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truthislight: ^^^

That your opening of your mouth is what i want now.

Please do and let me know the kind of lord that gives you instructions.

Answer my questions please.

That prayer is for the one who made the post I quoted, you especially will benefit from it, for your words so far, dear friend ,have been uncharitable to me.

truthislight: Do we take all the below as a prophesy or we should take what there are evidence for ?

"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. Kings’ daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir." (Psalm 45:6-9).
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The part of that ^ that i have evidence for from the NT as being a prophesy is this on red :


"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

8. All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. Kings’ daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir." (Psalm 45:6-9).
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Can you show evidence that vases 8 and 9 is a prophesy ?

I can show that the NT says vases 6 and 7 is a prophesy.

See :

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Hebrews 1:8-9).
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So, show evidence that vases 8 and 9 is a prophesy.

If you dont, i will accuse you of being a fraud..

Please do.

Peace.

Call me a fraud if it makes you sleep well.

truthislight: i wander how you red that to arrive at those on red.



Did you also get that from the book of Hebrews ?

Sarcasm leads no one anywhere. Tell me what is wrong with it. God was not addressing the son, or the Queen was not at the son's right hand?

truthislight: Are those all the imformation you got from that Psalm 45:6-9 ?

See:

"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. Kings’ daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir." (Psalm 45:6-9).
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Can you now read it again ?



How did you read it to arrived at this below ? :

Is the bolded, not what I quoted?

Syncan: "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre...upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir". Psalm 45:6-9.

Pls point out what is wrong with mine.

@ Adsonstone, Pls take a moment to clear me on this, What is your answer to this? Your own thought.

Italo: Were those who refused to follow the dictates of the Jerusalem council in acts 15, but still followed christ, yet preaching and demanding circumcision as contained in the sacred books, as pre-requisite for God's people....a part of Christ's Church?

vickyO: Ok.
1)The Sun clothed woman is the nation Israel, not Mary and the Psalm 45 depicts a wedding setting, read it well which in no way relates to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

2)Trinity, read I John 5:7
"For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one".

3)Mary is Jesus' earthly mother. He came to the world as a man so he had to have an earthly mother. But He'd been existing before then, in the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, He has no mother.
He returned to Heaven as God and God has no mother. If you claim she is still his mother, then she is the mother of the three God-heads cause they are one.

1. The bolded is entirely your claim, not the bible. In Gen 3:15, God prophesied about this Woman and her enmity with the devil. In Rev 1 we see the war between the same Woman and the devil come to play. What God Promised in Gen, He showed its fulfillment in Revelation.

2.I still do not see the word "Trinity" in that passage you quoted. Meanwhile, "Trinity" is more than just what that passage says. Find out.

3. Mary is the mother of the "Word made flesh" she is the mother of Emmanuel "God with us", her son is called "Mighty God". In her womb, God dwell for Nine months. It is God's making, I will not deny her that. I do not claim anything. Her son is Jesus, It is still in the name of her son (Jesus) that every knee bows. Rev 12 has made it known that she who gave birth to the son taken to the throne of God, was crowned, at it is a sign that appeared in heaven, this is what I know.

automania: THE NEW JERUSALEM IS THE WIFE OF THE
LAMB (Revelation 21:9)
THE HOLY CHURCH IS THE NEW JERUSALEM
(Revelation 19:9)

Who is the lamb? = Jesus = the king in psalm 45
Who is the lamb's bride? = the church = the queen in psalm 45.

I hope this clears it.

Pls note.

Rev12:1. The Queen (with a crown), was the one that gave birth to the Son of God....This is clear. The church did not give birth to Christ.

Good morning to you dear brethren, A new day is here. "May God be gracious to us and bless us and make his face shine upon us, " Ps 67:1.

I-am-Winner:
I have nothing much to say other than the Fact that ''PURGATORY is FICTIONAL''.. It is not Real, It does not Exist..
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If Purgatory is real and seen as an intermediate between heaven and hell, then I see no reason why It should not be found in the bible like heaven and hell.. Search the scriptures till Jesus comes and you will never find the word PURGA not to talk of the whole word.
The Word Purgatory unlike Heaven and hell was invented by man..
If at all purgatory really exist, then i will say that the Earth is purgartory!!.. Heb 9 vs 27 made it clear.. After you die, You will be Judged!!.. FINAL..

Yeah, same goes for "Trinity", "Bible", "Crusade", "Alter call", G O,"Sunday in place of Sabbath" etc. Them many bros...If you search from now till Armageddon, you no go see them for scripture.

POPE II: say the one who can't post a comment without editing it countless times? Ma belle. Abeg I promised to stay cool , so I will let your brain diarrhea and uncouth attitude slide.

Pope II, pls let it go too, no more pls

Boomark: My dear you get sense. Teach them. Syncan quoted Ps 45:6-9 and he is happy, after performing cut and join surgery. Even when he did not understand what he quote cos he never reads.

Lord teach me to keep my mouth shut,until I know what I'm talking about.

vickyO: I'm blinded and confused
You amuse me a lot..... Darkness is alien to me bro.
And the darkness surrounding you is as thick as curtains. Why are you barking without restraint? Open your eyes of understanding. You don't even know what we are currently talking about and all you do is spew insults. Your reasoning state is one that needs urgent attention.
Acting like an educated agbero...... simple manners, you lack, you lack good communication skills, and most of all you lack knowledge.

Calm down too Sis, Calm down please.

vickyO: Ok but what you quoted doesn't relate to the discussion at hand. I'm not afraid, why should I fear something I don't believe. Lets just go straight to the point. You guys believe Mary is the Queen of Heaven. The Bible never said such.
Read the book of Revelations as I said earlier, there you'll see how the marriage supper of the Lamb will take place. This prophecy, Psalms 45 is just a prophetic analogy

Please vicky, don't say what you are not sure of. Its just for you to be on a safe side.

1.I have shown you with the book of Hebrews1:8 that the prophecy in psalm 45 is real. I do not understand your Prophetic analogy.
2.The prophecy in Psalm 45 is an enthronement and not a wedding
3. Jesus was enthroned as King by His Father in Psalm 45 and Heb 1
4. There is a queen that stood at Jesus right hand.
5.Psalm 45:17 "I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever", has a striking familiarity with "For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed". LK1:48
6. Mary gave birth to Jesus
7. Rev 12 says A woman gave birth to the child, "...and her child (Jesus) was caught up unto God, and to his throne". This Woman was wearing a crown, then She is a Queen. The sign appeared in Heaven. Only one Woman gave birth to Jesus, Her name is Mary.
8. You believe in the trinity, where is it in the bible?

POPE II: okay .

Broda meeee!

Just for you Vicky, If there is a Queen in Heaven, then she is the true Queen of heaven simple. Any Idol with the title King of Heaven, cannot take away the fact that our God is the true King of Heaven. Even in our dialects, some titles we give God are what our ancestors call their gods at the earlier times, before Christianity.

You are afraid of Queen of Heaven..., read the below from a "Christian".

"Yahweh is not the author of confusion (I Corinthians 14:33), but what translators have done to Yahweh’s name is enough to make most peoples’ heads spin! Think about it! They took out His name (Yahweh), replaced it with a title (the LORD), then took the name of a false idol (God) and inserted that name as a title for Yahweh, but most people in our society commonly regard that title as actually being His name, because they know the title that has been substituted for His name (the LORD) is clearly just that: a title! Is your head spinning yet? When most people read the words “the LORD God” in their Bibles, they perceive “the LORD” as being simply a title, not recognizing it as being a substitution of His name, and the word "God" to them represents His name, even though “God” is rendered as a translation of the Hebrew title “Elohim.” To make their cover-up complete, the translators removed all evidence of there having been a heathen deity named “God.” The result: Millions of people today sincerely, yet wrongly, believe our Creator’s name is “God.” Confusion abounds"!

POPE II: syncan stop wasting your time, she's dishonest and stuck up . See how she keeps contradicting herself, they don't come here to learn and change too bad for them

Dear bro, please calm down, Its not easy changing from a preconceived idea, frankly speaking, my discuss with Vicky has really been interesting to me, I beg to disagree with her being dishonest and stuck up, as a matter of fact she apologized nicely when she seemingly offended me. Yes, yes she may not say what you'll wish to hear, but I understand her and only demand that she forgets all she knows about catholicism and give the particular things we talk about a good thought.

vickyO: The Bible never said anything about the Queen of Heaven... It didn't mention it.

Ok. For you, The bible showed that there is a Queen in Heaven, but did not show that there is a Queen of Heaven.

Did the bible say it is an abomination?

vickyO: And I said I guess so the claim that she is the Queen of heaven not to the abomination claim.
So I am changing my mind to -no, she isn't the Queen of Heaven

There seem to be a misunderstanding, and that was why I earlier asked for clarification.

Again. Is the Queen of Heaven an abomination? Yes or No

vickyO: Which fruit? so it's a crime to change one's mind. I am saying no now.
what's your point? State it and let's move forward.

Haba Sis, I was already blessing you for saying the truth. haba

Rich4god: i really want to use this avenue to commend all of you guys esp Sycan, Woky, Italo, Uben, Chuks44, Pope II... To mention but a few for their effort in defence of the Catholic faith. I must confess, am learning alot from you guys work and I pray for God's blessing upon your life. On a side note, I know its been long I joined you guys on the "war front"... its just cos of my presnt condition. Plz you guys should keep praying for me so that through the grace of God, I will make it out of my presnt condition ASAP so that I can join you guys @ the "battle field"... Glory to Jesus...

Honor to Mary. You're welcome bro. I learn a lot too. You are prayerfully remembered, "And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it" Ps 90:17.

vickyO: I said I guess so. Well, now, i'm changing my mind to no.

God bless you vicky. "By their fruits, ye shall know them", for they will be truthful and "The truth shall set you free"

vickyO: I never said it was

I asked you if this was right?

Acidosis: 'Mother' is not a title, 'Mother of God' & 'The Queen of Heaven' are forbiden and abominable titles..

And you said:

vickyO: I guess so

vickyO: The Bible never said there is a Queen of Heaven

O yeah? Where did you now get that it is an abomination?

vickyO: Because there's a queen in heaven doesn't make her The Queen of Heaven

Vicky, O yeah?

The Queen in England is not the Queen of England? Now the Queen of England, becomes an abomination to the Queen in England.

Really Vicky, think it through again.

vickyO: Nope, Woman then was a word that carried respect.
Because He can't contradict himself. He said those who do the will of the Father shall be my brother, sister and mother

Fair

No it wasn't disrespectful, Our lord can not break the fourth commandment. On the contrary, He was subject to her "And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them:but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart". Lk2:51

But it wasn't because woman then was a word that carried respect. Or do you want to prove that to me?

He already Called her "Woman" in John 2:4, long before he said "“For everyone who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven, the same is my brother and my sister and my mother.”" Matt 12:50. So it wasn't "not to contradict himself", yet there is always a reason for what He does.

vickyO: I guess so

I do not understand. Please clarify me.

Acidiosis said that Queen of Heaven is an abomination.

Me and You agreed that scripture said that God placed His Son on a throne in Heaven, and on the Son's right hand stood the Queen.

Now I ask "Is he right to say that Queen of Heaven, who stood at the right hand of God's Son in Heaven, is an abomination"?

vickyO: Jesus never referred to Mary as his mum in the Bible. People called him Son of Mary, but He never called her mother. People called him son of David but he never called him dad. He even told them that how can he be David's son when David called him Lord? How can he be Mary's son if she called him lord?
Jesus came to earth for a purpose to die for our sins. and while living he told us his family are those who obey the will of the father.
He called her woman every time he referred to her. true of false.

Only the last sentence would have sufficed, you don't need to defend anything. All you said earlier than that last sentence are not related to my question.

Now to your answer "He called her woman every time he referred to her. true of false". The answer is true.

Do you think it was a disrespect?

Do you know why He calls her that?

vickyO: And who did God say the Queen is?

Lets not be too fast Vicky, someone said

Acidosis: 'Mother' is not a title, 'Mother of God' & 'The Queen of Heaven' are forbiden and abominable titles..

The bolded is what I am dealing with now. From what you've answered, not minding who the queen is, is the bolded right?

vickyO: Of course they are.
God through His vessels
Admonishing us
Heaven
A Queen.

Bravo Vicky, just a little highlight:

God (the father) was speaking

He was talking to His son (Jesus)

The throne is in heaven

In this heaven, there is a Queen.

vickyO: She is literally, but Jesus, the one we look up to said otherwise. He had his reasons and I'm sticking to his view why? cause I am his follower.

Dear VickyO, I am happy you a female, know that one who carried another; for nine months, and gave birth to him, has merited the name Mother.

The scripture did call His Mother - Confirmed.

Now to the other Issue.

What did Jesus call Mary, in the recorded places in scripture?

POPE II: Thank you brother , I will go through your links later in the day. Once again thank you

You are most welcome.