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Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 11:16pm On Jun 09, 2015
MsFaith:
Good Catholics, Glory to Jesus!!!
Honour to Mary! o Jare

God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 11:14pm On Jun 09, 2015
Ubenedictus:
this should have ended the debate.
It has ended it for me.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 11:01am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
It is an undisputed fact that Mary was (not is) the mother of God. The word 'is' means that she still acts as the mother today, which is not true. It has passed so use the word 'was'. When we want to talk about Mary being the mother of Jesus,, with reference to His birth, we have to say 'Mary was the mother of Jesus'. And do not put it as if she still plays any role as the mother in His life today.
Chai...So Jesus could still be addressed as "Son of David" even generations after David was gone, but Mary's motherhood over Jesus expires, Ok. If you get biblical reference, abeg support am, i don de tire.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 10:51am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
It is only when a mother still lives that the right question becomes 'Who is the mother of ....?' As long as the mother is dead the right question becomes 'Who was the mother of ....?' Anyway that is by the way. Let me ask you a question. Does Mary still have influence (play motherly role) in the life of Jesus today?
Your problem is that you doubt Jesus.

Jesus said: "Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die" Jn 11:26. He even used Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as examples thus: "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living" Matt. 22:32. Please try to believe Jesus, Mary is living just as these Patriarchs. What is it you want again?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 10:45am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
Sorry if I have offended you. Can you make your post clearer?
Sorry, you didn't offend me, that post was filled with scripture used to correct someone's false claim. You quoted my post, yet you were talking out of context as if the post was quarreling with your submission, so I had to call your attention to it. Yes, this is coming like a debate, but we should note that this is a matter of life, only the truth sets one free. Not winning the debate.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 10:31am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
Jesus did not contradict the message of the angel. Yes all nations shall call her blessed and that was what the woman did. Jesus was trying to show her the more important thing that believers should do to attract blessings from God, not by calling Mary 'blessed'.
At bold, hence according to you, calling Mary "blessed" is an important thing, but not more important than doing the will of God (which includes calling Mary blessed). Ok then, thankfully Jesus has something to say about such situations thus:"These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others".Matt. 23:23. Are you doing that?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 10:08am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
There is no doubt that Mary was the mother of Jesus. I used the word earthly to show that her motherly role ended here on earth. Mary plays no motherly role on Jesus now. Or are you trying to state otherwise?
Chai...Smh. Truth eludes you. Mary Is the mother of Jesus Christ.

Primary school Question paper:

General Paper.

Question: Who is the mother of Fela Kuti

Answer: Mrs funmilayo ransome Kuti


Religious Knowledge.

Question : Who is the mother of Jesus Christ.

Answer: The blessed Virgin Mary

The earlier you acknowledge this truth, the better for you. everything else you write there has nothing to do with this truth.
Christianity EtcRe: Pope John Paul Ii And Michael Jackson Found In Hell! by Syncan(m): 9:52am On Jun 09, 2015
Papist:
What about in England where a father is called father? Or in Nigeria? Or in South Africa? Or in Canada? etc
ehm...they are all doomed grin. By the way did Jesus actually say "Father" or did he say "Abba"... Just wondering why father is banned and Dad is not. undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 9:31am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
1. Yes I accept the truth that the Scriptures did not record Jesus calling Mary 'mother' in His infancy. Also it did not record Jesus calling Mary 'mother' during His ministry.

2. Yes motherhood is not just about calling someone mother. But you need to call your mum 'mother' and not 'woman' when addressing her.

3. Yes I accept that Mary bore Jesus (God) physically. But remember that Jesus is greater than Mary and that Jesus created Mary. Spiritually, Jesus has no mother but has ONLY ONE father. Or do you want to claim that the Father has a wife and that Jesus is their offspring.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only BEGOTTEN Son.....' So if Mary is always the mother, both on earth and in heaven, how was Jesus the begotten of the Father?

4. No, there is no bibilical backup that said that no one did the will of God more than Mary. Every child of God does the will of God and there is no competition who does the will of God more than others. After doing the will of God, count yourself as an unprofitable servant. Tthis is b/c you only did what you are supposed to do (Luke 17:10) The Holy Spirit gives differnt abilities to children of God as He wills so that they can do the will of God (I Corinth. 10:11).

5. Yes, the woman was Mary and the seed was Jesus
At the bold, thank you, that's all there is to know. At the one in Italics, Your mother is your mother because she bore you on earth. No body has said your mother is your mother, both on earth and wherever next. We are here on earth, Mary bore God on earth, Mary is the mother of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 9:26am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
She was called blessed b/c she obtained favour (not that she merited it) from God to give birth to Jesus. This birth was a special birth in that it would bring the Saviour into the world. Mary only believed the message of the angel and she conceived by the Holy Spirit and gave birth to Jesus.
What other interpretation do you want to give to these passages?
Don't just say something because you want to argue, say something to make sense. Why did I make that post and what are you fighting with there?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 9:22am On Jun 09, 2015
HopeAlive14:
I do not see where I have been dishonest in this discussion.

Also know that I do not believe in the teaching of Trinity (Three Persons in One God), but that is a discussion for another day.

And since you have agreed that Mary is the mother of "Jesus, Son Alone God" (excluding God the Father and God the Holy Ghost), I propose that the Catholic church should rephrase their "Hail Mary, mother of God" prayer to accommodate this belief.
You complain about sarcasm, but you're dishing it out yourself.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 8:45am On Jun 09, 2015
Scholar8200:
Calling her blessed is not the same as placing her on the pedestal of Him Who was from the beginning! How do you understand the Word - Blessed? The same word was used by Jesus in the beatitudes. Just like Noah, Mary found favour in the sight of God and the Lord used her like He's still doing with many others today.

Mary also was one of the recipients of the Holy Spirit on the day of pentecost, like every other disciple. In fact, apart from Acts 1, she was not mentioned as a prominent figure or an object of special adoration in the early church. When the issue in Acts 15 came up, (if she is to be reverenced like you do today) she will have been consulted but no!
keep denying truth. It is You that quoted Lk 11:27,28 "Now it occurred that as He was saying these things, a certain woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, Blessed (happy and [l]to be envied) is the womb that bore You and the breasts that You sucked! But He said, Blessed (happy and [m]to be envied) rather are those who hear the Word of God and obey and practice it! What the woman did was call her blessed and You claimed Jesus corrected this woman from exalting Mary. Now I have shown you why you are wrong with several scriptural backing in the post you quoted, Lk1:42,45,48, where the Holy Spirit through different media has said she is and is to be called blessed. Now you are explaining what calling her blessed mean, are you not arguing with yourself? I told you to Think, now am going to add harden not your heart.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 8:19am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
Do you say that Jesus being compassionate even in feeding the crowd was fabricated? You should have only said that to Jesus not having to be insensitive to the finished wine in that some drank and some did not. It was never written that Mary made Jesus do that miracle. Jesus performed that miracle at the time He chose to perform it. No human being influenced Jesus doing any miracle at any point in time during His ministry. So do not base your claim on assumptions.
This is purely your opinion, the story is there for all to see. Thank God Jesus said "My hour have not yet come", you cannot remove that from scripture. May God be praised.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 8:17am On Jun 09, 2015
HopeAlive14:
Sir Syncan, I think your response below to the above is odd.

Yes, Jesus could not have contradicted the Holy Spirit. So He didn't make the statement in Luke 11:27,28?
Its good you know that He could not have contradicted the Holy spirit. It's good you know the Holy Spirit Inspired those words I quoted. What is left for you is to find out what Jesus was teaching, He is a great teacher you know? Don't just say things that suggest that Jesus contradicted the Holy Spirit, just because you want to win an argument. Remember even atheists are reading this.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 8:10am On Jun 09, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
Yes, she remains the mother of Jesus (God) earthly. But has no influence on Jesus who is in heaven now. Remember Mary is dead like some other people and awaiting the resurrection day to be judged by Jesus on how she lived her life on earth. Know it that spiritually (in heaven) Mary is not the mother of Jesus.
Please take a look at the bold and take a look at the title of the thread, then tell me what you're arguing about.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 7:05pm On Jun 08, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
What you should know is that Jesus is very compassionate. Do you remember how he sensed that the crowd was hungry and provided them with food to eat (not just only once). Did you expect Jesus to be invited to the wedding and feel insensitive towards the finished wine in that some drank while some did not?

Mary came to Jesus herself but Jesus did not show interest or concern in what she was saying. When she saw that Jesus was not concerned about what she was saying, she went to the servants and directed them to Jesus. Remember the question 'what has your concern got to do with Me? Jesus was indirectly telling her to leave Him alone, that if she was concerned about the finished wine, she should do something about it herself and not make Him obey her.

How do you now claim that she used the servants to infuence Jesus? Mary did the needful thing by directing them to Jesus but never told Jesus to perform the miracle. She only told the servants to obey Jesus and left Jesus alone to do whatever He wanted to do. Jesus had the choice to do it or not. But decided to do the miracle so that eceryone would have wine to drink. She never influenced Jesus doing the miracle at the wedding.
First I never said the bold. Secondly, the one in red is mere fabrications. Thirdly, tell me you've never been reluctant about your mother's request and still did it for her. Even Jesus gave the parable of a man who sent his sons to farm. One said I will go, but did not. One said he wasn't going and later went. Did you remember the question of Jesus? He said "Who among the two did the father's will"? Matt 21:31. It is the mother's request, it matters not if he hesitated or not, he still did the mother's will.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 6:57pm On Jun 08, 2015
Scholar8200:
While on earth, someone even attempted to exalt Mary but was corrected:

Luke 11:27,28

27 Now it occurred that as He was saying these things, a certain woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, Blessed (happy and [l]to be envied) is the womb that bore You and the breasts that You sucked!

28 But He said, Blessed (happy and [m]to be envied) rather are those who hear the Word of God and obey and practice it!
Jesus could not have contradicted the Holy Spirit who spoke through the angel in Lk 1:42 "blessed are you among women". Jesus cannot contradict the Holy Spirit who spoke through Elizabeth in Lk 1:45 "and blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord". Jesus could not have contradicted the Holy Spirit who Spoke through Mary Lk 1:48 "henceforth all generations shall call me blessed". Think.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 6:47pm On Jun 08, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
Why is it that you choose not to understand things? What do we call those that gave birth to us? Yes I assumed that Mary was called 'mother' by Jesus when He was under her care. This is b/c the activities surrounding Jesus' growing up were not recorded in the Scriptures. Or do you want everything that Jesus did from infancy to adulthood to be written down? I laid my claim on it b/c no one will call his mother 'woman'. Even you arging this know that Jesus should have called Mary 'mother' when he was growing up. This is natural and cannot be denied whether it was written or not. So accept the truth as it is written in that Jesus called Mary 'woman' and not 'mother' during His work to accomplish His mission on earth. Accept another truth as it is written that Jesus said that His mother, brothers and sisters are those who do the will of the Father in heaven. These ones are very clear and undisputed, unless you want to claim that they were not true.
Please kindly accept the truth that scripture never recorded Jesus calling Mary mother even in his infancy. Even when he was found in the temple after three days. Please accept the truth that Motherhood does not depend on whether the child calls you mother or not. Please accept the truth that Mary bore a child who is God; in her womb for the period of gestation, and gave birth to a son who is God at Bethlehem. Please accept the truth that no one did the "will of the father in heaven" more than Mary "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word". Please accept the truth that the "Seed" in Gen.3:15 is Jesus and the "Woman" is Mary.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 6:33pm On Jun 08, 2015
HopeAlive14:
You want to make us believe that Jesus' performance of this miracle was as a result of the "influence she wields" over her son?

The truth remains that when "His hour came" He performed the miracle!

Certainly not at any supposed influence Mary "WIELDS".

Presuming or even teaching so is arrogating to her powers that are scripturally baseless and unmerited.
You already formed an opinion and you now clutch on anything just to protect it. Even when someone cast doubts on the trinity, you alligned with him just because he supports your opinion on Mary. That's not how to be honest, recall I called for honesty from you at the very beginning. Scripture is there for you to see, it is filled with influences of mothers on their children, it doesn't matter who they are, Solomon, Jacob, Jesus, even in our days...Syncan.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 6:23pm On Jun 08, 2015
Scholar8200:
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. (Mary was neither needed nor mentioned here). When the Word was to be made flesh, God "... sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"(Galatians 4:4) Just as Eve was made of Adam 1Corinth 11:12
For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

( Note that it did not say made by a woman) hence God the Holy Ghost did the making (incarnation) and Mary was the virgin (out of many) chosen. Just as we dont exalt Mary whose action was to be a memorial wherever the gospel was preached, we need not exalt she who was used(more like a tool or channel) to accomplish a Divine purpose!
Isaiah 10:15
15 Shall the ax boast itself against him who chops with it? Or shall the saw magnify itself against him who wields it back and forth? As if a rod should wield those who lift it up, or as if a staff should lift itself up as if it were not wood [but a man of God]!


It is wrong to exalt the tool above He who wields it. Mary (thankfully) didnt, we shouldnt.
If what you want is "made of a woman" then here it is : Gal.4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman". Even thought it's irrelevant to the discussion, I hope this puts to rest all these things you're typing there that is uncalled for.

Again, no one is exulting her above Jesus. Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 6:07pm On Jun 08, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
I said that Mary knew that He could (had the power) to perform miracle there. Or did Jesus not have the power to perform miracle there?
Why was it that Jesus did not do something when Mary came to Him? Jesus was clearly making it clear that He was not at the call and beck of Mary as when He had not started His ministry. He asked Mary 'what has your concern got to do with Me?' He was indirectly telling Mary that she should not tell Him what to do and that He does things the way and the time He wants to do them.

When Mary realised that Jesus would not respond to her demands, she went to the servants and directed them to Jesus. She told them that whatever He told them to do that they should do so. This put Jesus clearly in charge of doing so or not. Being that Mary was out of the way, He decided of His own freewill or choice to do the miracle, not that Mary influenced Him into doing it.
Try harder. I hope you know what directed them to Jesus means. Is it the servants problem that wine is finished? Did the servants then go to Jesus for anything? Mary simply gave an instruction, she directed them to nobody. The mother and son know their language very well, She knew her son already understands what she wants, she then instructed the servants to be ready and do whatever he tells them without questioning. This passage simply shows how bonded mother and child are to each other, and how well Mary knew her son. Those of us who have or had close relationships with our mothers can understand this relationship, more also because we often witness similar filial bonds in our daily lives. Keep struggling to deny what is obvious, Jesus turned water into wine, even though it wasn't his time, just because his mother made that request.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 5:52pm On Jun 08, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
Your claim on the possibility of Jesus calling Mary 'woman' when He was growing up under her care cannot be ascertained by the Scriptures. I choose to write like this b/c you insisted on my showing you scripturally where Jesus called Mary 'mother' in His childhood. But everyone knows the truth of this that the childhood life was not recorded in the bible. Yet, we know that we call the ones that gave birth to us 'mothers'.

Remember when Jesus told His parents that He had to be in His Father's business. It was recorded that they did not understand what He was saying, yet Mary kept these words in her heart.
When Jesus started His ministry, it should not have been a surprise to Mary when Jesus referred to her as 'woman', instead of 'mother'. Mary understood that Jesus was sent by God on a mission and thus called the Son of God as I have quoted earlier. Mary understood that it was a privilege for her to give birth to Jesus (the Son of God) on earth. That was why she was not bothered when Jesus began to manifest who He really was.
You cannot show me where He called her Mother, all I see is claims, claims, claims...and unfounded for that matter. What is it that you are going round and round about? You wanted to see where Jesus called Mary Mother in his Public Ministry, I asked you to tell me Where He called her mother in his infancy. You then assumed that he called her mother in infancy but stopped during his public ministry, an assumption I do not agree with since it's your own opinion and not scripture backed, because in my understanding, any one that calls someone who gave birth to him mother, never stops calling her mother except as a disrespect. Again even if by any prevailing circumstance a person refuses to acknowledge the one who bore him; as mother, that does not erase the fact that she is his mother, the one who carried him for the number of months and gave birth to him at the appointed time. Motherhood is not based on the acknowledgement of the son, stop redefining a word to suit your opinion. Funny how each time you refer to Jesus elsewhere you call Him God, but when you refer to him as Mary's son he becomes "the son of God", do you think it makes it a lower personality or what?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 3:38pm On Jun 08, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
Mary did not have any wield or influence on Jesus during His ministry.
John2:3-5
3. And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, they have no wine.
4. Jesus said to her, Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.
5. His mother said to the servants, Whatever He says to you, do it.

Mary came to inform Jesus about the finished wine, knowing that Jesus could perform a miracle there. She wanted to use the 'motherly' role to make Jesus obey her during His ministry, but it never happened. Jesus told her that she should look for the solution to the problem herself (what does your concern have to do with me?). This was b/c it was not time for Him to manifest before people.

Mary, knowing that jesus would not listen to her went to the servants. She told them that whatever He (Jesus) not she (Mary) told them to do that they should obey Him. Then Jesus seeing that she had directed people to Him, not that she wanted to use the power as the mother to make Him do it, directed the servants on what to do.

It was of Jesus' own will or choice to perform the miracle there, not that Mary influenced Him. If He had wanted not to do such, nothing would have happened.
This is how we are to direct people to Jesus for help in time of need, and not to Mary for He is able to save us at all times.
Do you even read what you post? You said: "Mary knew Jesus was going to perform a miracle", Yet, "it was not time for Jesus to manifest his public ministry". How did she know he was going to perform a miracle, when it wasn't yet time for him? And if she knew He was going to do it because she asked, don't you just marvel at her influence. Take time to read your posts, don't rush to say anything instead of changing your opinion.

Mary came to Jesus for a solution, Mary told the servants that Jesus will provide a solution, all these irrespective of the fact that Jesus said His time has not yet come. Jesus performed that miracle, His first public miracle, as Mary wanted, even before His time, hence for his mother, He started His Public ministry earlier than he would have. Isn't that a high enough acknowledgement for you?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 3:19pm On Jun 08, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
i never said that Mary did not give birth to Jesus, thus was the mother, but this is according to the thought of humans. This is b/c anyone that gives birth to you is considered as your mother. During Jesus childhood, what do you think that He called Mary and Joseph- woman and man? Being under their care He should have called Mary 'mother' and Joseph 'father' to show that they were His parents as other children call their parents (though the childhood life of Jesus was not recorded in the Scriptures).

Remember that Jesus did not merely exist on earth as other humans. He came for a purpose. Now when the time to begin the work of the Father came, He separated Himself from Mary and Joseph and only listened to and obeyed God, not the earthly parents anymore. He never acknowleged Mary as His mother when He started His work to fulfil His mission on earth. It is only humans that still call Mary His mother. But to Jesus, Mary has finished the work assigned to her by God on His tutelage or guidance as the mother. This is why He (Jesus) never called Mary 'mother' but 'woman' during His Ministry.

This is very easy to understand but you make it difficult for yourself, even when the truth stares you in the face!
Again you add your own thoughts to scriptures, Imagine the bold, telling Jesus what He should do. If you cannot show me where Jesus called Mary mother in his childhood, then:

1.There is a possibility that He called her Woman , all his life, for Mary was not even surprised when he called her so at the wedding feast. Why could this be...Gen 3:15 comes to mind.

2. There is a possibility that he calls her mother at other times, both as a child and as an adult, but these places where He called her woman, were recorded for a reason...Gen 3:15 comes to mind.

3. The claim that he fails to acknowledge her as His mother during his public ministry, is wrong, because just as following them home is acknowledgement from a growing infant son, handing her over to His most beloved apostle is acknowledgement from a dying adult son.

The truth is bare for all to see.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m):
Barnabaseloka:
Can you see how misguiding your post is? I said that Jesus told those that were there with Him that His mother and brothers and sisiters are those that DO the WILL of the Father in heaven. Is this passage not clear enough to you? He did not say that His mother was the one that gave birth to Him.

Yes, anyone that gives birth to one is considered the mother. But in the case of Jesus, His birth was foreplanned by the Father and Him (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Jesus chose to come through Mary to the world. B/c of this, PEOPLE considered Mary as the mother and Joseph as the father. But Jesus did not consider Mary as the mother or Joseph as the father when time came for Him to fulfil His mission on earth.
Luke 3:23 When Jesus began His work, He was 30 years old. He was the Son 'SO PEOPLE THOUGHT' of Joseph who was the son of Heli.

Jesus did not call her 'woman' in reference to what you quoted in Genesis. When Jesus was under the parents' tutelage, He must have called Mary 'mother' and Joseph 'father' to show that they were His parents and that He did not fall from the sky. But when He started His ministry, He distanced Himself from them b/c He came for a purpose. He has existed before His earthly birth, not like other humans that had never existed before they were born.

Therefore Jesus calling Mary 'woman' was not a mistake, nor was He making any reference to Genesis. Afterall the name of the woman referred to was Mary and the seed was Jesus. The passage talked about the redemptive work that Jesus would do on earth, and liberate people from the authority of satan. He (Jesus) was not foolish or insensible to have called Mary 'woman' during His ministry for He created her.

Question: Can you refer to your earthly mother as 'woman' and not 'mother' when trying to get her attention or when speaking to her?
I had earlier handled the issue of Jesus saying those who did the will of the father are his mothers, brothers....Jesus as a great teacher he is, was teaching about the he used to occassion to teach about the covenantal family of God. Mary is foremost among those who "hears the word of God and keep it". She heard the will of God and declared "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word". Indeed She is doubly blessed for she did not only bear and concieve the redeemer luke 1:42 "blessed are you among women", she also heared the word of God, believed, kept it in her heart and it was fulfilled unto her, lk 1:45 "and blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord".

I am done with unfounded claims. Please support the bold with scripture. Motherhood is not a matter of consideration, If you bear someone in your womb and give birth to the person, you are the person's mother. It doesn't matter if the person is God,human, para-human or beast .
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 2:22pm On Jun 08, 2015
segbe88:
For those who believe Jesus is God.

God is same yesterday, today and forever. His ways never changes, he remains the same. Whatever and whoever he chooses, is His decision.

First God cannot be born my a sinful man. We inherit original sin from birth until our baptism. God did not inherit original sin from birth like us, for this purpose He made His Mother pure and and sinless so that He can dwell in Her.

Was Jesus was not always man, He became man, when he was born. But Jesus was always God, He had already existed before time began.

You cannot deny Mary being the Mother of God and accept Jesus as always being God. Unless you have a different meaning of mother.

This is an article of faith.
They've been trying so hard to redefine mother here, someone even said something like she was, until she wasn't anymore. As if the fact that someone gave birth to you expires.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 2:19pm On Jun 08, 2015
HopeAlive14:
Mark 10:46-47

v46: "And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his disciples and a great number of people, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging.

v47: "And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, thou "Son of David", have mercy on me.

Question: Can David now be called the "father of God" because of his relationship to the man Christ Jesus?
I asked you earlier if you want an honest discussion, even you know that this one isn't part of that honesty. You know in what sense David is Jesus's father. This is not same as carrying God in your womb and giving birth to God. Only Mary did that.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 12:22pm On Jun 08, 2015
HopeAlive14:
You are correct. There is NO passage from the Scriptures where Jesus acknowledged Mary as the mother or called her "MOTHER".
Yet his beloved apostle continued to say "the Mother of Jesus" through out scriptures, that tells you that his not calling her "Mother" isn't for lack of acknowledgement. You then need to now ask yourself what message He was trying to pass across. That is what I have already exposed to you.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 12:17pm On Jun 08, 2015
Barnabaseloka:
No, but people disown their mothers even today for several reasons, Jesus' case was a different one.

if Jesus created Mary, how come that she is still the mother as of today? Remember that Jesus was not born through the coming together of Mary and Joseph. He was implanted in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit. Jesus was in heaven with the Father before He (Jesus) agreed to enter the world through Mary. Mary submitted to God's will to carry Jesus in the womb and bring Him forth to the world.
Yes, physically Mary gave birth to Jesus and so she was considered as the mother. But is it not a height of irresponsibility from Jesus to have addressed Mary as 'WOMAN' during his Ministry? Can you do that to your earthly mother?

Before His ministry, He acknowledged Mary as the mother and obeyed His parents.
Luke 2:48-51
48. So when they saw Him, they were amazed, and His mother said to Him, Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.
49. And He said to them, Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business (the purpose for His coming on earth).
50. But they did not understand which He spoke to them.
51. Then He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was SUBJECT to (obeyed) them; but His mother kept all these things in her mind.

But here, Jesus never acknowledged Mary as the mother, nor obeyed her when He set out to achieve the purpose for coming on earth.
Mt.12:46-50
46. While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.
47. Then one said to Him, Look Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.
48. But He answered and said to the one wno told Him, Who is My MOTHER and who are my brothers?
49. And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, Here are My MOTHER and My brothers.
50. For WHOEVER does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and MOTHER.
Are you wiser than Jesus who said that His Mother and brothers are those who do the will of the Father in heaven? Or did Jesus make a mistake by saying it?

I say it again that Mary was chosen by God to play the motherly role to Jesus till He began to carry out the mission why He came on earth.

Question: Can you show me just ONE passage only from the Scriptures where Jesus acknowledged Mary as the mother or called her 'MOTHER' when He started His ministry on earth?
It baffles me the extent people can tend not to understand or even change the meaning of words just to stick to an opinion. A mother in the simplest sense is one who bore and gave birth to. Simple! You disclaim later, or acclaim later, does not change this fact.
Certain claims you make to prove your point bothers on calling Jesus irresponsible and that is completely wrong. If only you read my submission, you would have seen why Jesus kept calling her Woman.

Question: Why did Jesus kept addressing His mother as Woman,was it a sign of non-acknowledgement of her?

Answer: No. It was never a sign of non-acknowledgement, for even when He addressed her as Woman in Jn.2:4 "Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come", He still went ahead and turned water into wine, despite His hour not yet come.
Again, even when Jesus addressed her as Woman in Jn.19:26 "Woman, behold thy son!", It was to hand her over to His most beloved apostle, as He (Jesus) was dying.
Saying that Jesus refused to acknowledge her as his mother, continues to go against scriptures. for the writer of the gospel of John is the beloved apostle John. This apostle continued to call Mary His Mother through out the gospel, showing you that Jesus was not denying his Mother.
Jesus the great teacher was only acknowledging His mother Mary as the Woman of Gen 3:15. "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel". This is indeed out of honour and never out of any form of disrespect. And this he did through out his life, for scripture never recorded Him calling her Mother, neither before nor during His public ministry, He always called her Woman, an acknowledgement of the fulfillment of the prophecy in her.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 12:09am On Jun 08, 2015
HopeAlive14:
(A) Truth doesn't need a revelation to be truehuh That must be blind faith and it is dangerous!!!

It is impossible to believe a thing is true when you do not get the revelation.

(B) Since she is the mother of God the son, again, I say let the prayer be rephrased. Hail Mary, "mother of God THE SON"
A) I gave you a list of names of those who believed by hearing and knew by learning, you have not shown me their revelation encounters. Why do you think it's dangerous when Jesus Say they are blessed, are you disputing him:"Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed; blessed are those that have not seen and yet have believed". Jn. 20:29

B) If you agree with Mother of God the son, then do not worry, any time she is called Mother of God, just know that it is the second person of the trinity "the son" that she bore, and this is exactly what this means.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 11:41pm On Jun 07, 2015
HopeAlive14:
Your interpretation of this verse of Scripture is incorrect.

Indeed it is scripturally incorrect to deify Mary above the Messiah.

Matthew 12:47-50 (KJV)

v47 "Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

v48 "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

v49 "And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

v50 "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Jesus made it clear that Mary had no preeminence among His followers or before God.
Calling it incorrect without pointing out the error does not make it incorrect.

No one is deifying Mary. However,"all generations shall call her blessed". One does not deny her the privilege God has been pleased to grant her. If God decided to leave heaven and dwell in her womb, why should you be the one afraid to acknowledge it. Take a look at the passage you quoted and tell me who did the will of the father more than the one who declared " I am the handmaid of the Lord, be it done to me according to thy will". Lk 1:38. If you want to know what influence she wields over her son, all you need to do is read Jn 2:1-12, where she made Jesus perform his first miracle, even when His "hour has not yet come".
Christianity EtcRe: Is Mary The Mother Of God? by Syncan(m): 11:27pm On Jun 07, 2015
HopeAlive14:
Paul was also learned (theologically speaking) but was persecuting the church until he got the REVELATION!

One may study all he can but until God gives him a revelation, he is still in the dark.

[b]If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, and God is Three Persons in One, then Mary is the mother of Trinity
.[/b]
Yes, Paul was learned in the Judaism, and needed a revelation for his conversion to Christianity. What revelation did Timothy get, what revelation did Lydia get, what revelation did Onesimus get? They were all learned in Christian theology, they need no revelation but faith in what they learned. Truth is truth, however it is acquired, it doesn't need a revelation to be true. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by getting a revelation.

With regards to the bold, you are simply trying to avoid the truth. If you believe in the trinity, then what you believe is this:

In God is the father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Matt. 28:19

The father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the father. Jn 15:26

In the father is found the son and the Holy spirit, in the son is found the Father and the Holy spirit, in the Holy Spirit is found the father and the son. Isaiah 9:16

The father is God, the Son is God, the Holy spirit is God. Yet God is One.

This is the Trinity, If you believe in it, then you won't have a problem believing that Mary is the mother of God, for she is the mother of God the son.

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