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Janosky:
1Corinthians 5:9-13, please read, study and get the sense of it in a lucid way.
God bless.


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"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate(N) with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world(O) who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c](P) but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater(Q) or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.(R)

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside(S) the church? Are you not to judge those inside?(T) 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”[

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
These verses did not teach us to stop relating to formal members but we understand where you are coming from

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 5:1-13. 2 John 1:9-11.
Avoid unrepentant wrong-doers because a little leaven ferments the whole lump.

That way, you should avoid the entire world.

Courz:
At the bolded, do you know why JWs are to avoid ExJWs?

Nope tell me.

Ovieemmanuel:
It's not about condom. He did not deny the pregnancy the issue at hand now is resolve it apologise if need be . But get her something to do even if ita POS business.

It's best that the girl is out of his place. You don't resolve every relationship. What he needs is to have concrete evidence such as text messages to prove his case in any court. He does not owe the girl, he only owes his child.

Janosky:
The furious, DUBIOUS Courz made FALSE claims of Freemason & JWs, did Templee333 ever said he saw anything Masonic in our kingdom Halls or places of worship?

NEVER !
Courz is infinitely connected to delusion than reality.

I know you guys have a rule not to be involved in any way with formal members but I am happy you braved it even if it means breaking the rule. This makes the discussion balanced and fair.

Janosky:
You are not learning anything.
If you were indeed learning from him, would you FALSELY assert that your claim of "bondage"?

In your Bible,when Paul disagreed with Barnabas was that "bondage"?
What crime did a JW brother commit for a disagreement with his fellow JW?

I say it as it is !

Thanks for your contribution, well received.

Janosky:
Would this DUBIOUS Courz who use my moniker & Max moniker to post his GIBBERISH , give you an honest answer?

Will a scorned, furious DUBIOUS man tell you the truth about his ex?
You will hear what you desire to hear, not the truth. .

I don't like being deceived hence I am happy you are contributing to this thread to bring about balance. I am sure you would correct any false impression.

ZUBY77:
I promised to name him after Peter Obi for giving us a glimpse of hope that Nigeria can be wrestled out of the hands of the political bandits and be salvaged.
It doesn't matter if he wins or not, but atleast he gave people hope to fight for Nigeria in future.

Peter Obi, welcome to the world.

Janosky:
Would this DUBIOUS Courz who use my moniker & Max moniker to post his GIBBERISH , give you an honest answer?

Will a scorned, furious DUBIOUS man tell you the truth about his ex?
You will hear what you desire to hear, not the truth. .

Bro, I have discussed with you for over a year. I understand you. These guys are not here to fight. Let us allow them to tell their story. I do not have to believe all they say just like I don't believe all you say.

Janosky:
It is bondage to your deluded mind because in your own Bible, the disciples had disagreements and disputes, not once not twice.
That matter would be settled when my brothers meet again, the OP won't tell you the matter was settled because he has a motive for throwing that tantrum.

Have you never been angered or annoyed by your pastor ,fellowship member or colleagues?

Cast the first stone,Hypocrite!.

I am learning from Templee333 to be calm and not to take offense. I don't how he does it but that guy is showing great love and respect. He refuses to be provoked while telling his story. He states the good, the bad, and the ugly without ill feelings. I am not promising anything but in my future discussions with you, I would try to be more loving and forgiving.

Janosky:
It is bondage to your deluded mind because in your own Bible, the disciples had disagreements and disputes, not once not twice.
That matter would be settled when my brothers meet again, the OP won't tell you the matter was settled because he has a motive for throwing that tantrum.

Have you never been angered or annoyed by your pastor ,fellowship member or colleagues?

Cast the first stone,Hypocrite!.

I understand your feelings bro.

Courz:
At the bolded, That is what a sane person should think. But in JW Land, it is Love. There is nothing like freedom of speech there. You are told how to act, how to speak like a JW, how to feel or what emotions to display at certain times, how to think, who to make friends with, who to marry, how to spend your alone time, the list is endless. You will need to act like a Robot and assume everything is fine with a big smile on your face. Many scandals, squabbles, rifts, in fact everything that happens elsewhere happens amongst them but to them, everything is fine and they are way better than others from other religions. Strong delusion. They are taught how to be Narcissistic and delusional They say they are in a Paradise. Spiritual Paradise. Have you watched Dystopian movies? Foreign Movies about Cults or about people in an enclosed space with several restrictions governing them with no freedom of speech? That's the JW Land.

This is one of the reasons why they are regarded as a Cult.

Let me ask you a question and I need a sincere answer. JW members always speak of the great love they share among themselves. I know you have spoken of the bad examples of the leaders but in general, would you say they have great love among themselves? I tend to believe this because they always end up getting married to themselves.

Templee333:
you might not really understand JW except u pass through it. Even JW who aren't faithful members of the organization still hardly understand it.Only most devoted members know how terribly bad it is when they are honest enough to admit it. But unfortunately, an active member often closes his reasoning ability & deny reality in other to continue his race for life in the one & only true religion.

This could explain why a good number of them are extremely rude and hateful online. They are learning from the so-called Oc

Courz:
I wish I could tell you No but only someone that has lived that life or was born into it will be able to explain it to you. I was born into this religion. It's not what you can see as an observer looking from outside. You have to be a member to understand what I am saying.

Google Combating Cult Mind Control. or Steve Hassan's BITE MODEL of Authoritarian Control. Then you will understand.

Interesting

Courz:
At the bolded, That is what a sane person should think. But in JW Land, it is Love. There is nothing like freedom of speech there. You are told how to act, how to speak like a JW, how to feel or what emotions to display at certain times, how to think, who to make friends with, who to marry, how to spend your alone time, the list is endless. You will need to act like a Robot and assume everything is fine with a big smile on your face. Many scandals, squabbles, rifts, in fact everything that happens elsewhere happens amongst them but to them, everything is fine and they are way better than others from other religions. Strong delusion. They are taught how to be Narcissistic and delusional They say they are in a Paradise. Spiritual Paradise. Have you watched Dystopian movies? Foreign Movies about Cults or about people in an enclosed space with several restrictions governing them with no freedom of speech? That's the JW Land.

This is why they are regarded as a Cult.

Is it really that bad

Templee333:
we dared not insult a CO. I remember once we travelled a very long distance to rehearsal at Ass.Hall. We had a demonstration & bro Tony condemned all our presentation over & over again.Finally, he got angry & told us to come again next week. The brother (an elder) who sponsored the demonstration tried to explain that our distance is far & he'd be busy next week.Bro Tony cut in & scolded the elder. The elder pleaded with him. But later on our way back,the elder complained of how rude the CO is & never considered all his labour to transport this crew here. "Must he be insulting people anyhow just because he's a CO?",he mumured. But he didn't respond when the CO insulted him.

To me, that is bondage. But if the JW people would not complain, let me not complain for them.

BluntTheApostle:
Many of you are not realistic.

You expect them to do anything with dwindling revenue which they met and which continued to dwindle?

They could not increase tax. The only thing they could do was borrow.

That's where you get it wrong. Any fool can borrow to build a road. We borrowed for the wrong projects. We borrowed to send security cars to Niger. We spent 44 billion just to look for non-existent oil in the north. Isn't oil exploration done by private companies? We borrowed to build rails. Rails should be built by the private sector, not the public sector. But how would this happen when Nigeria is ranked 131 on the global Ease of Doing Business index, up from 145.
All the government needed to do was remove all the red tape. I have built businesses in Nigeria, This is one of the hardest places to build a business on earth.

BluntTheApostle:
There is no catastrophe. The government has begun to address the dependence on borrowing.

For example, reinventing NNPC.

And it is very callous to put all the blame on Buhari.

Like hundreds of countries, we were running budget deficits year in year out largely based on low taxes and high spending (especially defense budget fighting terrorist elements since 2009, and before then, pipeline vandals and militias).

We have been among the worst for global oil slumps, COVID-19 lockdowns, and the Russia-Ukraine conflict which ordinarily we should profit from supposing we refined our own oil.

How come from 1999 to 2015, we couldn't address our refinery issues? That was 15 years, but Buhari has been taking the blame since 2015.

No one blames Obasanjo who is now busy parading himself as some elder statesman. No one blames GEJ.

That is why I laugh when Obi says he won't borrow for consumption. What a clown.

To pay off our debts, or to stop even taking more (which is highly unrealistic), we need to increase budget surplus. How?

Increase tax? Nigerians have suffered enough. Moreover, it is not sustainable.

Increase growth? We don't even produce anything.

Cut spending? Subsidies, defense budget. Very unrealistic.

One more thing, it is very dishonest of you to blame Obasanjo or the leaders 15 years before Buhari. That way, no one would ever take responsibility. OBJ would blame the leaders 15 years before him and it would go on and on. Buhari added Kerosine to the fire. He met a bad economy and further crippled it. We are a failed state. The African Venezuela.

And you say you laugh at Peter Obi for not wanting to go further into borrowing. Don't you see how debt has destroyed our economy?

The Nigerian government deficit spending shot up to N3.09 trillion in the first quarter of 2022, an analysis of Nigeria’s 2022 fiscal performance report for the first quarter of the year has shown.

The government on Thursday released the performance report which showed that the pro rata spending target for the first quarter of the year was N5.77 trillion, while the actual spending as of April 31 was N4.72 trillion.

On the other hand, as of April 2022, FGN’s retained revenue was only N1.63 trillion, 49% of the pro rata target of N3.32 trillion, putting the deficit between actual spending and revenues at N3.09 trillion. It means the government likely borrowed to cover the deficit.

A breakdown of the actual spending showed that N1.94 trillion was for debt service, N1.26 trillion for personnel costs, including pensions, and as at April, N773.63 billion had been spent on capital expenditure.

Templee333:
one problem with JW is that they claim to be better than everyone else & know everything.

They obviously don't have answers. I have discussed with them many times on this platform. they are smart and they know many bible verses but clearly, they don't have all the answers. No one does.

BluntTheApostle:
There is no catastrophe. The government has begun to address the dependence on borrowing.

For example, reinventing NNPC.

And it is very callous to put all the blame on Buhari.

Like hundreds of countries, we were running budget deficits year in year out largely based on low taxes and high spending (especially defense budget fighting terrorist elements since 2009, and before then, pipeline vandals and militias).

We have been among the worst for global oil slumps, COVID-19 lockdowns, and the Russia-Ukraine conflict which ordinarily we should profit from supposing we refined our own oil.

How come from 1999 to 2015, we couldn't address our refinery issues? That was 15 years, but Buhari has been taking the blame since 2015.

No one blames Obasanjo who is now busy parading himself as some elder statesman. No one blames GEJ.

That is why I laugh when Obi says he won't borrow for consumption. What a clown.

To pay off our debts, or to stop even taking more (which is highly unrealistic), we need to increase budget surplus. How?

Increase tax? Nigerians have suffered enough. Moreover, it is not sustainable.

Increase growth? We don't even produce anything.

Cut spending? Subsidies, defense budget. Very unrealistic.

Sir let me ask you a few questions.
1. How much would Nigeria spend on debt servicing next year?
2. How much are we expected to generate next year?
If you have the answers to these 2 questions, you would take back all you have written. We are in real trouble. Even when you cut spending, increase tax by 50%, and do all the other measures you spoke about, we are still in hot soup.
Just answer those 2 questions and then we can talk.
From what you wrote, it's clear that you are very intelligent. But then it's funny how some of you the smart ones cannot recognize that this government is a complete disaster. We are no longer able to pay our debts but somehow you believe all is fine and these are great times for Nigeria.

Moh247:
Until it's fully paid for through tollgating it's still part of our debt

Nigeria spends 86% of revenue on debt servicing, South Africa pays 20%. This is an article in Punch newspaper.[url] https://punchng.com/nigeria-spends-86-of-revenue-on-debt-servicing-south-africa-pays-20/
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MrPresident1:
The Bible says that there was a time the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were very fair. Who are these sons of God? They are the angels

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

These angels who were in the presence of God saw that the daughters of men were very fair, they came down and married them.

The Bible never taught that angles came down to marry the daughters of men. This is the teachings of men.

Moh247:
What's our debt to GDP

Also, Nigeria’s debt mounts as govt generate N1.6 trillion and spend N4.7 trillion
The government likely borrowed N3.09 trillion in four months to finance its budget deficit.
Go through this article and tell me if it does not make you sick.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/544274-nigerias-debt-mounts-as-govt-generates-n1-6-trillion-spends-n4-7-trillion.html

Moh247:
What's our debt to GDP

You don't pay your debt from your GDP. You pay your debt from your revenue. Right now, we do not make enough money to service our debt and run the country.
Last year alone, we spent N4.22 trillion on debt services. Does this look like wisdom to you? This article from Nairametrics can educate you better on the catastrophe our government has created.[url] https://nairametrics.com/2022/07/21/nigeria-spends-118-of-revenue-on-debt-service/[/url]

Moh247:




Second Niger Bridge... Mambila power plant, Lagos-Ogun-Ibadan Standard guarge.. Onitsha river port, Siemens Power project


These are projects that are feasible and economically sustainable

Nothing is wrong in borrowing for capital projects especially if we have capacity to pay back... My only issue is with inflating contracts and budget padding



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Everything is wrong with borrowing for capital projects when you don't generate enough to pay back. Only a fool would borrow beyond his means and that is what our nation has done.

Courz:
They are not at the top of the pyramid. Their role is more like company men to enforce strict company code and monitor progress. They are Branch Managers who are able to monitor different branches/congregations. They are rotated.

That's interesting. But they seem to have a lot of power over the floor members.

Courz:
I have never seen this happen. COs can shout and be rude to JWs and JWs will be quiet and say nothing. After the CO is gone, they can open their mouth. But if that happens, I believe the JW that talks back will be disfellowshiped because that is regarded as Brazen conduct. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong.

So these CO's are like CEO's

Jayden001:
Africans will do something about it

But if most of the children coming from Africa are uneducated or under-educated, that only adds to the problem.

This stories are very revealing.
Question: What happens is a CO is rude to you and you insult him back?

Templee333 The exciting thing is that everyone, both JW and non JW are following your story with wrapped attention. We can't wait for you to continue.
Carry on.

Thank you Templee333 for your well-told story. I wish we all could be as calm and cool-headed as you have been despite the name-calling and provocation.
You have a beautiful story that tells the imperfections of men and their organizations. Good men, Yes. But when humans depend on their wisdom to comprehend eternal truths, they build walls that would crack.
Your story shed light on the cracks of the JW organization. It also told their good side, Their commitment to belief, and the way they introduce their kids early to their gospel.
I wish other Christians do not view this as a declaration of war against the JW. He without sin should cast the first stone.

Only the spirit of God can lead us to true religion.
We can argue over the scriptures but we don't discover the truth via debate. The spirit of truth would reveal all things. Stay hungry for the truth, never settle. Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness?
Ask the Lord. On our own, we know very little. Depend on his guidance and not the interpretation of scripture by men.
You cannot stop finding the truth until the Holy ghost testifies that you have found the truth.