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[quote]« #356 on: Today at 02:40:39 PM »

Why would I expect you to comprehend the trinity when you hardly understand the difference with polytheism as in triads. An elementary mathematical understanding would tell you that

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Can you compute that?[/Quote]so swallow this for a moment; 1 x 1 = 1, or 1 x 1 x1 x 1 = 1, or any number of the same format of multipication is still going to be 1. How about this 1 x 1 x 1 - 1? How about 1 + 1 + 1? How about 1 + 1 + 0? Olaadegbu you are a funny dude. I enjoy your stubbornness.



[Quote]The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob can do all things even to become a Man and save mankind from eternal damnation.[/Quote]Adam doesnt have God, according to you. So was Noah, or Lot, or Joseph, or Moses and his brother Aaron, and David and son Solomon the wise, and father and son Zacharias and John. If the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became a man, He had gone against His Own code, and even that He would not have been powerless, crying and then took the conduct of disbeliever to yell out "why"! Why should He be begging? It is true that Muslims dont have the same God with you, if all you consider is the begging.

guys, it is only by mother that you are a jew. if your mother aint jew, you aint jew, the reason Jesus was classified as such. you guys remember sarah and the jewishness is safe, if you have a jewish momma.

Alhamdulillah. With all of these disagreements everyone is concerned for h/her own soul. Praying and supplicating to Allah for Ultimate Mercy and Forgiveness from Him, Alone. I am happy that I am a muslim whose Lord is God Almighty, perfect in all Attributes.

^^^^^^^^^[quote]These triads constituted three separate gods (polytheism), which is utterly different from the doctrine of Trinity that maintains that there is only one God (monotheism) with three person within the one Godhead.[/Quote]Three person or three persons. Which one is correct in reality when 3 is definitely more than 1 by 2 units of same quantity? See how my 2 is followed in clarification by the plural units. How much more should 3 not be followed by plural persons.

Just because you say you are monotheist does not really mean you are. you are a delusional or fake monotheist, because your one god is three persons, similar to single pregnancy with three live births of separate boys or one torso with 3 heads, etc, in other word deformed birth of conjoined triplet. Either one you pick, its a peculiar mess.

if 3 formed children, none of them can say he occupied mom's womb alone. there birth is inferior to the birth of a child who is a singular birth. if his baby brother is claiming that he is a twin or even a triplet with him as well as acknowledging that the big brother's birth is a single birth. people who hear the baby brother shift his positions as above should know that there is a lie somewhere which is actually one of the two.


Your problem therefore is that you are a simple polytheist while the triads of the old were multi-polytheists. if you are happy about your situation, i am sad about your ignorance. But its your choice.

even in olaadegbu's world salman al farsi (RA) is also god.

o gaa fun iwo bobo yi. all the sahabas{ra} are his lords, gods now.

they are free from the label you heap on them. they and their chairman, Muhammad bin Abdallah (AS) have Allah as their God, their deen is Islam, oh you olaadegbu the disbeliever.

Muhammad (AS) is no god or God Almighty. Yet Ali bin Abitalib (RA) is a follower of Muhammad, his boss in the deenu Islam. So how can Ali be God, except those who say he is, if there is any that says it, a imitating you in your saying that Jesus son of Mary is god or God Himself.

Both of you are like the hindus, or the buhhdists. You are all idolaters.

That a good point for you to remember.

toba is called trouble maker, he had to call me 'real' trouble maker. you were being called out toba because your greeting is really out of place; you didnt greet the muslims on either of the Eids, but you conveniently remember to greet them when it is a meaningless holiday[s]. this is was the issue, and no one is shooing you away except that they see your greeting as hypocritical, similar to a jewish greeting muslims for yum kippur.

ogbeni, maa bami loruko jeee o. its the lies of the christians that i challenge them on, though my action may seem like insulting or abusing the christians to you, because of your point of view. how did i abuse or insult christian man Tonye-T based on his lies, which the guy went underground upon, without defending his claim and or answer my challenge? okare toba; the friend of martha with her efo riro.

^^^^^ even if the heritage is actually the age of darkness in your eye, considering that you dont even want to share your lovely husband with a co wife, which is not the way most african heritage[s] roll? seyi wants us to go back to the time multiple birth children are slaughtered for no reason except just that.

the true defender of individual freedom, including the right of women to choose, is classical Islam. if Muhammad (AS) is the head of the world government, today, you will still have your right to remain a disbeliever, paying taxes like believers, just as well. religion is good when you meet good people who practice their religion[s].

this is what i focus on as i practice my Islam, allowing you to practice your non-islamic religion which you call christianity. having a dialogue with you about it serves only as a reminder, and nothing else, a natural inclination as a duty to call people to what is good.

there is no force into true belief; Islam. you can force the body, but not the mind, so what therefore is gained but zero?

dont the multiple godworshipers have any sense? how does an idol become your object of worship, even if he is taking the same breathe that you are taking? a god that is like his worshipers, is actually a god like the hubal of pagan arabia, and before like the baal of abram's ur of iraq. either form, there none of them is God Almighty Creator Who is Truly the Object of sincere worship.

[Quote]« #346 on: December 26, 2010, 08:14 AM »

Quote from: bashy_demy on December 26, 2010, 07:41 AM
^^is that suppose to be a trick question? maybe you will have to answer this first its xmas period some xtains who are financially ok some kill Ram or goat, some kill cow and some kill chicken tell me what are they for and is Christmas biblical? you think to think carefully before you ask Question some other time cos the question you ask is vice versa show me in the bible where its says Jesus was born on 25th or where the word Christmas is in the bible

I knew you will fall for that bait hook, line and stinker Tongue Let me entertain you with an analogy from the Muslim world that describes the Holy Trinity.

When you celebrate Abraham's sacrifice of his son, which you erroneously thought was Ishmael you have what is called the principle of 'kubani' forgive me if I did not spell it right you also call it id'el ata or something like that, where the sacrifice is done in three parts:

* For oneself

* For friends and family

* For the poor[/Quote]the bold is classic in the joke column. you need to do stand up comedy among the muslims. you will have every one laughing. the 'for friends and family' is like jesus and his mother, while the 'For oneself' is like the Father? then definitely the for the poor is like "the ghost"?

i wonder if when i share anything with 2 others, if trinity is not in play? oh, it has to be in tripod, platforms with at least 3 legs; pikes.

olaadegbu cheapens his god that they are actually gods. the same like the onishangos, and since he is using ephesians, above post to proof his point, the very same way the people who cry out "oba koso" do, or like our honorable ifa priest, pastorAIO will do with his odu of ifa.

@JeSoul; « #5 on: Yesterday at 08:05:35 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 07:52:55 PM
while I dont see a separation of Mosque and Politics, since Islam is a religion that never leaves a muslim in all his/her dealings, affairs, Islam itself is there political. The Mosque was the center of all islamic affairs during the lifetime of the Messenger (AS), the person who was the embodiment of the religion.

There is nothing wrong in being conscientious Islamist, realizing the responsibility that comes with being a muslim; obeying the Laws of God, being responsible to Him alone, which entails your deep love and painstaking attention to preservation of His creation.

Allah says in the Quran that those who get the best meaning of the verse of Quran when they hear it are those who are endowed with wisdom, knowledge. People for the most part have turned islam over its head, choosing instead their own evil agenda and coloring it with the cloak of Islam. A man who is a sadist is the one that will not see how Prophet Job (AS) was told to deal with his wife in the Quran, instead will result into picking up a cable wire to beat her "lightly". Same type of ignorance will not make a parent send a child to receive secular education along with Quranic education, when Allah says in the Quran that exploration and research of 'nature' make a person know who his Lord is. It is the same type of mentality will drag a person to commit murder, even suicide when God Almighty stated that preservation of life is a preferred alternative to killing.

The bold speaks more directly to those who say they are "Gods/gods, God's chosen people and or children of God, along with those in Islam who are evil doers. I consider these evil doers hypocritical muslims.
Might I ask just one question SN, and please try to be as direct and concise as possible in your response:

Do you believe in the ideology that Islam (along with its beliefs and laws and systems) should spread, and be enforced all across the world as the one true religion? and that this is indeed the goal of Islam and its founder and followers?

Thanks.[/Quote]It is not the intention or the goal of God Almighty Who created and chose Islam for mankind that it should spread, and be enforced all across the world. If it is Allah would not have given man free will and states that no compulsion in religion. He would not have told us that hell fire is the place for disbelievers, which must mean, coupled with the free will people make their own decision to be disbelievers being fuel for hell. Allah says if He had willed, He could have made all persons of the nation of Islam, being believers. But that is not His Will because some might have said they were forced to belief, instead of entering the path of guidance willingly. I will not force anybody. Muhammad (AS) didnt force anyone. And to be dominant even per head count does not mean 100% of the world population. While Muhammad was alive there were disbelievers in Arabia. So there. And you remember the saying; one with God is a majority? That weakens the head count part. And Allah says that most mankind are disbelievers, anyway. Most is more than 50% you will agree.

^^^^^^^ seyi o. maybe what you need to factor in is the reality of human nature. ex(s) tend[s] to get attached to each other. the old adage applies; the person you are used to is easier to deal with than a new experience which you have no idea what you gonna get. Islam says in essence a man who is dumb enough to divorce his wife for the 3rd time, deserves not to be able to have her like that again, even if he wants her so desperately. let her try her fortune with someone else instead of the carelessness of the revolving door predicament in the previous marriage[s] bringing her to divorcee status 3 times already.

what you do not pay attention to in the OT that you are putting up as the grand marquee of "ideal" of marriage at all cost or if there is a divorce no chance of reconciliation is contrary to human nature where people long for the spouse known and want each other back, because the heart rules, overcoming the ego that led to the divorce in the first place. Islam allows the fool me once to extend to fool me thrice.

finally, dont forget that we say that the OT is corrupt, just as NT is. while Jesus of NT laid out a different law than the OT, the reality is that it is human to give each other another chance on top of another, reconciling and getting back together mending the marriage, rather than saying after first divorce, never to get back together or not to divorce at all. the reality, again is what you find to be in human nature; to err is human, the reason Islam allows the possibility of return, after another. after the grandiose of OT, we see in it that a woman who is married and lost her husband is passed on to a brother of the deceased, whether she wants it or not. she may have to wait until a little boy is old enough to mount her. she is at the mercy of a ruling that completely dehumanized her, and opposes the ruling of after divorce you are not to comeback together. Just imagine the humiliation of being stuck with men in a family that a widow will have to wait for the brother, even when he is already married and you said Eve was the only woman in the life of Adam, yet Jesus said all the OT must be fulfilled, without dropping a jot from it! who is not being sincere here?

the thing i like that seyi said is that no one can make anything except using what God provides. This is a Quranic verse in Surah Ghafir which says "Allahu qalaqa kun, Allahu ta ma lun": Allah is your Maker and He is the Maker of what you make. Seyi is on her to Islam. May Allah make her journey easy. Amin.

@All muslimu wa Muslimatu: I think is high time all of this ended. Do it for the pleasure of Allah. No more bickering. Salaamu alaykum wa Rahmatulah.

if jonathan called people outside to investigate the inside of nigeria, he is definitely a bad luck, because there is no goodluck in it. i lost my respect for all who took this step for invasion, without a war.

we have nigeians outside in security operations who could handle this issue without any problem. to not have allowed that as a process, it seems to me that our leaders have no brain in their head. every which way the outside people will make themselves permanent, they will employ it; especially the mossad will lay down more confusion, more deceit than ever before.

Good bye Nigeria. A society that cant work her own problems out, needing outside help is done. I pity my beloved Nation, the place whose blood runs in my veins. I guess those who want her disintegrate now have their window of opportunity.

while I dont see a separation of Mosque and Politics, since Islam is a religion that never leaves a muslim in all his/her dealings, affairs, Islam itself is there political. The Mosque was the center of all islamic affairs during the lifetime of the Messenger (AS), the person who was the embodiment of the religion.

There is nothing wrong in being conscientious Islamist, realizing the responsibility that comes with being a muslim; obeying the Laws of God, being responsible to Him alone, which entails your deep love and painstaking attention to preservation of His creation.

Allah says in the Quran that those who get the best meaning of the verse of Quran when they hear it are those who are endowed with wisdom, knowledge. People for the most part have turned islam over its head, choosing instead their own evil agenda and coloring it with the cloak of Islam. A man who is a sadist is the one that will not see how Prophet Job (AS) was told to deal with his wife in the Quran, instead will result into picking up a cable wire to beat her "lightly". Same type of ignorance will not make a parent send a child to receive secular education along with Quranic education, when Allah says in the Quran that exploration and research of 'nature' make a person know who his Lord is. It is the same type of mentality will drag a person to commit murder, even suicide when God Almighty stated that preservation of life is a preferred alternative to killing.


[Quote]Posted by: JeSoul
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and oh, this is also a very solid point too:

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Terrorism, they argue, is rooted in poverty, frustration over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and memories of western imperialism. In other words, so the argument goes, the West itself is to blame for terrorism. If only the West would apologize, make reparations, abandon Israel, leave the Middle East and Afghanistan, all would be well. Or at least that's where the root-cause crowd's assumptions logically lead.

The problem with this materialist view of terrorism is that it largely misses the spiritual motivations that inform Islamist geo-politics. As political theorist Barry Cooper argues in his book, New Political Religions, or, An Analysis of Modern Terrorism, the Islamists, like the Nazis and Communists, are motivated more by a "disease of the spirit" than materialist aspirations. "When ordinary human beings see themselves as specially chosen by God, or even as gods themselves, they are not necessarily psychopaths, but they most definitely are spiritually disordered."
Squarely on the head.[/Quote]The bold speaks more directly to those who say they are "Gods/gods, God's chosen people and or children of God, along with those in Islam who are evil doers. I consider these evil doers hypocritical muslims.

@Ayusman16: « #192 on: Today at 01:16:28 PM »
[Quote]I laff when people say Islam is a religion of peace. Just imagine if it was mosque that got bombed or Muslims killed? Hell would have been let loose. Despite what the Islam and its followers perpetrated against Christians during Xmas and New Year, we were asked to pray for peace in 2day's services. No Christian will take up arms and kill fellow humans. May God forgive those who raise their hands against Christian. God will fight for us.
[/Quote]Barbari Mosque was demolished, in India. The nature of man is to do evil. Most of the wars against Islam or Muslims in the last few decades always begin in the month of Ramadhan. My caution is to the muslims.

The Northern Muslim man started this thread, inviting "all Muslims", most people began to tribe separate the Muslims. If the poster calls for Islamic unity, whats so wrong about it? Is that not the beginning of a new dawn?Imagine if we have 50 Million Nigerian muslims with his mind set. What a difference it will make. Imagine that!

@Engineerd: « #164 on: Today at 12:19:52 AM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta,
Renounce your religion and start using your brain! What is your definition of civility Dumbass, by the way, i think my comment is a universal truth. If you read it properly, i said IFF (which is conditional), cause those are the claims made by the "extremist" muslims, whateva that is! So i still stand by my words, IFF the the quaran preaches violence again unbelievers, then your leader mohammed is an animal and a MAD man! Trust me, i am not saying this as a christian, i would exchange words with you, but we are all seating behind the comfort of the WWW. so anyone can say anything, but i caution you, choose your words wisely, its not a threat! i guarantee you that.[/Quote]And you are right with the second bold, which is the reason the first one could come out. After all in Onisha Market, there must be some respect for elders. Learn it. Worse is that you continue to insult a man who could have restructured the difficulties of Nigeria by one singe speech, it not by one single sentence that "all mankind is a brotherhood, children of Adam. So take care of one another".

How is Saraki, a northerner, with an Ondo State Mother, and Ilorin [Kwara State] of yoruba Origin named father? The Sarakis must be playing with the minds of the Nigerians who have not challenged them about this dubious claim.

The Kwara people need to dump them. So do the Yorubas. So do the Northerners.

I cant stand hypocrites; the Sarakis at least in politics are.

Toba didnt extend any good wishes or strong hand of love during ID Fitr, ID Adha and Islamic New Year.

What a big time Hypocrites.

He is Yoruba. Just imagine if the Onishango greets you "happy Shango" but ignored you in your Easter few weeks or months before!

So how do you expect muslims to react, man, toba, with your obvious hatred?

As much as i disagree with the tactics of the palestinians, their frustration is the only reason they have resorted into such terrible process to seek redress and or justice in their own views. But they need to know that the end does not justify the means and Islam is to elevate our character, and they need to refer to Islam, in everything they do. Get the correct meaning of the verses, and not dubious meanings allowing you to do evil. Allah warns that one should not be unjust because one dislikes a person/people.

@Yommyuk: « #213 on: December 31, 2010, 10:13 AM »
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woww yummy are you trying to say Moses,David,Solomon,Abraham, Aaron,Lot etc are also sinner

Numbers 20 told us how Moses struck the rock in disobedience to God at Kadesh making him a sinner

2 Samuel 11 also confirms David sin. Abraham was not perfect either by bowing to the will of Sarah and marrying a slave. Araon too bowed down to the pressure of the Israel by allowing them to make a golden calf - the list goes on

So can I throw this question to you, Did Jesus Christ sin? what about Mohammed?

Please get your brain working Alhaji[/Quote]If Moses sinned by the mere striking of the rocks, then Jesus must have sinned many times, at least his ". . . . . why has Thou forsaken me?" cry is obvious a "blame" that he was heaping on his Eloi.

I was going to ask you to show me why no Christian or Jew said to Muhammad (AS) as a challenge throughout his life, since you thought he copied their books, while he condemned them for what they do wrong "christians with their trinity and jews with their taking their scholars as patrons" and their refusal to enter Islam, with the fact that no religion will be acceptable except Islam on the Day of Judgment? Are you for real, man? The burden of proof is upon the accuser. So tender your proof, except you have none forgetting that the Lord God revealed Quran to Muhammad (AS), Torah to Musa (AS), Sabur to Daud (AS) and Injil to Isa bin Maryam (AS). The three before the Quran which claims that they have been compromised; corrupt.

Tell me how a Book like that will quote from what it says is corrupt, already? When he said it, no Jew or Christian challenged him except that they wanted him dead, fighting him, planning against him all through his Prophetic life, cooperating with Makkans, even. You yommyuk is a man who should be seriously be ashamed for your accusatory lie. SHow me a Bible that is not corrupt, and I personally will mention 2 that are corrupt, sending their readers in confronting you. The fact is that all of them are corrupt, since nothing remained from Jesus of Nt (by the way from acts of apostles onward to revelations are additions after Jesus; sign of corruption). Nothing remained of 100% of Ot in time of Jesus, the reason he railed on the Jewish scholars so much.

^^^^^^^While you have the right and freedom to say what comes to your mind, civility should tell you that there are things that should not be said out, especially when it is not true, and many will be offended. Read your Bible and see what your gods (jesus included since you claim he is a God even in OT) did to disbeleievers; starting from Egypt until the last war in Palestine, if you like; Canaan.

Did Muhammad (AS) killed disbelievers because of their disbelief? the answer is no because there were disbelievers in Madina when he was the most important and most powerful human in it. The same case was when Makka was opened.

You need to get out of Onisha Market, after the end of trading time. To lock yourself, permanently in such isolation is the reason you utter what you said.

The tradition of Muhammad (AS) is to ignore a deranged mind, hence you are now ignored. If you die in the state of animosity to the beloved of your Creator, your situation will be such of full regret.

@akacoded: « #36 on: Yesterday at 11:46:49 AM »
[Quote], really and truely i dont know why my fellow christians 'argue' over things that not in the first place, from the subject of this topic one can deduce that the person that started it is a kinda religious fanatic studying the Bible to search for supposedly 'loop-holes' so he can lay a bold claim to the lies he has bought into, its even mo disgusting to see people like him & his fellow blinds only to confirm the truism that 'common -sense is not common after all',[/Quote]There are plenty loop holes in the Bible. You know it, all christians know it. i dont know why you wanna deny it?


[QUote], i was expecting the person that started this topic (whoever & whatever your name is) to tell me the morality in a full grown old man defiling and violation constantly (claiming its marriage) a minor thats not even up to twelvw years old in some cases (u can ask sanni yerima, a moslem faithful if im lying), i was expecting him to tell me the moraliy in al-phas putting defiling children claiming they are teaching them the quran,[/Quote]If you find any verse that says a woman or man should be married as immature persons, please point it out to us. What a person does outside the tenets of a religion, one should not blame the religion for it. I will not blame christianity for alcoholism, for example.


[Quote], i was expecting him to tell me the morality in the killings of mo than 80 people in jos Nigeria and all over the world by 'moralist' Smiley who claim they are fighting a 'holy war' (c'mon), in fact the started of this topic and his fellow blinds should be watched thorouly cos they might be members or leaders of some rass-klass group or even groups,[/Quote]so if a person has opinion different on religion from you, he or she is now a suspect? You common sense is really the standard of "common sense". Am sure you agree with the spanish inquisition where muslims and jews were killed, expelled or converted.


[Quote], i implore my fellow christians brothers and sisters to desist from this kind of arguments, i know its not easy but let fools continue fooling themselves and the best we can do to them is pray for them and reach out to them still, God is not a coward or a weakling that a mere human craeted by Him will fight for Him,[/Quote]thats not what the christians in history have done. they have always been fighting for the christian god. you seem to be the odd one believing as you do.


[Quote]notice i use the word 'fool's because they are really and trully, when on person preaches peace & the other preaches violence, when one preaches love even for enemies and the other preaches hatred, when one said he doesn't know where he is going after he DIED and the other knew where he was going and SOME PEOPLE DECIDED TO CHOOSE THE ONE WHO KNOWS NOT WHERE HE WAS GOING, what a pity![/Quote]A person preaching peace but fighting all the time is a hypocrite in my book. a one that preaches love which he cant back up with action when it really comes to it is a hypocrite. i dont know if you know what jannah or paradise means in the Quran, then. you think the jews and or the christians, and or others will enter it, rather than Muslims? Why is jannnah not in your book, but in Islamic Book? Jannah is meant for Muslims and Muhammad [as] is the leader. I dont think you guys know the statement of humility, humbleness? Thats what the messenger gave. By the way, who said he is going to Paradise that you say muslims refuse to choose? give his name and reason you believe he is destined for paradise?

@colin adua and good boi: If the God of the OT is the God of the NT, there is no way that His Personality in OT is now going to be destroyed in NT so that you can be happy as a gentile, when He will not even let His chosen people the Israelites see Him.

Why with all His Pride in OT saying that He is God, and no one else, will now make Himself to a child, nursed by a youth, calling Himself a slave/servant, sent, powerless, and finally declaring that the God is Truly1 and not seen and His Name is Elaw/Eloi.

I cant see this OT God now becoming weak, dependent as Jesus was.

[Quote]« #34 on: Today at 12:24:25 AM »

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And do you know that there have been "saviors" like Jesus in civilizations before him?

rubbish Angry

Luke 1:69
42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”[/Quote]The bold is the granddaddy of all rubbish. Hindus have their saviors, their reincarnates. We see Buhhdists have the same; saviors and reincarnates.

[Quote]Did Mohammed on the other hand practice sexual immorality? YES, HE DID, and this is backed by Islamic scriptures that tell of his many sexual partners, forced and willing![/Quote]If Seyibrown did feel that she lied in many things, in above post, she can make herself happy as she wishes. She has the right. However, I cant stomach this lie of her in the quote.

Not being married may be regarded as irresponsibility. Marrying more than 1 wife for a man cant be considered as immoral, since Abraham who the Jews, Christians and Muslims all clamor on, calling him their father in faith. Are you kidding me, Seyibrown?

And remarrying is not a bad idea, either for either man or woman, especially if they still have sexual desire, after marriage to former spouses. How a people act, if different from the book that the profess to be their religious guide, we call them hypocrites. Even a bad religion will still have hypocrites in it, so is the good religion.

A wife and her husband are allowed to marry each other 3 times before the woman must be forbidden to the man, not being able to remarry her as he did in the previous 2 remarriages. There is wisdom in it and in marriage processes. You are a married woman, you should know how in time the hearts are attached, and divorce becomes a very bitter pill, though it rather be taken instead of fatal attraction.

^^^^^^ And do you know that there have been "saviors" like Jesus in civilizations before him? Like the Quran says It is a statement of their own without any authority, just like people of old. The true Savior is God Almighty Himself; Allah, Elaw, Eloi (TYC). Not Yahweh, or Jehovah, etc and Yaa Allahu is exactly AleluhYaa.


While I may accept your statement of romantic poetry between husband and wife, people of all ages and all classification are reading it, and they find the romance there.

What morality of getting close to being obedient to God is in it? Its more sexting if any woman or text it to his or her friend. No one will say its a religious passage, but more of what it gotten out of seduction.

[Quote]« #193 on: Today at 02:32:30 AM »

@Sweetnecta, buts its so bad when people feel they are so holy and they dnt disrespect people,eventhough Islam forbids people disrespecting,note,am not supporting anyone disrespecting anyone though,but on one thread about WIFE BEATING,you are the first person that aimed at throwing shoes on the scholar,you even proudly said that,you really wish at  throwing the shoes or whatever,you wished it hits no other parts of the Scholars body but mostly the face is your target,imagine you planing such evil on a fellow muslim simply because you dont agree with his v of opinions or his interpretation of the Quran.  while you come here in rage that Lagosshia should mind himself,pls lets live like true muslims.[/Quote]I never said i will hit his face. It is the only place that I said it does not hit, and it is a figure of speech. A scholar saying husband should beat their wives that I in disappointment said a shoe should be thrown at is not the same as a person who continues to insult and even feel that cursing the companions (RA) of the messenger (AS) is his right.

When a muslim does something wrong (like) as in oppression, you support him by telling him the truth that it is not right to oppress. I am not a scholar, but it is clear to me that I should not beat my wife, and it is clear to me that I should not hit or aim at the face, even with my thrown shoes. A person does not have to be religious to have sense. Finally, I am older than our brother LagosShia that he may even be younger than those that came from my body already. I think that in anger, to disrespect an elder is not part of islam. The Messenger (AS) gave good examples of how people from two generations should be treated on the same situation; telling a young man that he cant touch/kiss his new wife in the period he is fasting, while an older man can.

LagosShia calling me a liar is uncalled for, especially when he is a yoruba man, with all the respect for elders you expect from yorubas. My case is nothing, compared to cursing dead muslims, those who actually migrated and supported Islam as believers throughout their lives. Look, if Ali AbiTalib (RA) was able to reconcile his differences with those who led before him, I will take my cue from that. Can anyone alive today guarantee that he /she will have favor with Allah greater than what Abu Bakr will have? I personally will not post in this thread, again.


But Aburo, Oko e ni first person ti o ni lati gbo advise e o. Moo nso fun e tori ogbon ologbon ko nje ka pe agba ni were. Too ba ngba advise lowo eni keni, laije wipe o gbo lati odo oko e, koo dara. I ask Allah Almighty to forgive us all.  Amin.

@Yommyuk: #199 on: Yesterday at 09:13:23 PM »
[Quote[b]]The bottom line is that ignorant muslims choose to deny the divinity of Jesus Christ[/b]. The origin of this standpoint comes from Ishmael , the first son of Abraham, of whom most Arabs share their ancestoral heritage. A product of a union that was not according to God's will but was later accepted by the merciful God. A reason why polygamy can be a very dangerous terrain.

Before Islam, History told us that Mohammed read the bible. We also know that culture and tradition can sometimes cloud ones reasoning and perception. An Arab reading a Jewish holy book probably under no guidiance in the 6th century! A disaster waiting to happen Embarrassed Can be compared to a pharisees reading the Mosaic Law. It is a cause of concern.

But Xtains by faith accept the bible as the Word of God which has been proved beyond reasonable doubt to be true.

John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The gospel of John introduces us to Jesus Christ, thru whom God created everything. "The Word" (Logos).
This Logos became flesh and lived among us as a human.
Humans(me and u) came via mum and dad getting it on with each other via spermatozoa and God breath life into the spermatozoa and (me and u) were created
In the case of Jesus, no man was involved. No spermatozoa. It was Mary and God. God breath life into Mary and Christ came into existence. So tell me who is the father of Christ. In my book, JEHOVAH ALMIGHTY, without a doubt Cool[quote][/Quote]To the bold, especially when he is a servant sent and has no power of his own! The muslims should be ashamed of themselves for not making such a person Lord God over them. This yommyuk man is very smart.

@Seyibrown: quran-m.com/, /index.php?, copy, quran, book, - Cached

@LagosShia: You need to mind your manners. I and you are not from the same generation. I have respected you enough and you think that Islam does not demand the youth to respect their elders. I am old enough enough to have you as a son, and for that alone, learn from hoe Ali bin Abi Talib (ra) respected his elders, Abu Bakr (ra) being one of them in the lifetime of the prophet (AS).

[Quote]« #182 on: Today at 10:11:35 PM »
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 08:33:36 PM
This is a what will the Messenger [AS]say or do moment.
I imagine if the messenger hears a person in this generation cursing his wife and or his companion?
The messenger predicted the martyrdom of both Ali and Hussaine, but he did not predict that his "companions" will be cursed by people of later generations. Those men who followed Muhammad with their mind and means, are now being cursed.
Allah says of the wives of the prophet; you are not like ordinary women.
Do we expect that Muhammad will those who curse his wife, and his other companions?
Do we expect that Allah will choose them over the sahabah?
We need to watch our tongues. Mat Allah have Mercy on all of us. Amin. Alhandulillah, we are all alive yet. Taubah is still possible for each of us. There is no need to be vile. I am a husband and also a father. I know that my wife is very dear to my heart. She knows my secrets more than my child. I will not be happy to hear a person who is on my team insult my wife because he or she wants to support my child.

We need to watch our tongues while you are such a big liar!!![/Quote]The reason I am such a big liar is . . . . ? I will need an answer from you, please. Either way, I am not angry because I will not want my Lord to be angry at me.



[Quote]You are perpetrating lies on the Prophet.[/Quote]Which lie? May Allah forgive all of us. Amin.



[Quote]but i dont blame you.your mentor is abu hurairah,the manufacturer of fabricated hadiths.[b]you said he never prophesied that his companions will be cursed.are you really sure of that?[/b ]have you read so much that you have not found that even in your books?are you saying the Prophet never refered to the house of Aisha as the direction of satan’s horn?[/Quote]I am wondering if any of us muslims alive, today have the same iman as Abu Huraira (ra)? And while you are at it, did the prophet (AS) said he will be happy when a person curses his companion or his wife? The house of Aisha (ra) where the prophet entered. I wonder. Allahu Akbar. Who among men will say that his wife's house is what you say it is, yet he goes there every time? And the messenger didnt teach his wife to remove shaytan or prayed to Allah against such a condition? O gaa.



[Quote]You are typing here sentiments and telling us how the Prophet would not be happy if his wife is cursed.does it matter whether she is his wife or not?[/Quote]Are you married, LagosShia? Are you a father, LagosShia? I'm both and I can reason. When you become a husband, and later a father, tell me which is closer to you between the woman who knows your secret and the child who doesnt. Allah instructed the Messenger to tell people that he the messenger is a human being. Allah says that those who choose the best meaning of the Quran are believers. Allah defended the wife of Muhammad (AS) against slander. We need to not let emotion get into our head. You sir, LagosShia do not have exclusivity to Muhammad, his daughter, his cousin/son inlaw than anyone who just took shahadah this moment. Some of us have become Muhajiruun even today, in hostile lands. After all Ali and Fatima are also Muhajiruun.  May Allah forgive all of us.



[Quote]If you think when we shia keep singing about the matyrdom of Hussain and the massacres against the Prophet’s household is because of favortism you are mistaken and ignorant.we support the Ahlul-Bayt because first of all they were righteous servants of Allah who were oppressed and because Allah has selected them and purified them in[b] verse 33:33[/b].i know now you will take us backwards and repeat like a parrot who has refused to understand that verse 33:33 refers to the wives.[/QUote]While I ignore your insulting your elder, you dont love Muhammad or anyone who believed with him more than me. Islam contains good qualities and ability to hold the tongue. Ali bin Abitalib cooperated with the people you are cursing, here. Is there nothing you learn from Ali's quality?



[Quote]What kind of wife was Aisha that would mount a camel to fight a member of the Prophet’s household?how can she be pure?two pure people fighting and killing themselves?if you are making a case for Aisha that simply because she was the Prophet’s wife she is therefore above justice you are wrong and you are denying the words of the Quran.please don’t commit kufr.we see in the Quran how two wives of two Prophets are mentioned with contempt by Allah and they are destined for fire.we see also how the son of Noah was drowned and Allah told Noah that that son “is not from you”!!![/Quote]Is a wife not a member of the family? Mine is. At least by marriage while she bears her father's name, Allah says she is my mate. If my disagreement with you makes me a kufar in your eyes, there are hundred of witnesses in my life that will vouch for me. My mother will, from my youth.



[Quote]So simply because one is a wife or a relative,does not mean he is perfect.inshaAllah I will post the hadiths where the Prophet spoke about what the sahaba will do after him.and I will also post the hadith about Aisha.[/Quote]So it is us who should be the one to curse our ancestors in this religion, instead of wishing good for them? I will not behave like the christians who say Solomon was an idolater, after I have read the Quran about Allah's View of him (AS).



[Quote]Posted by: LagosShia
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A SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE COMPANIONS OF ISA (AS) AND MUHAMMAD (SA) AND THEIR PART IN BID'A AS THE QURAN SHOWS:

Holy Quran 5:116-118:

And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (116) "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say: to wit, `Worship Allah, my Lord, and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me upThou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all things. (117) "If Thou dost punish them they are Thy servants: if Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power the Wise. (118)

WITH THE LOGIC OF COVERING UP FOR SAHABA,THEN THE CHRISTIANS WOULD CLAIM RIGHT THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE "ESTEEMED" SAHABA OF JESUS WHO TOOK HIM FOR A DEITY[/Quote]Is the bold about the awariyun of Isa bin Maryam,, they who Allah says they are "ansari IlAllah [5; 111-113] or later generations who claimed to be followers of Isa bin Maryam while they choose him for a "lord"?