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Kobojunkie:
What good men? Good by whose standard?

Jesus taught us to give to the poor. We need leaders that lift the poor not those that step on the poor

Kobojunkie:
What good men? Good by whose standard?

All good is the same. Abraham Lincoln ended slavery, that was good, it blessed lives.

Kobojunkie:
Who send you betterment of mankind? The same Jesus Christ that said He came to save only a few and not the many?

I think you err against God when you pretend your votes have an impact of sorts on His plan and goal as far as His Kingdom. Cast your votes instead as citizens of this world would.

When good men are in power the people rejoice. Jesus Christ taught us to do good to other hence we need leaders that would do good.

9jaHustler:

I don't understand.

Kobojunkie:
Yet according to Jesus Christ, the Christ in Christianity, there are no such Christian Nations, Christian leaders, etc.

Your votes cast for men and systems of this world have absolutely nothing to do with God since that which you do you do as people who live in this world and not as citizens of the Kingdom of God. So how did you react the conclusion in bold?

Your vote cast has so much to do for the betterment of mankind. Anything that makes your life and that of your fellows better is God's plan.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible first said a Nation should listen to God and obey His Commandments and Be Holy.

No nation is Holy, so the case has returned to God's Hands again.

Not every Nigerian is a Christian we cant force Christian ideas on others

Dtruthspeaker:
You lost that right when beloved Isreal too became God's Enemies and now there is technically no God's people and Holy Nation especially as God Changed His Plans when Isreal became His Enemy.

But, however, we were talking about Law, hence God must be involved.

I'm not even sure where you stand. Do we kill sinners like the bible says or not?

Dtruthspeaker:
There was nothing like country before but God still owned everything in the earth, lands, seas, animals, people, everything.

So, His Opinion can not be cast aside.

Ok let's begin to kill gay people and adulterers like the bible says

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not hear God Rules the heavens and the earth and His Kingdom has no end? And He shall do whatever He pleases?

You are making the mistake of taking His Silence for Absence.

Remember this statement

"Christ is The Head of this House (World).
The Unseen guest Person at every meal Everywhere.
The Silent Listener to Every Conversation!"

Nigeria is not a Christian country.

Dtruthspeaker:
Everything people do or do not do, affects us, therefore God, The True and Lawful Law Maker, Has Set The Lawful and the Unlawful.

Man has no right to make Laws for All The Laws he needs has already been Given by God.

And one of such Laws that he has used to steal God's authority and rulership which he now uses to deceive people is The Law of Contract (Agreement).

God has allowed man to make Agreements, and Agreements are still based on His Laws which can nullify any Agreement that is not sanctioned by His Law.

So it is this Contracts he makes with his fellow men which makes you think that man makes laws. Which is why he created the term "legal" and "illegal".

So man can make "legal" things that are contrary to God's Law, BUT HE CAN NOT AND DOES NOT MAKE LAW!

Which is we say in the end it is The Law, which is God, Who will judge.

Legal will disappear!

You are just implementing
"A crime persevered in a thousand centuries ceases to be a crime, and becomes a virtue." Mark Twain.

Where God, The Law, has provided "Time does not and cannot cure an unlawful Act" as proven by the recent return of stolen artifacts.

No crime can ever be defended on Lawful ground. But in legal, man can do whatever he likes and can therefore pronounce that that which is Unlawful, is Legal!

Yes, when God's kingdom is on earth, all men would follow his lawa. For now, let's separate Church from state

Patrioticbreed9:
Seven years ago the yorubas on Nl were peace and loving, they had no enemy.

They were willing to love everybody but in return what did they get!

The igbo started calling them, Chamelem,betrayals etc.

The yorubas you see today is the monster the igbos made, so dont blame them.

The in human words the igbos used against the yorubas were extreme.


I here by on be half of the sane igbos ask for forgivness from our dear yoruba brothers for forgiveness, it was never your fault.

I hope you find it in your heart and forgive us.

The igbos are not what you think except the bigoted ones.


May almighty Allah bless you guys ameen.


Say no to tribalism.

Last last.. Na we two dey relate pass.

What is wrong with this being? We are trying to stop tribalism but people like you keep fueling it. You can't even spell Amen. What was your aim and purpose in writing a post like this? We are looking for ways to unite but people like you only make it worse.

In Nigeria, the take from you.

Mikee19:
Sigh... Pls let him answer the questions, i promise I'm not trying to judge him. You don't know this cos u don't know my motive or what I'll respond with. I'm trying to locate what "help" /teaching will be most useful, what approach will be best. My questions are for this purpose ONLY! They will help me best respond to him most effectively!

This is tiring. I can only demonstrate what i mean if he does answer. Let him answer and when you see my response you'll know better what i mean

Ok, do as you please

justicechichex:
Nothing much to say here. The 'soul' and the 'body' is the same... The soul can die(Ezekiel 18:4). We are all living souls/beings. There is also nothing inside of us that is called a soul that survives the body when one dies.

As for the 'spirit', it is the breathe of life/life force that keeps all humans and other earthly creatures alive(Psalm 104:29). When we die, this spirit/life force returns to its maker(Ecclesiastes 12:7).

You are right in a way. The soul dies when the spirit and the body separates the body and the spirit together make up a living soul.

orisa37:
There are four living creatures in HUMANS.
The Heart
The Soul
The Mind and
The Body.
They're all SPIRITS.

How about the brain is it dead?

RepoMan007:
Like the urge to steal, these things come as urge and therefore any country legalizing LGBT behaviours should consider legalizing theft and other crimes too. Just because it is mutual and consentual doesn't merit it being legal

What 2 adults do in the bedroom is not your business.
We can also make lying, adultery, fornication, back biting, and gossiping illegal.
Just because it's a sin doesn't make it illegal.
There should be a separation of church and state.

Mikee19:
No, he will make his choice na, lol. Nobody can enforce anything on anyone, i certainly am not trying to do so. Also I'm not "questioning his status with God". He may be born again. He may not be. I just want to know! Haba! Ppl and these sorta decisions. It's like when u ask someone something and he says "you're questioning me?"! It will always be funny to me because it's just a question! I just want to know dasall! I can't judge no man, I'm not God. Pls let him respond, they're just harmless questions biko!

There are good and bad questions. There are judgemental questions. I believe you could teach him from the bible if you think the pentecostal way is the right way to Christ.

benodic:
and so it started, long long time ago. in a land that is no land that exist beyond time and space.
souls were unconscious atoms in the body of God. within God came the desire for these unconscious atoms , which are integral part of itself, to gain consciousness and come to full realization of their relationship with It.
from God then issued forth its word, the creative force, the ECK, the Holy Spirit with which it created the universes which will form the school for the training of souls .
and so the journey began

You are almost right except that our souls were conscious. Our souls are the spirit children of God.

This coming election, I would not ask you to vote for Christian leaders rather vote for the best person's according to your conscience.
It is a sin to knowingly vote for evil men just because of tribal sentiments.
Let all Christians queue behind good and just men according to our best judgement.

Mikee19:
May I ask why you want to switch from being Pentecostal to Catholic tho?

Cos I did the reverse. Born and raised Catholic (hence can tell you about them and why I left), but only if you reply my first. What's wrong with Pentecostal church that you wanna leave? Why the Catholic church, what do u love about them? Did u get born again while a Pentecostal?

Answer these three, and I promise I'll tell you why I left them for Pentecostal church. I'll tell you much about them

There are many reasons one would want to leave the pentecostal church. Allow him to make his choice. He is looking for God. Let God direct his journey. If you feel he is making a bad move, then teach him from the bible.
Teach him correct principles that you believe are missing in the Catholic Church. I don't think you have the right to question his status with God by asking if he is born again. Even Jesus or his apostles did not ask anyone if the are born again

talk2hb1:
I have been Thinking and Thinking, is Christian Gods Wicked by letting them kill his own son just because he wants human blood before he can forgive sins, or he is powerless and hungry for blood to forgive sins?

You do not know the consequence of sin and the Justice of God.
Let me explain it to you this way, by nature, God can never be with a sinner. Sin is his kryptonite stone. A sinners would be lost and the only way to pay for sin is with life.
But because of his love for us, he gave his son. That is the highest love not wickness.
Again he gave Jesus Christ the power of resurrection and the power over death. Hence all mankind would live again. This is both power and love

I make this post so that all Christians would realize that it was we Christians that made the world a better place.
I use to tell people that if Jesus Christ came today and not 2000 years ago, he wouldn't have been crucified.
Thanks to Christianity we now have freedom of speech and civil rights.
This was fought for by Christians in Europe and America.
Slavery was stopped by Christians. Before then, every religion believed it was right to enslave other human beings.
Christians have made the world better and safer than it had ever been.
So please don't forget your Christian values as you vote and choose candidates to support.
We are the religion that made the difference.
We are the light of the world.
Without us, the world would still be in slavery. There would be no human rights and man would be of little worth.
Thanks to Christian nations the entire world is a better place.
Never forget who we are and what we have given to the world.
The blood of many good men have been shed to bring light to the world.
Involve yourselves with the politics of the time and always stand for what is best.
We do not live in a perfect world but we do make it better.

Kobojunkie:
1. God no tell you that one.

2. God never weighed His Laws in that way. They are all of them perfect as they are, and all Eternal.

3. Just so you know the same command to be Hoky even as God is Holy is also included in the Old Covenant Law of Moses. As for Jesus Christ refusing to be like His Father, that's not true at all as Jesus Christ lived in submission and Obedience to God's Law as given by Moses. He was Holy even as God is Holy - Leviticus 21 vs 8 & Exodus 19 vs 8 . He loved according to the law set by His Father in that Law.

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By the way, did you know that God's Law stipulates the details of how you are to love/show love to Him and to others?

For instance, in Matthew 5 vs 38 - 48, Jesus Christ details exactly how we are to show love to those who are our enemies. In John 14 vs 15 - 25, Jesus Christ details exactly what we are to do if we truly love Him. These things aren't left to us to do as we please or decide for ourselves. God spelt it all out in His detail in His Law to us. There are other instructions stating precisely what we are to do to show the love that God wants all throughout the Gospels too.

The reason why Christianity looks nothing today like I did when Jesus Christ first set it up is simply because people have abandoned the Truth en masse to seek their own pleasures and ways to please God. God's commandments are no longer regarded as they ought and so the love of Jesus Christ is near nowhere to be seen. His light nowhere in sight.

If the old laws where perfect then why did we need new laws. If salvation came from the old law why do we need a new law?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ lived by God's Old Covenant Law does not mean He follows a lesser Law. It smoky means He lived according to the Old Covenant Law of Moses in obedience to God. This was in order to fulfil the mission God had Him finish here on earth.

2. The Law to which Jesus Christ said that in reference to is the Old Covenant Law of Moses to which both commandments stated belong to - Leviticus 19 vs 9 -20 and Exodus 20.

God's Old Covenant Law is the lesser law.
Our Father in heaven lives the higher law, he loves all men. Christ commanded us to be like his Father, hence we love all men but he refuses to be like the father. He refuses to love those that his father loves. Is that your point?

Kobojunkie:
Well, His enemies are those who refuse to obey His commandments and for them is prepared a place in eternal damnation aka Hell. He explained all of this in many of His parables to you.

As for the master keeping His own commandments, well Jesus Christ lived in submission and obedience to God's Old Covenant Law and the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel, the Will of His Father, not to Himself.

So let me get you, Man and God are to love all men but Jesus Christ follows the Lesser law.
Again, when Jesus was asked which is the greatest commandment in the Law, He replies Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself. Which law was he referring to?

Kobojunkie:
I completely understand what you are driving at, however the problem is you don't clearly understand who Jesus Christ is.

Even though God's instructions to you through Jesus Christ is that you love your neighbors and enemies, God only gave Jesus Christ only to those who will believe in Him - John 3 vs 16. Jesus Christ is capable of loving those in His flock - John 15 vs 7 - 11. His friends are those who do as He asks - John 15 vs 14.

You mean Jesus Christ who commanded us to love our enemies is not capable of loving his enemies. Hmm, interesting. So the master is not capable of keeping his own commandments.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is a Law, a Law that only applies to those who are bound to Him .I.e. only those who believe in Him - John 3 vs 16. So your analogy there does not work at all..

You are not getting me. God loves the world, we are expected to love all men but to you, Jesus is the exception. He is not allowed to love all men. If Jesus is the law like you say, the law commands us to love all men. Is he breaking his own law?
The Father loves all men, Christians followers of Jesus Christ are to love all men but Christ does not love all men

Kobojunkie:
What has hate to do with anything?

God designed His Law, Jesus Christ, in such a way that only those who love Him - live in continuous submission to and obedience of His teachings and commandments- will reap the Love He has to give - John 15 vs 7 - 11 - meaning those who refuse to love Jesus Christ, along with those who outright reject Him, cannot access the same Love. So what has that to do with hate?

Let me make it easy for you, if you are your wife are one, you invite me to your house and show me love but your wife on the other hand treats me like crap, would we say you and your wife are one?
If Christ and his Father are one but he does not love those his father loves and he commands us to love all men like his father, how is the possible.
1. The Father loves all men
2. The Father commands us to love all men even our enemies
3. Christ does not love all men

This mean that we God expects more from us that from Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Indeed they are one, and Jesus Christ is God's Truth, God's Life and God's Way, but definitely not God's Love - John 14 vs 6 - as Jesus Christ explained to His followers.

Can you be one with God and you would hate who he loves?

Kobojunkie:
God is not Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ made this fact clear and plain in His teachings.
Jesus Christ declared to us that Heis God's Truth, God's Life and God's Way(Law) - John 14 vs 6 - but Jesus Christ never said He is also God's Love, so it is wrong to assume Him that which He never claimed .

God's love to mankind through Jesus Christ is conditional and dependent on man's obedience of His teachings and commandments. So in Jesus Christ, God shows His Love only to those who obey Him.

I and my father are one

Kobojunkie:
.... that He sent Jesus Christ - His New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. God is not Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ never said He loves the world.... instead He made it clear that instead His love - promises, blessings etc., - exists for those who love Him .i.e. those who Obey His teachings and commandments- John 15 vs 7 - 11.

If God loved the world, then Jesus Christ loved it too.

Addme:
Do you live in Lagos?

Where do you think I live? Mind you, I never said I live in Lagos, I said in my church in Lagos.