₦airaland Forum

Harnny:
"The Arabs captured the land in the time of the Mulads." did they send the people there packing? No!!! the "Jews" were still there, some remained as Jews, and some converted. However..." the people" there remained "the people" there. It was just a change of rulers... and some religions and a mix of some Arabs (who are also just as semite as the originals). Won't you say they were more lenient than the Christian Romans? Now the people there don't have a problem with the Jews as they lived together with Christians and Muslims. Then came those Jews expelled from Europe and the rest is history. Imagine the ifa worshippers in Brazil becoming more successful and richer than the Yoruba of SW Nigeria. They claimed slavery took them to America and they rightly own ile ife. Most local Yourba people already become Christians or Muslims. We still have Ifa worshippers amongst us with whom we all live in peace. But since Ile-Ife is the cradle of Ifa, the local Ifa worshippers teamed with the Brazilians, who mostly speak and appear differently now due to years abroad and inter-marriage but still claim Ifa identity, to take over Oyo, Osun, Ondo, and Kwara and left the current Yourba with Lagos and Kwara while still controlling what they do there including our waterways in Lagos. Will you say the Saro/Local Ifa guys were magnanimous in leaving the rest of the Yoruba with Kwara and Lagos state?

So you agree with everything I said.
It was the Mulads that first colonized the area and that Jews have always been in the land.
Now, thousands of Arabs migrated from Egypt to the land of Palestine during the time of the ottoman empire. The Arab migration continued during the time of the British mandate. But the Arabs got jealous and angry with Jewish migration. What right did the Arabs have to determine who migrated to that land. Note. Before 1948, the Jews did not obtain even a plot of land through violence. The Arabs began the violence and lost everything. So what moral right do they have to claim anything?
Again, it's not the same with the Ifa picture you created. Before the 20th century the land of Palestine was a land of migrants. But the Arabs who were not even the government at the time felt like they had the power to decide who comes to the land. They lay claim of the land. Remember, the lost control of the land to the ottoman in the 1500s.

Harnny:
First you mention that I didn't respond on if Biafra was a genocidal war.... My position was that Biafran should have been let go. Nigerian Army was curbing an insurgence. The Biafran soldiers were also well-armed. there were casualties but there was no genocidal intention. Before you dwell on this... I have never supported the claim that Israel is committing genocide... I have maintained it is colonialistic and should let the people be and have their own country. Back to Biafra... The concept of Biafra was just as guilty of what it was fighting for. You don't want to be part of Nigeria, but you forcefully conscript and intend to subjugate the NIger Deltans who do not want to be part of you. Two wrongs don't make a right. The government was still responsible for the Biafran welfare until Awolowo suggested it be stopped... how is that genocidal?
How do you mean west-bank is disputed?... what gives Israel the right to "allows the Palestinians to govern themselves"? you say all these with the assumption that Israel owns this region els,e I don't know what position will give anyone that kind of perception. It is like saying... the US allow Mexico to govern itself but goes into Mexico to protect Americans forcefully taking over people's land and houses. You said Israel conceded like the nation of Israel as created in 1948 included Westbank and Gaza. You mention Christian persecution like Palestine is a religion... no! it is a race of people. These guys don't ask to be pampered... they ask to be free!!!. Ibos are not asking to be given presidency or ministerial positions... they ask to be free!!!

Ok at least you are not in the genocide gang so let's talk West Bank.
I am happy that with you, we can talk about the land of Palestine without the distraction of genocide.
1, You call the Jews colonialists. But it's actually the other way. The Arabs are the colonialists.
The Arabs captured the land in the time of the Mulads.
Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Israel had zero Arabs before 600 ad. Today. Arabic is the dominant language and the formal onwers of the lands can't be recognized. Before the Arabs took over these lands, do you know that they were all majority Christian people?
Now , under the Arabs, the land of Palestine was just a colony.
And guess what, there were Jews still in that land by then.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule
The the ottoman empire took over. The ottoman are present day Turkey. Still it was just a colony. Both Arabs and Jews continued to migrate to the land. Arabs migrated at a larger population but there was never an Arabic nation, it was still just a colony.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
Then the British took over and it remained a colony where both Jews and Arabs were free to migrate. But at that time, Jews began to migrate in greater numbers and Arabs began to attack the Jews.
By 1947, Jews made up 30% of the population and the UN did the right thing in dividing the land among the two groups. The Arabs refused and went to war and lost more land in the process.
Since the 70s, the Jews have been the only group conceding. They gave up Gaza completely. They gave the Palestinians autonomy in the West Bank. Please tell me what the Palestinians have done for peace. And how does the west bank belong to the Palestinians?
Rather than fight for these spoiled Palestinians, why don't we give our voices to the Christians in Syria. Again these are mainly non Arabs and in less than 12 years, they have been reduced from 10% to about 2%>

Emusan:
We have read their mind through their posts here, they know there's a problem with Watchtower.

That is why you see them deceiving themselves with after all no BETTER PERFORMANCE group out there.

I actually love their zealousness. But it seems it's easier to be zealous in the wrong than in the right.

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse will say they are not meddlers or busybody in other people's matter

tctrills come and see meddlers and busybody

Oga we both know that organization is one with many shades of grey to say the least. I have compared their beliefs to the truth in the scripture and it's contrary. I even commend MaxinDHouse. What he is doing is not easy. He is trying to defend the indefensible. I am beginning to admirer his devotion. Let's be honest, these guys see all their faults and errors. They know these things more than we do but they have refused to move on and open their eyes to greater light. MaxinDHouse is actually not dumb. He knows it when you hit him with the truth but he is set in his ways and must fight even if it means drowning in falsehoods.
I admire his courage only that I wish he was using it for a just purpose.

psalmsjob:
In this case I'm perfect atleast more than righteousness and you but my goal is not just to "appear" perfect or for you and him to hear me but to "do it" cleanse your heart & act out and ask for the spirit of God to dwell in you so to guide you and make you humble enough to "finger" and own up to your mistakes or sins by being sorry about it so that you can be all that God expects you to be on time. But you have the choice to cover up your sins with leaves when God has covered you with Jesus instead and admitting to your sins is a way of taking up that eternal covering.

You talk like a child. But then, there is a reason why children are not allowed to mark their exam scripts by themselves. Because they would all claim to be the best just like you are doing. If you are better than us as you claim, let others say it.
And just because we disagree does not make me the sinner. Have you ever thought that you just might be wrong?

psalmsjob:
Have you noticed that he is not yet man enough to respond with his own moniker which I actually replied to but in keeping with his and your character as a hypocrite living a double life, claiming what they are not as though they will rather delegate you partners in lies to cover up for him through diversion, canceling, guilt-projection, reverse psychology etc to hush me up or intimate me but you guys can only try because I don't need your validation to know what I know of him by simply using that word "fingered their brain" when he could have said "toy with their brain" or "tinker with their brain" and that wouldn't "trigger" any "foul" emotions that I had even forgotten about from my past life as a player but you liars can rationalise it away but it is really what it is that your righteousness or holiness or every other moniker he hides behind and lies is a fraud if he continues to claim that he didn't make a mistake with his choice of word in that comment because to err is human but forgive is divine.

Tell him wherever you lairs gather to discuss your lying strategy that he should remember what Jesus said would happen to anyone who leads his innocent children, of whom I belong too, to sin against him because in Jesus's law even the thought of committing a sin means you have committed it.

Sinners who cannot own up to his/her "sin" mistake are distasteful to God He says.

Mr perfect we hear you.

Harnny:
Nothing justifies the killing in the Nigerian civil war. The wrong is not limited to the Nigerian part. Both sides have their faults at the leadership level. If I become Nigerian president today, I would likely hold a referendum for the people in the east to decide their fate. For west banks... what do you call "not suffering"?. Having your homes demolished and taken over by settlers and not able to do jack about it?, your farms burnt down and repurposed. Your shops are continuously attacked by settlers while they are protected by a foreign government. Your government not able to do anything to protect your right whatsoever?. What then do you define as suffering?. You can even protest your confinement without being detained without trial. the HDI you mention is the AIDs they get controlled by Isreal and apportioned based on how good you ignore your inhumane treatment. You don't see me carry a gun to go to Gaza, it is simply my opinion. It's inhuman how they are treated. Same way I believe NMK should be given the chance to take his people with him if they want to.

Let's again look at your comments. So you did not answer if the Biafran war was genocide, rather, you blamed both groups. That is really weak.
In the case of Biafra, you choose to blame both groups but I have not seen you offer a single blame to the Palestinians. This is clearly a double standard. So let me ask again, was the Biafran war a genocide? and if yes, who committed it and why are you not fighting for the Igbos to get justice?

So you clearly do not understand the meaning of HDI. I am telling you that life in the West Bank is better than Africa counting everything you claim the Jews do to them.
Now, the West Bank is a disputed land claimed by both the Jews and the Palestinians. Israel allows the Palestinians to govern themselves. Also, the West Bank is extremely volatile hence there is a restriction on movement which is actually good for the Palestinians. In 2022 alone, there were over 300 shootings from radicals in the West Bank so when you complain of attacks from settlers, it goes both ways. Israel has a right to protect its people from the Palestinians and Just because the West Bank is safer than Gaza does not mean it's perfect for the Jews. Don't forget that there is still a cold war ongoing in the West Bank.
We have seen people in other conflict areas, the people of the West Bank are the most pampered and spoilt than people in any other conflict area. Israel has conceded too much more without getting anything in return. I think Israel has been super fair. No other nation will pamper their enemies the way Israel pampers the people of the West Bank. If you are interested in being Humane and not just political, then talk about Sudan, the Kurds, Yemen, and Syria. Talk about the Christian persecution in Arab land and then I will hear you. But when you add your voice to the world's most pampered people, that's where you lose me

BondRiv:
I don't care what you believe. You are the nobody. Deal with your issues.

You obviously care and you are clearly uncomfortable that's why you responded. And I understand why you will want me to go back to my issues and leave you alone. But then, you don't need to go to war with anyone not on your side. That's not how we learn from each other.

Krismas:
get lost

You can continue the falsehood while Israel keeps winning. By the end of the war, more Hamas members would have died than all Israelis who died from you terrorists from 1948 put together.
Say no to terrorism

psalmsjob:
What I observed about his use of the word "fingered" doesn't mean I disagree with his entire post on the topic but it is unbecoming for a person who claims righteousness and claims to be led by the Spirit of God to use such a word in a post in which he referenced God.

All I'm saying is that if he was truly in tune with the Spirit (at least in this case) he wouldn't have used that word because it was explicit or suggestive or street language that only "sinners" would use

And quite honestly I don't care if you, him or anybody likes or agrees with me or not as long as I'm doing my PslamsJob here which is partly to point out liars and hypocrites I detect here in any shape, word or act in which they expose and exhibit themselves here.

Oga just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make you any better. That word has many meanings. You chose to be triggered by the word and it's not his fault.

Harnny:
How is this war? Russia - Ukraine is at war and I condemn Russia for the aggression but did you research why Russia is the aggressor or you only listen to the Western version?... you cannot even compare because Ukraine has a standing army. How is resistance against occupation a war?
Is Hamas in the West Bank too? Do you know these guys have a fishing limit on their seas? What do you think will happen If Ipob resistance becomes so strong and Nigeria gives it some form of autonomy but controls its border and air space? Nothing comes in or out without their say-so, and kill Ibos at will persecute those ones living in Delta (west bank) demolish their property, and take their lands.

Let's go through what you have said one by one. To your first question, I always listen to both side. I understand the Russian excuse. I watched Tucker's interview with Putin and I have heard other Russians give their reason for the war.
Now let's talk about the West Bank that you brought up.
Do you know that the Human Development Index is 0.715 that is about the same with the nation of Jordan. It has a higher HDI than almost every country in Africa including yours.
Did you know that life expectancy in the West Bank is 76.6 years? Yet you guys claim these people are suffering and Israel is oppressing them.
Are there any restrictions in the West Bank? Yes, and all of them are born out of security concerns.
Please, me and you know people who are suffering. Those in the West Bank are not in any way suffering.
By the Human Development Index, they are an Average county.
If the West Bank was in Africa, it would be among the top 10 countries in Africa.
You are fighting for people who are far better than you.
You talked about Ipob and the Nigerian government and that lacks context.
Let me ask you, what's your opinion about the Nigerian civil war? Was it a genocide? Over 2 million civilians died. If it wasn't, what are your reasons for saying so, and if it was, why are you guys not fighting for justice and compensation of the victims but you rather fight for a war 1000 miles away?

Krismas:
look how shameless this israeli lickspittle, genocidal cheer leader is making a disgusting U turn from his earlier ridiculous, scandalous position of denigrating a post put up by the flabbergasted israeli govt. who is almost at its ends wit!

Oga you can keep speaking English instead of facing the truth. Your intention was to spread fake news and I called you out.
I guess you are hurt because I popped your bubble and you can't sell that narrative anymore. Anyway, I will keep doing it to you if you don't change from your evil ways.

Krismas:
you address the issue of fake post first. u are very very ridiculous
u said the post was fake!

I did not say it was fake. I said it was not an official site. Actually, there is nothing like a fake post but there is something called fake news.
Now what were you trying to sell oga. Israel is a nation surrounded by terrorists yet they have far lower casualties that counties like Nigeria.
This should be celebrated oga.

GAZZUZZ:
CNG is not LPG .

Cooking gas is not natural Gas.

Oga cooking gas is got from natural gas.

GAZZUZZ:
There are fleets of CNG Ehailing vehicles in Edo, Abuja , Lagos , Ibadan, Abeokuta and growing .

You don't have to be a pessimist all the time.

Oga we don't have up to 0.001% of cars using CNG in any state. Please let them leave the gas for cooking. The price is already high enough.

Krismas:
den show me the post on the so called verified page of israel X for the stated date otherwise remain forever silent

First, you have proved to be an illiterate. You can't even read or understand what you posted.
The numbers you posted are the total number of Israeli terror related deaths since 1948.
Hope you get it now.
That's less than the Nigerian terror related deaths under Buhari.
Please go back to school

Krismas:
get lost.
go to the official X page of the Israeli government and check the entry for 5/13/24. if this post is not there, then u can come back and say so.
until then, stop talking nonsense just cos u are a Zionist sycophant genocidal lickspittle

Are you an illiterate? You mean at this age, you can't tell the official page of a government or organization on Twitter?
Wow.
I understand your support for Hamas but you don't need to embarrass yourself.
The page you shared is the page of a Hamas supporter like you. That you can't even see this is what baffles me.

Krismas:

Oga are you 5 years old? You mean your evidence comes from a random unverified tweeter page?
It's clear that you started using the internet this year. Don't worry, you will learn. You will grow.

Krismas:
25,040 jewish soldiers dead! 😍

You need help, you now depend on unverified tweets for your news.

Harnny:
so it's okay to kill 7k?

It's war oga. People die. You hypocrite, why are you not calling for justice in any other war going on.

psalmsjob:
The first time I read a post by you here on Nairaland some years back I felt "happy" because you interpreted the Bible well on the topic but over these past years I feel "sad" because you're drifting away little by little. You are no longer writing under the leading of the Spirit of God as evidence today. So you mean to tell me that you couldn't find another word other than "FINGERED" to convey your message in your first paragraph? I'm sure a man filled with the spirit of God will not choose that porn-word or explicit word to express his thoughts....but as the Bible says; out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speak. I guess you cannot help yourself.

But I guess you too need to hear or remember that Jesus can come at any moment as we are at the end times indeed.

Because he doesn't agree with you anymore right?

BondRiv:
They can't be trusted. USA calls the shots. The UN is useless.

And we should believe a nobody like you without any evidence of prove, just empty words

babz11:
MUMu Dey worry you, you are so deluded, so if Jesus were to come to the world now, he would be with the Oppressor or oppressed? People who kill women and children in the name of retaliatory attack?

You hide behind your women and kids and you expect them not to be harmed. Grow up.

Krismas:
The IDF has been suffering heavy casualties as of late. Day after day, helicopters go in, helicopters go out of the Gaza Strip to evacuate dead bodies and the wounded.

Still not up to 500 dead. Or do you have contrary figures?

Emeskhalifa:
What difference does it make? Children and women were killed

In every war, women and children are killed. It's painful and it's a pity but that's just the nature of war. If you love your women and children, don't start a war.

Ekaette1621990:
The world would have been a better place without religion.

Religion is Man Made.

Know this and have peace.

Anyway I laugh in Swahili 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Just like china and north Korea are about the greatest places in the world as the are the least religious places.
You are laughing at the man in your mirror.

Namaster:
The West is doing everything to make a genocidal Israel come out smelling like roses.

Very PATHETIC!

It's up to you to believe who you want. But then, you need some education. The UN and the west are not the same. The UN has been very critical of Israel. So if you choose to get your news from terrorists, oga that one is your business

Friend22:
Keep overestimating the rubbish you wrote.

You did not answer any of the questions.
You were basically evading the questions through false equivalence.
Your comparison of Ukraine to Palestine is such an unreasonable approach that I actually stopped reading the drivel you wrote.

Israel as it is today is an occupier and this occupier is being sponsored and supported by Western powers that be.

Did you even know that as at 1948 the state of Israel was not in the world map?

Do you know how they arrive Palestine?

Do your know the Balfur declaration?

Do you know how the Nakhba took place?

Do you know?
Do you know?

Imagine ,if Fulani herdsmen that you guys keep complaining about in the South happens to take over your lands and drive you out of your homelands and they are supported by powers that be ,will you say this is just a war when your people fight back to reclaim their lands just like Hamas are doing?
Will you call it war of casualties if these fulanis keep bombing and killing your people including innocent women and children out smithereens?

Will you?!

I know you will come again with one confused and beautiful nonsense and claim your answered my questions while you know you are just playing the ostrich.

Keep playing this game I know you're enjoying this attention.
Enjoy it while it last.


That's the Balfour declaration below if you can objectively read it since those who decide to brainwash you hides this from your likes


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/11/2/more-than-a-century-on-the-balfour-declaration-explained&ved=2ahUKEwiU0LD7_oqGAxWci_0HHZSjA54QFnoECBoQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3CyFlr3b5Dh_murRdaK0Rs

Again in your long episode, you couldn't show how Israel was at fault.
Everything you wrote, I know but clearly that's all you know.
If you want me to teach you the history, I will.
I asked you a question you still have no answer to tell me any war that doesn't have civilian casualties.
Lastly you claim I did not answer your questions. But we both know that's a lie. You should have said that you had no come back from my answers.
Now to some history lesson,
There have been Jews living in that land even before the Balfour declaration.
Do you know that Jews lived in that land in the Roman times.
Do you know that Jews lived in that land in the time of the Mulads
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule
Do you know that Jews lived in that land under the Ottoman
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Please when you get serious and are ready to learn, I will be here to teach you
Just because you read about the Balfour declaration, you thought you know anything?
Now do you know how the Arabs got to that land?
My boy, you know nothing.
In my next post. I will give you a full lecture on the history of both the Jews and the so called Palestinians in that land

bestman09:
Daddy G.O. is talking to us his children, not you guys that don't understand how the spirit works. If you don't get the message, just forgerrit!

He is talking to you who don't read your bible.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Friend22:
Me and you who be child?

You are not explaining anything.

You are only regurgitating what you see on CNN and BBC.
I know your type too well.

Let's assume that I was regurgitating CNN and BBC, but at least I was able to answer all your questions.
On the other hand, you keep making this a popularity contest. I agree those on your side are more in number but I am able to think and choose for myself which is something you are not capable of doing.
Till today, you still don't know why you are against Israel.
You asked 3 questions, and I answered all beautifully.
Then I asked you just one question and you are unable to answer.
Again, mention the wars that don't have innocent civilian casualties?
If you can't answer this, don't bother repling.

[quote author=Friend22 post=129929267]Me and you who be child?

You are not explaining anything.

You are only regurgitating what you see on CNN and BBC.
I know your type too well.

Friend22:
I have explained and I keep explaining but you decide to do what you felt was right.
If you refuse to see evil that even Joe Biden even threatened it won't approve sale of weapons to terrorist Israeli government and all the protest going on on American universities?
It's either your intentionally daft or just deliberately blind in supporting evil.

Now,get this,I don't care who the hell you are or what you do or support in this ,but I know deep down you are a EVIL human being with no conscience.
Your pretending to be objective and trying to sound meeky and it has not mask you as one.

You can now get LOST!

This child,
I have been the one doing all the explaining. The only thing you have done is inform me that you guys are in the majority and give me a list of people on your team.
To me, your approach is naive and childish and it shows that you are not making use of your brain but depending on others to think for you.
Clearly you are not a very sound person
Have a good day.