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vickyO: The guy doesn't "really" have a point. It's the "I want to create a thread virus" that led to this, it has happened to me before.
Just ask the question....

Lol, that's very understanding of you. For my take on the matter, I once came across this:

"Anger immediately creates a distance. When two people are angry at each other, their hearts are no longer close, their emotions are divided and they go miles apart. To cover that distance they yell. The angrier they are, the louder they shout. They are no longer in mode of love, of acceptance, of proximity. They are unable to hear each other, shouting is how they believe they can be heard".

"And! what happens when two people fall in love? They don't shout at each other but talk softly, they almost whisper, because their hearts are very close. There's little or no distance between them".

"When they love each other even more, they exchange even less words, more softly, they murmur, they whisper, yet they hear each other better, their bond strengthens, their love prospers. Finally, they may not even whisper, they only look at each other, silence becomes more potent than speech, that's how close two people can get when they are in love".

1. Mary knows what her son can do...the gospel made sure to add "Public" when it talked about that first miracle.
2. More must have been said in silence than in speech, for the bond of love between those two cannot be more perfect.

Just my simple contribution.

vickyO:

Jesus is Lord.

Even the devil knows that. My answer to his question is a simple one, I just want him to conclude. Don't know if he has.

vickyO:

Nne, I say make I ask na, maybe something still de bag.

adsonstone: you're welcome.


back to the apostles' fallibility in other matters outside faith and morals.

Apostle Paul said in 1 Timothy 4:8 that 'bodily exercise profiteth little' .....in 1 Timothy 5:23, He made another statement.... in both verses, he talked about health (thats outside faith and morals)....could he be wrong?

Is it that you are not aware of the use of colon in english, or you just try to be mischievious. Still, your insinuations remain with you, for history has taught christians wisely, for today we know that " the sun stood still" was not correct in actual reality of events.

If you decide not to take his instruction in 1Tim 5:23, will you be offending God?

jdilight: Jesus was a child of God until be step into the shoe of the son of God. As a child his practice of miracles and other divine display where witnessed by mary the mum, in my opinion l believe mary had to learn not to disobey the the young man from experience and so advised others not to do so too.

Is this your conclusion?

adsonstone: Aquila....and His wife, Priscilla.

You proved me right.


Again, you proved my point.

Apollos taught in the synagogue....yet, Apollos and Priscilla took Him to themselves_to teach Him 'more perfectly'



Apostle Paul never said such neither did I.
I wonder how you managed to imply that.

I said Priscilla (and Aquila) taught Apollos.....Apollos was teaching others in the synagogue.



i wonder where 'house' was mentioned in that passage.
Perhaps, you added it from your own imagination or learnt it from the Rcc's infallible interpretation.



sorry, but this is not true.



perhaps, we should follow your infallible interpretation.

I wonder why you quote part of the passage. Let's now see the full one.

" Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).


Now, it is not a matter of teaching in churches anymore, it is now a matter of speaking.

If women are truly 'not permitted' to speak then;
they are not permitted to greet one another, they are not permitted to sing hymns, they are not permitted to ask/answer any question even when asked by the the cathechist
infact, It is a shame to do those things above.....they must remain mute as long as they are in the church.

Is that what you mean?

Now the next.

"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence ." (1 Timothy 2:12).

Here, If women are not to teach....

First, Priscilla was wrong to have taught Apollos.

Then,
they wont teach anybody....be it men, children, family and the rest of their household.

....and any woman that teaches is disobedient....perhaps, she may have sinned cos she taught.

Is this what you mean?

Hahahaha, all these responses of yours, I shall call up when needed. Thanks a lot, very funny indeed.

jdilight: The first thing people ask you when anything religion challenge their long held religious believe is,"which church do you attend"?

Am a christian but l wouldn't tell you my church.

Churches make you a child of God but not a son of God. Sons of God are made by practice and effort by the would be sons, not God.

Do you still have something to say on this topic, or should I unfollow this thread?

lana_Vello: he's drivin at a possibility of miracles not workin on mary cos she didn't ff instructions in d past hence she was tellin em do what he asks u to do from xperience.
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baseless speculation!

vickyO: If so, I agree with the bolded.

I'll rather he comes and finish what he started.

vickyO: I don't understand your point.

Nor do I.

Sal C: Do you want me to fry egg for you before you stop accusing me falsely. Please show me where i ever discussed Abraham with you?

You said earlier that GOD hate liars and hear you are lying against me. Let me pray for you

GOD please don‘t hold this lie against ukuts.

Lol, what else can we do, but obey the lord ,Bravo.

@ Sal C and the rest, any one who reads through this thread, even half the pages down, will already decipher the screaming ignorance of the OP. You do not need to waste your time, you have enough learning materials here to last him a life time. Leave him...and other dishonest folks... to continue in the path of lies. It is between them, their conscience, and God.

*A round of applause for you all*

JMAN05: It doesnt answer the question. i repeat:

Are all these among the prophet,
psalms or the law which Jesus
used?

You really don't need to quote me when you want to behave like the pharisees. "Perform a miracle" they cried, and when the Lord did that, "He did it from beelzebub" they claimed.

sakaguchi: Bros listen, today, our priest said, "IF WE DON'T PAY TITHE, WE'RE ROBBING GOD BECAUSE IT IS NOT OUR OWN"
That to me is a high case of persuasion, he was only shot of saying defaulters will go to hell, but the way he put it, there is some compulsion in it.

I have gone through your posts, and this is my contribution.

1. It is wrong to generalize on the whole of Nigeria/society; by the actions/inaction of one or a few individuals.
2. If all you've said is right (and I really do not have reason to doubt), your priest is surely overdoing things.
3. There is always a tendency for one to be off the mark due to the attractions of materialism.
4. You can make a petition to a higher authority, with evidence.
5. Catholic Teaching is what the Church teaches, which is available to all, and not what the priest says. (even the pope can be challenged if he teaches contrary)Remember It is only in certain few occasions that the pope cannot err.
6. Priests presently are under pressure from several parishioners, to collect tithes from them...so a priest can make it optional, for there is nothing wrong in giving to God.
7. The church does not eradicate a good culture, we and the scriptural Jews are similar in offering thanksgiving at the end of the harvest season...even before the advent of Christianity, this culture is good and indeed scriptural, the church encourages it.
8. Good practices do not need to start from Rome, the church is universal, she adopts good things God has initiated through his people, no matter the location.
9. We must however be careful as well not to justify our "stinginess" to God...and to man. Remember it is our duty to help build the church and sustain our priests.
10. The manner finance is sort after in our churches, is really becoming a cause for concern, but we need to use the appropriate channel to complain and seek change, when you use non appropriate channels to talk about faults even on an individual, it is called slander.


God bless.

adsonstone: Did God abhor Killing?
Yes, He did.
Yet, He commanded people to kill.....does that change the fact that He abhors it?

Thats left to you.


is the bold another infallible interpretation of the RCC.
If it is, I'll recommend a more comphrensive study.

Need I tell you: Priscilla did not teach her child, neither did she teach Her household....neither did the whole thing happen at home!

Guess where it all happened?
It happened in the synagogue at Ephesus...

....Need I tell you another awesome fact?
Apostle Paul himself took them with Him to the church.....to help Him.



Paul was teaching the word of God, He took Aquilla and Priscilla to help him (In Christ just as he indicated in the Corinthian epistle).....now, do you think the the 'help in Christ was making tents'?

No, they were helping him teach the 'word of God' as He was doing before He left them there to continue.

How are we sure they were teachers, they taught Apollos what he did not know 'more perfectly'.....

Again, women teachers are 'not forbidden', If they were, Priscilla will never teach... they are only forbidden to 'usurp authority over a man....they should be submissive'



sorry, but bro Syncan, you did not answer my question.

hahaha, bro adsonstone, act 18 vs 2 started with " and found a certain jew ( singular)", this jew was found with his wife. and paul lived with them. Any one ...except you ofcourse, will see that the couple heard appolos speak in the temple and took him to themself( private), where did paul say priscilla preach in the church adsonstone, where? The man and wife are mentioned as helpers. in Vs 19 even said paul left them in the house and went to the synagogue to teach.

First you try pitching peter against paul, now you are working hard to use paul to contradict himself. He said, " it is not permitted" you say "no he permited it", yet no proof.

adsonstone: I'm being honest in my answers to your questions.

Deuteronomy 4:23 says

Beware lest thou ever forget the covenant of
the Lord thy God, which he hath made with
thee: and make to thyself a graven likeness of those things which the Lord hath forbid to be made:

Yet, you said images are not forbidden.


Women teachers are not forbidden.
If they were, Priscilla won't have taught Apollos neither will Apostle Paul refer to her as His helper in Christ.

Be honest, you called for it.


Now, my question again.
I hope you will answer this time....I'm even beginning to wonder if you're scared of answering.

Could Paul be wrong in those teachings of
his because you indicated that he's fallible
in that part....hence the bible should not be
trusted in such parts.
Is that what you mean?

I did not say anything contrary to the commandment. God gave the commandment in Ex20:4-6, for the avoidance of doubt, God showed what he abhorred by commanding the making of Images,(the cherubs, the seraphs etc) yet never commanding the worshiping.

Yours is different. Something Paul clearly says "is not permitted in churches" you say it is "not forbidden" Show me where he encouraged a woman to preach in the church? The examples you gave are women helping out in the homes, he never prevented them from teaching their children or household, nor their being of help to him automatically become "preaching in the church".

As per your question, permit me to leave your insinuations to you, for I am careful what I say even in arguments, but just so you do not say I did not answer yours:

This with the one I asked you, is a typical illustration where private interpretation of scripture by the unlearned falls short. Scripture interpretation is not just a literal based venture, it requires knowledge of the speaker/writer and things that may have influence on him. St. Peter made it clear that it is not all that Paul writes that is hard to understand, neither is it all he wrote that is literal (2Pet 3:16). He actually confirms what Paul wrote, when he differentiated between his words and that of the lord 1Cor 7:12.
Moses told the people to give writ of divorce... it is scripture, yet Jesus told the people it is due to their hard hardheartedness (Mk 10:5). We now cannot disparage scripture because of what Moses wrote for Jesus Interpreted scripture and has given the church(with peter as the chief shepherd) the key to do same. It is the church now that is the pillar and foundation of truth 1 tim 3:15.

adsonstone: He is not wrong, however, women are not forbidden to teach!

The forbidden point is 'usurping' 'authority over a man'

Remember Priscilla, Aquilla's wife in acts 18, she taught Apollos 'more perfectly' alongside her husband.
Appllos, a fellow teacher/preacher with Paul was taught 'more perfectly' by a woman.


Infact, Paul referred to Priscilla (and Aquilla) as His helpers in Jesus Christ. (Romans 16:3)

Are you ok?


You have not answered my question....but I have answered yours.

Can you answer mine now?

Could Paul be wrong in those teachings of his because you indicated that he's fallible in that part....hence the bible should not be trusted in such parts.
Is that what you mean?

From the very beginning I preached honesty, Our Lord himself gives back to those who ask him questions, only with ulterior motives, what they deserve.

You look at a post that says "for it is not permitted unto them to speak(in the churches)"; and you tell me "it is not forbidden" quoting for me passages of women who rendered help in their homes. If you can answer this question honestly, you won't ask me that question again.

adsonstone: That does not answer my question.

Jesus said this:

Matthew 12:49
[color=#99000]For whosoever shall do the will of my Father,
that is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister,
and mother.[/color]

I did not doubt Jesus...and I can NEVER doubt Him.

If you have declared Mary 'mother of God' other women too should be declared 'mother of God' eg Nuns, Priestly Sisters.....

Stop being partial/hypocritical.


Or do you believe women that do the will of the Father are not Jesus' true mother....in other words, do you doubt Jesus in that passage?

I will answer questions, but I will not answer here the type... like when a child sees the palm tree and remembers to ask me which tree produces palm fruits. My statement earlier, says it all.

Sal C: Happy new month to my brethren in the house,

POPEII, FrancisTony, Rich4god, Italo,Woky,Syncan, Ubenedictus, babestell, Maria Gorreti, mykindofperfect, Jrbayano Nonso23, Okpurukata, Mr Aladin, Richieboyn, Chidima, Thersa, Adesua veronica,Unongu,damerry, cypher cypher, Chukwudi44, stricktlymi, Nomski0, engrtee, leon12

May God almighty bless,uphold, protect, preserve and grant you your utmost heart desire as we step into this new and blessed month in Jesus name Amen.

Please if I didn't mention your name, kindly pardon me, but bear in mind you are so so blessed.

GREETINGS FROM SAL C

Thanks Sis, Its been an honour to be with you and the rest brethren, in this vehicle. Greetings from Syncan too.

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brethren to dwell together in unity! .. Ps 133:1

Amen, Amen. May our days ahead be richly blessed.

JMAN05: Are all these among the prophet, psalms or the law which Jesus used?

Answer :

italo: Did Jesus quote from the Deuterocanonical books?

Yes---and so did the Apostles. Jesus and the Gospel writers referenced the Deuterocanonicals in the following instances:

Matthew 6:12, 14-15---"Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors; if you forgive others their transgressions, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, neither will your heavenly father forgive your transgressions."Sirach 28:2---"Forgive your neighbor's injustice; then when you pray, your own sins will be forgiven."

Luke 1:17 (describing John the Baptist)---"He will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah to turn the hearts of fathers towards children and the disobediant to the understanding of the righteous, to prepare a people fit for the Lord."Sirach 48:10---"You are destined, it is written, in time to come, to put an end to wrath before the day of the Lord, to turn back the hearts of fathers towards their sons, and to re-establish the tribes of Jacob."

Luke 1:28, 1:42---"And coming to her, he said, 'Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you!'.....Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb."Judith 13:18---"Then Uzziah said to her: 'Blessed are you, daughter, by the Most High God, above all the women of the earth; and blessed be the Lord God, the Creator of heaven and earth.

Luke 1:52---"He has thrown down the rulers from their thrones, but lifted up the lowly."Sirach 10:14---"The thrones of the arrogant God overturns, and establishes the lowly in their stead."

Luke 12:19-20---"I shall say to myself, 'Now as for you, you have so many good things stored up for many years, rest, eat, drink, be merry!' But God said to him, 'You fool, this night your life will be demanded of you; and the things you have prepared, to whom will they belong?'"Sirach 11:19---"When he says: 'I have found rest, now I will feast on my possessions,' he does not know how long it will be till he dies and leaves them to others."

Luke 18:22---"When Jesus heard this, he said to him, 'There is still one thing left for you: sell all that you have and distribute it to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.'"Sirach 29:11---"Dispose of your treasure as the Most High commands, for that will profit you more than the gold."

John 3:12---"If I tell you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?"Wisdom 9:16---"Scarce do we guess the things on earth, and what is within our grasp we find with difficulty; but when things are in heaven, who can search them out?"

John 5:18---"For this reason the Jews tried all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but he also called God his own Father, making himself equal to God."Wisdom 2:16---"He judges us debased; he holds aloof from our paths as from things impure. He calls blest the destiny of the just and boasts that God is his Father."

John 10:29---"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Father's hand."Wisdom 3:1---"But the souls of the just are in the hand of God, and no torment shall touch them."

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adsonstone: @ Italo, Syncan and Woky.

Back to Mary.

If only Mary is referred to as 'mother of God', what happens to other women Jesus called his mother?
Should you not declare them 'mother of God' too?
Including the Nuns in covents, Priestly Sisters....etc....they are entitled to being the 'mother of God'.

Adsonstone, When you are told to write the name of your mum, please write all the women you've called mum in this world, young and old, Ok.

Next question pls.

adsonstone: no, you havent answered my question.

Since Paul was fallible in that statement (and could be wrong)....
......should that part of the bible be doubted?



Yes, women preach in my church.

So you doubt these:

1Tim2:12, "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence".

1Cor14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law".

Is it that he was wrong?

truthislight: Is that word in the sriptures ? Show me, let me read it up.

Thank you.

Peace.

You've just proved me right again.

Thanks.

truthislight: My friend, Apostle paul was a teacher of God's word and he did not say he has holyspirit and teaches lies at the same time.

The problem here is that you claim that your popes are infallible when it comes to doctrines, but the evidence is the opposit.

I dont know what you want 1cor.7:12 to do for you.

Even Oyakhilome gets certain doctrine right(like "marriage is of God" ), but when he claims infallibility on all his teachings when it is obviouse that he is very fallible like your popes, it becomes obviouse that he is deliberately lying and not just error, but an intent to deceive is inherent.

But, apostle paul does not teach errors, hence, he will be rejected by God.

If there are no errors from your infallible popes, we will not be here talking, will we ?

But you are here trying to justify the errors they have taught by saying it is on "special circumstances that they are infallible".

Say they are fallible like other people and we leave this talk.

Peter was fallible, hence apostle paul corrected him, and it did not take anything from him.

But your popes are the causes of all the blunders in christiandom and killings in the name of christ and over 90% of the diversities we have today in christianity started from them, but you still say they are not fallible and we should shallow all he has ever said as the truth.

You come up with cunning to shield them from responsibility, at what time should a christian lie and at what time should he not lie ?

How then will Jesus words come true if it is so ?

" by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:20).
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When will that ^ appliy to your pope ? Smh.

If we all assign the same criteria you give to your pope to our selves in this forum, we all then will be perfact.

Why then do we comeplain about Oyakhilome talk of "mastubation is not a sin" ?

Was he talking in his capacity as infallible or fallible ? (whatever that means).

Your deceit is in the excess.

I said it before "You speak too much, but make little sense". Please one more try at helping you, in your own term, what do you understand infallibility of the pope to be?

italo: ^^^

The Prostestant pretends to argue against the Catholic doctrine of "Papal infallibility."

...but actually, what he does is to argue against his own distorted version of "Papal infallibility."

So the Protestant wins the argument, only, he wins against his own concocted doctrine of Papal infallibility.

My brother! It is tiresome.

truthislight: Not any thing about "my usual manner", but rather, you are replying because your motive is being refuted.



I dont know what you are dividing there ^.

Apostle paul said in verse 12, "but i", and continued talking till the end of the chapter and he ended it by saying "he has the holy spirit also".

When the bible was written, there was no verses, as such, what you are insinuating is a falacy.

Did you forget what he said in verse 25 ?:

"Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful." (1 Corinthians 7:25).
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Will that ^ be true ?

Because he had the holy spirit and hence, all he said was from God, just as he said he has the holy spirit.

He says there "as one who has obtained marcy".

Though he is human and makes mistake, he did not claimed infallibility and did not teach error and his life style was examplary.

Even those whose life style was bad was also recorded in the bible for us to learn from their error and has nothing to do with "infallibilty".

see:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20).

" For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21).
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How then can apostle paul speak of 'his own will' in verse 12 of chapter 7 of 1cor. ?

Peter says:

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,

which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-16).
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On the last ^, take note. Twisting to "ones own destruction".

Stop twisting it.

Peter said on "all" of apostle paul writings.

*Oh, i forgot, RCC says the scriptures that should not be tempared with is only the book of Revelation*. Smh.

It is you who quoted this "But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I [b]think [/b]also that I have the Spirit of God".

and it is you who is making this statement "Apostle paul said in verse 12, "but i", and continued talking till the end of the chapter and he ended it by saying "he has the holy spirit also".

You speak so much, making little sense. An apostle in the middle of an instruction tells you that the following instruction is coming from him and not the lord. He goes ahead to make the instructions, he reassures the people that this is from his judgement, but that he believes he is backed by the spirit of God. Now why did he in the middle of the speech, feel obligated to inform his hearers that the next set of instruction is not the lord's but his?

Why are you quarreling with what St. Paul said?

Your ignorance of the meaning of the word Infallibility is so thick and your refusal to read and learn is not helping you at all.

italo: How bodi?

Good evening all.

Guy, you are welcome, dem be de ask me of you, na small thing I for quote scripture, but the only scriptural answer wey come my head na
Gen 4:9.

truthislight: It may actually be you. No ?

The apostles never claimed what you are claiming and failing up and down, but God used them, humble men they were.

The scriptures are God's gift to man, hence has nothing to do with human infallibility.

Solomon was certainly not infallible.

Just swallow the truth, your pope is just what he is > 'a fallible imperfect human', though he lied that he is infallible.

Once again you have gone back to your former unfortunate condition. Only LK 23: 9 is my response again.

truthislight: Hold it! Not so fast!

Read down to verse 40 of same chapter and hear what he said, so that you dont input your motive.

see:

"But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God." (1 Corinthians 7:40).

He had the ^ Holy spirit he said, what was recorded was still the same even if he said so.

So, what he said: "But to the rest speak I", is still the same. No ?

He was not going up and down.

Peace.

To this i will respond graciously, since you did not ask in your usual mood.

Please look carefully at this.

"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord": and then the one you brought to the fore

"But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God".

Did you notice a difference made by those words?

Firstly, he tells you that he is the one speaking and that he has no Divine instruction - Please accept what he said, it is not the lord but him.

Secondly, just like you pointed out, he said he "thinks", He has made what he considered a sound teaching with the best of intentions, yet if someone challenges him on this at the time, he will not proclaim anathema. If he thinks, he is not certain.

@ Ukut, no worry, I do not intend to tarry long.

Too many cooks spoil the...

Come to think of it, you really told the mods to send this to Front Page, after boasting in another thread that you are "killing ten thousand" here. Is it for help from your folks or do you really think you are doing your moniker a favor here?

"Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life".

Who can guess where I'm quoting from?

"Charity covers a multitude of sin"

Who can guess where I'm quoting from?

hahahahaha, this thread just de sweet my belle. Sal C please continue. I hope you know its a spiritual work of mercy you are doing. Infact the first in the list.