₦airaland Forum

Codepain:
We should understand that his choice of Shettima as running mate is politics not religions.
Tinubu is banking on northern votes so he has to do what he has to do.

We understand he should have chosen a northern but the question is, why a northern Muslim. We have millions of Northern Christains.

Addme:
Why telling lies?

Brother
, When I told you yesterday that churches in Lagos are crazy about Obi, you said I lied. Even in some churches, when you mention another candidates name u fit collect slap.
This is a video from House on the rock yesterday. Remember the pastor is Yoruba and this is one of the biggest churches on Nigeria not a local church.
https://youtu.be/VMjwJQYODZY
Christians from all tribes rock Obi.

SmellyNyash:




SmellyNyash!!

Thank you, one of my guys dey follow me argue.

Please does any one here have the video of house on the rock church rooting for Obi?

Kobojunkie:
Sure, let's leave God's mention out of the politics of men.

You know I don't agree with you both let's not keep going round and round ok

LesbianBoy:
I am not impressed with what I have seen so far from the turn out for Peter obi. The way things are going tinubu evil plan is going to work. He would win

Is it untill you see a paid crowd wearing the same uniform?

Kobojunkie:
1. Who said anything about Jesus Christ being in support of slavery? Are you certain I am the one here who doesn't understand scripture here since?
2. This from the same Jesus Christ that told them they are all equals - Matthew 23 vs 8 -9 - and He alone is Master over them all - Matthew 6 vs 24 ? Are you certain you are not instead trying here to make Jesus Christ say what He never said?

We have both made our points, let's leave others to decide. I believe we are beginning to repeat ourselves over and over again. What say you?

Kobojunkie:
1. So, leave God and His mention out of it all till then.
2. Again, the approach of men is that, the approach of men.

We have both made our points I guess we are beginning to go in circles. We should stop, what do you think?

Wilgrea7:
I wouldn't exactly agree that Christians were the ones who made the world a better place.

Humans made the world a better place.

While a lot of the good stuff you mentioned was done by societies who were Christian, a lot of bad stuffs were also done by societies who were Christian.

The inquisitions were done by Christians
The holy wars in medieval europe were fought by Christians
The societies who also suppoerted slavery were Christian

In essence, people used, and continue to use religion to justify their personal interests. People would do just about anything if they believe a god told them to.

While I don't discredit the good things that Christianity has done, I'm also not going to deny the bad things.

Because at the end of the day, it was humans that did all those. We just used religion as a front to justify what we did

All lot of bad stuff were done in all societies by Christian nations changed the world.
Example, slavery was going on in every nation of the world. It was first stopped in Christian nations. Same thing for democracy, human rights and many of the things we take for granted today

Kobojunkie:
Fewer wars? But with a much higher number of casualties combined, right?

Hunger reduced? Do you mean ratio-wise or what? With 8 billion mouths to feed and poverty still rampant in some countries, how do you conclude that hunger is necessarily reduced?

Your stats are wrong. More people died from wars in the 60s than from 2000 till date.
More hungry bellies in the 90s than today. Please just do your research.

Kobojunkie:
What I have instead witnessed is humans change one thing only to open doors to more evils by their attempts at good. As I said, I am not against the world doing what it wants to do. What I am against is pretending it all has something to do with God and that which He commands of us.

You only see evil in the world, I see a better world. The world has gotten progressively better because of good men.
And you refused to answer my question so we know who is pretending.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ instead said that His followers are not to set themselves in seats of authority like the Gentiles do - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Anyone who desires to rule should instead be a slave to others.

No Jesus never supported slavry. You don't understand the scriptures. He taught his followers that if they were to become leaders, they should learn to serve first.
He didn't discourage them from leadership, he only wanted them to learn service even as leaders.

Fuckingmallam45:
Imagine back then, if Soludo were to contest for the position of president, just like present Obi, the whole social medias would have tried to portray him as a saint for us, and we might definitely believe them, just see what is happening now. Is Soludo not young? Is Soludo not educated? Is Soludo not vibrant?
Politics is more than all these aforementioned, people that are supporting Obi should think it well, what if he happened not to be the Messiah they all hope for? But anyway, as for Soludo, he might definitely have a good reason for doing that. I pray such a reason to yield positively and be a welcome development.

Peter Obi set up the best educational system in Nigeria. Under him, Anambra was number one in education in Nigeria. But its not always about wasting money but using scarce resources well.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am not against them. I instead believe God's Way is a better approach to change.

4. The same Singapore? https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-singapore/#:~:text=Out%20of%20136%20countries%20considered,family%20homes%2C%20or%20378%2C000%20people.

2. There is suffering everywhere.

Yes, God's way is better but till God comes to save his people from suffering men would reduce the suffering.
It's true that there is suffering everywhere but we would be dishonest to claim we have not seen people's suffering reduces because good leaders were elected.
Or would you also claim that people's suffering doesn't get reduced?

Kobojunkie:
But I did answer your question.

You believe that the way to resolve the problems you listed are to vote better folks into power but God says that a better way is to instead submit to and obey Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments..

Have we not witnessed less wars in our time than ever before in the world?
Have we not witnessed hunger reduce than ever in recorded history? So why pretend?

Kobojunkie:
But I did answer your question.

You believe that the way to resolve the problems you listed are to vote better folks into power but God says that a better way is to instead submit to and obey Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments..

If you refuse to answer simple questions, I no reason in go on.
It's not about what I said. We have all witnessed good leaders solve the problems I listed so why pretend as we have never witness good governance do these things.

Kobojunkie:
1. Who says I am not?

2. The reason for all this suffering is man's decision to go it alone, without God.

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Kobojunkie:
1. Who says I am not?

2. The reason for all this suffering is man's decision to go it alone, without God.

So if you care about people like you claim then why are you against men that can make change

2. If the reason for all the suffering is man's decision to go it alone, then how come. Europe and America have less economic hardship that 9ja? Do they trust God more?
How come a leader wiped poverty almost completely out of Singapore and reduced the suffering of his people. Is it that the people of Singapore trusted God more?

Kobojunkie:
God said the way to help in all is to trust and obey Him, not your casting of votes or looking up to men.

You are doing your best not to answer the question, smart guy

Dtruthspeaker:
let me not overload you, let me stop at it's too late. It's Mathew 24/Revelation (end of the world) time now!

like I said before, ok sir.

Dtruthspeaker:
It's too late. The case of man has been returned to God which is why Christ Said "it is Finished".

This game is over and man is just waiting for the final whistle.

Not like I understand your point but let me just say ok.

Kobojunkie:
What standard of good are you trying to enforce here? Man's or God's?

According to Gods standard is it good for us to go about enslaving others?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ went about doing good in compliance with God's standard of good, something you leaders are incapable of.

Are you saying that you don't give a damn if people are enslaved?
You don't care if people are starving?
Do long as you are allowed to preach your gospel, you are ok, let the people suffer?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ went about doing good in compliance with God's standard of good, something you leaders are incapable of.

Is it good to enslave others?
Is it good to take away people's freedom of speech?
Is it good to embezzle pubic funds?
Is it good to help the masses?
Is it good to improve standard of living?
Is it good to educate the kids

Kobojunkie:
The term itself is an oxymoron for you cannot be a Christian an a leader at the same time.

you can

Kobojunkie:
Again, there are no such thing as a Christian leader.

I don't believe in the world and the schemes of men at all, instead I believe in God

If you are a Christian and you are a leader, you are a Christian leader, simple definition.

Kobojunkie:
More work that Jesus Christ intended for you to do or more work that the world convinces you there is to do?

The bible says he went about doing good. We need leaders that do good

Kobojunkie:
To Obey that which is commanded of me is better than all of that combined.

What does that have to do with the topic. Good leaders make the world a better place.
You are able to preach your gospel in peace and safety because someone fought for religious freedom. We need more men like that.

Realists:
Hmm see hate been propagated by a supposed man of god ?. Why the noise ?, Vote for your preferred candidate without spreading hate & violence.
The church in Nigeria should vote for peter obi & leave BAT in peace, you don't have to poison people's mind. Democracy is a game of numbers.

How did he propagate hate?

Kobojunkie:
But Jesus Christ didn't end slavery yet He blessed lives. Are you saying what He did is the same as what Lincoln did? If so, why bother with Jesus Christ at all?

To you, which is better, to give arms to the poor or to reduce poverty?

Kobojunkie:
But Jesus Christ didn't end slavery yet He blessed lives. Are you saying what He did is the same as what Lincoln did? If so, why bother with Jesus Christ at all?

Unless you believe it is right for a man to force his fellow man to serve him and live under his orders, then you must agree that these Christain leaders did great things. God is very proud of them.

Kobojunkie:
But Jesus Christ didn't end slavery yet He blessed lives. Are you saying what He did is the same as what Lincoln did? If so, why bother with Jesus Christ at all?

Jesus Christ did not solve all the problems on earth hence we have more work to do. Are you against the abolition of slavery?