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honesttalk21:
Oops! Muslims did not choose Hafs. The Qur'an has been preserved through mass transmission (tawatur), public transmission long before and after his time. Hafs is not a starting point; he is merely one transmitter of one canonical reading among others (like Warsh, Qalun, and ad-Duri), all of which have been independently preserved and are still in use today.

No chains disappeared; they coexisted. Hafs became more widespread later due to the convenience of Ottoman printing, not because of any theological reliance; his reading had already been accepted canonically centuries earlier.

Criticizing Hafs applies hadith criteria to Qur'anic transmission, which is a category error. The Qur'an relies on multiple independent mass transmissions rather than a single narrator or a printing press.

So, why did you choose Hafs transmission in 1924 ,where the Cairo edition standardized Hafs Qur'an globally?

The Cairo edition came because Al-Azhar since the Fatimid era (10th century) was the global hub for qira'at scholarship, hosting students from across the Muslim world (North Africa, Levant, Persia, Sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia). The problem was the vast difference in recitations leading to the adoption/promotion of a single version for all Muslims


*Apart from these above, the existing Different Arabic Qurans in the world now is about 32 to 36* . Not one Muslim can tell us which one of them is the exact copy of the Quran of Allah in heaven.
Here is a list of some of the different Arabic Qurans in existent:
_Hafs Quran_
_Warsh Quran_
_Qalun Quran_
_Al-Duri Quran_
_Al-Bazzi Quran_
_Qunbul Quran_
_Al-Suri Quran_
_Ibn `Amir Quran_
_Hisham Quran_
_Ibn Dhakwan Quran_
_Khallad Quran_
_Al-Kisa'i Quran_
_Al-Duri Quran_
_Abu'l-Harith Quran_
_Ibn Wardan Quran_
_Ibn Jamaz Quran_
_Ya`qub al-Hashimi_
_Ruways Quran_
_Rawh Quran_
_Khalaf al-Bazzar Quran_
_Ishaq Quran_
_Idris al-Haddad Quran_
_Khalaf Quran_

The most popular versions are the Hafs Quran and the Warsh Quran


You can clearly see that the claim of the Perfectly Preserved Quran is a fallacy.

Ohyoudidnt:
Nigeria's power grid isn't underutilized due to a lack of plants or weak infrastructure. The installed generation capacity is approximately 13.6 GW, while reliable transmission hovers around 8 to 8.7 GW. However, less than 5 GW is operational, as gas shortages, non-payment issues, vandalism, and maintenance failures leave many plants idle. The centralized, government-owned transmission system contributes to significant technical losses, congestion, and risks of single-point failures. While local or embedded generation can circumvent these losses, it may involve higher upfront costs for local transmission. Ultimately, the main challenges stem from gas availability, cash flow issues, and inefficiencies within the centralized grid not from the generation equipment itself.

Do you know that Nigeria should NEVER complain about gas shortages because we have OIL and we flare our gas during refining crude.

Most turbines can work with BOTH gas and liquid fuel. Honestly, we have no excuse.

I think you are still getting your data skewed
1. Installed Capacity 13GW
This is the total power if ALL our generators are functioning. It includes turbines that are damaged or no more in use
2. Wheeling Capacity 8-8.5GW
This is the maximum power our grid can safety carry.
3. Generated Power 3.5GW to 6GW
This is the range of our power generation. We are not even close to our wheeling capacity of 8-8.5GW capacity because our average generation is about 3.6 GW.


Our grid will start becoming a problem when we are generating more than the 8GW power because the demand will stress the grid line

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Ohyoudidnt:
The problem is systemic, not isolated. Fairly recently, Nigeria's maximum official power generation peaked at 5,375 MW in February 2024, and we have never reached 7 GW due to several issues:
Gas supply problems seen with IPPs like Papalanto lacking guaranteed gas supply. Even Sahara Energy managing Egbin has it's challenges.

Idle capacity is seen where power plants exist but can't operate due to unavailable pipelines or gas.

GenCos face shutdowns because DisCos are not making payments.

Your analysis is correct that low generation leads to grid instability; if one plant shuts down, others may follow, resulting in widespread failure. Then realistically how much of the transmission lines due to be replaced have been?

Although we have 13 GW of installed capacity, we only transmit 4-5 GW because the transmission lines can't support more power even if we are able to generate this much.

Barth Nnaji points out that the power sector needs tariffs that accurately reflect electricity costs, private investments, and infrastructure upgrades simultaneously, not in sequence.

Fortunately some progress has been made towards reducing line losses seen in transmitting generated power to a centre and then distribution. At least Aba's example is visible.

I understand you perfectly,only that Nigeria had never used up nor maximized the national grid capacity.

Nigeria's national grid transmission (wheeling) capacity stands at approximately 8,000-8,700 MW reliable limit as of early this year. BUT here we are in 2026 never able to push a mere 6GW into the line.

So. you see that the problem is more of generation rather than transmission line capacity.

bamsz:
You are missing my point, I am not talking about willigness now, I am only pointing to the complexity. This is more reason our politicians have to wake up, you need to develop an adjacent industry that would build the long-term power infrastructure, you need qualified engineers in thousands....its not wishful thinking, it's a lot of work....

The technology of Electrical Energy Generation and Transmission is not Rocket Science: it is simple for people who truly want to solve the problem.

Nigeria has thousands of Qualified Engineers to man the problem. There exists many technical partners that can install turbines system

honesttalk21:
The Qur'an was never reliant on Hafṣ; it had been memorized by thousands and standardized under ʿUthman well before his time. Hafs is simply one canonical reading, not the original source. Criticizing hadith narrators such as Hafs b. Sulayman does not impact the authenticity of the Qur'an.

No problem that the Qur'an was memorised. The problem is that of the hundreds of thousands of the purported memorisers of the Qur'an, you choose Hafs who normally should be disqualified by your own standard of transmission of islamic truths..

So, are you telling me that other credible chain of transmission of the Qur'an somehow disappeared!?

Islamic stories usually have K legs with scrutiny

honesttalk21:
You’re mixing up two distinct fields of study. While Hafs b. Sulayman is considered weak in hadith narration, he is not regarded as weak in Qur’anic recitation, and it's important to note that the Qur’an is transmitted quite differently from hadith.

Hafs was never called a liar. He was deemed weak only in terms of hadith precision due to his memory, not for fabrication. This assessment does not apply to Qur’anic transmission, which is mass-transmitted and confirmed independently across generations. Hafs is simply one transmitter of one reading (ʿAsim) among several equally authentic readings like Warsh, Qalun etc.

Using hadith criticism on the Qur’an is a category mistake; there are no multiple Qur’ans, only different canonical readings of the same text, all preserved through mass transmission. Hadith evaluation is on basis of probability; Qur’anic transmission is collective and public.

1. Isnt the Qur'an also a Hadith of Allah transmitted through Jibril to Mohammed through other reporters?
2. It seems you don't know Hafs.
Al-ʿUqaylī, Ḍuʿafā’ al-ʿUqaylī, ed. ʿAbd al-Muʿṭī Amīn Qalʿahjī (Beirut: Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmiyyah, 1984), 1:257.
which states:

كَانَ يَسْرِقُ الْكُتُبَ، وَيَضَعُهَا فِي كُتُبِهِ، وَكَانَ هُوَ وَأَبُوهُ مَتْهُونَيْنِ فِي الْحَدِيثِ، ضَعِيفَيْنِ
"He used to steal books and incorporate them into his own books. He and his father were considered worthless/despised in Ḥadīth, weak."

This is from your own early Islamic books
3. My argument still stands. If there is no falsehood at the foundation of the source of your Qur'an, there should be several sources of the Qur'an as it needn't pass through Hafs not his father.
How many copies of the Qur'an did Uthman make?
How many people memorised the Qur'an completely before the birth of Hafs and his father?

honesttalk21:
In hadith science, if there is a known liar or someone accused of fabrication in the chain, the report is outright rejected and deemed mawdu(fabricated) or matruk (abandoned). However, if a narrator is unknown (majhul) or truthful but lacks precision, the report is considered daʿif (weak) not fabricated. I see you conflate these distinct categories into a false dilemma, overlooking the established intermediate rules that guide hadith evaluation.

This is precisely why Ibn Maqjah 1042 is classified as hasan. Its narrators are not liars, the weaknesses are minor, and there are supporting reports with similar wording that elevate a lightly weak chain to hasan li-ghayrih. Remember I questioned you of other hadith with similar wording? Mistaking weakness for fabrication is not a scholarly disagreement; it is a methodological error stemming from polemics rather than from hadith science.

So, why do Muslims not reject the Qur'an of Hafs?

You very well know that there should be countless other people more credible than Hafs and his father who should have memorised the Qur'an perfectly.

But no! Of all narrators Muslims cannot find any chain of transmission using their own rules but to include at least two fraudulent liars.

Can you see that Muslims pick and choose what they think suits their current position?

immaculatesense:
I thought NYSC should have exposed some of you beyond your states and local government na.
Oh sorry, not all of your graduated from school or had opportunity to serve.
I served in Ebonyi state in Ezza North to be precise just a little less than 10 years ago and I can say authoritatively that there was no single bank in the whole of Ezza North at the time. We had to go to Abaliki before we could make withdrawals. I knew how many kilometers we had to trek just to make a call, we couldn't even receive calls because there were no network. How will REAL TIME transmission of results work in those areas? Or election should not hold in those areas abi?
So, if them ask you no, you go answer say banks dey all local government in Nigeria abi? Dey there.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Have you heard of starlink solution?

If the excuse is insecurity, do you think elections will be possible at all even with paper?

Politicians can lie for Africa!

honesttalk21:
I asked if there were hadith with similar wording to the one graded Hassan? Sure there are and a Hassan hadith is not discarded just because concerns are raised for valid reasons.

Hadith grading is a rigorous methodology rather than a matter of personal opinion. While there is some subjective judgment involved, it operates within established rules that have been accepted across different schools for over 1,200 years. Scholarly disagreement doesn't translate to unreliability it shows thorough evaluation not rejection. Daʿif does not serve as evidence for legal or doctrinal matters, which is exactly why Islam prevents the acceptance of unreliable reports instead of concealing them. What you refer to as dishonesty is in fact a transparent form of self-critique, something that many other traditions do not permit.

Exploring disagreement using objective criteria is not subjectivity!

Let me ask you a question.

Lets test your objective criteria!
If a person is a known liar or fraudulent in character is in the chain of an hadith, according to the science of hadiths, is his hadith graded as Maudu or Daif or ultimately REJECTED?
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Do you accept that, If your science is exact, you surely must be able to give a repeatable and consistent factual response of objective action.

WhizdomXX:
Include Jonathan and when you recall that OBJ and Buhari where already military head of states before they became President, you see that the cycle is complete.
For your earlier poser, the current and the past governor of my State, were one time member of the house of assembly representing their LGA and local government chairman of their LGA respectively. Same goes for Wike, Plateau and a host of others too many to mention.

You are not getting my point as I already gave you exceptions. Nigeria's Fourth Republic began in 1999, featuring elected civilian governors across its 36 states, with approximately 250 unique individuals serving due to multiple terms, acting roles, and impeachments.

Of these almost 250 different governors, how many cane from the grass roots of first being a local government chairman? If you count from thecfirst republic, we have over 560 governors. How many become Local government chairman before becoming governors.

This means that the probability of rising through the ranks to becoming a president is a joke taken too far!


Again: So, the question you should ask yourself is: What are the criteria used in determining who becomes a governor or president in Nigeria

honesttalk21:
No. And that is exactly the point. Scholars are indeed capable of assessing reports, and the very fact that this narration is subject to debate indicates that the system is functioning properly, not failing. Hadith science was designed to distinguish between authentic reports and weak ones which is why scholars will openly classify a narration as ḥasan or ḍaif when a narrator is either unknown or lacks strong precision, as you mentioned. This disagreement isn't a matter of confusion regarding the truth; rather, it reflects methodological integrity.

You just told me that the grading of hadiths is NOT an exact science as it is subjective.

You also very well know that the only hadith that is considered as useless in Islam is the Maudu Hadiths. Daif Hadiths are not necessarily false and Muslim scholars use it a lot in their mosques.

The only problem occurs when Muslims have to deny a Hadith they consider as shameful or problematic when they are discussing with Christians.

Islam many times CANNOT be trusted even with their own sources. Even Allah is thrown under the bus by Muslim scholars if they do not like what he has said. There is always a dissenting voice among your scholars concerning even the mundane subject

Is it possible to debate a person who had decided to be dishonest with his facts and information?

WhizdomXX:
I'm being realistic Sir. To become a president in Nigeria, one often starts from his State of LGA.

You are not being realistic o! This is what you have been told.

As of today, there is NOT one single local government chairman that had become the governor of their state. If you know one, please, let me know from the fourth republic.

And I am sure you know that only Yaradua and Tinubu are the only governors who have become presidents in Nigeria.

So, the question you should ask yourself is: What are the criteria used in determining who becomes a governor or president in Nigeria

Ohyoudidnt:
You exactly prove my point that you will more likely get in then learn perharps without results.

Nigeria's electricity issue isn't about generation. The installed capacity stands at approximately 13–14 GW; even if 4–5 GW at most actually reach consumers because the transmission and distribution systems are unable to handle more.

Power plants frequently remain idle due to grid limitations and non-payment issues. Distribution serves as the financial bottleneck, plagued by significant losses, inadequate collection efforts, and unpaid government bills.

Increasing generation without addressing evacuation and payment will lead to wasted capacity. This challenge cannot be resolved solely through presidential determination within an 18-month timeframe.

I see you don't even know Barth Nnaji 's submissions. Do better non hasty research.

I am so sorry, I don't know why the bots deleted my post.

I am not sure Nigeria ever generated more than 7GW of power at any time since inception. I stand to be corrected.

Please confirm!

The problem of national grid shutdown is usually caused when one generator suddenly packs up resulting in a spike in load on the other generators because we are not generating enough power. This sudden spike causes overload on the other generators so that they shut down (for their protection).

Switching them back on has to be sequential with load being systematically added on the national grid until it aligns with the magnitude of supply. This is what causes the national grid collapse we often witness.

We are stressing the generation because of underproduction of power. Even, a shut down of a distribution node is enough to cause an instability in the network synchronization.

If we increase the generation, we will witness fewer national grid collapse and we can then begin to increase the distribution network capacity.

erniok:
We have a serious power distribution problem is our hands. We have too much power losses like the OP stated. Let's not underrate that part.

I agree but when we "under-generate" power, isn't that a major problem?

If we can generate up to 10GW, the next would be to gradually upgrade the existing distribution system.

Even the distribution problem is more of a problem of sudden drop in power from one or two of the generating stations. Large drop in power causes instability in the network and hence a trip-off. The trip-off requires then to take off all the generating stations off line and begin sequencing them one by one while doing the same with distribution so as not to overload the system.

This is the problem!

bamsz:
Sorry to burst your bubble, unfortunately power infrastructure is not plucking mangoes on the tree, it involves complex coordination, breaking supply chain and man power hurdles, not to even talk of initial planning that goes into the whole process, it will be magical if you build 10GW in 5 years.

This is what they have projected as narrative to why they have been failing.

Nigeria needs 10GW, we generate less than 4GW.

Tell me,
1. Do we have the energy source to achieve this?
2. Is Gas-turbine technology Rocket Science?

Why do you think our politicians left the obvious problem of generation to face the problem of distribution?

WhizdomXX:
Start from your LGA or State.

Myopic reasoning sir.
What you are telling me is that if YOU are given required resources and power to solve the Nigeria electricity problem, you are guaranteed to FAIL!?

Some problems are impossible to solve ground-up.
It will be a waste of time and effort.

Ohyoudidnt:
When you get the opportunity the reality of outside the norm challenges will become obvious to you. What did Bola Ige of blessed memory say? Fashola I think also spoke. Nnaji was quite technical but got swallowed and discarded by the system, politics and perharps some personal ambition. You think you understand the rot in the equipment and system? You will be surprised.

The problem of Electricity in Nigeria is two or three folds
1. Corruption
2. Politics
3. Political will of the president

Anyone with fair technical competence know that the FIRST problem of Electricity in Nigeria is NOT distribution but Generation . We need nothing less than 10GW of Electricity but we generate at best 4GW.

These people know this, but it is easier for them to make money from distribution. How can one solve a problem of distributing what is not available in the first place?

Except the President himself doesn't want the problem of power generation solved, give me 18 months, I will solve the problem.

honesttalk21:
Are there hadith of similar wording or context graded Sahih? There indeed is the point outside these 2 narrators are there chains without them?

Are you telling me that Muslim scholars cannot make up their mind about what is real and untrue in Islam?

Moderator101:
Source: https://www.thecable.ng/why-no-nigerian-leader-can-fix-power-in-one-year/

Give me 18 months and I will deliver at least 10GW electrical power to Nigerians.

The problem is when politicians and businesses men are put in charge of national assets

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Laughing.. so Hadith Hasan is weak? Lol

By who are those narrators condemned?

I can see how serious you suddenly become and I do not want to waste your time.

This is exactly what you Muslims do when as Christians we challenge you with evidence from Hadiths. It is them Muslims will jump upon the isnad of the hadith as excuse to tear it down. They forget that only Maudu Hadiths can not be trusted as even Daif hadiths pass the credibility test. The fact that isnad isn't perfect doesn't mean that the hadith is false.

I won't distort what your hadiths as as you are very correct according to the hadith that no Muslim man should pray with his hair braided.

Have a nice day sir!

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Laughing.. so Hadith Hasan is weak? Lol

By who are those narrators condemned?

If some Sahih Bukhari Hadiths or Sahih Muslim Hadiths can be classified as Daif or even Maudu, how much more the ones that have in the chain one person who is unreliable

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Your dalil.. proofs. Explain the chain of narration

The grade is Hasan and not Sahih isn't it?

Let me give you my reasons from the chain of transmission

1. Abu Sa'd, is a man from the people of Madinah is unknown
2. Mukhāwil ibn Rāshid is considered fairly trustworthy but with bad memory and precision, making him a weak narrator


Therefore, no one should trust this hadith

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Your research isn't completed. This hadith I'm going to post will nullify everything you have said



Hadith

"حَدَّثَنَا بَكْرُ بْنُ خَلَفٍ، حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدُ بْنُ الْحَارِثِ، عَنْ شُعْبَةَ، ح وَحَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، أَخْبَرَنِي مُخَوَّلُ بْنُ رَاشِدٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا سَعْدٍ، - رَجُلاً مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ - يَقُولُ رَأَيْتُ أَبَا رَافِعٍ مَوْلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ رَأَى الْحَسَنَ بْنَ عَلِيٍّ وَهُوَ يُصَلِّي وَقَدْ عَقَصَ شَعْرَهُ فَأَطْلَقَهُ أَوْ نَهَى عَنْهُ وَقَالَ نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ أَنْ يُصَلِّيَ الرَّجُلُ وَهُوَ عَاقِصٌ شَعْرَهُ ‏.‏"

Mukhawwal said:
“I heard Abu Sa’d, a man from the people of Madinah, say: ‘I saw Abu Rafi’, the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), when he saw Hasan bin ‘Ali performing prayer, with his hair braided. He undid it, or told him not to do that, and said: “The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) forbade a man from performing prayer with his hair braided.”

Hasan (Darussalam)

Sunan Ibn Majah, 1042
In-Book Reference: Book 5, Hadith 240
English Reference: Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 1042

This hadith is fabricated!

iamrealdeji:
You shut up if you know nothing about Islam. There are dos and don't for Prophet Muhammad s.a.w and we the ummah. All the wives he married are in accordance with command from Allah. Some were married for political reasons like ending feuds of communities that predate him and resolve issues that have been around for centuries,lots of the ladies threw themselves at him to be their protector after the demise of their husbands,and all of those wives were instrumental In spreading different laws of Islam,only our mother Aisha alone brought over 2000 hadiths,so are other wives of Prophet too,the wives were more like tools of Allah to spread several Islamic laws and practices of prophet Muhammad s.a.w(Sunnah). Prophet has much more deprivations of worldly enjoyments than we the ummah,he must not consume free lunch, everything he has must be given to charity all the time,he prayed from night till morning everyday that his legs used to swell from sitting on them all the time during prayers,he must rise up even during his discomfort all the time when he's needed for anything. If you can't say anything sensible,kindly shut your mouths and don't give me nonsense replies

Mr Rashduct4luv
Mr AntiChristian

Strange that you think you are making sense


Only in your religion is the head above the laws of the God of his religion.

My Questions:
1. Is it true that Sauda had to trade her coital turn for Aisha to remain married to Muhammad because the Prophet lost interest in Sawda as she grew older and more fat?
2. is it true that according to Umar the father of Hafsa in Sahih muslim:1479a that Mohammed did not love Hafsa his wife?
3. Is it true that Mohammed defiled the bed of his wife Hafsa with her slave girl Maria the Copt?
4. Is it true that your prophet impregnated the housegirl of his wife and gave birth to a boy called ibrahim?
5. Is it true that mohammed prefered to say in Aisha's room even when it wasn't her turn according to Sahih al-Bukhari 5217
6. Is it true for your prophet that it was rumoured that if his eyes fall on any muslim man's wife, the husband must divorce her for your prophet to Nikah her?
Have you read Tafsir reporting on Zaynab bint Jahsh the wife of the good muslim man called Zaid?
7. Is it true that your prophet entered into the house of a married Muslim man in his absence to a point when he swooned under her looks enough to exclaim "Praised be Allah the one who makes my heart to flip for you"? (Tabari, Ibn Sa’d)

poshestmina:
Big Tee!!!

I too love this woman, but,the night i saw her with her husband, they were looking angry.

I just face elevator mirror 🪞 😅

Very normal behaviour between husbands and wives. Sometimes, one small thing will just scatter the two of you until you resolve it.

Fenrir:
For clarity: declining to answer questions that assume their own conclusion is not “avoidance”. It is the objection.
I repeatedly asked you to justify the inference your questions rely on. That request was never addressed.
Anyone reading can judge that for themselves.
Have a good day.

In have spoken!
Have a nice day!

Fenrir:
That’s fine. Have a good day.
For the record, refusing to answer loaded questions that presuppose a conclusion is not “rambling”. It’s basic critical reasoning.
I repeatedly asked you to JUSTIFY the inference your questions rely on. You chose repetition and pressure instead. That’s your choice.
Anyone reading can see the difference between refusing to comply and being unable to respond.
All the best.

It is on record that you refused to answer simple questions because you realise how hastily you have jumped to your conclusions.

Fear of picking issues one at a time had also affected you and muddling up discussion is your escape mechanism.

You gave a challenge
Your challenge was answered
You avoid scrutiny!

You cannot be helped with this stance!

Again,
Have a nice day!

Fenrir:
Hush...be quiet...

Your tactics won’t work on me.
I don’t respond to demands for obedience without justification. “Answer because I said so” is not how I was raised. I was taught to challenge claims, to ask why, and to reject authority that cannot explain itself.
What you’re asking for is compliance. What I’m offering is engagement. Those are not the same thing.
You’ve had multiple opportunities to justify your foundation. Instead of doing that, you’ve repeated the same questions and escalated the tone, hoping insistence will substitute for reasoning.
It won’t.
If your argument were sound, it wouldn’t require intimidation, forced formats, or yes/no traps to function. The fact that it does tells me everything I need to know about the strength of the foundation you’re defending

Have a nice day then.

I don't have time for one who cannot objectively face the TRUTH even when it doesn't go their way.

Four simple questions and all you get is ramblings!?
SMH!

Fenrir:
You are still not engaging with the core objection.
Restating your process, repeating the questions, or insisting on short yes/no answers does not address the problem I have already raised.
Your questions are not independent tests of a premise. They are structured to force agreement by narrowing the response space until only one conclusion appears available. That is why I am refusing the frame.
To be explicit:
Questions 1–3 hinge on current limits of experimental knowledge. A lack of present evidence for abiogenesis or laboratory synthesis does not logically imply intelligence, design, or an “uncaused first cause”. “We do not yet know” is not a scientific bridge to metaphysical conclusions.
Question 4 relies on analogy. That analogy only works because we already possess independent empirical knowledge of builders, painters, and designers. You do not have equivalent prior observation of universes being designed. Without that, the analogy cannot be generalised. I have already stated this, and repeating the analogy does not repair it.
You also do not get to restrict answers to “yes or no” when the validity of the inference itself is what is being challenged. Reducing complex epistemological issues to forced binaries is not scientific rigor, it is rhetorical pressure.
This is not “haphazard splashing”. It is a direct challenge to your foundation.
So before proceeding to “point 2”, answer this clearly:
Explain how you justify moving from
“we currently lack evidence for X”
to
“therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists”
without committing an argument from ignorance or a category error.
Until that inferential bridge is justified, your sequence of points, however orderly, rests on an unsupported assumption.
If you want debate, address that.
If you repeat the questions again, you are simply confirming the avoidance.
Your move. Or be quiet.

Sorry!
Either you engage or shut up.

Four questions and you can even answer one!

The highlight show that you are not reading for comprehension because I already told you that

Note: I never said:
You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.... therefore God!
A Building is the evidence of a Builder... therefore God.
A painting is the evidence of a Painter... therefore God!

But because you don't read for comprehension, that's exactly what you read.

Answer the FOUR short Questions if truely you want to engage

ogaontop:
May her soul find peace with the Lord!!

Can someone knowledgeable educate us on remedy for snake bite in matters like this to save life. Be it medically, scientifically, herbally, native ways or otherwise.
Thank you in advance!!!

The only solution is to get anti-venom from a hospital. Except if one is lucky that the snake bit but didn't inject much venom.

There is not one anti-venom that works for all snakes. The anti-venoms are snake type specific