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Krismas:
why did the west give Palestine to Israel? wot is Israel's business in Palestine to start with? why didnt Britain give London to the Jews? and as for 1947 partition, it was the Arabs who refused, not the Palestinians. as at 1947, Britain was still the colonizing power of Palestine. they left only in may of 1948

I can present you with comments from Amin al-Husayni the leader of the Palestinians in 1947.
Again, the west only shared the land between the 2 groups who lay claim to the land. They did not give it to Israel.

Krismas:
it was biden that restored all the funding trump stopped. not trump. and even bidden now, have stopped.
for two years trump stopped funding the Palestinian authority, did Palestine die?
since biden has stopped funding Palestinian authority is Palestine dead?
let America get away with all her funding. its freedom Palestine need, not handouts

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210407-us-restores-aid-to-palestinian-cut-by-trump

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Even after Trump cut funding, the tap did not completely dry out.

Krismas:
palestinians do not need anybodys funding by the way. they need freedom, to conduct trade, build relations with other nations, farm their lands, mine their mineral resources and be productive without the stupid interference of the zionist colonialist and with help of all her western backforce. wot is all this nonsense u are talking sef?

You see, the west is the only reason why the Palestinians are able to continue this nonsense. The Palestinians refuse to form a country in 1947 because they were deceived by their Arab brothers that they could defeat Israel and have the entire land to themselves.
If they have no need for funds as you claim. then why don't they refuse it. Why do they keep lobbying the west for more funds?
Again, it's wrong to put the blame completely on western colonialist. Because if there were no Arabs colonialists we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.

Krismas:
there was no Palestinian negotiation in 1947
in the two oslo accords, there was nothing like PALESTINIAN STATE inside the entire agreement. which Arafat signed anyways after Mubarak of Egypt bullied him to do so.
2020 trump peace plan? what was that? all i know was trump normalization of israel with saudi initiative.

So if I show you evidence of the Palestinians rejecting 2 state solution will you finally agree that they are the cause of the problem?
If that's all we can achieve today, that will be great.

Krismas:
nonsense talk. why not read?

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/in-one-move-trump-eliminated-us-funding-for-unrwa-and-the-us-role-as-mideast-peacemaker/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/25/donald-trump-cuts-more-than-200m-in-aid-to-palestinians

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47095082

Oga. If I show you evidence of the US funding the Palestinians in 2020 Trump's last year on office, would you finally agree with me that the Palestinians are pampered fools?

Krismas:
nonsense talk. why not read?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/25/donald-trump-cuts-more-than-200m-in-aid-to-palestinians
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47095082

Yes Trump cut funding yet the US remained the biggest source of fund to the Palestinians.
Trump did not completely stop the funding of the Palestinians.
He only cut funds that were used to fund the Palestine paid to slay missions.
Even under Trump, the US was still the biggest donor to your Palestinian terrorists.

Krismas:
why dont read ur post i quoted? u were saying boldly blindly that hamas uses civillian facilites as hideout. that was wot u said. now, u want to pretend to be diplomatic?
on the two occasion israel invited CNN to gaza for coverage what happened? if its truth u want. why dont u recall how israel was disgraced by western media wen it invited them to al shifa hospital claiming that there was hamas command center under the hospital?
also, wen israel invited foreign media to the cemetery where it claimed hamas tunnels were. why dont u go and read about wot western medias like CNN said on those occasions?

Oga, you are the one who said that Hamas hides in tunnels not in civilian area and I asked you for evidence of this.
It seems you forget very easily.
But then if you want evidence of Hamas in civilian area, I actually have some.
Marwan Issa was not killed in a tunnel. Hundreds of Hamas men captured were not taken from tunnels.
So really, what your point?

Krismas:
why dont u give me any evidence that Hamas use schools, churches, mosques, civilian neighborhoods, as hiding places?

That's my point, I don't speak without evidence. And I am not going to depend on the reports of Israel or Hamas if they are not presenting concrete evidence.
You should learn to do the same.
Look my brother, I am a firm supporter of Israel but I also support a Palestinian state. But then, it cannot be achieved via terrorism. The Palestinians must learn to deal. They lost the land through war and cannot recover it through war.
They have been given the opportunity severally to create a nation but they refused. We can't continue like this sir.

Krismas:
there is no war in history, that has been covered by independent media, as much as the war in gaza. its so cynical, u think i must be in gaza to know wot is happening in gaza! why will hamas hide in schools wen israel has no qualms about blowing up schools? how foolish do u think hamas is? israel has completely destroyed like four hospitals in gaza, burnt people alive on sick beds, cut power to babes in incubators and watch them rot to death, why would hamas hide in any hospital after all of that? it is categorically a lie that hamas hide in public places. their style of fighting doesnt require that. israel has broken into the banks in gaza, stole away all the money, even in peoples homes, they steal everything they find, and even cemetery in gaza, in the name of hamas tunnels, they bulldoze cemeteries, violate dead people, grind their dead cadavers with bulldozers and scatter them in the streets to feed cats and dogs of gaza. and none of their claims of hamas being in those places have ever been found correct. it was always lies.

I asked for just one evidence. Please is this your understanding of evidence?
Oga I repeat, can you present any evidence that no Hamas member has ever hidden in a hospital or residential area?
If you can't we will only continue to argue aimlessly.

Krismas:
maybe u did not listen to egypts address at the last UNSC meeting. u are a liar all the time. right now, egypt has joined south africas case of genocide against israel at the ICJ. and jordan has troops on the border with east of west bank. the both country has warned israel of the rash move of FORCEABLY DISPLACEMENT OF PALESTINIANS. Which is the goal of israel.
the ruling family of saudi, may soon be overthrown. and they are not even so important anymore. normalization will not harm the creation of palestine state. saudis plan to sell al aqsa mosque to israel has been foiled by fatah and hamas. its over.
america has stopped funding the palestinians, since trump said all negotiations with israel in peace talk must exclude jerusalem. so muhmud abass said, if jerusalem is off the table of negotiation, so too must america. and trump said he had been insulted.
lie all u want. isarael has never sought peace. PLO and FATAH did everything to please the useless zionist land thiefs. but all the useless zionist wanted was to enslave palestinians on their homesoil. thank god for hamas. thank god for the resistance. things are different now.

Oga you don't stop to amaze me with your lack of knowledge. Let me address just one of your falsehoods. You claim that America stopped funding the Palestinians since Trump.
But Washington is the largest donor ($343 million in 2022), followed by Germany and the European Union ($114 dollars in 2022
Do you see why I said you need to learn?
Most of Palestinian money is coming from the west. From white men.
That's the only reason why this war has no end.

Kavod:
I HEAR!!!!!!

Good

Krismas:
balderdash! israel is not out to kill hamas. they only want to kill Palestinians civillians.
cos if they want hamas, they know where hamas is hiding. inside tunnels in gaza. GO THERE AND MET THEM! abi is it not hamas u came for?
why are u bombing schools, hospitals, libraries, aid workers, press men and women? who are u fooling? if Hamas were to hole up somewhere in Tel Aviv in israel, maybe in one of the largest neighborhood in tel Aviv, u mean to tell me, the only approach IDF can dislodge hamas in tel aviv is to bomb the whole neighborhood, kill women, children and old people in tel aviv? wot a silly military tactics

I find it hard to respond to you because clearly you nor I know much about war and we have never been to Gaza.
Do you have any evidence to show that Hamas does not hide in schools, hospitals, and other residents areas.
If you do, present it and I will immediately stop supporting Israel because I don't support the killing of the innocent.

Krismas:
ruling family in saudi arabia is not the true representation of the citizenry of saudi arabia on hamas and the palestinian resistance. is same as thinking american feelings about hamas, is same as that of the american politicians. its not. saudi arabia leaders hate any group in the middle east that rufuse oppression and subjugation. their thrones feel threatened with the likes of hamas in the background, radicalizing their people. its saudi leaders nightmare. thats why they hate iran, hezbollah, houthi and hamas. the fear of losing their thrones. but even now, saudi is tieing the normalization of relations with israel to a palestinian state. cos its the popular demand right now among saudi citizens. then israel has made no SINGLE EFFORT at peace with the palestinians. no single effort. none wotsoever. u are a horrible liar

The government of Saudi Arabia wants peace and progress. It's the same with Jordan and Egypt. The Egyptians are not even comfortable taking in refugees from Gaza.
The truth remains that this war continues to rage because the west have spoiled the Palestinians. They are the most privileged refugees on earth with human development index better than most African countries thanks to money from the west. Yet many of you blame the white man or the west.
I also blame them but for a different reason. You don't achieve peace by pampering a terrorist nation.
The Palestinians have always refused to negotiate whenever a two state solution was presented to them. What really do these people want.
As for me, I want peace. I want a two state solution. But you really can't get there until you force the Palestinians to shun terrorism and to negotiate.
Again, you call me a liar because I said that Israel has had attempts for peace, no problem.
Now let's go through history.
1947. Israel agreed to a two state solution, it was your Palestinian terrorists that refused.
1993 Oslo accords, Israel agreed to a two state solution
1995 Oslo accords Israel gave the Palestinians autonomy over area A of the was bank and the entire Gaza.
2020 Trump's peace plan, again Israel agreed to this.
Please do some research before responding.

God1000:
Nonsense talk from a war criminal

Israel cannot control the rest of the world the way they control USA, it's impossible.

Every country is at liberty to make their own decisions, decisions they consider appreciate.

Let's see how Netanyahu's stubbornness will help Israel as the country continues to lose its traditional Allies in Europe and Africa.


Once again, shame on Arab countries for doing nothing to help Palestinians.


Lastly I want to urge president Tinubu to consider recognizing the state of Palestine

Oga, the Arab countries understand that the Palestine fight is a wrong one. All of them including Saudi Arabia want peace with Israel.
And let's face it, the Palestine greatest support is coming from the west especially that same US you all love to blame and criticize. Without the US, Palestinians would never have been given Gaza or the parts of the west bank they presently control.
It's easy to criticize Israel forgetting that Israel has made so many efforts at peace including giving up lands.

Kavod:
YOU CANT FORCE OTHERS TO SEE THINGS THE WAY YOU SEE IT. THIS PRIME MINISTER IS SIMPLY JUST DANCING TO THE TUNE OF HAMAS, WELL BOTH ARE TERRORISTS NATIONS ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ONE IS BACKED UP BY POWERFUL NATONS. THIS PM IS DULL SHA.. HE IS INDIRECTLY THREATENING THESE OTHER NATIONS FORGETTING THESE WHERE ONCE THE HANDS THAT FED YOU.

HE SHOULD HAVE FOCUSED ON THE TERRORISTS AND LEAVE THE INNOCENTS KIDS AND WOMEN ALONE.

THE DESTRUCTION IS TOO MUCH OOOOOOOOOOOOOO. PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH INFLATION BUT YOU ARE INSISTING THEY USE THEIR FUNDS TO SUPPORT MORE DESTRUCTION. THOSE COUNTRY EYES DON OPEN ISREAL IS NOT FIGHTING FOR EXISTENCE ITS ALL ABOUT FUNDS, RESOURCES AND CONTROL BUT THE KICKER NA SAY... ONLY US AND UK ARE REALLY BENEFITING FROM THE SPOILS OF DISPLACEMENT AND DESTRUCTION.

WHO YOU FEEL SAY GIVE IRAN THE FUNDS TO EMPOWER HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH? NA BIDEN.

You guys continue with this naive response.
I always ask your type to mention any other modern conflict that had zero civilian casualty.
Please explain how Israel can wipe out Hamas without any civilian dying.
Trust me, if a you had a way of fighting this war without civilian death, you will make billions of dollars as a war consultant.
There is a multi billion contract waiting for you out there so don't just waste your knowledge typing here on Nairaland, sell it to Israel, US, and other militaries that could learn from you.

She began very well, she had an opportunity to ask and extract answers but she did not have the emotional stability to see it through so she ended up looking uncoordinated.
The big problem here is that the federal government has never been on the side of the people of Niger delta. Not just the evil APC government but every other government.
Past administrations have perfected the act of bribing Niger delta politicians and militants but no one cares about the people.
Without the government on the people's side, activist can do very little.

Forkthiefnubu:
I don’t feel i know u dont but I have a busy day and advise u to read up more on the conflict dating back to the Oslo agreement

Typical Hamas argument. You guys always claim to have knowledge you don't.
Let me educate you a little about the Oslo accords.
Before the accords, the Palestinians governed nothing in the West Bank or Gaza. But after the accords, they had control of Area A of the west bank and the entire Gaza and gave nothing in return.
Israel is the only one interested in peace. All the average Palestine known is Death to Israel.
But then, it is well. Have a blessed day

Kushites:
Still very backward.

Where are pedestrians supposed to walk?

Inside the open gutter?

The resources are scarce so sometimes, the government needs to choose between making beautiful walkways or building more roads to serve the greater needs.

MrNipplesLover:
Be a pepper seller with class and make ur money...

The way an educated individual would handle pepper business will be different from the way all those mama dem dey do am...

What's more of importance to u?

The money... The profit...

I beg to disagree. If you go into the business with your certificate believing you are better that the rest, be prepared for the shock of your life.

ProjectsCityNG:
Tell us what you mean by unbefitting first

Are you asking, if one would rather be poor but wear a suit? I can bet, no one with accept poverty.

Forkthiefnubu:
Right now the tide is overwhelming against them and a wise man knows when to stand down

A wise man knows that the tide will pass.

Forkthiefnubu:
Isrealis like the rest of us cannot live in isolation, they have to come to the negotiating table after all said and done , the recognition shud tell them to read the handwriting on the wall , ceiling and on the floor

I feel you don't understand what's happening in that land. Up till last year, it was the Palestinians who refused a two state solution. The Palestinians had always had the opportunity to have an independent state but the refused it.
Israel will readily accept a two state solution as long as their peace and safety is guaranteed.
Note, it was only after October 07 that Israel suspended any plans for a two states solution.

Teophilus96:
Go and check the meaning of the word "Probably"

I know so many people that watched those movies growing up and not one ended up cutting people's heads.
You guys love to make things up.
Just the same way that we watched loads of war movies as kids and most of us did not end up in the army.
Let's get serious for once.

Teophilus96:
I don't even see most of these Nigerian movies. It's almost 15 years now, I only have seen 2 Nigerian movies (Blockbusters movie only). They mostly lower your IQ and in this case probably make you consider doing rituals. When you constantly feed your mind with things like that, they become your actions. And you won't know it.

You mean if I watch a lot of ritual movies, I will end up a ritualist without knowing?
This is clearly not true sir

Obakoolex:
Only a kid reason this way but if you're not Ahh...I pity your aburos

If your kid reasons like that, then your kid is much more smarter than you

Teophilus96:
Yes it does.

Remembered when I got into tiktok the first time, all I saw where videos of young boys performing rituals and displaying huge sum of money from the outcome. If I were not an adult I would have fallen for that and probably have my head whirling around rituals and may have even gone ahead and used someone for ritual. I deleted that same day.

Or is it the joke some adults make with Kanayo. O. Kanayo sacrifices which they think is funny.

Anyways, I pity this new generation.

Now your government now decides what you should watch. You guys are so happy to surrender power to corrupt men.

Utycar:
Bro do you think this modern day Israel cares about your Christianity or Christ that I believe you stand for, they don't some of them don't even believe in the Bible or God. So stop all this your support for these killer's

So you only support people who believe in your God and religion. Nothing you wrote makes sense.

donbenie:
Fur.xk you and your mad Netanyahu..
Dea.th to all gen.ocidal Zionists!

You must be watching a lot of Iranian tv. They shout death to Israel then go back to their houses.

pansophist:
Good move.

The West now have to accept that they do not represent the world, and no amount of propaganda will justify Israel's action in Palestine.

Nice speech but in reality, nothing has changed. Same old shit, just a different day.

Forkthiefnubu:
The insane leadership in isreal is putting the Jewish state at risk, the world is so disenchanted with them right now and they are relying on the backing of America and force of arms to stay , whatever sympathy they had from the world in the past is eroded , they are almost like the nazis themselves right now

You have a point, many people and nations are now against Israel but the truth is that the position of people and nations are like the tides of the sea. They don't always favor you.

Forkthiefnubu:
Ignorance at its best , congratulations to the Palestinians and to freedom seekers in the world including we Biafrans

So after they become recognized by those countries, how does that bring peace to the land?
What does that even change?

Friend22:
@tctrills ,hope you can see how your hypocrisy is being exposed.

God is watching.
I guess the Palestinians bribed France too.

My hypocrisy is exposed because France does not support Israel? You are not making any point oga. So to you, whichever side France supports most be the right side?
I am really yet to understand your point.