكيف تاخذونه وقد افضى بعضكم الى بعض واخذن منكم ميثاقا غليظا



The same ميثاقا غليظا Great and Solemn Covenant was also taken by the Prophets:
Noble Verse(s) 33:7
Yusuf Ali:

[033:007]  And remember We took from the prophets their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant:

Dr. Munir Munshey (one of www.answering-christianity.com's authors):
[033:007]  (Remember)! We have secured covenants from all messengers, including you, Nooh, Ibraheem, Musa and Jesus, the son of Mary. We have obtained from them a solid and solemn pact.

Transliteration:
[033:007]  Wa-ith akhathna mina alnnabiyyeena meethaqahum waminka wamin noohin wa-ibraheema wamoosa waAAeesa ibni maryama waakhathna minhum meethaqan ghaleethan

Arabic (from right to left):
‏33:7 واذ اخذنا من النبيين ميثاقهم ومنك ومن نوح وابراهيم وموسى وعيسى ابن مريم واخذنا منهم ميثاقا غليظا

Here a divorced woman has the right to what we call today maintenance or alimony payment. Again, another clear-cut proof that marriage is very honored and sacred in Islam.

"(Remember), if you are in doubt about the ‘iddat.’ of your women, _ either because they are past the age, or haven’t yet started to menstruate _ it lasts three months. The ‘iddat’ for the pregnant women (is three months, or it) lasts till the termination of pregnancy. (iddat: the period after divorce during which a woman is forbidden to remarry). Allah (grants a leeway and) makes matters easy for the one who fears Him. (The Noble Quran, 65:4)"

"(During the period of ‘iddat’) have the (divorced) women live where you live, as your resources allow. Do not abuse and mistreat them, in order to harass them. If they happen to be carrying (your) child, then spend and bear their expenses till they carry their pregnancies to term. If they are nursing (your child), then compensate them in a fair and equitable manner. Settle the issue (of compensation) between you and your (former) wives amicably. Should the matter (of compensation) be difficult (and hard to resolve), then any other woman may nurse the child. (The Noble Quran, 65:6)"

Again, more alimony payments and more honor to marriage and more discourage and resentment by Allah Almighty toward divorce.





(b)- Marriage is a ميثاقا غليظا "Great and Solemn Covenant" according to the Noble Quran!

Allah Almighty Declared in the Glorious Quran that a "Great and Solemn Covenant" (ميثاقا غليظا) is taken by the two spouses when they get married. How could a marriage of only 2 hours, for example, that is intentionally destined for divorce be a Great and Solemn Covenant?!

"At the end of the (prescribed) period, either hold back your women (in wedlock) lawfully, according to the well-known (prescribed) manner, or make the divorce final in accordance with the well known (prescribed) way. Take two of your fair minded (and respected) men as your witnesses. (Oh witnesses)! Bear the witness truthfully for the sake of Allah! Those who believe in Allah, and the life-to-come, are hereby being asked to heed. Allah will provide a way out for the one who fears Him! (The Noble Quran, 65:2)"

The fact that the Islamic Pharisees (Shias) don't require witnesses for either the marriage and divorce in their temporary marriage contracts, makes it clearly go against Allah Almighty's Holy Words in Noble Verse 65:2.

Clearly, the Shias' Muta is not Islamic! And like I said, the Sunnis Hadiths do clearly state that Prophet Muhammad forbade Muta altogether because the Muslims were going to turn it into a legalized prostitution.

"And if you divorce your wives before having (sexual) contact, but after settling (the amount of) the nuptial premium, then you are liable to pay half of the stipulated amount. (However), there is no harm if the woman gives up her half, or (there is no harm if the groom,) the one who is responsible for tying the wedding knot (pays the full amount and) waives his half. (For the groom) to forgo (his half) is closer to piety. But do not (forgo or) forget to show courtesy (and kindness) to one another. Indeed, Allah (vigilantly) watches everything you do. (The Noble Quran, 2:237)"

Just the fact that she was called your wife for even one hour makes her entitled of half of the dowry amount. That's how honored marriage is in Islam.

"The divorced woman has a right to a reasonable livelihood; and (to provide) it is an obligation upon the pious. (The Noble Quran, 2:241)"

"Oh prophet, (and Oh you believers)! If you (must) divorce your women, divorce them for a (prescribed) period. Count the period (correctly). Fear Allah, your Lord, and do not _ unless they have committed a flagrantly immoral act _ expel your divorced women out of their homes. The women too should not leave their homes. These are the confines of Allah. Anyone overstepping the limits of Allah actually commits an outrage upon himself. You do not know! (During that period), Allah may well bring about something (to cause reconciliation between the husband and wife). (The Noble Quran, 65:1)"

Fear Allah?? So not only divorce is displeasing to Allah Almighty as we saw in the previous Noble Verse and also in this Noble Verse, but if the man is not careful with the divorce and the timing of the divorce, then Allah Almighty will not be pleased with him.

"At the end of the (prescribed) period, either hold back your women (in wedlock) lawfully, according to the well-known (prescribed) manner, or make the divorce final in accordance with the well known (prescribed) way. Take two of your fair minded (and respected) men as your witnesses. (Oh witnesses)! Bear the witness truthfully for the sake of Allah! Those who believe in Allah, and the life-to-come, are hereby being asked to heed. Allah will provide a way out for the one who fears Him! (The Noble Quran, 65:2)"

Here in this Noble Verse, we see that divorce is not only discouraged, but it also has to be done in the most proper Islamic way.

Another look at Noble Verse 65:2 to see how Allah Almighty Commanded that at least two reliable witnesses must witness the divorce between the man and the woman: