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Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 5:04pm On Dec 28, 2022
Truvelisback:
U are wrong. Suffering was never in God's plan for Mankind. It was Sin that brought all these suffering.
I agree that Adam's actions brought about suffering but it was always in God's plan.
If not, why would the bible call Jesus Christ 'the lamb of God that was slain before the foundations of the earth.
God knew 100% that man would sin and he provided a path for us to return to him.
He taught, blessed is him that overcome. What were we to overcome in the garden of Eden.
Think about it, even before the earth was created Jesus Christ was choose to die for sin.

Let me ask you, what is the plan of God for mankind?
Can we achieve his plan without suffering and temptation? Capital NO
Even Jesus Christ became perfect from the things he suffered.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 4:58pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Expelling Adam was a responsibility on how to live
Punishing him with the penalty of death was a responsibility
He was to toil and sweat and to reap thorns and thistles was a responsibility
Eve INCREASED pain during childbirth was a responsibility
Retuning back to dust at death was a responsibility

Your brain needs testing by a blacksmith
What are you talking about. How come you have not moved on.
Now let me teach you.
When Adam ate the fruit, he had to live the garden. Expelling him was only for the good of man. Hence God gave him commandments are directions for life outside the garden.
1. He had to work had to provide food.
2. His wife was child birth and child care.

Again, death is not even a punishment. Did Jesus Christ not die.
Death is not a punishment because all men would resurrect. In the words of Jesus Christ, it's merely a sleep.
Death and resurrection comes with incredible blessings.
Listen to the words of Christ.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Death was not a punishment. Yes it came as a result of eating the fruit but it is part of God's plan for man.
Let me know 8f you understand now.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 4:41pm On Dec 28, 2022
Truvelisback:
How? Explain.
Good question.
So many Christians view suffering as a bad thing but it is only part of God's plan.
That's why we are taught to Count it all joy, when we meet trials of various kinds.

Infact the bible teaches that Jesus was made perfect through what he suffered.

So our trials and tribulations and not punishment for a curse rather, they are to help us grow and become perfect.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 4:32pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Ok
Rock ya boat
grin grin grin grin grin grin angry angry grin grin grin grin grin
I love meeting people like you. Your type seems to be very common in Nairaland.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 4:30pm On Dec 28, 2022
Truvelisback:
U don't know what u are saying.
I actually do. Please read your bible
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Still Evolving? by tctrills: 4:30pm On Dec 28, 2022
jaephoenix:
I'm not interested in what the Bible has to say about creation, or any topic, for that matter. Why? It contains debatable issues, condones misogyny, slaving, incest etc. Plus it lies and an unscientific . Worse still, its not backed by any shred of historical or archaeological data. So its not reliable.
Ok your opinion
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:33pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Jehovah cursed the ground
Expelled him from the garden
Told him he will return to dust (his former state of non-existence)
You say na responsibility
Loool, I just know your type. You couldn't help but reply. Didn't you say you were moving on? All it took was 5 mins and you are back here.
Loóooooooooooool
Funny boy.
See I am not like others who would begin in exchange insults. My job is to teach you and allow you decide to follow the truth or not.

Now to your comments, you are right, the Ground was cursed not the man.

And yes he left the garden just the same way Jesus left heaven.

And he died just the same way Jesus died.

Adam was never cursed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:22pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Your stupid comments have been read and ignored
Let's move on
Loool
It's so Funny. You are the one that came to this thread no one forced you.
You got schooled and now you are out.
Now let's allow others to learn. I have taught you but you love darkness more than light.
Now move on.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:12pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Mumu
So God cursed the poor?
We're suffering cos of inherited imperfections and the bad actions from ourselves and fellow human mistakes
Read and understand, God was basically dividing labour amoung the man and woman. The man's responsibility was to provide bread while the woman was in charge of the kids.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:08pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Mumu
So God cursed the poor?
We're suffering cos of inherited imperfections and the bad actions from ourselves and fellow human mistakes
Suffering is not a bad thing. God allowed Jesus Christ to suffer. He allowed the devil to suffer job.
He taught that:
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds,

It's clear that you are yet to figure out God's plan.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:05pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Mumu
So God cursed the poor?
We're suffering cos of inherited imperfections and the bad actions from ourselves and fellow human mistakes
Yes if you parents are poor, you would most likely suffer poverty, it does not mean God cursed you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:03pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Mumu
So God cursed the poor?
We're suffering cos of inherited imperfections and the bad actions from ourselves and fellow human mistakes
I advise that you begin to see God's words to Adam and Eve not as a curse rather, as instructions and commandments for life outside the garden.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:02pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Mumu
So God cursed the poor?
We're suffering cos of inherited imperfections and the bad actions from ourselves and fellow human mistakes
Are you drunk, I just told you that no one was cursed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 3:00pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
How does this correlate with sweat and 0.001%
You are not making any SENSE
Now you lack understanding. I spoke about the 0.001% to explain to you that it was not a curse. It would be evil for God to curse the poor and immune the children of billionaires. So completely wipe the curse thing from your head.
I advise that you begin to see God's words to Adam and Eve not as a curse rather, as instructions and commandments for life outside the garden.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 2:51pm On Dec 28, 2022
Truvelisback:
God didn't curse man be man was made in His own image after His likeness, rather He cursed the earth for man's sake. Although, it is a punishment too.
I am not sure it was even a punishment. It was done for our good.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 2:50pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
And what exactly is your Truth?
God desires us to suffer?
What are you taking about? God never cursed man. Not Adam nor any other man.

Instructing man to work is not a curse. Even God himself works.
And about suffering your bible said, 8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered.
Please read to discover what the bible teaches about trials, tribulations and suffering
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 2:40pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
How relevant is 0.001%
You have big problem indeed
Multiply 0.001% by 8 billion to know. Let's me do it for you, the answer is 80,000. So about 80,000 people according to you are imuned from God's curse.
Again even if just 1 person is spared from the so called curse, it shows that you are wrong.
Or did God indicte that the curse is not for the children of the super rich/? Does money outweigh God's curse?
I know you are starting to see how wrong you were.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 2:37pm On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Like Dtruthspeaker clearly said, either you're mad or you're a preteen
Looooooooooooooooooooool
Dtruthspeaker's disciple. Nigerians are the only people to insult you when faced with the truth.
Music/Radio › Re: Who Is The Best Nigerian Musical Artist Talentwise? by tctrills: 1:37pm On Dec 28, 2022
kanupapilo:
Who do you think is the best Nigerian musical artist talentwise?

I am not talking of commercial success the likes of Davido,Rema and Burnaboy have enjoyed. I am talking about raw and natural musical talent that hardly misses with the tracks they release.

My top 5 in order of talent and who create consistently good songs:

1) Fireboy DML
2) Wizkid
3) Reekado Banks
4) Idabanton
5)Omah Lay
How do you define talent and how do you separate talent form success. Can a musician who has no talent become successful?
It's just like saying a footballer with no talents is the highest paid. Your post makes no sense.
Romance › Re: Man Divorce His Wife Of 77years Because She Cheated 60years Ago (pics/video) by tctrills: 1:34pm On Dec 28, 2022
Lolachef:
Lol....On you or who?

Must everybody be in a relationship?
No you shouldn't be in one
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Still Evolving? by tctrills: 1:33pm On Dec 28, 2022
jaephoenix:
I posted links from scientists explaining how we came from the Great Ape. Where did it state we didn't come from apes?
The bible
Romance › Re: Man Divorce His Wife Of 77years Because She Cheated 60years Ago (pics/video) by tctrills: 12:12pm On Dec 28, 2022
Lolachef:
Nonsense man.
Keep cheating, one day, you too would be found out.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 12:09pm On Dec 28, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Your madness is not allowing you see that she is already sorrowing because of failure of conception.
Lol calm down. You must not be angry person.
Oga the so called curse was very clear. It states that a woman would sorrow at conception not that a woman will sorrow because she can't conceive.
We both agree that women would prefer to have kids but the bible in Genesis chapter 3 was talking about the sorrow at conception and not the opposite.
Please read your bible.
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 11:39am On Dec 28, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Now you prove you are mad.

Everyone except you know that barrenness is lack of conception of conception but obviously you are not normal enough to know that.
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Still Evolving? by tctrills: 11:37am On Dec 28, 2022
jaephoenix:
There's not much difference between apes and us. They're our distant cousins in the Great Ape family
But we did not come from apes so they can't be our cousins.
Unless you mean cousin in the sense that we share similarities.
One could even argue that there are very little differences between all marmals in general.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 11:36am On Dec 28, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Now you prove you are mad.

Everyone except you know that barrenness is lack of conception of conception but obviously you are not normal enough to know that.
Keep exposing your prostitute mother to the world.
Since you know that barrenness is the lack of conception, it's funny that a woman who lacks conception cannot have sorrow in conception. It's an impossibility. She can only have sorrow in her barrenness.
You can't have sorrow in what you don't experience.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 11:32am On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Yusuf Buhari is in his comfort zone
Let him leave there and be a man of his own

Yet, the guy works and needs to work in order to continue leaving. After his father hands over or dies, he will know that he needs to work

Why do you find exceptions sef?
Mankind is general know it is not easy to put food on the table. Simple as ABC

We know that science are trying to lessen pain during childbirth
But the pains do not always begin at childbirth. It begins before that. Serena williams almost died while giving birth. Many have died and some have had complications that they may not have children again
Whatever the case, childbirth is not a pleasurable period for a woman
One more thing, I agree with you, that 99.999% of all men need to sweat and work hard to survive. But there is an 0.001% that is exception to the rule. They are mostly called trustfund children.
A good number of the royal family in Saudi Arabia gives us a wonderful example.
The Rothschild family, The royal house of England, and many others do not need to work to survive.
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Still Evolving? by tctrills: 10:55am On Dec 28, 2022
jaephoenix:
Yes , science believe we're apes.
Look at the taxonomy of humans in the screenshot
So your point?
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 10:46am On Dec 28, 2022
[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=119487583]Now I know that you are a teenager. There is a reason why adults keep teenagers and children away. It is because you people are too stupid.
Oga, were you born in a prostitute house? Your rudeness make us imagine the kind of evil woman that gave birth to you. The more we correct you, the more mannerless you become.


"I am not sure you really understand. Sorrow in conception had nothing to do with barrenness."
Which school did you attend. You need a refund of your fees. A barren woman can never have sorrow in conception.

Who has not seen that a barren woman is unhappy and full of sorrow?
A barren woman can have sorrow in barrenness but never sorrow in conception. I know you are trying to win an argument but please be honest with yourself.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 10:41am On Dec 28, 2022
Aemmyjah:
They were in pleasant situations
It was the Man, Adam that God cursed and not him and his children. Yet, we cannot escape sin, imperfections and death

How old are you?
How and why will God create a woman to be barren?
Go and start to read the Bible
I am happy you are changing your opinion. So Adam was the only one cursed to bring forth fruit from his sweat ? And Eve was the only woman cursed in childbirth? You new stands is more funny than your formal position.
If his children were not cursed then they would not suffer the same consequences as the cursed person.
You ask a very funny question. God has created blind people. He has created deaf and dumb but you think it's impossible for him to create a barren woman? Are you for real?
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 10:36am On Dec 28, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
See it another person has called you mad
Yes, you are not the only one with poor home training.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Really Curse Man In Genesis Chapter 3? by tctrills(op): 10:35am On Dec 28, 2022
NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said,
“Because you listened to your wife is
and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.


Genesis 4:9-12
9And the LORD said to Cain,
“Where is your brother Abel?”
“I do not know!” he answered.
“Am I my brother’s keeper?”
10 “What have you done?” replied the LORD.
“The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.
11Now you (i.e. Cain) are cursed and banished from the ground,
which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand.
12 When [whenever] you till the ground, it will no longer yield its produce to you.
You will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth.”


It's as clear as crystal in Genesis 3:17, that, Adam was never told that he is cursed, though it is his disobedience and especially the deviant act, he committed that caused the ground to become cursed, meaning, the ground turned wild and rogue and so would no longer be at the beck and call of man nor yield easily for him

Now if, Genesis 4:11, is examined, it is as clear as crystal, that Cain, is told, that he is cursed et cetera

So answering your question, man was never cursed in Genesis 3.

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
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