₦airaland Forum

Righthussle:
You call what we have independence ?

It's 100% independence. But it's up to you to choose to grow or to keep crying about 1914.
All our problems are local. Our connection with the UK is very minimal now. Our major trade partner is China.
So why should we continue to bear animosity towards them.

thesicilian:
Unlike most other countries on earth, there's absolutely nothing that Nigerians will agree on, not even national team football. There'll always be division along ethnoreligious lines.

Trust me, most countries don't agree on anything. Human beings are created like that

Righthussle:
Nothing can describe the love Nigeria has for her colonizer and enslaver. The love is too much.

This guy normally should have been stoned and chased out of the country for the atrocities his ancestors committed against us.

Your comment is too funny. It doesn't matter if your love or hate your colonizers. They have given you your independence and it's up to you to decide how to use it.
You could use it to elect a Tinubu and further destroy your country though.

Friend22:
Yiu call this a war?!

The God sake are you blind?!

Who is fighting who?

You are just so so so naive and irresponsible at the same time.


This isn't war man,it's pure genocide going on and you're blindly calling it a war?!

You came here just to insult me and make statements without any prove.
Typical behavior of the Hamas mob.
You boys are all the same. Sentimental and childish.
Anyway. I am used to you boys.
You've had the opportunity to explain to me and the rest of the world how this is different from every other war but as usual, you can.
How would you explain to your kids that this particular war is genocide and other wars are not? Or will you just force it down their brains that this was a genocide?

Not her best performance. But I guess the song will grow on us.

Putindbutt:
This bitter obidient is still in campaign mode. Tinubu cannot make straight speech but the ones he has been making both home and abroad, na your papa dey make am for him.

The sweet bacterias are buying fuel for N100 a litter.

Putindbutt:
IMF dey mad, the way they interfere in our affairs is crazy. Are they the one paying the subsidy on our behalf?. Ukraine and Gaza need loans but na African matter go kill them.

They have a right to interfere because you always come back to them for loans.

[quote author=Friend22 post=129916046]You think you are talking to one brain dead Vegetable reeling out lies as of you were swallowing spit.

How come most of the neutral people in this world are calling for a stoppage to the genocide going on in Gaza and Palestine?
Oga just because majority are on one side doesn't mean they are right. Majority of Nigerian voters voted for Buhari and you see where it landed us.
Justice and truth is not decided by majority. Sometimes. The minority is right and this is one of such times. :
It's seems you have chosen to pitch your tent with majority without thinking for yourself and to me, that's a big shame.

Sometimes I wonder if you guys are even a bit objective as you sound.
I asked a simple question,is the killing of innocent people loosing lands and property commensurate.
I can swear most of you commenting on this issue only became aware of this after Oct 7 attack.
You asked a simple question and I answered it.
I told you that being commensurate has never been an objective in war. Now let me explain again why that is a foolish question.
Let's assume Russia kills 10 Ukrainians in the present war, the Ukrainian generals would not be asking what number of Russian deaths are commensurate. Instead the will be looking for the best way to make it impossible for Russia to kill more Ukrainians. In the case of Israel, the best way is eliminating Hamas at all cause.

They've killed no less the 25,000 people in Palestine and majority of them being children.
To show heartless Israel is they killed some UN health workers last month that they had to admit that it was a "military error' you can see how shameless you can all be![/
I asked you to mention a war without civilian deaths and you are yet to mention one.
In 2021, the US killed little kids mistaken for terrorists in Afghan. All those involved in the attack have been promoted but the IDF men who mistakenly fired at the UN workers have all been sacked.
Hamas don't wear uniforms so it's more difficult to identify them. But Israel is doing all they can and they are really trying.
I guess this addresses all you concerns.

Deltancapo:
So that isrealhell will take over Palestine lands as they did in 1948 no Arab country want that to happen again.

Victory for the Palestinians.

See stupidity. So you prefer they die and keep the land bah. Thank goodness Europeans are not that stupid. The are taking Ukrainians as refugees instead of leaving them on the land so Russia can't take it
You are the same fool that complain about the death toll yet you value land over human life.

Krismas:
jewish exodus is a hoax
it neither happened nor can it be proved.
thanks for the debate. i will not reply u again. bye

Because one Krismas on Nairaland said it never happened the whole world should rewrite history. You Hamas guys I don't know how you think. Do you boys think you own the world. You feel you have the power to declare what did or did not happen just because

Empiree:
Guy, wake up from your slumber. The resistance produces their video footage on the go and this obviously disproves all your lies about using human shields.

Start watching ELECTRONIC INTIFADAH for real battles, not the BBC CNN and other mainstream media rubbish. Isræl is on a loss mission.

Please list the lies you have disproved with your videos?

Empiree:
guy, if you and IDF are truthful, they should produce video of resistance using civilians as "human shields". They have not produced one in 7 months but I am not surprised because this is what they have been saying for decades anytime fight broke out.

Isræl is a state terrorist

Oga this is war not a movie. Believe what you want biko

Krismas:
People also ask
What was the population of Palestine in Roman times?
This is a subject which has certainly not been neglected by scholars. Recently, Byatt (1973) collected 18 estimates of the population of Palestine during the Ist century A.D. They range from 6,000,000 (Conder) or more than 5,000,000 Jews (Juster), down to less than a million of which less than half were Jews (McCown).
there were 30legions of roman army in palestine alone. with each legion, consisting of 6,000 soldiers. not to talk of numerous roman politicians and bureaucrats. u telling me, the funding for all of that will come from 40k people?

First, what you wrote did not mention the year. How many soldiers remained after the Jewish exodus.
Again, it would not have been an issue if the Romans maintained the army in Israel with funds from other areas. Every government does that.

Krismas:
conversation with u, is becoming boring and meaningless

My big problem with you is that you know very little, you have not read books. You point to mo source but you feel you are qualified to question history.
You have the mindset of an average Hamas supporter. They lack knowledge, the humility to learn but they want to force their foolish opinions on everyone but some how it is working. Strange times.

Krismas:
absolute rubbish. u mean u actually believe wot u just posted? palestine under the romans included today's israel, west bank, gaza, jordan and lebanon. only 40,000thousand people were left by the romans in this vast places? sincerely, the stupidity of zionists sycophants is amazing!
a colonial power, survives thru taxing people in their domain. who were the romans taxing in palestine, 40,000people? how stupid do u think the romans were?

And you don't believe it because?
Yes the Romans taxed people but not every where contributed the same tax. If there were only 40k people you don't expect them to tax more.
Over a thousand years, in 1267 under ottoman rule, the population of the area was just 340,000. This was even after Jerusalem because a holy land to Islam so keep fighting history. Again you are being a bit foolish here. Your point seems to be that if the population reduces, the Romans would give up the territory because the taxes were small. I don't know how that makes sense even to you.

Krismas:
conversation with u, is becoming boring and meaningless

Why wouldn't it be when you have led us to a conversation about war videos.
No intelligent person rates wars by the quality of the videos. So as I saw your unseriousness, I decided to play your game.

Krismas:
i think u did not understand me very well. israel does produce videos of combat. but no hamas in those vids. they just show themselves runing around, busting doors, blowing up buildings, terrorizing civilians, etc. there is never hamas in their vids. they are not in gaza to fight hamas. they cant tell u how many hamas they have killed. israel is a fraud

So your point is that they don't produce the kind of videos you love. I now understand you point

Krismas:
who are this people? where did they come from? wen u dig a hole to fill a hole, what u get is still a hole

No hole oga. First a few Jews remained behind.
40,000 individuals survived, and the emperor let them to go wherever they chose.

A Roman legionary tomb at Manahat, the remains of Roman villas at Ein Yael and Ramat Rachel, and the Tenth Legion's kilns found close to Giv'at Ram, all within the borders of modern-day Jerusalem, are all signs that the rural area surrounding Aelia Capitolina underwent a romanization process, with Roman citizens and Roman veterans settling in the area during the Late Roman period.[45] Jews were still banned from the city throughout the remainder of its time as a Roman province.

Krismas:
stop wasting your time. israel is the only country i have seen that cannot produce a single combat vid against hamas. israel does not know how many hamas fighters it has killed. israel is a fraud.

You are right, Israel is not into video production. They prefer to fight wars. Your entire sorrow is about Israel's inability to produce war films. I guess war films are so important to you.

Krismas:
WEN u are ready to answer the question, let me know

it's a foolish question. The Romans moved many people from their lands but those land got other occupants over time. So how does your question make sense.
I see you are the boy who wants to fight history right.

Friend22:
I asked some questions.
Are you willing to objectively answer them or, you are just one of those hypocrite who play to the gallery?

Answer the damn questions damn it!

Oga stop swearing. You Hamas bros are all the same, always aggressive.

Now let's answer all your questions

Do you think it is right to kill innocent women and children because Hamas captured some hostages?
It's wrong to kill innocent people no matter the reason but the death of innocent people in war is inevitable.
I would love you to mention the war that was fought in an urban area without the death of the innocent. It's painful but can't be prevented.

It's the ratio of killing by amount commensurate with that of Israel?
This is a foolish question. The goal in every war fought since the creation has never been commensurate killing rather to overcome your enemy.
No army in the world hopes for commensurate killing, so let's count this one as an unintelligent question.


Do we kill people who know nothing about an action simply because they share the same territory with us?
This is basically the same question as the first. You are in other words asking if it is right to kill the innocent.
But then let me answer it a bit differently. If everyone goes by your school of thought, then we are only encouraging terrorism. Terrorists world wide would know that so long as they hide behind innocent women and children, they are free to commit any atrocity.
Sometimes we have to take hard decisions to eliminate evil and make this world a better place.

You remember the Okuoma killings of soldiers in Delta State?
Would it be justified to kill just anybody that reside there simply because some of their sons killed soldiers?
Good question. First, the Nigerian army has a duty to protect the people of Okuama because they are Nigerians. Hamas owes the people of Gaza the same responsibility because they are the government of Gaza. If it were your citizens, I understand applying more caution.
But then, I see the IDF are applying great caution.
In the Afghan war, the ratio of civilian to military deaths was 9:1. Israel has by far, the lowest ratio of civilian deaths in any urban war modern history. Please verify if you don't believe.
Please ask more questions. This is much better than mentioning who is on your side. Let's face the issues.
It's clear that you are growing.

general111:
He doesn't know how many Hamas has been killed.
He will tell you to ask the idf,because according to him only Hamas has been doing the killing..
Infact they have killed a hundred and fifty thousand members of the idf.

He is just a fool

Friend22:
I am not playing a game lady!

I am laying facts for your to see.

Mentioning the names of actors is way too foolish.
How do actors represent the real picture of what is going on?

Okay,let's leave out those people for the sake of objectivity .

Do you think it is right to kill innocent women and children because Hamas captured some hostages?

It's the ratio of killing by amount commensurate with that of Israel?

Do we kill people who know nothing about an action simply because they share the same territory with us?

You remember the Okuoma killings of soldiers in Delta State?
Would it be justified to kill just anybody that reside there simply because some of their sons killed soldiers?

I want you to answer me objectively.

Oga you are only playing games and a very foolish one for that matter. By posting names of people on your side instead of talking about the issue.
This is not a popularity contest. You should know this.
Learn, study and research then you will be qualified to discuss the issues without naming people.

Friend22:
i am just laughing at your naivety!
You are either acting like a baby who don't have a mind of his or her own to be objective or you're just pretending to be an adult.

Do you know the orthodox Jews do not support the on going genocide .
Do you know professor Norman Finkelstein a Jewish professor who have always being outspoken against the going genocide?

Do you know about Tom Hinkle and his likes who have constantly spoken and written against all the Israelis atrocities?
Do you know them?!

So,you think your views are the only standard by which right and wrong can be gauged?
It is such a pity that a person of your standing will stoop so low to dehumanise a people simply because they don't pander to whatever ulterior proclivities you have.

You need to be human first before seeing that the oppressor here has always being Israel backed by America and other spineless nations who we can't even recall their names.

Even the Spanish president as spoken against this oppression same with Nelson Mandela the epitome of democracy in Africa and the world over have said several times that the world can only be free when the people of Palestine are free.

You think these people are not well informed? but you who have probably being brainwashed by Western news media and maybe your pastor knows better?!

I am deeply sorry on your behalf.

Let me play your foolish game for a while.
Here are a list of people supporting Israel
Carly. Gal Gadot, Jerry Seinfeld, Jamie Lee Curtis, Chris Pine, Mayim Bialik, Liev Schreiber, Amy Schumer and Michael Douglas

Clearly, you can't think are research for yourself. According to you, it has to be right if madela and the Spanish president says so.
And you call me naive?
You have lost the right to use that word.

Krismas:
I think the pics show three coffins
show me one single hamas coffin
i am locked in on gaza, i dont want to be distracted to another warfront for now

Loool now you are locked in Gaza. Now that you have seen that your stands are nonsense, you lock yourself in Gaza. I love this.
Now let me ask you, from your pictures and videos, how many Hamas members have been killed.
Since you are following this war, this should be the easiest question for you.
Provide the picture and tell me how many Hamas members have been killed.

Friend22:
i am just laughing at your naivety!
You are either acting like a baby who don't have a mind of his or her own to be objective or you're just pretending to be an adult.

Do you know the orthodox Jews do not support the on going genocide .
Do you know professor Norman Finkelstein a Jewish professor who have always being outspoken against the going genocide?

Do you know about Tom Hinkle and his likes who have constantly spoken and written against all the Israelis atrocities?
Do you know them?!

So,you think your views are the only standard by which right and wrong can be gauged?
It is such a pity that a person of your standing will stoop so low to dehumanise a people simply because they don't pander to whatever ulterior proclivities you have.

You need to be human first before seeing that the oppressor here has always being Israel backed by America and other spineless nations who we can't even recall their names.

Even the Spanish president as spoken against this oppression same with Nelson Mandela the epitome of democracy in Africa and the world over have said several times that the world can only be free when the people of Palestine are free.

You think these people are not well informed? but you who have probably being brainwashed by Western news media and maybe your pastor knows better?!

I am deeply sorry on your behalf.

I think it would be naive of me to swallow the words of someone like you.
We are talking of things that occured before you and I were born and you want me to believe you and not the words of ancient historians and people in that field. Honestly do you understand the meaning of naivety.
What exactly is your point, you mentioned a few people on your side and that makes you right. Is that how intelligent people think. Do you want me to mention those on my side and make this a popularity contests. Bro you are the child here. I don't need the Spanish president to teach me how to think. I choose to educate myself and learn from both sides and I suggest you do the same.

Krismas:
look at matthew mark luke and john for instance, how many people know, that those names were randomly imposed upon those books, that were found without author names to them wotsoever? same thing with the writings of Josephus. its filled with scholastic fraud and downright forgeries. no body takes Josephus seriously outside religious morons and crackhead evangelicals. nevertheless, u still can answer the quiz. IF ALL JEWS WERE PURGED TO EUROPE BY ROMANS, WHO THEN WERE THE ROMANS RULING OVER IN PALESTINE?

Oga I have no interest in your personal opinion. Tell me where the records of Josephus are wrong and then we can have a real discussion.
You call christians morons yet you are the one putting out nonsense without a single evidence or record to back your words.
Now the premise of your question is even wrong for many reasons. Purging one group out doesn't mean the land would remain empty

Krismas:
so far, 17 houthi fighters have been killed by america. i have a vid of an actual bombing, that killed a houthi fighter. the friend by his side, called his name 3thrice, wept over him briefly and then buried him and returned back to take his post in fighting. its touching. but i have to look for that vid among so many vids i have. it will take time. i would like to show u dat vid

I am not seeing the pictures of 17 fighters. Please show their pictures sir

Friend22:
Let me engaged you a little,what do you define as tolerance?
Is it good enough to tolerate people who blindly supports OPEN and BLATANT oppression?
Or,your definition of tolerance is simply that I accept a view even if it clearly goes against world wide ethical standards?

I want you to engage me sensibly o.

Will you tolerate people who support those who are constantly kill innocent people?

Please, teach me what tolerance is,I want to learn what you really mean by that word.

First, there is nothing called world wide ethical standards.
And talking about standards. Israel was just found not guilty of genocide at a world court. So what exactly is your problem?
You think Israel is oppressing the Palestinians but millions of people across the world do not agree with you.
Personally I don't think you are insane, I just think you are uninformed like millions across the world and you are too lazy to do your research.

Krismas:
but you can believe the nonsense that all jews were driven away from Judaea by the romans?
then who were the romans ruling over in Palestine if they drove away everybody from the country? i like to hear ur answer.

Let's put it this way, you are trying to use your very limited sense to counter hundreds of years of recorded history.
Again you need to read Josephus records to understand what happened so you don't keep repeating what you don't know.

Krismas:
there are plenty pictures, and videos of combats btw americans and houthis. btw isis and syrian forces. btw forces at war in sudan. its only IDF that does not have combat footage with hamas they dont have pics or vids of hamas they have killed

Oya na use those pictures to show who has killed more. Start posting the photos of houthis killed by America. Let's start from there.
If you could post IDF killed. It shouldn't be hard to post houthis killed by America.

Krismas:
jews have stolen the identity of the judaeans in every single ancient texts. jews are not judaeans. they only have the judaic religion in common. nothing else afterwards.

Well you can keep saying nonsense without prove but I choose to believe the historians than a nobody Nairalander. If you have proper evidence to counter recorded history then we can talk. For now, you can't blame me for not believing a nobody who has nothing to show than his words.