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jaephoenix:
Lol.
I'm an atheist, and obviously don't use religion. What is the religion supposed to do for me?
Putting it succinctly, what are you gaining in religion that I'm not, apart from you losing money to your pastor every week?

Well billions use and depend on it.

Truvelisback:
U have just Contradicted urself for saying Go did not want them to eat from the Tree of Life. God gave man "Freewill"(the freedom or power to make decision or choice) but chose to disobey God. God didn't prevent, they only chose to disobey God otherwise, God wouldn't have put the Tree of life there. The fruits in the garden Symbolizes "Life and Death" Note: They were held accountable for their actions, otherwise, they wouldn't have been punished. It was their fall that brought abt Christ to redeem mankind.

I am not sure you clearly explained how I contradicted myself. Please explain better.
The bible states that after they ate from the tree of knowledge of Good and evil, God placed Cherubims to prevent them from eating from the tree of life.

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Again, you have not answered my question,
Would you have preferred the live of Adam in Eden or the life Jesus promised to the faithful?

Truvelisback:
There was nnthing like death in Begining. If they had eaten from the tree of life, Adam and Eve would have lived forever.

God prevented them from eating from the tree of life because he wanted them to pass through this life.
He did not want them to reverse the effect of the fruit they ate. This life is his plan for us.
God wants to give us much more than a garden and life forever. The plan was not for us to be naked forever. Even in heaven the angels are clothed.
Adam and Eve in the garden was only the beginning. That was not meant to be the final state of his children.

jaephoenix:
What is the place of religions? What is its import to the society?

Religion has a place in our hearts and minds.

Leiylau:
Amen I lack peace because you are slaves of every whiteman . But may you find wisdom because you are a fool

My dear babe, I really and truly hope you are a lesbian because for your sake and the sake of the world, I pity the man that ends up with you.

Leiylau:
Amen I lack peace because you are slaves of every whiteman . But may you find wisdom because you are a fool

Loooool. See depression. Ndo.

Olambees:
Ok, let me first of all present five proof from the Bible.,...

1. Do you know that before the accused crucifixion of Christ, Jesus went to a place called Gethsemane....After Jesus discovered the plan of the Jewish priests to have him crucified on the cross like a criminal, he immediately went off to a private location to pray. He chose the Garden of Gethsemane and prayed to God to foil the plans of the enemies (Matthew 26:36-46). He was greatly “distressed and troubled”; he sought solitude, and prayed for hours, falling on his face as one would do in Islam (prostration). He prayed that God removes this “cup” from him (Matthew 20:22), i.e. remove that part of his destiny of which God was in control. Jesus wasn’t concerned over his own life, but feared the plan of the Jewish priests; the public execution. If such a plan went ahead, it would have brought the Divine mission of Jesus to an end – his disciples and all those who believed him to be the Messiah would abandon such belief, and it would have meant that Jesus died an “accursed death”. (Deuteronomy 21:22).....Does the above sound like a man whose sole purpose of coming to the earth was to die on the cross? In fact, the Promised Messiah goes on to explain the incompatibility of the above event and the Christian doctrine of atonement. I will explain further in my concluding part that his prayer at Gethsemane was answered because if Jesus Christ would have cried bitterly and pray for something and God didn't answered him, then who are we to pray to God for help thinking it will be accepted....

2. Jesus was arrested, tried and then condemned to die on the cross. He was taken to Golgotha where he was then offered wine to dull the pain (Mark 15:22-27), but he refused since he still held hope that his prayers would be answered and that he would not die on the cross; an accursed death. As the hours dragged on, Jesus felt himself slipping into unconsciousness, fearing that God may have abandoned him, he cries out: “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach-thani?” meaning, “My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34) he knew God would heed the call and prayer of His Prophet and Messiah, yet he could feel his strength wavering and perhaps saw no other opportunity of surviving the ordeal, he cried out to God, “Why have You forsaken me?”

3. On the Sabbath, which would begin at dusk on Friday (i.e. Preparation day) was approaching, and therefore the criminals on the cross had to be taken down and killed immediately according to Jewish law. The two thieves on either side of Jesus were executed, but the soldiers saw that Jesus was unconscious and thought him already dead, but to ensure that he was not faking it, they pierced his side with a spear, resulting in a sudden flow of blood and water (John 19:31-34), a sure sign that his heart was still pumping and that he was alive. The eyewitness was doubtless surprised to see so much blood pouring out from a supposedly dead body through a minor scratch wound, and aptly expressed his surprise.

4. Since the Roman soldiers saw no movement and thought him dead, they reported it to their superiors, and so Jesus was given over to his disciples, namely Joseph of Arimithea and Nicodemus, who then applied 100 pounds of myrrh and aloe on his body (John 19:38-42). The two herbs are significant and very important as they show further proof that the disciples knew that Jesusas was still alive, since both herbs have healing properties and were used as medicine in the ancient world.

For you to know Aloe Vera is very powerful healing herbs, you can Google search it.... Aloe is a genus containing about 500 species, the most common one being Aloe Vera and grows in Africa and the Middle East. It is very valuable, so much so that the great thinker “Aristotle, being aware that the healing properties of Aloe would be invaluable to soldiers wounded in battle, advised his student Alexander III (‘the Great’) to conquer all lands that grew it, especially the island of Socotra off the coast of Eastern Africa […] Pedanius Dioscorides, a physician in the Roman army, mentioned medicinal Aloes in his encyclopaedic Greek herbal De Materia Medica (Approximately around 75 BC)”

This was certainly not the Jewish burial practise; simple oils were applied to the body for cleaning purposes, but not expensive medicines. This was for the purpose of healing Jesus’ wounds and stop the bleeding. And so the two disciples who took away Jesus’ body knew that he was still alive and had planned his rescue, they brought along with them huge amounts of herbs and medicines to wrap Jesus’ body, and to stop the excessive bleeding. and I can tell you, a dead body can never bleed

5. Finally, after recovering somewhat from his wounds and being able to walk, Jesus appears to his disciples. Some of them weren’t in on the plan and did not know he survived, they thought him to be a ghost! (Luke 24:39). But Jesus quickly removed their doubt and showed him his wounds and told them that it was him in the “flesh”. He was hungry as well and asked for some food and then ate in front of them.
What could this mean? Is this Jesusas raised from the dead? With the same wounds and hungry? Doesn’t the above sound like the same Jesusas who taught his disciples? He is naturally comforting them.

Remember I said Jesus was saved,.... Read through the book of Hebrews (Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

From this verse one can say the prayer was answered.

Jesus never died....... If you want another proof aside these, I'm here to give you more than 20 proof he did not die and he was alive.

I am not sure you know the meaning of proof.
All you have expressed are your strange opinions. Do yourself a favor are find out the meaning of proof.

Truvelisback:
Those things God said man will suffer, are we not suffering it? Are pregnant women not bearing their children in pains? Some women even die in the process? Did the Death of Jesus stop that? Now, i want u to understand that Satan was behind the fall of man. Don't underestimate the power or works of Satan. Satan can't stop God's Plan but He can Alter it. I.e try to make it change somehow. That was why God brought Jesus as alternative to redeem man. The Death of Jesus didn't stop women from bear their children in pain neither did it prevent women from dying tru Childbearing. It didn't stop man from suffering either.

Here is a question for you.
Which of these plans do you prefer?
1. Live in a garden for all eternity tending to plants and animals. No illness or death and enough food to eat.
2. Living in God's presence. You have a throne. You are a king with your own dominion. You are a co-heir with Jesus Christ.
God like every good parent wanted the best for his children.
Man needed to overcome death, sin, trials and temptations to qualify for the second choice.
Do you understand my point now?

SilverOrLead:
You can't .

100k at stake.

I am waiting.

You guy talk as if restructuring is our problem.
Don't let politicians fool you with meaningless words and promises.
We need good governance not restructuring.

Leiylau:
Go away loser.

May you find peace.

jaephoenix:
Exactly. Religion isn't science. I didn't say its a branch of science.
My point is science depends on verifiable and reproducible facts, which is the opposite of religion. So they are parallel.
Though science is still not certain how we came here, it has established how we evolved through species.
Religion doesn't require proof by it's members or practitioners to believe

Yes religion does not require proof Science does. Both have their place.

Leiylau:
You castrated bonobo using reverse psychology meant for apes on me. Have you no dignity in you ?
" You actually telling me men raping women do that out of love "
When We have bi-rapists who rapes 10 females and a male in a particular year because women are weaker sex .

Why will they love the opposite sex more in a spiritual stuffs like that ? Don't you mon*eys have brains in ur skulls , Didn't your Jesus tell you to love your neighbours ,you sheeples love your neighbours and your pastors love only the females leaving the males don't you think something is fishy right here . You should have ur brain examine for saying I'm confused at the first place.

Another frustrated female. Only a fool would argue with a depress, hatful woman. May you find peace.

MaxInDHouse:
You are right but then what do you have to say about someone who singled out one religion out of over 41,000 others for questioning over their doctrines but refused to mention his own?

https://www.nairaland.com/7489697/jehovah-witnesses-false-doctrines-fake

You and i know that there are tens of thousands of different religious sects claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so do you think it's wrong to ask such a person to mention his own religion too?

You have a point.

Dtruthspeaker:
Exactly how Satan quoted the scriptures word for word, yet it was evil.

Funny man

Dtruthspeaker:
After your lying, now you have returned to your madness and twistedness and blindness and speaking stupidly when you have nothing to say.

Lol
Oga I qouted you word for word. I guess you don't believe that you could have uttered such falsehood.
This is what happens when you try to win an argument at all cost, you begin to blasphem.

Truvelisback:
Those things God said man will suffer, are we not suffering it? Are pregnant women not bearing their children in pains? Some women even die in the process? Did the Death of Jesus stop that? Now, i want u to understand that Satan was behind the fall of man. Don't underestimate the power or works of Satan. Satan can't stop God's Plan but He can Alter it. I.e try to make it change somehow. That was why God brought Jesus as alternative to redeem man. The Death of Jesus didn't stop women from bear their children in pain neither did it prevent women from dying tru Childbearing. It didn't stop man from suffering either.

Suffering is part of Earth's purpose. The death of Jesus Christ was not to stop everyday issues.
Even Christ suffered and felt pain.

You can say Satan was behind the fall of man just as Satan was behind the death of Jesus Christ but we know the plan of God in those 2 instances.

Truvelisback:
We are still saying the same thing. It was a punishment. That was why Jesus Christ came to the world to Redeem man. God's original purpose was that man should live happily, enjoy themselve and live forever on earth. There was nothing like sorrow and hardship then.

To prevent argument you call it a punishment no problem but clearly God's original plan could never have been for man to live forever.
Remember Jesus Christ was the lamb slain before the foundations of the world.
God was not naive, he knew that man would disobey. So that could never have been his original plan.
If Jesus Christ was chosen before the foundations of the world then man living in Eden forever could not be his original plan.

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't mentioned the name of your own religion and what exactly your religion practice!

This should be a forum for general discuss. You don't need to declare your religion here. I am not sure that is one of the rules.

jaephoenix:
Lemme break it down.
All branches of science ignore the input of the Bible. Examples…
Anthropology. It doesn't believe we were created from dust by a Supreme being. It accepts we evolved from other species.
Biology. It believes man is evolving from a different specie, and is still evolving(thus my topic)
Paleontology is studying the prehistoric life that existed prior to, and sometimes including, the start of the Holocene epoch. It includes the study of fossils to classify organisms and study their interactions with each other and their environments.
Etc etc
None of them is chasing after the Bible stories to study how he came about. None of them is going to check where the garden of Eden was. And definitely none of them would insert the Bible stories (or any religious stories) into the origin of man. Why? They have all been found to be lies and don't add up. The great flood don't add up. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah has no historical backup. Some of the stories have been found to be lies.
I can go on, but unless this is a new thread, I'll have to stop

Religion does not fit into any branch of science that should not be too complicated to accept or understand. We should not be teaching science and religion. That's not a problem.

Truvelisback:
So, the Curse God pronounce on them was a Blessing?

No, but it led to many blessings
1. The coming of Jesus Christ
2. Overcoming death
3. The Ability to overcome sin
Now when we return to God, we would not return as Adam but rather we would be like Him.
We would be kings and priests. If man remained in the garden, he could never have become like God.
Do you remember one of God's pronouncement was that the seed of the woman would bruise the serpent's head? How is that not a blessing.

Leiylau:
A mentor here Sisterfire after universal codes , Marine business( You Africans know) and spiritism once said In quote

" Male Pastors, Fathers and preachers prefer carrying out exorcism on a demon possessed female rather than males .

When I was 12 a pastor refused to cast out a possessed boy with 10,000 demons but chooses me with lesser demons for his exorcism " The Pastors and clergies has a agreement all over the world to let demons in males be and let the demons in females run Helter skelter

My question is " whY is this so In Africa presently and outside centuries back ?
Again is this stereotyped hate on females not understood perfectly or wo is it?
Are they telling us the females are just the demonic ones and the males aren't .
Why will they allow a possessed male go Scott free and the female tortured .


Merry Xmas folks I remain your girl lei-lau g-yen

You seem confused. You claim that pastors prefer casting demons in females that in males yet you call it female hate.
If they prefer casting out demons in females, then it means they love females more than males.

Truvelisback:
If it is what u mean, then, God shouldn't have punished Adam and Eve for what they did. What do u think?

I just told you that it was not a punishment.
So God's plan is that we overcome all things. His greatest blessings are reserved for those who overcome as taught in the book of Revelations.
So what are the things man needs to overcome?
If we where in Eden, would we have overcome these things?

jaephoenix:
Its not my opinion but facts. That is why scientists ignore the bible or other Holy books.
If you're so obliged I can drop the verses here. Or better still, open a thread about it so more theists can critique it.

No scientist do not need toix science with religion. Saying scientist ignore the bible is just like saying economist ignore the bible. The bible is neither a science or economic textbook. Each has its place.

Truvelisback:
Which portion of the Bible?

Revelations 13.8
1 Peter 1, 19-20

[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=119502333]Now you resort to lying.

Oga, your own words,
Greatly multiplied sorrow of every and any kind (we see this on their faces which is why when we want to kill them we say "frustrated woman".
Your mother, sisters, wife and all the women in your life, do they live sorrowful and miserable lives?
You said God gave women every and all kinds of sorrow. Do you know what this means.
It means that there is no joy in the lives of every woman you know.
God did not take away joy from women. You are a false teacher.
If you have daughters, is there lives ful of sorrow.
You lie against God just for an argument. What kind of human being does that?

Aemmyjah:
Which Bible?
It is in your Bible
Besides, you did not teach me anything

Loool
You have your freewill to choose not to learn.

Truvelisback:
God gave man Freewill. The sin Adam and Eve comitted was a Willful sin. They chose to disobey God. If Adam and Eve had not sinned or disobeyed God by eating the Forbidden fruit, there wouldn't have been any need fo Jesusr Christ to come on earth to die for the sins of men.

I agree but can you tell why the bible called Jesus Christ the lamb that was slain before the foundations of the world?
Again, we all willfully disorder God once in a while so Adam was not better than any of us. Why do you expect more from him.

Dtruthspeaker:
As I said your madness makes you blind!

Boss do you realize what you are doing to yourself.
I am sure if someone asked you 2 days ago, you wouldn't have called women miserable and unhappy but just for the sake of an argument, you teach what you know to be false

Aemmyjah:
Wow
You are the most intelligent Bible scholar of a!l time
You even sabi Bible pass Jesus Christ
All hail tctrills

You even have a sense of humor nice. Love you bro. But before you begin to worship me, just know that everything I taught you is in the bible. Greater teachers have already taught it.

[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=119499549]That is the wrong interpretation because you narrowed it whereas, God made it wide.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;

2 Curses are here to wit-

1) Greatly multiplied sorrow of every and any kind (we see this on their faces which is why when we want to kill them we say "frustrated woman".
Because you like calling women frustrated is no evidence that they have more sorrows than you.
Come oh are you really saying that God cursed all women to have a miserable and sad life. Is that the doctrine you teach?
Are you saying that the women in your life are sorrowing and miserable? I know lots of happy women. It seems you are meeting all the wrong women.


2) greatly multiplied sorrow in conception, which is either before conception or during conception or after conception (which is why even after a woman gets pregnant, she still has more sorrows and troubles)
As usual, you are wrong. There is nothing to show that women have more or less sorrow than men.
God was only talking about child bearing. Outside childbearing, women have less troubles than men. That is why men die younger.

And this is before the No 3 Curse "in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children" which we call labour and we have seen some women being in labour for up to 2 weeks.
I asked you, what about barren women.