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HopeAlive14:
Good analysis of the topic being discussed.

As to your question, the bible records that "All things were made by him (Jesus Christ); and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3

So you will agree with any opinion, as long as it says Mary is not the mother of God. Imagine Someone said that Mary was the mother of God, but she no longer is the mother of God, and it becomes good analysis. Ok, de check am o.

Barnabaseloka:
Mary WAS (not IS) the mother of Jesus (God). This was b/c she was chosen by God to bring forth Jesus into the world, and bring Him up as other parents do. Jesus obeyed His parents till He was about to start His mission on earth. During His ministry on earth, He never acknowledge Mary as the mother but always called her WOMAN, instead of MOTHER.
The question is: Did Jesus create Mary?

hahahahaha, So she was the mother of God until she ceased to be the mother of God. What will I not hear? Just so you know Jesus kept calling her Woman, just to make sure you didn't miss the fact that she is the"woman" of Gen 3:15. "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel".

Answer = Yes.

Question: Can the one who gave birth to someone cease to be the one who gave birth to him?

HopeAlive14:
Granted "it's not how it sounds to you, but what is true"

One can only know Scriptural truth by revelation; certainly not by theology.

Mary is the mother of Jesus and that is truth of Scripture.

"Christian theology is the study of Christian belief and practice. This is based primarily upon the texts of the Old Testament and the New Testament as well as the historic traditions of Christians".

Even Peter did not dismiss learning, for he said: "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". 2Pet.3:16

Mary is the mother of Jesus, Jesus is God, Mary is the Mother of God. This is scriptural truth.

HopeAlive14:
Since Mary gave birth to the "Son alone God" excluding "Father God" and the "Holy Spirit God", it becomes a misnomer to refer to her as the mother of God!

It will be more understandable if the prayer can be like: "Hail Mary, mother of Jesus, Son of God..."

Our duty is to say the truth of what God has revealed, no matter how it looks, e.g, the Virgin birth.

If Jesus (alone) is "the son of God", then Mary is "mother of the son of God"

and as well,

If Jesus (alone) is "God", then Mary is "mother of "God".

It's not how it sounds to you, but what is true. Both are truths of scripture.

HopeAlive14:
The Bible records that "in HIM (Christ) dwelleth all the FULNESS of the Godhead bodily" Colossian 2:9 (KJV)

Since Mary is the mother of the Son (who Is the FULNESS), she gave birth to all (Father, Son and Holy Ghost)

That passage simply tells you that 'as the son alone; he is fully God'. The passage did not say that the father and the Holy Spirit is the person of Jesus. Jesus clearly showed us that as persons; while He was here on earth fully God, His Father was in heaven and He was to go back to His father.

"And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;" Jn 16:8-10.

"Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven". Matt. 18:19

So Mary is the mother of the Son, who is fully God, even though the father is in heaven.

HopeAlive14:
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[b]This also means that Mary being the "mother of God" is also the "mother of Trinity" (Father, Son and Holy Ghost)

Certainly not, sir.

No. It is you who misunderstands it that way.

With respect to the three Persons, She gave birth to the Son alone. As long as you believe that the Son alone is God, then the mother of the son alone is the mother of God.

HopeAlive14:
You and I were born of the seeds of a man and a woman. That was not the case with Jesus Christ.

You were born when your mother gave birth to you. Your mother is the mother of you (a man) because you are solely man, If you were para-human for example; she would have still been your mother. Jesus was born when His mother gave birth to Him at Bethlehem. Mary is the mother of God because Jesus is both Man and God.

HopeAlive14:
The Son’s existence did not begin with His conception in Mary’s womb.

Do you think your existence started with your conception in your mother's womb?

HopeAlive14:
Jesus Christ the "man" is the son of Mary. No one disputes the fact that Mary is the mother of the human Jesus.

What is in dispute is the extension of the title “mother” to a DIVINE NATURE that ETERNALLY EXISTED and WAS NOT CREATED in the womb of the virgin.

In mary's womb, was Jesus God?

intrepid:
Some place today in East Africa.

Jesus is Lord and Master of all nations.

Indeed He is. Nice one from East Africa.

Kamsified:
Good morning brethren
I just want to announce that my special prayer intention during the just concluded novena has been answered.
May all glory, honour, power, adoration, thanksgiving, be ascribed unto The king of kings, the Lord of Lords, the alpha and the omega, the ruler of rulers,the beginning and the end, the first and the last, the awesome wonder,the great provider, the mighty in battle, the defense of the defenseless, the father of the fatherless, the one who was, who is and who is to come, the one who died and is alive again, the hope of the righteous, the good shepherd.
(To mention but a few )


I'm blessed and highly favored to be a part of this wonderful family


I pray that the same God, (according to his will) treat all of our requests with favour through Christ our Lord. Amen

Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary.

Amen Amen. If you take a look at the post above yours, you'll see why this testimony is made at a perfect time. I had once talked to you about God's timing here, he brings things to perfection in His time. Testimonies shall abound in the lives of many who Joined in this prayers. I rejoice and bless God with You.

Glory to Jesus! Honour to Mary!

Good day brethren, a splendid Sunday to all.

italo:
"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cos people from a distance can't tell who is who"--Jay Z.

That advice is for Syncan.

Thanks bro, I have already made known to those that seek in truth and in spirit, what they need to know. Indeed the scripture had said it all:

"He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you" Prov.9:7-8.

HopeAlive14:
Catholics have recited the “Hail Mary” prayer for many years. It includes the words, “Holy Mary, Mother of God..”

These words represent one of the most treasured doctrines of Catholicism.

Although the Bible documents that Mary became the mother of Jesus and clearly teaches that Jesus is God, does imply that Mary was (or is) the “Mother of God?”

Your opinions please.

Happy Sunday.

If you believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God. Then She is the mother of God. What do you have against it, if you honestly want to discuss this.

johnw74:
There is that puffed up pride again, coupled with self righteousness and lies

Beloved, why are you so agitated? Going through my posts in different threads and showing your annoyance, trying to derail threads were I've posted in, importing some of my posts irrelevant to this thread and responding to them, leaving the subject matter and attacking my handle, all because I am enlightening you on the word of God. No wonder Scripture says:

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart". Heb.4:12.

You're obviously not at peace, but only "the truth shall set you free" Jn 8:32.

Peace be with you, as am done with you on this.

johnw74:
You hear and you don't understand, that's obvious.
?? He is but Mary didn't give birth to him there
and around and around in circles you go with the same things over and over again
Truly, Mary didn't give birth to mighty God, He was Mighty God before He was born a man, in fact He was mighty God from Everlasting.

What you fail to understand is that your mother is your mother naturally because she bore you in her womb and gave birth to you into this earth. She did not bring you into existence, for before you were formed in your mother's womb scripture says that God already knew who you are.

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...," Jer.1:5

So it doesn't matter if Jesus who is God existed before coming into the womb of Mary. As far as she bore Him who is God in her womb, and gave birth to Him who is God (and was worshipped) at bethlehem, her son is God and she is the Mother. She is the Mother of God.

johnw74:
Anas09 is right, the great harlot of revelation does sound like the rcc

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

rcc bishops and cardinals are arrayed in scarlet and purple colour
a golden cup is used by rcc to contain wafers which they say when blessed is the actual body of Christ, Haha that's from voodoo land and can ceretinally be called "full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication"



@bold, you have plenty of that.

Pro_8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

1Jn_2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Not of the Father, and of course how could the false accuser be?

Syn, is a good handle for you.

Beloved, am I winding you up? Sorry, but I have to tell the truth at all times. Yes my faith is my Pride. Pride is not always negative you know, I am glad to be teaching you a lot here. Here are some scripture quotes for you.

"We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart...2 Cor. 5:12

"I have spoken to you with great frankness; I take great pride in you. I am greatly encouraged; in all our troubles my joy knows no bounds"...2 Cor. 7:4


"Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you, so that the churches can see it."...2Cor 8:24

johnw74:
What on earth are you raving on about?

she was saying s-h-i-t all over the place and so I called her MizPoo, simple

take your medication or whatever, accuser.

Stop telling lies here. Her post is there for all to see, and so is yours.

(Prov 19:9)- A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

Ubenedictus:
i never said he was a presbyterian, I said he was a presbyterous (priest), presbyterous is the greek root word from which we got the word priest in English.

I told you before how funny this discussion is...

johnw74:
That's a lie and changing what scripture say's.
scripture say's Jesus is mighty God, scripture does not say, "Mighty God was born of the virgin"

Scripture:"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14

Scripture:"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,....Isaiah 9:6

johnw74:
Yes and scripture also shows that God was never born,
saying He is from everlasting to everlasting.

And unlike you I understand them.

Indeed I see how much you understand.

johnw74:
Immanuel means God with us, Jesus is God, how many times do you want me to say that,
that verse does not say Mary gave birth to God, but to a son.

Jesus is the mighty God, how many times have I said it,
that verse does not say Mary gave birth to God.

God is from everlasting, He wasn't born and He cannot be born,
but His Son can, and was

God can never ever be born because He always was
and you probably will never ever get it.

You agree that Jesus is God. You agree that Jesus was God in Mary's womb. You agree that Mary gave birth to Jesus who is the mighty God. But you do not agree that Mary gave birth to God, Lol. I hear you.

johnw74:
God is from everlasting, He wasn't born and He cannot be born,
but His Son can, and was

And at the bold, is the son not from everlasting?

Scripture has been laid bare for you to see.

"Oh, that today you would listen as he speaks! Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion." Heb.3:15

johnw74:
I don't know if she has edited her posts, cleaning them up or not,
but I know when she first started posting here she used bad language,
saying the word s-h-i-t and other in her posts.

And once again accuser doesn't know what he is talking about.

Why are you like this? Why do you like to tell lies even with the truth starring at you? You quoted her posts before calling her MzPoo and telling her she has little or no understanding, did she edit those quotes on your posts too? Can she do that? It's right there for all to see. Look, only the truth shall set you free, Christianity is not a lip service thing.

johnw74:
To an atheist Syncan say's "Dear one"

To this Christian he say's continual accusations and insults

Check out the postings of the one you call an atheist (MizJanet), and see how respectful they appeared, but check out yours:

First without provocation you addressed her thus:

johnw74:
What say you MizPoo.

Yet she didn't return the insult anywhere in her post, but you went ahead and said this:

johnw74:
You have little to no understanding

Now you complain I addressed an atheist as dear one, while I throw your misdemeanor back at you who claims to be a "Christian". The pharisee and the publican is a story in the scriptures, find it and read.

johnw74:
To an atheist Syncan say's "Dear one"

To this Christian he say's continual accusations and insults



God was never born
God is the Father of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Father
Mary gave birth to the Son of God, just as the scriptures say

before Jesus was born man, He is the Word of God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

When He ascended to Heaven He again is the Word of God
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


God was never born, but always has been and always will be

Psa 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Psa 93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

There is not one single scripture saying that God was born or had a beginning
God cannot be born, the man Jesus was born the Son of God

Syncan say's God was born of Mary.

Amen. Amen.

Syncan says God was born of the Virgin Mary.

Scripture says the Mighty God was born of the Virgin.

Johnw74 says God was never born.

...and johnw74 says he reads scriptures.

johnw74:
You don't know what is being discussed do you?

It's your posting judgmental scriptures against me for posting Truth is what is evil.
try being truthful if you want to be believed.

Oh please,

The virgin didn't give birth to Mighty God, before Jesus the man was born, He was already Mighty God

forget the "we" I believe the scriptures that say the virgin gave birth to the Son of God,
your continual insults show the spirit that's in you.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Tim3:16




Scripture:"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14

Scripture:"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,....Isaiah 9:6

Scripture: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Despite all these, a "christian" still says:

Johnw74 : The virgin didn't give birth to Mighty God.

Following.

johnw74:
You said I'm rude,
and then you said: "... the stupidity in your post"
and then you said: "Your argument reminds me of the saying that a lunatic ..."
and then you said: "... you shout a stupid sentence"
and then you say "Did i not say you are ignorant of scriptures"
and then you say "Mr Pharisee, is your question not the same as your fore fathers asked earlier"
and then you said "And to you o Pharisee, the master has one word for you....Hypocrite! Matt. 23:13"

Ha ha it's plain who is a Pharisee hypocrite

As for: "And to you o Pharisee, the master has one word for you....Hypocrite! Matt. 23:13"

Do not put words into the Master's mouth, He did not say that, you did.
I have taken your loose tongue words to Him.

Oh...and you're innocent of them all. Now you're crying, chasing after shadows as usual.

johnw74:
No I will stay with the Truth.

I've heard that before, when your fore fathers said "Let his blood be on us and our children" Matt 27:25.

O had they known how wrong they were.... Obstinacy in ignorance.

Am leaving this thread for I never had nor do I now have interest in it, please stop mentioning my handle here.

johnw74:
This will be interisting.

How does misquoting me point out my stupidity?

My arguments remind you of a lunatic, there is stupitidy in my post, I shout a stupid sentence,
did you say I'm rude?

Show just one of those scriptures that I avoid.

Jesus is Mighty God, the virgin didn't give birth to Mighty God, she gave birth to the man Jesus,
and you may never understand,
how could you with all of your accusing and rudeness that you accuse me off.


The Bible say's in many places that Jesus is the Son of God, and that Mary gave birth to the Son of God

The Father God said more than once that Jesus is His Son

Jesus said Himself that He is the Son of God
Joh_10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

But Syncan say's that Mary gave birth to God

show just one Bible verse saying Mary gave birth to God.

God was in the beginning, when there was nothing else:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

I treat you with as much respect as you dish out, that you may learn.

Johnw74: the virgin didn't give birth to Mighty God

Scripture: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,....Isaiah 9:6

Who do we believe? And he calls himself a christian. Smh.

johnw74:
My post above yours is true which anyone can easily search out for themselves.
And look at your evil accusing reply to it.

As long as you keep spreading lies and calling scripture "evil accusing reply", then:

(John 8:44) - You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a[b] liar[/b] and the father of lies.

johnw74:
Luke 1:28,42 does not condone praying to dead Saints, which is what I spoke off.

Who is discussing praying to saints with you?

MizJanet:
@ bold . You said Jesus breaks law , people who break law are called sinners .

K, Let me see where he actually said he is equal to God ?

Though you are not being exactly honest in the way you presented what I said, however following the argument you presented, Nelson Mandela won't be a hero since he broke laws.

Jesus was a Jew, he knew exactly what the Jews ascribe to God alone. He forgave Sins (Which God alone can do) Mk2:5, he called God his father (In the order of nature) Jn. 5: 17-22, When the Jews drew that Inference that he claims to be equal to the father, what did he do... he said "I and my Father are one" Jn 10:30. For which they now picked up stones to throw on him.

Except you are looking for the exact letters "I am equal to God", then I cannot help you.

johnw74:
Syncan:

Hahahaha, Can't you see...................making you stumble and somersault? Just hear yourself......................hahahaha,

johnw74:
Speaking of rc:
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

(1Pet 2:1-2) - So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation... to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ...

Don't bring me into discussions I have no interest in, if you want to learn from me, be humble and I will feed you...just like the scripture tells you.