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The silly pastor forgot that Coptic Egyptians were back people. It was them that enslaved the Children of israel, not the arabs.

These silly pastors are rabid people. It seems as if that title get them drunk with no sense. He might as well be doing Ifa oracle, 2.

@LagosShia: I watched the shia Imam make wudhu. But he washed his hands as i said first. That was my statement initially.
He just wiped the upper part of his feet.

What happened to the other parts? What does a shia do after sexual intercourse, in the process of making ghusl? He washing wipes the foot the same way, and then wash his body and then washing the feet properly?

@LagosShia: « #41 on: Yesterday at 10:41:58 PM »
[Quote]@sweetnecta
why do you like to put words into my mouth and twist the truth?are you not a propagator of misguidance?[/Quote]May Allah not make me what you said I am. Amin. I didnt put words into your mouth and twist anything. If you assumed that was my view, then its a misunderstanding. I am sure that my intention is not what you say of me and I didnt come across like so. If you are going to teach, teach like Musa (AS), for he was better than you, and the one he was sent to was worse than me.



[Quote]who told you that the children of that imam are under age?they are all baligh (above the age of puberty).is it because i used the word "children"?maybe i should have used "offsprings" instead or "sons".[/Quote]if a 40 year old is talking to a mere boy of 20, can you imagine the impression he will have over him? This was what I was expressing in my statement that you are probably at an advantage over them because of the age difference. Or are a mere baligh, too? Am sure if a 70 year old grandfather is telling you about life, he will probably reduce you to a youth, unless if a person lack manners, then one can do whatever he wants.



[Quote]as for the washing of the hands,"uplawal" has answered you right.the Quran says wash your hands till your elbows.you're coming here translating that to arms and telling me i am wrong.you're trying to play with words to make it look i dont know the meaning of hand.[/Quote]Alhamdulillah that we had forebearers in Islam, who say the prophet (AS) performed wudhu, which they copied from him. They were the sahabah, males and females of them (RA). It was Muhammad (AS) who was the authority in Islam among humans. Then next were his companions (RA). These were the people who transmitted the Sunnah of Muhammad (AS) to us, reaching us today in our present generation. My dear brother LagosShia, since Iran is mostly shia, and am sure you agree with their stoning of women or men who performed Illegal sexual acts and got guilty verdict. As I now want you to show me such a punishment of stoning in the Quran, except it is not there, but it was the messenger who gave such a ruling, as permitted by Allah (SWT). Now the washing of the hands as you stated is the washing of the forearms. Those who say Muhammad (AS) performed Wudhu had given us hadith and none indicated that the washing of the hands are to be combo of finger tips all the way to the elbow. If that is the case, do you wash your hands all the way to the elbow before you wash your face or do you not wash your hands after getting out of the bathroom, but use your dirty hands unwashed or you wash your hands as in ordinary cleaning and you say Bismillah and then start wudhu washing your face, as it is written in the Quran, then your hands all the way to the elbow? How do you do it, sheikh? I want to learn. Maybe you are correct. But I want you to explain to me.



[Quote]anyways,the issue is not on "washing".the issue is why you dont "wipe" your head and feet as the Quran orders.we are also not talking about how many times you do this or that.just tell us why you disobey and contradict the Quran.tell us whose sunnah it is to wash feet.why does it contradict the holy Quran.[/Quote]I wipe my head all the time. I wipe the top of my feet if I wore feet covering when I lost my wudhu which I am renewing. I wash my feet when I make wudhu with showering combination. There is no way you can get your whole feet including ankle completely covered with Wudhu water if you "WIPE" as you said. The following is a hadith about Wudhu. May Allah give us guidance Amin. muttaqun.com/wudu.html - Cached - Similar *

Once the Prophet remained behind us in a journey. He joined us while we were performing ablution for the prayer which was over-due. We were just passing wet hands over our feet (and not washing them properly) so the Prophet addressed us in a loud voice and said twice or thrice: "Save your heels from the fire." [Bukhari 1:164, Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr]
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", and then he washed his feet up to the ankles." [Bukhari 1.186, narrated Amr]



[Quote]thank you!

note:doing ablution while you wear socks makes your ablution void.you must remove your socks and when rubbing your feet,water must touch your skin from the fingers of your feet to the ankle area.[/QUote]And the muslims wear Kuff (Leather socks). There is nothing that invalidate a wudhu because you wipe over a covered feet. The same wiping that you are saying is the only acceptable form of making the feet part okay in wudhu! Yet you agree that stoning that is not in Quran is alright in Zina or are you against the Iranian Shia in this? I have read Hadith where the messenger (AS) stated that its okay to wear shoes (Since he wore shoes in salah, except the time the bottom of his shoes had filth), to be different from yahuud who wear no shoes in their place of prayer.

@LagosShia: You asked for Ayah of forgiveness for Muhajiruun (RA). Here is one from Surah Tawbah (Verse 117)

But it covers the prophet (AS), the Ansar (RA).

9: 117: Allah has already forgiven the Prophet and the Muhajireen and the Ansar who followed him in the hour of difficulty after the hearts of a party of them had almost inclined [to doubt], and then He forgave them. Indeed, He was to them Kind and Merciful.




9:118: And [He also forgave] the three who were left behind [and regretted their error] to the point that the earth closed in on them in spite of its vastness and their souls confined them and they were certain that there is no refuge from Allah except in Him. Then He turned to them so they could repent. Indeed, Allah is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

^^^^^^ Why cant you respond with something worth reading?

Allah will inspire from among the disbelievers to show differences between Belief and Disbelief.


A man from Muhammad (AS) listed what Jesus said. If he was God, when he called himself a servant, was he telling the truth or lying?


@Seyibrown: Since the others cant respond to my list, above, maybe you should be the one with spine among them? Answer and shame the boys acting like sisi ekos.

the faking pastor would have been happier if Senator McCain of Arizona won. After all he came from a black womb, so what wrong with the black women voting in Candidate Barack who came from white womb?

faking pastors are plentiful among blacks. the house nigas. the uncle toms.


One should ask him if he lives in Harlem? How does he like 145 and Lennox?

When he wouldnt live in Sugarhill, how do you expect to see him on Edge Combe?

How about when he said "I am a servant of God"?

We know that God of OT was very direct that He was God of the OT. He never called Himself anything less. Never.

Is Jesus God of the OT? Was he lying when he said he was a servant?

Was Jesus lying when he said he has a God Who is One Lord for all?

Was he lying when he said he was powerless?

Was he lying when he said Elaw/Eloi was hid Lord God?

When was Jesus telling the truth considering if any listed above is correct, making him not telling the truth if you say he is God, or son of God?

it s titled "the conversion of pastor Jonathan into Muslim".

^^^^^^Jay595 needs to get his head out of the sand sometimes. I know many people who left christianity and became Muslims. A whole family did; Seyi Williams brought Islam to the family, especially a father that had no Islam in his root of recent memory. Just wait how Allah will change eastern nigeria; the nnewi people will fall over one another into Islam, abandoning Catholicism and all form of christianity.


Yommyuk, you need to look for a saul paul somewhere else. InshaAllah, the possibility of you becoming Muslim, is not far fetched.


There is a thread that is titled "the conversion of Saeed". Go enjoy it.

@Seyibrown: Please discuss each of the Bible verses with your hubby and then respond to it. Allah is subtle in His affecting the heart, if not sublime. He told Moses to be gentle with Pharaoh, and not harsh as some other book says "let my people go!"


May Allah reward the poster and count this as a tremendous effort in his record, taking him on top for Paradise. Amin. We ask Allah for making believers out of those disbelievers who read this; that their souls are affected, softening their hearts so that the Light of Guidance enters. Amin.

Seyibrown: You are smart enough to read my statement about Ayuub (AS) who you call Job. That is beating her lightly. Read it in the Quran. The statement about beating a woman, is similar to the issue of drinking. Before Islam people used to beat their wives. Before Islam people used to marry without a capping number. Before Islam people used to drink alcohol. Each, Allah gave orders upon.

I gave you how Allah allowed the beating of the wife by what He commanded Ayuub to do about his promise.

A husband who wants to beat the wife and mother of their children, who has been described as is mate needs to take a cue or clue from what Ayuub did, since Muhammad (AS) was not recorded beating any of his wife as in hitting her.

You are a yoruba woman and you must have heard "jashon ti won fi noo ijale oonbo wa nooyawo". Pretending and acting blind from the obvious will not help you. I make this statement since the Bible never restrict a man from whooping his wife as he pleases. At least the Quran makes it very clear that beating her lightly as Ayuubb did (Take a look, again).

Your god was born today, so maybe you should ask how a spouse who is more powerful should treat the other when there is a need for beating? My mother never reported that she was beaten by my father ever. And I have seen men in the americas put the light out of a women, ringing the bell so hard that the women needed hospitalization. They call it spousal abuse in the family courts. It sometimes result in the man spending nights in jail or even prison term. And they get divorced because of this.

@Olaadegbu: « #78 on: Today at 05:52:25 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: harmeenart on Today at 05:40:23 PM
@ileke idi:Whats bad about you being a muslimah.Its d best life you can eva have.

This is what awaits the prospective muslimahs.

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Is this what you call the best you can "eva" have?[/Quote]If I imitate, it the man who is sincere that I shall imitate. Did anyone see honesty and makes it to be a lie? What muslims do, if contrary to Islam, its on the muslims. islam stands, alone on the shoulder of Muhammad (AS) who it was completed on.

A man who hits his wife has done wrong, because a gentle hit of a man may be a hard and damaging hit on the woman's body. Allah told Ayuub (AS) to get 100 blades of grass in a bundle and touch his wife with it, in fulfillment of his saying that f he gets better he will wipe her 100 times for being persuasive that Ayuub ask Allah to cure him of a mere 8 years of sickness.

To me, it is the example of "beat her lightly", which is written in Quran, since the granddaddy of Messengers and Prophets (AS), Muhammad (AS) did not beat any wife (RA), even lightly. And we read in Quran's Surah Azhab that they schemed against him. All of these are examples of how to deal in just manners, showing mercy all the way in the hearts of believers. I wonder how substantive the knowledge of a bachelor, and or a eunich on the subject of spousal and or parental matters?

If beating a wife or spousal squabble is a reason to reject any religion, Christianity should have no following. Olaadegbu makes an ASSwego of himself by his thinking, all the time.

@LagosShia: Allah didnt say wash your hands. Allah say wash your arms. Finally on washing or wiping, there is no mention of how many times.

It is in the hadith you will find the washing of hands which must include the wrists, for not more than 3 times. It is only proper to do this if you apply wisdom to its possible reason, since people use the bathroom before ablution, anyhow.

Rinsing of the mouth, cleaning of the nostrils, and the ears are found in Sunnah of the prophet (AS).

Muhammad (AS) made more ablution with his wives than with Ali, or Fatima (RA), for it is these wives who continued to see our beloved messenger (AS) as wives see their husbands.

And to the matter of the wiping of "feet", I now ask you, if you took a shower or lost your ablution with socks on, etc, when your feet are bare, do you wash it or do you wipe it? For example when you are making ghusl?

Finally, do you keep your beard and do you wet the beard after you finish your ablution.


Please show me beard and its length in Quran.



And as to the arabs kids in Lagos, are they not children, seeing you as an elderly person to them, they might have trusted your speech. Children are very impressionable. If I am making ablution, and I see a long line of people waiting, unless the salah is 30 minutes away, and its not Jumuah salah with the Khutbah, I will wash my face, and my arms one time, wipe my head from front to back and return and if I am wearing socks, wipe the top of my feet and then wet my beard. This way, InshaAllah I get the benefit of the basic ablution, plus the consideration of allowing others to make their own ablutions.

^^^^^^In all of your above, you factor out The Real God. You forgot that He Alone is Able.

God makes His creations, man and jinn possess freewill so they can be free to be a believers or disbelievers.

If Jesus was a believer, it simply indicated that he was a creation who obeyed and bowed his will to What God Commanded.

Jesus was not needed to save Moses. Jesus was not needed to save John son of Zacharias.

Jesus is not needed today to save true believers. The Quran is what is needed. That was the revelation received by Muhammad (AS).

^^^^^^ I guess all yorubas are fake arabs. just like all igbos are fake jews. My genuine apology to all igbos who may find this offensive. i am far from intending to offend anyone. but i cant help it but to use it to educate the depe above.


Aletheia, you must have noticed that i sincerely dont give a freak about you?


when the muslims dont care about somebody they say to him "do what you want". so do what you want Mehn (man). Perverted soul.

I will wait with vedaxcool to read that verse of the Quran that says women are OMEN, never mind what time of omen. Thats another subject altogether.

Seyi, please dont keep us waiting until next week. do it now.

The opposite of love is hate.

whats so strange in you christians facing up to reality? Peter was called satan. Was he not satanic at that time?

when the bible records love someone is that not enough for you christian to say that there is probability that the rest were hated?

@Uchemanga: I am working hard to get all of us with IQ less than what is required to enter christianity not get into it. If already in it to leave it for the brainy people like you. Finally, Jesus will tell you with all your brain that he does not know "ye".

Is that a good brain or what? Imagine all the high up IQ that Jesus will relegate to pure filthy brain[s]?

@InesQor: « #10 on: Today at 09:35:17 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 09:25:16 PM
Infant.

Your response shows maturity.
LOL go to school jare. Those two lines are in contrast Grin[/Quote]You havent hear "Child, you are now a man" before? I am truly seeing childishness in you Ines.


[Quote]« #11 on: Today at 09:36:44 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 09:25:16 PM
its unislamic to cause your own death (suicide) and or the death of non-combatant.

I see Cheesy

Tell that to your suicide bomber friends, they are guilty on both counts! Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]You asked, hence my response. None of my friends is a suicide bomber. I have not lost anyone in that process. That will be similar to telling you that your friends are the Oil region hoodlums.


[Quote]Light the dark
"The hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies" Isa 28:17[/Quote]OT is what they relied upon, and they will claim everything is Jesus! Hypocrites.


@aletheia (m):« #12 on: Today at 09:53:26 PM »
[Quote]@Topic: KunleOshob did not mention any names but some people are obviously uncomfortable.[/Quote]The mouthpiece for Oshob (Omo complete the name). The lonely me responded. The swamp is littered with the locusts dying to be noticed. Abeg comot for road.


[quote]Quote from: Things Fall Apart
An old woman is always uneasy when dry bones are mentioned in a proverb[/Quote]Old man is not affected? Then I am that old man, since your name is feminine like Althea, Alexis, Alicia, etc, so why arent you shifting uncomfortably?

@Jay595:^^^^^^ The tone of the above tell us that Jesus is not the speaker. Isnt the Gospel all from Jesus?

And through it all, there is a Hellfire already created. Some people will enter it. Some who called somebody God, or son of God, or even themselves God(s) or deny the existence of God altogether.

If a person with the first 2 ideas enter hell, the quality of the God or son of God that walked Middle east is chalked up to be a lie. We already read from the Bible that Jesus will tell a good size of the christians that he does not know them.

What is the purpose of God being human then? What is the purpose of God having a son then?

Is God Almighty not Enough as Absolute, Alone?


When Jesus said people are vipers, adulterous generations, people of little faith, even calling Peter "satan", none of these is a condemnation? You need a good english teacher jay. Finally, was Moses Jesus? I remember reading that pharaoh perished because he didnt believe Moses early enough. Was Noah Jesus? I remember reading that those who perished in flood didnt believe Noah. Was Lot Jesus? I remember the sodom and gomohrra people perished because they didnt believe Lot. You see that Jesus was not unique in any sense and who was the wife that bore him as the son?

^^^^^^^Infant. Your response shows maturity. is this the best you can do? No wonder you and Olopele see eye to eye. its unislamic to cause your own death (suicide) and or the death of non-combatant.

Oo gbon rara. Now thats classic. And through it, I didnt wish you any evil.

@kunleoshobu: « #5 on: Today at 06:45:52 PM »

^^^
what is dis sweetnecta ranting about Huh[quote][/Quote]Oshobu, or otolorin where is rant? if i didnt speak ijesha, is that ranting? you people are very low grade that whatever is an opposite view to your point is ranting. i'm a muslim and any gods apart from God is a lie and you need to explain your 'lie'.


[Quote]@Nuella2,mabell & newmi

We know the so called men of God that are in it for the money money and your false pastor stans high amongst those who are in the ministry for filthy lucres sake. Ask yourself would Opaks do what he guy i wrote about did? or would he feel to big and rather rivell in his ill gotten wealth and luxuries it provides.[/Quote]everyone is now a man of God, for calling himself that.


@InesQor
[Quote]At the place where I lost my marbles and found my bearings.[/Quote]ask the ifa priest to get your marbles for you. I know between the two of you with the assistance of his ifa and your god (jesus), you will not find it. so call scotland yard's MI5.


[Quote]« #6 on: Today at 08:00:54 PM »

Quote from: KunleOshob on Today at 06:45:52 PM
^^^
what is dis sweetnecta ranting about Huh

LOL the dude is so bitter, his name is a misnomer![/Quote]Bitter because of my entry? InesQor, you are throwing out the label a bit too loosely.

Even if his gallant effort leads to hellfire?

Is there a god (Jesus the servant of God) but One God?

As I admire his leaving his plushy life for hardship, I just cant help to feel sorry for his soul and those souls that are in his camp; wealthy or poor regardless.

when you create your own concept of God and how to worship Him, you have wronged God and the wrong is accrued against your soul.

There is no trinity. There is no duality. Yet there is God; One Singular Creator The Lord God Almighty Who without Him, there is nothing.

Finally to refuse His established process of worship which He gave as the way droplets of rain water fill up a bucket from start (as in the time of Adam (AS)) to the end (as in the time of Muhammad (AS)), the Islam of Adam's time contains Belief in One God Who created, making salah to Him and fasting for His sake. Definitely the same Islam at the end like a full bucket of water receiving its last droplets, in the time of Muhammad (AS) contains the same Belief of One God Who created, making specific amount of salah of 5 per day where each is representing 10 based on the reduction under the mercy of God, not wishing to cause believers hardship, zakat, sadaqah, fasting, hajj and others are now the completed package.

To have left all of these alone and then make up a god(s) be it in trinity or duality or even deny the existence of God altogether amounts to disbelief, calling or not calling a blood of human or animal compounds the straying from the Truth of God. There is no real admiration for falsehood. It is worse than taking fools gold for the real Gold. While they look the same, in their purity, you can know them by their weight differences. While real diamond can cut glass, a fake diamond crumbles.

@Uplawal: « #18 on: Yesterday at 10:55:51 PM »
[Quote]@Lagos shia,its a pity we muslims dont think at all,you know there is an hadith called "KUDSI" Meaning Sacred Hadith different from the normal prophetic hadith,the hadith saying Allah said some things that are not in the Quran,omg,i will never believe that even if it might be meaningful,Quran is enough for guidance and Allah said he never left anything out in the Quran but here the spo called hadith says Allah said some other things,we all need to think,and think for our own good.

@Sweetnecta,in as much as i dnt like to disagree with you,but will dis agree with you on some things like this,[/Quote]My sister, apart from the fact that I dont know anything, we should not hesitate to disagree or challenge an opinion, because from it we may receive knowledge which will help us in guidance. Allah has His ways of educating us. Quran itself is a spirit of guidance brought to Muhammad (AS) by the Holy spirit (AS) from our Lord (SWT).



[Quote]1,As regard to the judgement of Adultery and fornication

Are you now saying Allah dnt know how to specify in matters of judging Astagafurullah!

Allah is so perfect and nothing can change his views,Allah knows the best law to suit every arear of life,so its not befitting anybody to add to whatever judgement he says,because you saying Adultery is more in scale with fornication since the former got a legal way to satisfy his or her urge,fine,but its still illicit relationship and they fall under the same act,5,10,15,20,30 mins fun.so the judgement to me its the same,had it been Allah wanted the punishment to be different,he would have stated it in his book,and no man can create laws for him,not even our Prophet Muhammad,Allah said the prophet should tell us,that He the prophet dnt bring any new thing,so why should the stoning be different and the hadith that says Prophet judge the jews in matters of Adultery,its a pure lie and the prophet cannever do that,because the law itself is not in the Torah that Allah sent,If not the verse that Allah says He brings no new thing will contradict it.

Allah would also ask the prophet about his ummah,you know what,Prophet Muhammad would say,O my LORD my Ummah neglected the Book,now tell me,is it the Hadith that is neglected or the Quran?and dnt tell me its the Quraish the Prophet refers as my Ummah cos the disbelieving Quraish never even accept the Quran in the first place,so it cant be them ,its the muslims,past and present that the prophet refers to,or are we not his Ummah?Allah also says majority believers think they believe but they believe not,but the hadith says the majority are on the right path, o i pity we muslims
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@sweetnecta,yes its prophet Muhammad that Allah refers to,when he said,we should obey him only when his right i.e it has to go hand in hand with the revelation,if not,we should not in 60:12[/Quoote]So tell me what is it in matters of your deen or life that you think you will like to disagree with the Messenger of Allah, especially when Allah says whatever Muhammad give you take it, and whatever he forbids you refrain from it? Allah also says answer Muhammad when he calls you to what gives you life. Allah also says that if you love Allah obey Muhammad, Allah by this will love you back and straighten your affairs, will have mercy on you, etc. Allah also says you have an excellent example in this Prophet. Allah further says obey Allah and obey His Messenger. Allah further says it is not for a believer to have any other opinion from what Allah and His Messenger have decided on any matter.

Now how would you after you have slept, without a socks on handle your feet when you are making a fresh Wufhu, since Allah say "wipe" your feet? How do you wipe and make sure water reaches every part at least up to the ankles?

Finally what will you recommend for a man who is married that committed an illegal sex? The single guy gets 100 lashes. Should the marry man gets the same amount like the single guy who has no ready made sexual outlet? I hope his wife will agree with you in her state of anger.



[Quote]also,in 12:106,Allah says majority are not believers period[/Quote]May Allah not count us among that majority. Amin. From among the muslims we have Munafiqun which is a worse state than straight up Kufr.[/quote]

[Quote]« #341 on: Today at 12:27:23 AM »
@^^^
Brother Olaadegbu. God bless and strengthen you. Keep the comics flowing. Many Muslims are silently reading and making a decision for Jesus. . .which is why these ones are trying to block your efforts; but we know:

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, [/Quote]Make a will quick. I wanna see you pick your own serpent and see what will befall you. You can try the african black mamba first. its small and its not heavy. Let it bite you for starter. If you survive it, then the african python is your next serpent. its strangles, snuffing out the life out of its victim. If you survive it, go to the south american anaconda and its all yours, all its 3 plus feet. if he doesnt make a meal out of you, Indian's king cobra awaits you and I did not even mention the albino pythons that you can have as a pet until its hungry whereby you are on the menu. try your hand on any. And if you cant try it, know that all your show(gun) is for nothing. Talk is cheap, man. Thats what the Jews said to the one they said they hung on the tree or was it the cross? take your pick since you agree with them.


[Quote]and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. (Luke 10:18-22)[/Quote]and after all of the above, we heard "my God" instead of my father. Reality is reality when it came to reality. There was no father, but there is my God. And as for the second bold, please what things hidden? Name them, and without the names of the things, its just a baseless saying. I need to put your feet to the fire, since you are going in it anyway if you die as a Kufir. Finally was it not in the Bible the same satan told Jesus that he satan is given the world? If all things were delivered to Jesus then, why didnt he say to satan "hey, wait and look here all things are delivered to me"? Aletheia is in a big pile of dung. Your bible left you open for much criticism. No wonder Olaadegbu is your hero.

@ileke idi: Omo ekiti. Ora. O ya o though you left some many years ago. I had a few Ikole Ekiti visits.

You know Islam entered Ekiti long time ago. You should investigate Islam before you become an atheist. Florida is filled with Muslims.

There's muslim family involved in construction business in Ado Ekiti.

These christian goons will lie shamelessly to you through their teeth.

they have no shame. They make references to OT when NT has nothing to show. The go to Psalm when they need healing. The abandon NT at a drop of a dime.

Aburo, there is nothing wrong in courtship.

You just have to court the man in the presence of people who are looking out for you. These people are guards against potential husband and wife taking it to the end of the line. be patient. End of the line will come when you are married.

@Seyibrown: « #165 on: Yesterday at 03:40:55 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: DevotedOne on Yesterday at 03:32:28 PM
I do not (as stated earlier) play with The Bounteous Qur'an.

This thread is off topic!

It's okay, Devoted One. I understand the reason Islam does not want the Quran to be examined and why it would persecute and even kill those who tell it for what it really is. It wants people to accept it without confirming if it is indeed the word of God.[/Quote]I am sure you are are drinking for christmas is not until the weekend? Where did you read that Quran is not not to be examined when Allah says in it that "Havent you examined this Glorious Quran that if has not came from the Creator, you would have found discrepancies (discrepancy) in it? Now tell me how the two verses of the Bible below "Your servant Jesus who You sent" and "the Lord of Isreal and my Lord is One God", will make Jesus a God or son of God, being both your claim? Thats my casual examination of your Bible now. The Quran is never in the the hand of the elites, alone. It was never in the possession of the Prophet (AS), alone, but all muslims are encouraged to learn it and understand it and become a scholar of it.



[Quote]If you do not want us to EXAMINE what YOU tell us Islam is, Hold YOUR peace![/Quote]Even there are scholars of Quran among the orientalists, so I dont know what you are talking about. Care to explain how Islam does not want anyone to examine The Quran? You cant make statement without expecting someone to challenge you.



[Quote]« #166 on: Yesterday at 03:57:21 PM »

@ Alhaji sweetnecta Grin

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Hebrew, if thats what you call the family of Jacob (AS) had no laws of their own. At best they must be under the ruling of their great grandfather Ibrahim, who passed down good morality down to them through his son Isiaqa, who passed it down to Yaqub the father of the tribes. Imagine if the law of kidnapping of human being under Noah was applied to the children of Jacob when they sold Joseph after seizing him away from the presence of their father, throwing him in the well, first and selling him into slavery, lying that he was gored by wild beast? Do you think they would not have been killed, except that the ruling of God is True, revealing it at the appropriate time? For people with wisdom, they will see Islam of Muhammad as the right religion, at the right time with the right process of Justice.

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There was not even a mosaic law, because Moses came much later. Should there be mosaic law before Moses? It is not possible since Torah was revealed to Moses and in it Mosaic law anew for him to rule over the children of Israel. At best the law of the land where a crime is committed should have prevailed in the case of Benjamin. But everything was just; his brother was the ruler, wishing to hold him behind, part of what Allah has ordained, leading to the fullness of His Plan for the Israelites in Egypt.

Please, say the bolded above AGAIN, and MAKE SURE 'NAIRANDER Devoted One' HEARS IT FROM A FELLOW MUSLIM! Grin You must have found the above out because you EXAMINED THAT PART OF THE QURAN! Grin Advise him to EXAMINE the Quran so that he can answer non-believers when they ask him questions. Grin

@ Devoted One,

You are also very welcome to EXAMINE the verse below:

2 Timothy 2:15 (Amplified Bible)
15Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.

You might just be able to understand why it is OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE that you EXAMINE THE QURAN instead of 'CRAMMING'(memorising without understanding) IT! Grin[/Quote]And Timothy who called disbeliever of his faith "Infidel" turns to God, when it is most convenient. They often abandon Jesus, just as they abandon The Gospel for Psalm of David when they want "miracle of healing or wellness". What did Jesus say, instead of Timothy with his 2;15? Or is Timothy another god, like Jesus? I see that Yahweh always have not real place or position on any matter with the christian. Funny people.Falling for everything and standing for nothing real.

@jay595; are you drunk with ignorance?

where is t that God said oh Jesus go and carry the sin of the world, because without you, i will not forgive anyone?

show us the muslims, please.

Christians are full of it. they cant take spiritual responsibility for themselves.

i wanna see how smart you are, sir. now show me where Yahweh needs Jesus for anything? no wonder the jews dont want anything to do with you people with warped concept of Yahweh in His ability to be a just and benevolent God.

I wished I am a computer genius, I could have up loaded from Youtube the "Banned from the Bible" series video.

In it, Olaadegbu could listen to the revelation that the Giants produced by Angels of Christian gods shagging women of the world are really giants.

How tall are they? Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, Tall. So how come Muhammad (AS) was not correct about Adam (AS)? Was Olaadegbu expecting a puny Ittie Bittie Innie Winnie beings around major giant creatures like the dinosaurs?

Is adultery worse than fornication? Yes.
Is fornication a sin with known punishment? Yes.

Should they have the same degree of punishment? No.

Anyone who knew Muhammad (AS) would not doubt that if there was a singular adultery in his community after the law of illegal sex was prescribed, he would judge against the guilty with tempering his judgment with mercy.

Were there any he ordered to stone? Yes. he even passed judgment over the jews, using their torah which they were covering up thinking that because he was unlearned, he will not know, forgetting that Allah equiped him with all that he would need right there and then.

In an incident, demonstrated the mercy that Allah put in his heart, after the sahaba (RA) reported that they stoned to death the man who was renouncing his guilt, the Messenger said you should have left him alone when you heard him denying his guilt. The case of the man should have been left for Allah.

I disagree with the way people carry out the punishment now sine they always gagged the person; burying him/her so that there is no movement and then wrapping the mouth so that the ability to cry out and take back the guilt is eliminated. These two are not from Muhammad (AS). More so Islam came to better human condition and show mercy. Most muslims of today are far from both.


I personally dont disagree with stoning. But I will not witness against anyone in this matter, either.

Olaadegbu is a yoruba man. I am going that assume that regardless of his age he must have seen some yoruba homes with orisha or ogun stashed in front of their homes or in their courtyards.

Heck, we have an ifa priest here parading himself as a pastor. Ask pastor AIO about these things.

With that said, since Muhammad (AS) overcame the disbelievers of Makka, destroying their 360 idols in Makka, has there been a single history of Idol in Makka? When Muhammad (AS) was in Madina before it, was there any idol among the muslims? Is Islam itself not the anti thesis of idolatry?

Finally, the Bible recorded even King Solomon the wise, with all his wisdom worshiped gods. Before him, the children made a gold stolen from the coptic egyptians to make a yahweh in the shape of a heifer while Moses was away.

Do we have the same history in islam of Muhammad (AS)? Show me that period, Olaadegbu.



I dont know allah. But i sure know Allah; Al Ayul Al Qayum. And my Creator Alla is Unlike me.

You are not a child and there is no excuse for you to behave like one. Honesty is a good quality, develop it.


If an idol with a moon was found in palestine, who lived in palestine until islam opened it? Is there a time that islam allowed idol in her mist?


And Muhammad split the moon. Is that not a testimony that the moon was nothing, similar to how your god was split to 3 gods?   Olaadegbu guy is ridiculous in his thinking. You might as well beginning ifa apprenticeship under AIO.