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SalC:
Lolz and who says you can't be both?

hahahaha, Just checking if your thoughts for me are thoughts of good and not the other.

SalC:
Syncan you will make a great poet, what say ya?

Yes the air is filled with so much love so to say but am afraid some of us only know the purpose in words and not indeed.

A lot of people are more interested in the type of cloths, shoes and hairdo they will be wearing than they are of the kind of heart they will be presenting before God as we commemorate the birth that brought us grace and salvation.

I recall, during lent we always chant the 'tear your hearts and not your cloth' can we not chant the 'Purify your hearts and not your wears' this season too.

Most times I see so many cases of misplaced priorities. A season that is supposed to be a joyful one has been turned to the 'I must make it or die' season.

Growing up, we usual feel eager and look forward to the Christmas confession in our parish. You see our youths troop out for Christmas confession. We wanted to welcome the new born king with a pure heart. But today, that lovely culture of the youth is gradually fading away....God help us.


Well I won't still forget the joy and love spread in this season, positive! Positive they are. It's already being spread and we too should join the train. Let's look around and there must be someone we can put a smile on his or her face individually or collectively. Let's not hesitate to do so.

May the birth we await also bring us the renewal of our hearts and minds. May it also bring us untold joy , blessings and immeasurable favour through Christ our Lord.

Good morning brethren and do have a love filled day ahead

Nwanyi oma, I hear you, na where money no dey you de call my name. Why can't I make a great NSA?

marykaydee:
Wow,i did go through it. He's got historical bases so i give it to him. Am aware that not all jewish history is and can be recorded in the bible.

Am glad you found it enlightening, remain blessed.

marykaydee:
25th dec. Is not an actual date. It was setup to fit the Christian calender. Just like mothers day,world health days werefixed on such days for their significance

Hello, If you've got some time, you may want to visit https://www.nairaland.com/2060260/yes-christ-really-born-december#29170885, I just felt it's worth having a look in at what Ubenedictus was saying there. No vex o.

From Today's Reading.

“O my dove in the clefts of the rock, in the secret recesses of the cliff, Let me see you, let me hear your voice, For your voice is sweet, and you are lovely.”Songs 2:8-14

There's a feeling in the air at this period of advent, ChineloSA dear do you notice it? An ambiance that inspires love. SalC dear one, the nights are cool, seasonal birds are back and their melodies fill the air. Jnrbayano bro, everywhere reminds you of parks and gardens with Christmas trees and accompanying decorations all around. Auntie debbie, It's a time that brings back lovely nostalgic memories of a period; a time of fraternal exchanges, abundant merriment, first love thrills, youthful adventures up to more recent recollections. Kamsified nne, smiles are everywhere handy; with gifts not far away, especially at sales outlets. Music from the sound boxes are particularly soft and joyful and the message of peace is rendered by almost all who mount the speakers, Rich4god, nwanne no be true? It's a time people plan to look their best and there's a boom for the fashionistas, mariagorreti, omalicha i greet you. What sort of love is it that does not display its affection in this time, in words, material exchanges or physical presence, Peppyluv02 ada oma, o kwa ihe ekwuru ka a na eme? Indeed, indeed there's love in the air, and Christ the Saviour is caught up in it, Jennydoris. You know what; Chikk nwanyi oma, He through whom and for whom the world was created, but who chose to be born in a manger for the purpose of drawing you closer to Him, is hit also by the bug of love in the air at this time. Ubenedictus, I remain Loyal o. Jesus is in a relationship with you, aye, with your soul. Aizenosa, beloved bro I hail. Will there be a display of affection between your soul and Him in this season of love?HurricaneChris bro, Hush! Listen quietly, eyes on the red fonts above, and hear the soft melodious voice saying: "Let me see you, let me hear your voice", Have you met Him at the confessional, did He hear your voice there? Babestell asa be anyi, did you look for Him in the poor,did He hear your voice giving alms and doing good? btoks dear brethren, I salute you. Egovinmma, Sunshine I ask again, what manner of love resists display at such a season? The Lord calls us to Himself at this time, OZAOKPE my brother, I send greetings. He yearns for a display of our love, Italo my beloved bro, respect sir. He wants to display His to us and looks forward to receiving ours. FrancisTony bro, how you dey. Stunningjudy dearie, its a time of unprecedented favour from Christ, the love of your soul. He waits for you, blurange, he says "Your voice is sweet, and you are lovely".

Good morning brethren, A splendid day ahead to you all.

vooks:
Walk me through Revelation 8. What did the angel cast on earth?

Revelation 8:5 (AMP)
5 So the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and cast it upon the earth. Then there followed peals of thunder and loud rumblings and blasts and noises, and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.



Zechariah is an extremely tenous scripture to prop angel worship. I stand by my assertion that Zechariah mirrors John 17 and if it indeed was intercession, it was from Jesus Christ but it is not necessarily intercession.


The truth that worship of Angels is sin and worship of saints is necromancy. In fact those are not saints you contact but demons.




Catholicism claims to have 'fellowship' or 'communion' of saints either in heaven or earth. This means saints here can intercede just as saints in heaven,as there are really no dead saints seeing God is God of the living. Why not stretch this further to marriage? Why is it that death dissolves a marriage if there is zero distinction between the living and the dead?

In fact since we have communion of saints, we really don't have widows and widowers. Such asinine and depraved philosophy is nauseating

What is the difference between Negroes who visit cemeteries to talk to their deceased relations and a Catholic chatting with Mary or Mother Teresa?

Despite the fact that I already told you that breaking my posts in such fashion helps you be mischievous, you went ahead and did it again because you actually want to be mischievous and hide the fact that you're lying against scripture. You talked about "angel casting the incense on earth" when I asked you to show me from scripture you quoted this: Revelation 8:5 (AMP) "So the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and cast it upon the earth. Then there followed peals of thunder and loud rumblings and blasts and noises, and flashes of lightning and an earthquake". Please where in this scripture did the angel cast incense on earth? You just put on your robe of accusations and come facing the brethren, yet in Ignorance you pontificate and make a mess of yourself. Scripture is right that only the truth shall set you free and so it is. I have made bold in red font; what the angel cast on earth, since you no longer can read your own scriptural quotes. What the angel cast on earth in verse 5; was "fire taken from the alter of God", this was after the smoke of the incense had "ascended up before God out of the hand of the angel" as seen in verse 4. Please say the truth always, that's how you'll come closer to Christ.

On the rest, I have nothing to say about you quarreling with scripture, and your wild imaginations in attempting to divert attention from your lies against scripture, It's entirely your problem not mine.

vooks:
Go back to Revelation and tell me what happens when the angel is given incense.

About Zechariah, I said this looks like Jesus praying in John 17 but I wonder whether it is a prayer or any sort in the first place.

On marriage, It is not wild imagination sir, Catholicism would like to imagine there is no death and dead men are as good as the living seeing God is a God of the living. Following this thought, it goes without saying you still retain dead spouses still retain 'fellowship' with the living. If you can invoke this to justify praying to demons and calling them saints, why not apply the same to marriage?

This is what my bible said happened to the incense "And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand". Please show me where yours talked about "angel casting the incense on earth". I'll like to see that to be sure you're not importing your imaginations in the name of scriptures.

Again on Zechariah you continue to stand by what you imagine and not what scripture shows.You're no longer sure it was Jesus since I have shown you why it isn't Jesus. Now you say it "looks like" Jesus praying in John 17, yet again you have suddenly start to "wonder if it was a prayer of any sort" Smh. Only the truth shall set you free.

I really don't know how to help you on the matter of marriage, you seem to be asking me same questions that Jesus was asked, let me direct you to scriptures once again : "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living"Matt.22:28-32. Just to help you, Jesus gives us two truths here: 1. The saints gone before us do not marry. 2. The saints gone before us are living. The problem is not Catholicism, It is either you believe Jesus or you doubt him, please make up your mind.

vooks:
Could you please walk me through what part of these verses is intercession?
Zechariah 2:3-4 (ESV)
3 And behold, the angel who talked with me came forward, and another angel came forward to meet him 4 and said to him, “Run, say to that young man, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of people and livestock in it. 5 And I will be to her a wall of fire all around, declares the Lord, and I will be the glory in her midst.’”

About Zechariah 1:12, I said this eerily reminds me of John 17 Jesus praying and is it a prayer anyway?


This is not intercession my broda, if you are determined to read your own things, this is fine with me. You have prayers and you have incense. The prayers are before God already.


I have touched on Xechariah. Stop lying


I need evidence of dead men praying for the living or angels. So far, you have zilch.



Prayers of the saints in Revelation are exactly that; prayers by the saints.

I noticed you ignored the bit about the angel casting the incense on earth. What comes to your mind when you read that? I need to pick your theology on that.



Why are you ignoring it? You are a married man if not a eunuch. You die. Since there 'communion of saints' bla de bla then your wife's still married to you. She has remarried. So she now has two husbands, one in spirit and another in flesh. Is this so because God is God of the living and not dead?

Personally I do not like breaking my posts into bits as you just did, that's an easy way for mischief and is tiresome for me. But I will oblige you this once.

1. Zechariah 2:3-4 was to show you that the angel in Zechariah.1:12 is not Jesus. If he were Jesus, the second angel will not address him like this “Run, say to that young man..." No angel can address Jesus in that manner. So if he wasn't Jesus, then an angel prayed for men in Zechariah 1:12. Now I see you don't even read my posts, you're clouded by what you have already learnt.

2. I cannot help you if you're quarreling with scriptures, all I do is point them out to you.

3. You want to know my theology on "angels casting incense on earth"? Please I need you to show me which part of scripture this happened, or is that a lie against scripture?

4.On your wild imaginations concerning marriage, wife and husbands, all I can do is refer you to Jesus words in Matt.22:28-33.

Ubenedictus:
U JOKE TOO MUCH

I am still a "children" sir, we play a lot with our fellow kids.

vooks:
Nothing gives me great joy than when Catholicism runs to Revelation to support angels intercession.

Let's look at it in detail.
The angel offers incense
Incense rises up TOGETHER with prayers
Incense =/= prayers or at the very least they are not in this verse.

What happens NEXT?


Did the angel cast down to earth the prayers?

And finally, has it occurred to you that the prayers are already in heaven before the very throne of God?
There are two instances of prayer and incense in Revelation and am ever amazed at how Catholicism cherry picks which if the two to prop their doctrine. Let's look at the other one;

Revelation 5:8 (ESV)
8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Why won't you touch this with a 12ft pole? Because the prayers are offered by the 24 Elders who are simply a figure for the body of Christ. I hope you don't imagine they are some special creatures in heaven


Oh the argument about dead and the living! You are predictable.
Would you share your wife with another man?
Supposing you committed sepukku and your wife remarried. Would she be married to two men, one in purgatory and the other in Lagos?

I am not moved by taunts or off point insinuations. I simply showed you clearly with Zechariah 1:12, and 2:3-4 that angels do pray for men and that the angel you erroneously claimed was Jesus; was not Jesus, but an angel as scripture said. Again I went further to use another passage of scripture Rev.8:3-4 to show you that angels still do intercede. Since you had nothing to say on Zechariah; you went to revelations to play around. Why I didn't touch it with a 12ft pole ? I didn't come to this passage because you requested I concentrate on angels intercession and not human saints, so it's a passage I'm pleased to associate with as with all parts of scripture. In that passage Rev 5:8 that you brought out, you are actually showing the twenty four elders, who are depicted as the leaders of the people of God in heaven, interceding for men on earth, the people of God in heaven were once on earth weren't they? However I see you got confused on prayers and incense, maybe you can tell me what the prayers looked like different from the incense. Take a look again at the passage you quoted "Revelation 5:8 (ESV)"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. Can you see the bold in red? what is described as the prayers of the saints? While you're at it, also take a look at Psalm 141:2 "Let my prayer be like incense offered before you...", it says let the prayers be like incense, it means let it be so sweet and acceptable, a prayer which is like incense before God is a prayer which is pleasing to God, an effective prayer, hence must have come from the humble or righteous as I have mentioned earlier. James 5:6. What is intercession or mediation in terms of prayers, isn't it the presentation of the prayers before God? I have told you earlier how Jesus is the one Mediator between God and Man, and here in the revelations, you've seen angels and you've seen human saints sharing in proportions; that intercessory role of Jesus, by presenting prayers before the Lamb of God.

Let me ignore the last part of your post, since i do not understand what you're driving at, It seems you want to prove Jesus wrong. The essence isn't to try and win a debate by ignoring scriptures,it is to open your heart to accept truth when it's brought before you...yes, even and especially by a Catholic.

babestell:
Compliment of the season guys. I hope we are all having fun

SalC:
Happy sunday brethren

Aizenosa:
Happy Sunday family, hope we all doing great

A splendid Sunday and Best of the season to you and all.

vooks:
Sir you are a wise man
Paul calls for intercession and we know Jesus intercedes for us. We can reconcile this by acknowledging that human intercession is way different from the unique Jesus and Holy Spirit intercession.

The point where I differ with Catholicism is he claim that Angels pray for humans and that dead men/saints pray for sinners.

Asking dead men to pray for you is no different from contacting dead men which is forbidden in the scriptures. So while I may pray for you now, once I depart this is just about it.

The subject of this thread is not dead men/saints interceding but Angels. Ayoku777 went off tangent by claiming angelic intercession ceased with Christ. I insist it was never there in the first place.

Now let me summarize things thus:

Vooks (Non Catholic): Angels have never prayed to God for men

ayoku777(Non catholic): Angels did pray to God for men, but stopped after Jesus became the One mediator.

Catholic Church teaching: Angels did pray and still do pray for men.

I agree with ayoku that angels did intercede for men, his examples are apt and solid. You dismiss Zech.1:12 were an angel interceeded for men by claiming that Jesus is the angel, but that's not what scripture says, for scripture never mentioned anything of such, rather we see in Zech.2:3-4 were another angel came to the first angel and told him "Run, speak to this young man, saying...". It cannot be an angel giving Jesus command like that to speak to the young man na haba. They were both angels and it clearly shows that the first angel prayed for men. Again the meaning of what Jesus meant in Matt 18:10 is simply as ayoku777 posited, he has used several examples to support that stand and I agree with him. However he failed it where he brought in an anti-scriptural claim that they have ceased to be before God, for nowhere in the entire scripture did you ever hear that angels of little children stopped being before God. Rather you even see them more as recorded in Rev. 8:3-4 : "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God".

As per your problem with dead humans, all I can tell you is, if you believe Jesus when he said that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are living, then you'll believe that Mary, Peter, Paul, the Martyrs and other saints who died in Him are living. The living pray, and the effectiveness of the prayer of the living depends on how close you are to God. The prayer of the righteous avails much James 5:16, who is sure to be more righteous than those who have won the crown of glory already? In Christ we all relate, we that are here and those who have gone to meet him. This is different from necromancy, even a mere check on the meaning of the word will tell you.

vooks:
The Angels of the then kids were told to busy themselves with something else after Calvary. Thats funny

Let's think through this; why would God need an angel standing before Him to remind him of a child on earth? Isn't it more plausible to see the Angels as simply guardians lookin over the kids to protect them from harm? How would you call this INTERCESSION?

Oga vooks, you simply ignored all the passages he (ayoku777) brought to your attention, just to stick to your claim. That's not how you seek truth.

ayoku777:
Didn't you see the explanation I gave you about that same question? I answered you.

In capacity as mediators, which is to appear before the presence of God in heaven in whatever capacity on behalf of men; angels don't do that anymore.

Because that would null the scripture that says Jesus is the ONE MEDIATOR between God and man.

At bold: Now I see that your problem is your fear of contradicting Jesus as the One Mediator, yet for that purpose; you are willing to go out of scripture and claim that Jesus saying in Matt.18:10 is no longer true. That's contradictory on itself. I however praise you for being bold enough to proclaim the intercessory roles of angels as seen all over scripture, but to allay your fears and to explain to you why the intercessory roles of angels and saints(on earth or beyond) does not diminish nor contradict the One mediator-ship of Christ, I will say this which I have written somewhere before:



(1Tim 2:5) “There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.”

The Catholic Church actually do acknowledge Christ to be our one and absolutely unique mediator who alone can reconcile us to the Father in a strict sense. Thus Christ qualification as our mediator is exhibited in two ways:
1) By his very existence on earth- In taking flesh, Christ united God and Man in His person, for He alone is both God and man.
2) By his ministry,suffering and eventual death on the cross, He paid the debt owed by man and conferred grace on sinful man. In this regards, Christ is our sole mediator.

However, if we take a look at the first verse of that chapter, it says:

(1Tim 2:1) "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men".

Here St. Paul calls us to intercession, yet we know that Christ continues to intercede, since (Heb 7:24-25) says: "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them". St Paul knows this eternal Intercessory role of Christ, yet he exhorts the faithful to "Intercessions for all men" without fear of contradiction, it therefore means that we can participate in these aspect of Christ's ministry according to the level of "bonding" between us and Jesus without anyone feeling that recognition is taking away from Christ. It is like Jesus saying in (Matt 23:8 ) "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master(teacher), even Christ; and all ye are brethren". Yet we see (James 3:1) telling us there are authentically,many masters(teachers) in the church.In deed,(Eph 4:11) says:"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers". St. Paul calls himself same thing, even in that same chapter of 1Tim 2 in verse 7. The Issue here is to understand that members of the body of Christ(The Church) who participate in teaching and mediating/interceding do not take away from Christ as One Teacher and Mediator, for they are in a sense Christ, and serve to establish His offices of Teacher and mediator in Him.

ayoku777:
I never denied a human being can pray for another human. If you have read the posts you will see all the scriptures I used to show that saints on earth can pray for eachother

Ephesians 6v18 - Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

2Cor 1v11 - Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

Phillipians 1v19 -For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

But do we appear before the presence of God in heaven to do the intercession? Because that is what the mediator of the new covenant does.

The mediator of the covenant appears before God in heaven to behold the face of God on behalf of men.

The way angels did under the old covenant, according to Jesus;

Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

And the way Jesus now does under the new covenant.

Hebrews 9v24 -For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God FOR US:

No human being, angel or heavenly saint appears before the presence of God in heaven to pray, behold the face of God or mediate in whatever capacity for any man under the new covenant -EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST.

But the epistles did admonish saints on earth to interceed for one another, not saints in heaven. Even so, that doesn't make us mediators of the covenant. And we don't appear in God's presence for anyone.

Shalom.

So this passage of the scripture : Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. , has it expired? Are you saying that Jesus statement there is no longer true, that the children's angels no longer behold the face of God?

Jeromejnr:
Lol! Chai!

Receive Christ bro! Be free! Receive of His Spirit.

Refuse to wallow in ignorance. god doesn't work with ignorance but faith.

I have many things to say to you but you can't bear them now.

I thought we already said goodbyes.

Meanwhile oga ayoku777, since it seems vooks have been enlightened by you, and he now agrees that it was intercession, abeg when did the angels of the little children stop "beholding the face of God on their behalf in heaven", or have they been disbanded?

Jeromejnr:
Bro! You have a lot to learn.

I could even go over to my experiences, visions and revelations from God, but it won't do you any good.

I am not giving in to debates over scriptures again. You can believe what you want.

BTW, even though I know you won't understand, there is also no where in the scriptures where it says on can use Tongues to cast out devils. But it has been used time and time again by different people as directed by God.

Have you even heard of art worship as directed by the Spirit?

Leave your little camp and expose yourself. I understand there are not much Spirit filled churches in Nigeria. If interested I can show you some in U.S.

Till then, be free from religion and doctrines of men.

Shalom!

hahahahaha, Without answering any of the questions he now says I "have a lot to learn"...He suddenly leaves the scriptures that he said I don't read, which he should teach me, to talk about "art worship as directed by the spirit". Then he assumes that I'm in Nigeria where ("there are not much spirit filled churches" ), while insinuating that he is in U.S, Lol. Finally he gives me an advice to be free from religion and doctrines of men. Hahahahahaha, arrogance in Ignorance!

Shallom dear, Shallom.

Jeromejnr:
When they say study your bible, you guys won't study.

14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

What does it mean to minister and what does it mean to serve?

Ps 103:20 Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, obeying the voice of his word!

When you voice out God's words and angels carry them out, are you praying to them or commanding them?

If we are to go by your accusations then I will ask you why you practice some things that we have never seen in the scriptures.

Hahahaha; he resorts to insults, now he is trying to bring "some things I practice" into the fray rather than defend his claims. When you read angels as ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation as seen in Heb1:14, it simply acknowledges the fact that the angels obey the Command of God (shown all over scripture) to take care of you, it no where suggests that you command angels, nor is there a single scripture to show that man ever commanded angels. Is Psalm 103:20 which you quoted, a prayer or a command?

Jeromejnr:
When you have a house help, do you pray to the house help to do something for you or do you command him?

When you want something from God, do you command Him or do you pray to Him?

Hahahaha, now he talks about house helps when his claim was about angels. Please give me one instance when man "commanded" an angel or was told to command an angel (especially in the manner of your house help) throughout scripture.

ayoku777:
To behold the face of God or look up to Him is always for help.

Psalm 121v1 - I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

Psalm 17v14 -From men which are thy hand, O Lord, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.

v15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: [and] I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

Isaiah 45v22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

We look up to God for help, for salvation (or deliverance), for satisfaction (or wholeness).

And I didn't need to add "on their behalf" for you to get that the little ones were the reason the angels were beholding the face of God. Jesus made that clear

The angels of the little ones were beholding the face of God for those little ones. And it is for help.

Angels interceeded for Jerusalem under the old covenant and beseeched God for Him to have mercy.

Zechariah 1v12 -Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This angel was not questioning God, he was intreating God, to end His indignation against Judah and have mercy on Jerusalem.

And God answered the angel.

Zechariah 1v13 - And the Lord answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words.

To interceed is to stand in the gap between God and a man or a city, for help for that man or city. And that is what these angels did for Jerusalem and for these little ones Jesus talked about.

The context in which Jesus said the angels behold the face of God is for those little ones, and its for help from God.

Shalom.

Interesting points, waiting for Vooks.

Jeromejnr:
I love how you know we can send angels on errands.

Most Christians don't even know that. They think angels are higher than them.

We are to give them commands and not to pray to them.

Examples to show the differentiation in the bold please?

ayoku777:
Read the verse again;

Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven THEIR ANGELS do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

According to Jesus, from these scripture; He said we should not despise these little one, as though they are without help, because they have angels beholding the face of God on their behalf in heaven.

What does it mean to behold the face of God or to lift up your eyes to Him? Is it not for help or in supplication?

He wasn't talking about the angels just starring at God to look at Him, they are beholding the face of God relative to, or on behalf of these little ones.

That's supplication or intercession.

But we have a new intercessor and mediator now though, better than angels -Jesus Christ.

Shalom

hahahaha, Vooks over to you. You should have questions from this post surely.

OZAOEKPE:
SURE BRO, IMAGINE HOW WONDERFUL THE WORLD WOULD BE IF EVERYBODY IS HAPPY AND OK. ITS MY GREAT JOY IF THE ECONOMY IS GOOD, THERE WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT IN ALL ASPECT OF OUR LIFE.

Indeed bro, indeed it will be nice to have everybody having the basic needs of life...Though not too rich; such as to deny God, nor too poor; such as to steal and take the name of God in vain. Prov 30:9.

OZAOEKPE:
I OWE GOD MY LIFE, FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE IN MY FAMILY. WHILE OTHERS ARE WAILING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, WE ARE SMILING

I rejoice with you and your family, while praying that the economy improves for all too; that our joy may be complete in that aspect. Hoping that His mercies on you draw you closer to Him in the Eucharist.

OZAOEKPE:
I JUST NEED THE GRACE TO GO FOR THE SACRAMENT OF 'RECONCILIATION', I KNOW I NEED IT TO PUT ME BACK ON TRACK. I HAVE NOT BEING SHARING IN THE 'SUPPER', AND I ALWAYS FEEL THAT GUILT IN ME. FORGIVE ME LORD FOR..........................................

The grace is available bro, that's why you typed this. So we're looking forward to a Joyful Christmas with good news from you.

With you in prayers.

Stephansmily:
Chisos

Abomination


Am sorry to say this op...but there's only only one way

CASTRATION

After doing that..give your life to Christ... confess your sins and report your partners in crime.

Ya Ya...don't mention, you're welcome.


Cc: Syncan and italo please advice this brother

Ada mmadu, Lk.9:60

babestell:
Happy Catholic new year. May the celebrations this Advent bring us joy

Hmm...Welcome.

^^^Happy Sunday Jennydoris. Thanks for sharing.

italo:
Grow up people.

Stop believing every idiotic lie told against the Catholic Church.

Rather ask yourself, why are these liars always trying to discredit the Catholic Church?

https://www.nairaland.com/1985739/jesus-not-coming-back-looks#27804619

...that they may hear.

From today's Gospel LK 21:34-36

"Jesus said to his disciples: “Beware that your hearts do not become drowsy from carousing and drunkenness and the anxieties of daily life,
and that day catch you by surprise like a trap. For that day will assault everyone who lives on the face of the earth. Be vigilant at all times
and pray that you have the strength to escape the tribulations that are imminent and to stand before the Son of Man".

Brethren, Imagine those Christians caught by ISIS in Iraq;reading this scripture, at this time three (3) years ago. Things were "normal" at that time, like it is around us today. Some of them may have been : getting tired of "dying daily" in their flesh, getting bored by the constant struggle against the allures of the world, having a feeling of entitlement to indulge themselves- to live life by the dictates of modernism...Yet today, how many of such numbers have shed their blood in the most horrific of ways, butchered, burnt or buried alive, crucified, stoned, shot etc. How many still alive are living in the most wretched of ways, maimed, raped, enslaved, and forced to "convert" to Islam. If it could happen to the Iraqi Christians, why do we think it's impossible to us, why do we abandon our duty post for the world? Take note that when Peter got "bored of his duty post" and returned to fishing, it paid him nothing until Jesus came. Jn 21:3-6. Today Jesus rings the morning bell, He blows the rising beagle, He seems to say "Wake up o sleeper, stand erect you who are slouched, hold the forth you warrior...Pray that you might have grace, aye, grace in abundance, for my grace, only my grace, is sufficient for you".

Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

At times, we may feel we do nothing worthwhile, or, even feel we go backwards. But these pessimistic impressions originate in calculations, which are extremely human, or in the bad image some media malevolently likes to give us. The hidden reality that makes no noise, is this constant work we are doing together, impelled by the force of the Saint Spirit....Fr.Albert Taule i Vinas, reflecting on today's Gospel. Lk21:29-33

Just don't give up, Cheer up, hold the forth, aye, for the dawn is near.


Greetings brethren, hope you all are in good stead.