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Ibomrep:
Did Jesus get involved in politics?

No. Jesus did not get involved in the politics of the world.

Jesus did not seek political power. He refused to accept control of human governments when Satan the Devil offered him “all the kingdoms of the world.” (Matthew 4:8-10) a On another occasion, people who recognized Jesus’ leadership qualities tried to push him into politics. The Bible reports: “Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again to the mountain all alone.” (John 6:15) Jesus did not yield to the will of the people. Instead, he refused to get politically involved.

Jesus did not take sides on political issues. For example, in Jesus’ day the Jews resented paying taxes to the Roman government and viewed these as an unjust burden. When they tried to get Jesus to take sides on the issue, he did not get into a political debate about whether such taxes were just. He told them: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” (Mark 12:13-17) He remained neutral on the political issue but showed that the taxes demanded by the Roman civil authority, which represented Caesar, should be paid. At the same time, he showed that obedience to secular authority was limited. A person was not to give the State what was due to God, including devotion and worship.—Matthew 4:10; 22:37, 38.

Jesus promoted a heavenly government, God’s Kingdom. (Luke 4:43) He did not get involved in politics because he knew that God’s Kingdom, not human governments, would achieve what God wants for the earth. (Matthew 6:10) He understood that God’s Kingdom would not operate through human governments but would replace them.—Daniel 2:44.

Did first-century Christians get involved in politics?

No. Jesus’ followers obeyed his command to be “no part of the world.” (John 15:19) They followed his example and remained separate from the world’s politics. (John 17:16; 18:36) Rather than get involved in political matters, they did the work Jesus commanded—preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 10:42.

First-century Christians put obedience to God first in their lives, but they also knew that they had to respect secular authorities. (Acts 5:29; 1 Peter 2:13, 17) They obeyed the laws and paid taxes. (Romans 13:1, 7) While they did not get involved in politics, they did make use of legal protections and services that governments provided.—Acts 25:10, 11; Philippians 1:7.

Early Christians and politics—what secular history reports

“Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . They would not hold political office.”—On the Road to Civilization—A World History, page 238.

“There is not a shred of evidence which would allow us to think that Jesus had military/political ambitions, and . . . the same applies to the disciples.”—Jesus and Judaism, page 231.

“To a Christian his religion was something apart from and superior to political society; his highest allegiance belonged not to Caesar but to Christ.”—Caesar and Christ, page 647.

“[The apostle] Paul was willing to use his Roman citizenship to demand the protections of the judicial process due him, but he engaged in no lobbying on the public policy issues of the day. . . . Though they believed they were obligated to honor the governing authorities, the early Christians did not believe in participating in political affairs.”—Beyond Good Intentions—A Biblical View of Politics, pages 122-123.

“There was a conviction widely held among Christians that none of their number should hold office under the state . . . As late as the beginning of the third century Hippolytus said that historic Christian custom required a civic magistrate to resign his office as a condition of joining the Church.”—A History of Christianity, Volume I, page 253.

Christian neutrality today

The Bible clearly shows that neither Jesus nor his early followers got involved in politics. For this reason, as Christians, Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world remain completely neutral. Like first-century Christians, they do the work that Jesus commanded—they preach “this good news of the Kingdom.”—Matthew 24:14.

Again, If you had said that you would be politically neutral because the bible had no account of Jesus or his followers involved in politics, I would perfectly understand that and respect your opinion. But when you claim that Jesus taught that we should be politically neutral, that's an obvious lie and I would point you out.

Stop lying against Christ. You are breaking your own rules.

Janosky:
I'm just making a point as I draw attention to your claim of "respectful".
My question is:
When the same OP you commend says you are "brainwashed" with "blind Faith" (the same words he used to reference JWs) & use such words to reference you,is the OP respectful?

Baba the guy was very respectful. You have your freedom of speech to call me any name but it takes nothing away. The gentleman showed a lot of respect in his story telling.

Ibomrep:
Did Jesus get involved in politics?

No. Jesus did not get involved in the politics of the world.

Jesus did not seek political power. He refused to accept control of human governments when Satan the Devil offered him “all the kingdoms of the world.” (Matthew 4:8-10) a On another occasion, people who recognized Jesus’ leadership qualities tried to push him into politics. The Bible reports: “Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again to the mountain all alone.” (John 6:15) Jesus did not yield to the will of the people. Instead, he refused to get politically involved.

Jesus did not take sides on political issues. For example, in Jesus’ day the Jews resented paying taxes to the Roman government and viewed these as an unjust burden. When they tried to get Jesus to take sides on the issue, he did not get into a political debate about whether such taxes were just. He told them: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” (Mark 12:13-17) He remained neutral on the political issue but showed that the taxes demanded by the Roman civil authority, which represented Caesar, should be paid. At the same time, he showed that obedience to secular authority was limited. A person was not to give the State what was due to God, including devotion and worship.—Matthew 4:10; 22:37, 38.

Jesus promoted a heavenly government, God’s Kingdom. (Luke 4:43) He did not get involved in politics because he knew that God’s Kingdom, not human governments, would achieve what God wants for the earth. (Matthew 6:10) He understood that God’s Kingdom would not operate through human governments but would replace them.—Daniel 2:44.

Did first-century Christians get involved in politics?

No. Jesus’ followers obeyed his command to be “no part of the world.” (John 15:19) They followed his example and remained separate from the world’s politics. (John 17:16; 18:36) Rather than get involved in political matters, they did the work Jesus commanded—preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 10:42.

First-century Christians put obedience to God first in their lives, but they also knew that they had to respect secular authorities. (Acts 5:29; 1 Peter 2:13, 17) They obeyed the laws and paid taxes. (Romans 13:1, 7) While they did not get involved in politics, they did make use of legal protections and services that governments provided.—Acts 25:10, 11; Philippians 1:7.

Early Christians and politics—what secular history reports

“Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . They would not hold political office.”—On the Road to Civilization—A World History, page 238.

“There is not a shred of evidence which would allow us to think that Jesus had military/political ambitions, and . . . the same applies to the disciples.”—Jesus and Judaism, page 231.

“To a Christian his religion was something apart from and superior to political society; his highest allegiance belonged not to Caesar but to Christ.”—Caesar and Christ, page 647.

“[The apostle] Paul was willing to use his Roman citizenship to demand the protections of the judicial process due him, but he engaged in no lobbying on the public policy issues of the day. . . . Though they believed they were obligated to honor the governing authorities, the early Christians did not believe in participating in political affairs.”—Beyond Good Intentions—A Biblical View of Politics, pages 122-123.

“There was a conviction widely held among Christians that none of their number should hold office under the state . . . As late as the beginning of the third century Hippolytus said that historic Christian custom required a civic magistrate to resign his office as a condition of joining the Church.”—A History of Christianity, Volume I, page 253.

Christian neutrality today

The Bible clearly shows that neither Jesus nor his early followers got involved in politics. For this reason, as Christians, Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world remain completely neutral. Like first-century Christians, they do the work that Jesus commanded—they preach “this good news of the Kingdom.”—Matthew 24:14.

Jesus did not involve in politics and he never taught that we should not be involved in politics. Jesus did not build a house. There are many things Jesus did not do. He did not use a computer. He did not travel in a plane. That your logic is wrong.

You intentionally misquote the bible Matthew 24:14 says nothing about Christian neutrality. This is what it says.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Please read the verses before quoting them.

ItsTutsi:
Lol! Now I know why this debate kept dragging, i was surprised seeing this from a core northerner.. however, 2023 election will be very interesting, may the best candidate win

You just said Atiku would win in the north so why would you be surprised yo see a core northerner not supporting APC?

Janosky:
When I say Tctrills display "blind Faith" & "brainwashed",(just as Templee333 has said about JWs) when JWs use the same expression on you, is that an attack on Tctrills?

Oga Tctrills, you are not honest.

Mr Janosky, what wrong did I do in commending someone for being respectful? Yes, you don't agree with him, but that is not the point here. He has not come out to fight any organization. He is only telling his personal story.

There is no need to attack everyone who those not agree with you. You don't agree with most people but they do not attack you. So calm down.

ItsTutsi:
Which state are u from, are u a northern Christian?

I am igbo

ItsTutsi:
Alright, we shall see Allah ya kasimu.. wehy are u even supporting Atiku?

I am not, I am for Peter Obi. But I prefer Atiku to APC.. Anything but APC

ItsTutsi:
Your misinterpreting me, I'm not saying Tinubu is more popular than Atiku! Atiku as a northern hausa/fulani is naturally the favourite and front runner in the north, however, the votes he gets and the margin of difference will not be significant and overwhelmingly for someone that refers to it as his strong hold and base

Tinubu's structure will help him out, which Atiku lacks, don't compare 2015 and now, there is no strong sentiment that power most be in north like 2015.. that's the wisdom why APC govs fought for a southern candidate, even yakassia came out to say "it will be dangerous for power to stay in the north, this are people of substance.. power will definitely go back to south, it's like ur still a novice in politics

Don't you know part of Wike anti party activities is a grand plan too bring presidency back to the south, if u don't know now u know

those like Buhari, El-Rufai, ganduje shekarau etc will definitely pull votes for him.. Atiku major votes have always been from the south.. APC govs will not allow PDP/Atiku to win because it will annihilate and bury their political career just like Buhari did to many in 2015

Shettima and zulum as kanuri have already secured 40% for Tinubu in NE.. borno(highest voters in ne), yobe and some part of gombe

Most of the elites and joggranauts of northern politicians are in APC in NW.. majority of HOA, Senators, LGC, govs are all in APC kitty

Kwankwasso is not going far, hence north won't waste their votes on him.. he shall only do well in kano and maybe kaduna

This is Gov. Masari of Katrina interview ysterday

When asked if northerners were buying into the Tinubu candidacy, Masari said

“They’ve already bought into it. First of all, Bola is not a new name in politics of Nigeria and we, the people of Katsina, know the role played by Bola Tinubu in 2015 for the emergence of Muhammadu Buhari. "We know the support he gave in 2019 for the continuation of Muhammadu Buhari. We, here in Katsina, are not ingrates.” Read more: https://www.legit.ng/politics/1488056-atiku-tinubu-northern-governor-predicts-winner-2023-presidential-election/

Northerners are very sophisticated just like Yoruba when it comes to politics, they know who was there for them or not.. I don't expect u to believe this, but I'll remind u after elections

Tinubu is not even as popular as Kwankwaso so in the core north. The northerners are not considering him. He is not in there equation.

famouscargo4u:
Yes, he will. Rabiu win get the most votes from the north. Not like Atiku is walk over though but Tinubu will marginally get more votes than Atiku. In the rural villages,

That makes so much sense. The rural villages prefer a southerner to their own

ItsTutsi:
Atiku will win zamfara, definitely.. but with a margin of not more than 20%, just like other northern states.. I'm willing to bet on this

I tot you said PDP can never win Zamfara. And don't be surprised, Kwankwaso is coming second in Zamfara.

ItsTutsi:
Lol.. my state only vote party line, since the inception of zamfara State, we have never voted PDP.. the masses have been brainwashed unfortunately, even if they were to be slaughtered one-by-one, thats how bad things are

My step mother's older brother is the gubernatorial candidate of PDP, Dauda lawal Dare.. Even tho ppl are dissatisfied with APC in zamfara, I don't see him winning

If PDP/Atiku is winning any state in NW, it's definitely not Zamfara.. don't rely on what u hear on the streets, it will always be like that.. mostly election doibt reflect what's on ground

Zamfara is one of the states in the north that does not for for southerners.
Are you willing to bet that Tinubu cannot win Zamfara?

ItsTutsi:
Yes, because that northerner happens to be Buhari, you can't compare Buhari and Atiku in any ramifications.. Atiku is not popular and a grassroot politician in the north

Im not saying Atiku will lose the north, as a northerner, I believe he will barely win it, but Tinubu will definitely get 40% in the north

You are wrong. The northerners do not prefer Tinubu to Atiku. Why would they. Are you sure you are from the north?
Do you know what 40 percent is? You actually think 2 in every 5 northerners would vote for a southerner? So if Tinubu scores 40%, how many votes would Kwankwaso score?

Aufbauh:
You must be one of the followers of the man with fake statistics Pitopi, who's ignorantly confident to tell us to go & verify.

So in 2015 Kwankwaso as the governor of kano state is a PDP member? Haba!
Go & check the presidential election result of Gombe state 2015 and find out it percentage of total vote cast.

I did my checking already so my record & fact is clear. However the zoning issue was a strong sentiment in the north 2015 which make some of the PDP governors there work against their party.

If through out the history of Nigeria presidential you could only isolate 2015 election then my fact is stronger than ur rebuttal.

I believed you could not fault or disproved that no sitting Governor's party come third in any presidential election in their respective state.

I forgot to add Niger state as one of the states PDP couldnt crack 20 percent even with a PDP gov in 2015

ItsTutsi:
Don't compare 2015 and now, they are totally different.. 2015 zoning of presidency to north sentiment was very high! Many, if not all PDP govs worked for Buhari! You can't compare Buhari on a ballot paper to Atiku or PO

You say you are from Zamfara, then you should know that your state has never voted a southerner since 2003. Even when the presidency was zoned to the south Zamfara always votes for a northerner.
Some things would never change.

ItsTutsi:
Bro, I'm from zamfara state.. which state are u from?

I have a tire shop in Gummi. I know your state as the back of my hand.
The people of Zamfara would only vote for Kwankwaso or Atiku as of now. Things may change. I don't know the Future.

ItsTutsi:
Lol you guys desperately try to claim you know how northerns votes and keep failing woefully.. that's why each election circle u keep getting wrong and then u propagate election rigging!!

1- the north knows kwankwasso won't go far, hence, won't waste their votes on him. His best outing will be in kano and Kaduna, it stops there

2- the likes of Buhari, El-Rufai, shettima, zulum, ganduje, shekarau, yerima etc are top notch grass root politicians who are on ground

3- 70% of elections in the north are done and won in rural areas.. those villagers only know PDP and APC

you don't know anything about how northerners vote apart from what u hear and see from social media!! Don't let all that 1million March and burning of brooms deceive u.. just like SARKI, when jungle matures, everyone region will go back to its base

In 2015, how many PDP northern governors we're able to win the presidential vote in their state?
Be asking question before commenting

ItsTutsi:
Lol you guys desperately try to claim you know how northerns votes and keep failing woefully.. that's why each election circle u keep getting wrong and then u propagate election rigging!!

1- the north knows kwankwasso won't go far, hence, won't waste their votes on him. His best outing will be in kano and Kaduna, it stops there

2- the likes of Buhari, El-Rufai, shettima, zulum, ganduje, shekarau, yerima etc are top notch grass root politicians who are on ground

3- 70% of elections in the north are done and won in rural areas.. those villagers only know PDP and APC

you don't know anything about how northerners vote apart from what u hear and see from social media!! Don't let all that 1million March and burning of brooms deceive u.. just like SARKI, when jungle matures, everyone region will go back to its base

It's obvious that you are not from the north and you have not been there in a long time. But you could at least call a friend to know 5he mood in the north.
Mention one northern state were Tinubu is popular? I am not counting Kwara.
Be asking people that live or do business there before writing these things.
You would hardly see a Tinubu supporter on the streets of Kano, Kastina or Kaduna

famouscargo4u:
Most of the outgoing governors are contesting to be a senator and they are guaranteed victory ti a large extent. Knowing that the action of the senate and president hold same day, it will be a plus for him. And he has been campaigning in the remote northern states. His major problem is Rabiu Kwankwaso and not even Atiku.

You believe he would defeat Atiku in the north? Like Atiku is actually a walk over. Very interesting.

Aufbauh:
You must be one of the followers of the man with fake statistics Pitopi, who's ignorantly confident to tell us to go & verify.

So in 2015 Kwankwaso as the governor of kano state is a PDP member? Haba!
Go & check the presidential election result of Gombe state 2015 and find out it percentage of total vote cast.

I did my checking already so my record & fact is clear. However the zoning issue was a strong sentiment in the north 2015 which make some of the PDP governors there work against their party.

If through out the history of Nigeria presidential you could only isolate 2015 election then my fact is stronger than ur rebuttal.

I believed you could not fault or disproved that no sitting Governor's party come third in any presidential election in their respective state.

Gombe, PDP 21%. Just say you are wrong and move on.

Aufbauh:
The problem with someone of you guys is that you'all use your emotion to make analysis.

The fact & record remains that:
1) Some people mostly the unedited rural voters who are in the majority will still vote along party line.

2) Every sitting Governor's party has
always come second at least in every general election.

3) Every sitting Governor has always manage to secure at least 40-45% vote for his party especially up north.

4) Presidential elections are won by mostly uneducated rural voters and not the noisy educated populace.

5) Election results are determined by what happened on the election day & not the perennial optics.

6) Nigeria politicians will always find their way around any new created law or act.

You are wrong with your stats.
Let's look at 2015 election.
Gombe had a PDP gov yet the scored less than 20 percent in presidential.
Same with Jigawa, PDP had about 15%

Check also Kastina and kebbi
Kaduna, less than 30%
The opposite happened in Rivers state. APC governor yet APC had less than 5%.
Please get your facts right and stop being sentimental.

slivertongue:
would the North listen to their governors and vote again for APC?

Serious question

That's Tinubu's only chance. He needs the northerners to vote APC again.

Ibomrep:
John 17:16
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Being of the world has to do with engaging in worldly things including political affairs of whom Jesus rejected !!!

So since he was not, his true follow should not.

Rather they should support his own kingdom and pray for that one to come as the only solution to mankind problems. Matthew 6:9,10

You can't support human government and be praying, hoping and supporting God's kingdom.

As it's in human politics, you can only benefit from the political party you supported.

None of Jesus apostles or followers engaged in politics rather as Jesus said they were being persecuted and even taken to court.

You are breaking Rule 1
1) True religion teaches the truth that is based on the Bible, not on human philosophies.

You have chosen to give your own definition of worldly things.

If politics was wrong Jesus would have said it.
The bible never said non of Jesus apostles or followers engaged in politics. You should stop adding your opinion to the word of God.

Anytime God gives us a commandment, it is very clear. If God was against politics he would have said it.

If the bible did not teach it then you are adding to the word.

You see, you are not even better than those you condemn.

That's the danger of judging others.

Tinubu needs to score more votes than Atiku and Kwankwaso in the north if he must win the upcoming election. Everything is possible in politics but how likely is this? He has about 14 APC northerner governors on his side. But would the North listen to their governors and vote again for APC?
No southerner has ever won the presidential election in about 11 of these states since 2003. Would Tinubu be able to change all that?
Also, would president Buhari be able to affect the election results? This would be an uphill task.

Templee333 I admire the respect you have shown. Although you are no longer part of the said organization and no longer agree with their teachings you have not attempted to persecute or attack them. You have refused to respond to their attacks, that's so responsible. Also, you are a great storyteller. Can't wait to learn more from you.

Ibomrep:
Jesus rejected human politics of his days stating that scripture.

Even when they wanted to make him king he rejected it.

His kingdom is not of the world.

So if we are his true followers we should not involve in human politics as Jesus did because his kingdom is not part of it

If you had said, because Christ refused to be king, you would avoid politics. I would have understood that to be your personal opinion. But saying Christ taught his followers to be politicaly neutral, that is lying against Vhirst and could qualify for blasphemy

Munamoqel:
am not your brother ! You are IPOB and ESN they have been happy killing Northerners and cow including the execution of hauwa and six kids after staying with ibo for 30 years ! Brothers don't kill innocent victims!

See you calling me names. I have never killed any northerner and please go and read your history, more Igbos have been killed in the north. I bet you don't know this. Again I did not call you a Boko Haram member or a Fulani terrorist. I told you, you need Christ.

Ibomrep:
Jesus rejected human politics of his days stating that scripture.

Even when they wanted to make him king he rejected it.

His kingdom is not of the world.

So if we are his true followers we should not involve in human politics as Jesus did because his kingdom is not part of it

Yes Jesus rejected being a king here. He was already a king in heaven. But he ordained David a king through his prophet. He never taught that we should be politicaly neutral. You could have said he refused to be a king buy you lie when you suggest he taught we must be politicaly neutral

Munamoqel:
I don't pretend we are not votting ibo person or obi as president of Nigeria ! You too don't vote Apc or PDP and we not allow or Lp even campaign if una no allow Apc campaign .tit for tat

You have a right to vote anyone, that is not the issue. We are discussing you hate for a people that did you nothing

Munamoqel:
why not am a tribalist like inamdi kanu !all tribe for themself !

You have a deep seated hate for Igbos for no reason. The other time, you mentioned 1983. If I guess, you were not born or you were less than 10 years then. Yet that hate was transferred to you from 1983. Tribalism is a sickness and a weakness. If no body tells you this, I will. My brother you need help. If you are a Christian, go to your church and talk to your pastor. Tell him you need the spirit of love for all God's creatures.

Munamoqel:
why not am a tribalist like inamdi kanu !all tribe for themself !

You are worse than him at least he is not a pretender

Munamoqel:
other better Africans dey North Africa .even the president candidate of the IPOB went to eyptains to study power not some mushroom Nation in West Africa!

You have proven to be a hater and a tribalist. You are worse that the people you accuse. And you know very little. I advise you to begin to see the good in others. Change your ways and you would be blessed.

Liquidpenis:
This makes you a slave to the Yoruba and tinubu.

No I am their king