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petesunday:
So many people are ignorant due to western propaganda against Russia. Below are the reasons Russia is fighting Ukraine:


1. Ukraine was pummeling the Russian enclave near the Russian border and amassing thousands of troops in preparation for an escalation. This is a gross violation of Minsk agreements already.

2. Ukraine announced openly that it would join NATO, a military alliance actively working towards destroying Russia.

3. At the same time, USA stepped up its military and biolab activities in Ukraine, sending tons of ammunition into the country

4. Russia still did not invade but began to amass troops on its borders with Ukraine, thinking the threat of invasion will make Ukraine back down

5. Russia then began to openly lay down its complaints but all fell on deaf ears. Instead, the western media continued to spread the news that Russia wants to invade an innocent Ukraine. Is Ukraine innocent?

6. Russia then, formally accepted the breakaway regions on Donetsk and Luhansk and sent in its troops

7. At the same time, they sent an expeditionary force from the north to threaten Kiev, thinking again that Kiev would become scared and backtrack. The Russians underestimated the level to which the western powers had armed and prepared Ukraine for 8 years.

8. The rest is history. If Russia wanted, they could have gone total war on Ukraine from the beginning but they thought they could still reason with them as brothers

How dumb!?
SMH!

Ghostagain:
I see a lot of ignorant Nigerians and nafo fools wishing for ww3. I only hope you know that most of us will die in ww3. Once the nuclear bombs start flying, the USA has a doctrine in which it has to reduce the population of other countries which are not involved in the nuclear war in order to not have a situation in which the USA becomes a small minority compared to other nations. I bet China and Russia have the same policy. In short, there will be a mushroom cloud near your windows.

ww3 is the war in which we all die. It is alarming to see this amount of fools dancing on a shaky cliff.

Third world war will not affect Africa!
You will be surprised that China will NOT participate unless they see that USA has already been brought to their knees.
India is not stupid to join in what doesn't concern it.

Russia is only whining like a hurt puppy. They don't have the army again. Mother Russia is now an illusion.

The TRUTH is that Nuclear bombs alone cannot win a war and this is where Russia has missed it

honesttalk21:
Oh! Do you now say Mary the wife of Cleophad was a disciple?
Mary Magdalene too?
Mary the mother of Jesus too was a disciple?

Did the Bible not clearly say who the disciples are?

Too bad that you don't know that EVERY follower of Jesus is first a Disciple. Even an Apostle is first a Disciple.

Mat 27:57:
"When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:"

honesttalk21:
4. You say John was there yet Matthew 26:56, says all the disciples forsook him and fled. Is this not a contradiction?
Even at that why will just one out of 11 witness since the 12th is said to be the betrayer ?

Common sense did not tell you that some of the Disciples who fled can return to follow Jesus so as to monitor the case of His judgement?

John 18:15-16:
"And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple: that disciple was known to the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace of the high priest. But Peter stood at the door without. Then went out that other disciple, which was known to the high priest, and spoke to her that kept the door, and brought in Peter."

Mat 26:69-75:
"Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came to him, saying, You also were with Jesus of Galilee. But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what you say. And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said to them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth. And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man. And after a while came to him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely you also are one of them; for your speech denudes you. Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew. And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said to him, Before the cock crow, you shall deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly."

Sorry sir!

honesttalk21:
Your other apologists make a lot of reference to the number of times Jesus is mentioned in the Quran compared to the mentions of prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Interesting you don't align with them here.

Now I need to clarify what you understand as the meaning of messiah as used in the Quran to answer you.

The Messiah means NOTHING in the Qur'an: it's just the title copied from the Christians who call Jesus the Messiah.

FYI: Jews Never Ever call Jesus the Messiah!

I know what the Christians and Jews mean by the term Messiah "the Anointed One" who is to Rule the earth and bring restoration and judgment to the whole world from Jerusalem for all eternity

What does Allah or Qur'an mean by the title "the Messiah"?

honesttalk21:
Do you have reports of Islamic clerics performing human sacrifice and stating Allah directed them to do so?

I have read a Christian cleric raping a young girl and making her abort claiming to be inspired/directed by God.
Do these clerics not tell the congregation that God is not poor to encourage them to give high value tites even from questionable sources.

Ask them , aren't you the Muslim!?

honesttalk21:
Does the Quran say someone else was killed instead of Jesus?
The verse states it was only made to appear so.
Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions.

Here is what Sahih International translation said (is this my translation?)

Surah An-Nisa 4:157
"And [for] their saying, 'Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.' And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."

Can you then explain the statement from Sahih International translation but [another] was made to resemble him to them. ?

honesttalk21:
How this was made to appear is not described by Allah. That is a mystery and amongst the secrets of the unknown.

Meaning that Allah aka Mohammed doesn't have any reason nor superior arguments against the statement of the bible detailing Jesus's crucifixion, death, resurrection and assumption.

honesttalk21:
It goes on further to say those who argue have no knowledge and only make assumptions.

How many prepositions are there?
1. Allah saved him and he escaped this humiliation.
2. Simon took his semblance and was crucified.
3. Judas took his semblance and was crucified.
4. A young disciple took his semblance and was crucified.
5. He was crucified but didn't die however this negates the verse that states he was neither crucified nor killed.
6. He escaped to India
7. He escaped to France
8. He escaped to France and then to India?

Of a truth, it is you Muslims who have the most of the several conjectures.
Some say Judas was the one killed
Some say it was John that was killed
Others say it was Joseph of Arimathea
And others like you don't know the answer

honesttalk21:
3. Must Jesus have been taken up in the presence of anyone? Was Enoch taken away in the presence of anyone?
Do you demand similar proof as is the case of Elijah yet you say Jesus is greater than Elijah. Last statement derived as the opinion you profuse is that Jesus is the greatest.

Is anyone disputing about Enoch? No!
But two books acclaimed to be the books of God contract each other: meaning that one of the two books is the imposter and contains lies.

Hence, except your God doesn't know exactly what happened but is himself following a conjecture or speaking outright lies, you got no case.

honesttalk21:
4. I have answered this before. The Jews rejected him as their expected messiah and have good reason to.

The Jews stick to their rebellon against God.

This wasn't the question I asked you. Listen carefully:

Allah said that the Jews SAY:
'Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.'


There can be MANY Messengers of God
HOWEVER
There can only be ONE Messiah !

And the Jews are affirmative that they killed their ONLY Messiah : Why?

honesttalk21:
5. Why will Allah wait? You ask questions of the creator beyond your person?
It's been 2000 years since the crucifixion why has Jesus not returned to fulfil what you say he left to fulfil at a later time.

2000 years compared to 600 years please which is more and should be worried about?

Jesus is waiting for the number of the Children of God will increase to His determined number. If He came almost immediately, less than 500 people would have entered paradise.

Now, answer my own questions
Why did Allah wait for 600 years for Christians whom he personally Deceived along with both the Romans and Jews BEFORE making a correction that explained NOTHING and answered NO single question to correct the deception he put them in?

honesttalk21:
6. Repeating yourself in one speech for emphasis or What?

You are feigning blind and dumb again.

Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Yes or No!?

honesttalk21:
The psalms are traditionally attributed to David, who expresses trust in God as a refuge. However, its application extends beyond David to include prophetic implications regarding Jesus Christ.

Psalm 91 is seen as having a unique fulfillment in Jesus or isn't it?

Jesus was protected from various dangers throughout His ministry such as escaping from attempts on His life from birth according to the biblical narrative.

The New Testament references these verses directly during the temptation of Christ reported in Matthew 4:6, where Satan quotes Psalm 91 to tempt Jesus into testing God’s protection.

Ps 91 applies to every one who depends on God.
QED!

Except you can show me how Jesus did not strike his foot upon the stone and show that Jesus lived to be an old man.

Other than this, you are just wasting time for the bible says that Jesus was crucified AND Jesus died AND Jesus was buried AND Jesus resurrected from the dead AND Jesus was taken up to heaven in the presence of his disciples!

Khd95:
Russia vs over 30 NATO allies, I think outing know what he's doing.


He's slowly draining the resources of these NATO countries, because if you check the equipments and funds pledged to Ukraine already, to prosecute this war, it would be nesting that of WW2.


Imagine this same amount of money was pledged into bettering the lives of the people

Zelensky should have chosen peace instead of war, instead he wanted to prove a point..because the united states was backing them??

Go and check, after the world war 2 ended, no nation the united states supported in times of war have ever come out victorious, zelensky should have learnt from that

When we pray that what has befallen Ukraine should befall you so that you can take the path of wisdom you advocate for Zelensky, you will say we are cursing you.

So, what can we do but look at you with pity!

honesttalk21:
Someone is indeed having trouble booting. What has Psalm 92 got to do directly with this discussion?

Specifically you agree that Matthew 4:6 has a relation/ reference to the scripture in Psalm 91:11-12 or you rather lie that there's no relation?

Is Jesus excluded from who Psalm 91:11-12 refers to? If yes I can drop the argument.

You must have noticed that my reference was in error as I intended to reference Ps91 and not Ps92.
It's my error there.
Unfortunately, it doesn't change anything with what I've said because you said:

honesttalk21:
Indeed Psalm 91 isn't exclusively about Jesus however who else is documented to be tempted by Satan as reported in Mark 4:If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:He will command his angels concerning you,and they will lift you up in their hands,so that you will not strike your foot against a stone in reference to Psalm 91:11-12?

Why does only this part of Psalm 91 refer particularly to Jesus and not the rest?
...

Thus, my case is made. Correct it if you will it's Ps 91 and not Ps 92

honesttalk21:
The verse 4:157 clearly states that Jesus was neither crucified nor killed. The claim of another replacing him is not a direct interpretation of the arabic in that verse. Oh you will likely say you don't know enough arabic to discern that. What a pity.

You are the one arrogantly trying to correct Allah by rejecting his revelation.
Quran 4:155 : But for their violation of their covenant, and their denial of God’s revelations, and their killing of the prophets unjustly, and their saying, “Our minds are closed.” In fact, God has sealed them for their disbelief, so they do not believe, except for a few.

Of cause Allah aka Mohammed told a big lie in the Qur'an and couldn't even justify the lie intelligently.

Otherwise, answer my questions with details of what happened:
Let's assume that your claims are true and Jesus was neither killed nor crucified
1. Who was killed instead of Jesus?
2. Why did Allah decide to deceive Mary the mother of Jesus with ALL the disciples of Jesus with the Romans and Jews?
3. In whose presence was Jesus taken up to heaven (any evidence)?
4. Why would the Jews killed their Messiah?
5. Why did Allah wait for 600 years after creating Christianity before telling them that Jesus wasn't killed nor crucified?
6. Why would the Jews kill their Messiah?

honesttalk21:
Now you confidently admit the pastors exploit the gospel for a worldly gain of followers in their church? Not followers of God seeking the everlasting salvation not just earthy?

Is the following and membership for God or the pastors church? Please don't humour too much at this point.

As if pastors are not human beings!
When islamic clerics are performing human sacrifices to do rituals for money for their clients are they practicing Islam ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3kt4gH1v0?si=1W6qBU__M1rYm8oI

honesttalk21:
Limited information about Jesus being the messiah in the Quran you say yet you boast Jesus is mentioned more than prophet Muhammad pbuh isn't it? Is this your contradiction?

When did you ever here me boast of the number of times Jesus appeared in the book of the Antichrist?
Answer my questions and stop running away:
Regarding the limited information of Jesus being the Messiah in the Qur'an, does that invalidate the fact the He is the Messiah?
Regarding the limited information of Jesus being taken to Allah in paradise, does it invalidate that Jesus was with Allah?

honesttalk21:
I don't understand your response. Does Messiah equate to the crucified? Messiah; al-Masih

One disciple is referred to. Is this one of many others? Who were these disciples that witnessed the crucifixion of Jesus according to your bible? What happened to Mary after the disciple took her to his home? Did she mourn the disgraceful death of Jesus and sorrow?
Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved ,

Are you Blind. I gave you the exact names of the disciples such as
1. Mary the wife of Cleophas,
2.Mary Magdalene.
3. Mary the mother of Jesus
4. One of the apostles of Jesus "John" who refers to himself as the Disciple that Jesus loved

Yes, Mary and Allah the disciples mourned the disgraceful, painful and humiliating death of Jesus Christ.

BUT after the third day, their sorrows turned to Joy because they saw the risen Christ. They stopped being afraid to witness to what they have seen. They rejoiced in the face of death proclaiming the death , resurrection and going up to heaven of Jesus.

Too bad this makes you sad!

honesttalk21:
Are you an apostle of Jesus? Basilidians believe in Jesus or do you state otherwise?

Do you Muslims also claim you believe in Jesus?
How are you different?

honesttalk21:
You wrote that the Messiah was supposed to establish Israel over all the nations of the world well did he?

Is Jesus coming back again?
Yes or No!

honesttalk21:
The Quran states walakin shubbiha lahum which translates to but it was made to appear so to them. This phrase implies that those who claimed they killed Jesus were under an illusion or misunderstanding it doesn't definitely say someone else or another was crucified. Again it does not definitively state that someone else was crucified in his place.

If the Jews experienced an illusion, then they saw something isn't it?
This illusion WAS MADE TO APPEAR to them by Allah?

Can you tell us the Illusion the Jews saw to believe that they killed Jesus!

honesttalk21:
You believe in writings allegedly done by Paul and I point you to what he clearly stated which you fail to comprehend. The peak of deception is the plainly obvious one. He tells you exactly what he is doing and you still fall for it.

I did not address what Paul wrote, I addressed your own folly.
And I asked you a simple question which you dodged. Let me present it again to you and bolded so that you won't claim you didn't see it

Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Yes or No!?

honesttalk21:
Indeed Psalm 91 isn't exclusively about Jesus however who else is documented to be tempted by Satan as reported in Mark 4:If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:He will command his angels concerning you,and they will lift you up in their hands,so that you will not strike your foot against a stone in reference to Psalm 91:11-12?

Why does only this part of Psalm 91 refer particularly to Jesus and not the rest?

Thanks at least for being honourable to admit that Ps 92 is not exclusively about Jesus. This was why I asked you questions about the divergences in the narrative of Ps 92 to Jesus.

Satan used the scripture because it suited his purpose. He wanted Jesus to jump down from a height where everyone would see him and know that He is the Messiah and in case Jesus doubted that his method would work, he brought out the scripture of God's promise to protect His Own from dashing his foot on the stone.

Jesus replied,
It is written, you shall not tempt the Lord your God!

honesttalk21:
Do you know for certain Jesus didn't leave to an old age? I will share another video which is in line with one of the theories in the second video.

It also goes along with the conclusion about Quran 4:157.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5NJ16BWUWU?si=SGFTa6yfs4lHHc-T
You see reference to Paul, Jesus getting married etc.

According, to Allah, is it true that Jesus went to Kashmir in India, got married, had children, died and was buried?
It just again proves that just as Islam, so many cults and organisations are wishing that Jesus wasn't crucified for the sin of mankind and thus to conclude that redemption is not through Him

Can you see why you are trying too hard to correct Allah?

honesttalk21:
Is this why many pastors preach so much about earthy wealth?😉

Even though the message of the Gospel isn't strictly exclusively ONLY about redemption through the sacrifice of Christ, In the cause of preaching, Anyone can choose to major in the minor of the gospel for the sake of increased followership and membership.

honesttalk21:
Regarding Mary other than limited information stated in your Bible about her around the crucifixion why is there not any more information? Deliberate attempt not to get exposed? Does your Bible say she was deceived? Of course not as there was no need for that.

Regarding the limited information of Jesus being the Messiah in the Qur'an, does that invalidate the fact the He is the Messiah?
Regarding the limited information of Jesus being taken to Allah in paradise, does it invalidate that Jesus was with Allah?

Same argument!

honesttalk21:
Which of the disciples actually witnessed the crucifixion?

John 19:25-27:
"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's[b][/b] sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved , he said to his mother, Woman, behold your son! Then said he to the disciple, Behold your mother! And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."

honesttalk21:
What do you know of the Basilidians and what became of them?

Are they Apostles of Jesus?
What concerns the discussion of Islam with you the Ahmadiyya or Shia or Alawites or Ismailis?
Do I impose their beliefs on you as the correct Islam?

honesttalk21:
Has Israel been established over all other nations?

Were/Are Christians in a position to taunt the Romans? Did the Romans not rule over them?
Did Nero, Decius and Valerian not severely persecute christians or Diocletian not try to eradicate them?

It seems you don't get it.
If they insisted that Jesus resurrected from the dead and died for it, why not just perfect it by saying that Jesus wasn't the one crucified but Judas or Simon or John etc. but that he disappeared to heaven.

You got no case

honesttalk21:
Does your Bible not boldly say in
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 "Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false.

and

Romans 1:25, it states, “They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator?

Well you will argue that Jesus is not a creature but you commonly refer to him as second Adam yet the first Adam is created.

LOL!
How desperate have you become. You quote the same Paul that you alluded created christianity and trinity as your defence!?

Of cause, Jesus is God the Word that became perfectly human like us.
John 1:1-3 , John 1:10-11,14:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."



Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Yes or No!?

honesttalk21:
Perhaps it doesn't exclusively refer to Jesus however it is sufficient that you see how it refers to him.

1. The claim that Jesus died at age 33 doesn't agree with Psalm 91:15-16; I will deliver him and honor him with long life I will satisfy him
and show him my salvation.
Besides it is a false and wrong claim that he died at this age.

Another point is did Elijah or Enoch die?

Even though Ps91 is not exclusively referring to Jesus
The question is : Did Jesus live to be an old man on earth? No!
Yo might want to tell us when he left this world.
Then he didn't have a long life

honesttalk21:
2. Is it only safety from falls from heights that is spoken of?

Is there not "He will call on me, and I will answer him, I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him?

Did Jesus according to your Bible not call on God so the cup will pass over him? Is this selective acceptance of your Biblical scripture?
In any case the apocrypha was selected out wasn't it?

Does apocrypha not interpreted to mean relating to mystery due to its association with hidden knowledge?

Is how Jesus was saved from shameful crucifixion and raised unto Allah not a mystery till date?

I don't get the essence or context of the thousands who fell by the right and left hand of Jesus. Maybe you may explain?

You are trying too hard to correct Allah and make his goof right.
If you insist that Ps 91 is exclusively referring to Jesus, then you must explain ALSO the issue of not dashing his foot against the stone sir!

The salvation is about the coming back to LIFE of the Jesus that was supposed to be killed.so that he will see us His descendants
Can you interpret this verse about the Messiah

Isaiah 53:10
"Yet it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand."

honesttalk21:
Your following questions are strange.
1. Does the Quran say someone was crucified in place of Jesus?

Allah says that the Jews said they killed the Messiah, Isa the son of Mary and Allah did not

Here is what Sahih International translation said (is this my translation?)

Surah An-Nisa 4:157
"And [for] their saying, 'Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.' And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."

honesttalk21:
2. Where is it said that Mary was deceived or do you derive that from imagination? What does your Bible say?

Do you have any iota of evidence that Mary was not Deceived by Allah?
Do you have any iota of evidence that the Disciples of Jesus were not Deceived by Allah?

For your information, I can show you that Jesus spoke to Mary on the Cross and Jesus spoke to John his disciple from the cross.

Why did Allah deceive Mary?

Here is Mary, the brothers of Jesus and the Disciples worshipping together AFTER the resurrection of Jesus
Acts 1:13-14
"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where stayed both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers."

Bring your evidence that Mary and the Disciples were aware that Jesus was not crucified

honesttalk21:
3. When something is a mystery does it mean it is understood by any? Do you exactly know how life is given or taken from a zygote or dead man? There are mysteries that mankind doesn't exactly understand but speculate about.

There is no mystery here
In whose presence was Jesus taken up to heaven and what is your evidence?

honesttalk21:
4. Of course it is clear why the Jews attempted to kill Jesus. Did they not kill other prophets before him due to their rejection of the truth from God he brought?

The question was:
Why would the Jews killed their Messiah?

The Messiah was supposed to establish Israel over all the nations of the world. The Messiah is different from any prophet, so, explain WHY!

honesttalk21:
5. It is in same light time passed between Adam and the prophet who followed him. God does things at his own time not man's.

For how many millennia has the end of the world been expected? I appreciate your effort but could your question be better thought out?

I understand that without the crucifixion of Jesus there's no Christianity but did Jesus unambiguously forbid or condemn Judaism? Did he clearly instruct that a new religion be formed after him and about him?

How does what you wrote here answer the question:
Why did Allah wait for 600 years after creating Christianity before telling them that Jesus wasn't killed nor crucified?

The author of the Qur'an is either a fraud or a chronic Liar for he doesn't make any sense.

Which of the Disciples, Mary or Brothers of Jesus was aware that Jesus wasn't killed.

Do you think it makes sense for Christians choosing not to taunt the Romans and the Jews that Jesus escaped the crucifixion?


You answered not a single question sir:

Let's assume that your claims are true and Jesus was neither killed nor crucified
1. Who was killed instead of Jesus?
2. Why did Allah decide to deceive Mary the mother of Jesus with ALL the disciples of Jesus with the Romans and Jews?
3. In whose presence was Jesus taken up to heaven (any evidence)?
4. Why would the Jews killed their Messiah?
5. Why did Allah wait for 600 years after creating Christianity before telling them that Jesus wasn't killed nor crucified?


I will love if you have a logical and reasonable answers for the above questions.

MindHacker9009:
Yer Sir! Because Jesus Christ was the first to use a JetPack two thousand years ago when no one then knew about a JetPack and even today only the very rich can afford a JetPack. He could have ascended up on a donkey but instead He ascended in up style with a JetPack.

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WritterNg:
If Ukraine is ordinary then what will you call the ragtag goat herders Taliban that took the United States 20 years and $4 Trillion to fight?

Only to still lose 😂 🤣


You're the biggest fool here because your comment here just shows you've not been following the war.

Over 100,000 foreign fighters from all over the world are currently fighting for Ukraine. Paid by the US.

When Russia starts leveling all of Ukraine, including schools and hospitals, it's still fools like you that will accuse them of violating human rights and start tagging UN, WHO, UNICEF and all the other useless organizations

Cc TenQ

How many people are afraid when Putin barks?
None!
Why?
It's an empty bark.

A nation without a Navy destroyed a third of Russia's naval fleet.
I also heard that for almost two weeks now, small Ukraine invaded Russia and took some 90 communities. It seems the Bear is yet to wake up from slumber

frankson1:
How long has it taken Israel even with full invasion

Putin is toying with the West and Russia will drag this fight till further notice.

I heard that for almost two weeks now, small Ukraine invaded Russia and took some 90 communities. It seems the Bear is yet to wake up from slumber

WriterNig:
Where are those 🤡 that swore that Russia cannot enter or attack a NATO country? Or is this not an attack?

Russian missiles and drones have been hitting NATO countries since 2022. And what does NATO do? They issue out statements telling Russia to be responsible lol

Even the Baltic Sea area have been experiencing severe GPS jamming by Russia, forcing Finland, Sweden and co to suspend some flights due to GPS interference. Ships on the Baltic Sea nearly collide into each other due to the jamming. But NATO does a really great job at hiding it from the public.

Those that know Russia very well, know that Russia doesn't rush into taking action. They play the long game, slow and steady. Russia will punish NATO for it's crimes for decades to come.

The United States is lucky it does not share a land border with Russia. It's so called "super power" status would have been put to test by Russia.

It's almost three years now against small Ukraine whose president is even a comedian. This war exposed the loud mouth empty boast that Putin is.

Sorry that you are pained

MindHacker9009:
ROLLS ROYCE SPECTRE: The marque's first all-electric motor car is a prophecy fulfilled. Jesus Christ will be able to give it a full charge that will never run out.

No sir.

Jesus would be riding a work-vehicle as he rode on a DONKEY!

Rich people in Jesus time rode on Horses with Chariots. Donkeys were beast of burden used by farmers and low to mid income people for carrying loads and traveling.

Mat 8:19-20:
"And a certain scribe came, and said to him, Master, I will follow you wherever you go. And Jesus said to him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man has not where to lay his head."

Jesus didn't even have His own personal house

honesttalk21:
The first video makes reference to Psalm 91:10-16. Is this from a book of Islam or the Bible of Christianity?

Do you say it is not a prophesy of the messiah in person of Jesus?

Is this a prophesy that doesn't align with Jesus?

Does Satan not quote Psalm 91 to Jesus in the wilderness (Matt 4:6)?
That is:
6. I f you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

In context of Psalm 91:11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

Does saving Jesus not align with him not being crucified or killed?

Psalm 91:
15 He will call on me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him
and show him my salvation.”

Psalm 91 is not a scripture exclusively referring to the Messiah as it refers to every believer who put his trust in God.

BUT let even if you insist that it is refering to Jesus,
1. Jesus did not live beyond 33 years old on earth (this, he didn't have any long life)
2. Jesus did not come down from any height for which angels would have prevented him from dashing His foot on the stone
3. You may wish to tell us who the thousands are who fell by the right and left hand of Jesus

Unfortunately, these doesn't even solve your problem.

Let's assume that your claims are true and Jesus was neither killed nor crucified
1. Who was killed instead of Jesus?
2. Why did Allah decide to deceive Mary the mother of Jesus with ALL the disciples of Jesus with the Romans and Jews?
3. In whose presence was Jesus taken up to heaven (any evidence)?
4. Why would the Jews killed their Messiah?
5. Why did Allah wait for 600 years after creating Christianity before telling them that Jesus wasn't killed nor crucified?


I will love if you have a logical and reasonable answers for the above questions.

honesttalk21:
@Itchisom: Even if present and historical contexts may present barriers between nobles and ordinary people, both the Bible and core Christian teachings advocate for inclusivity and equality among all individuals. There is no explicit discouragement against nobles mixing with ordinary people; rather, there are numerous examples encouraging such interactions based on love, compassion, and mutual respect.

It can be concluded that the Bible does not discourage nobles from mixing with ordinary ; instead, it promotes inclusivity and equality among all individuals.

Pride goes before a fall. Don't be like Lucifer or Satan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aeOX8tLQKo?si=lhGQ9j914y6L2nk8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOm47lKllQ4?si=Ykqm267-REWzpoMz

Your second video full of assumptions and speculations says that Jesus was crucified BUT did NOT die : is this your position?

The first video is purely Islamic, thus if we assume that it is a true claim you should be able to answer my questions

Let's assume that your claims are true and Jesus was neither killed nor crucified
1. Who was killed instead of Jesus?
2. Why did Allah decide to deceive Mary the mother of Jesus with ALL the disciples of Jesus with the Romans and Jews?
3. In whose presence was Jesus taken up to heaven (any evidence)?
4. Why would the Jews killed their Messiah?
5. Why did Allah wait for 600 years after creating Christianity before telling them that Jesus wasn't killed nor crucified?


I will love if you have a logical and reasonable answers for the above questions.

Thank you!

DeAdvokate:
But Jesus didn't die according to the Glorious Qura'an ...

Sura 4 - Ayat 157

And because they said, “We have killed the Messiah, Eisa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah”; they did not slay him nor did they crucify him, but a look-alike was created for them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they know nothing of it, except the following of assumptions; and without doubt, they did not kill him.

Sura 4 - Ayat 158

In fact Allah raised him towards Himself; and Allah is Almighty, Wise.

Let's assume that your claims are true and Jesus was neither killed nor crucified
1. Who was killed instead of Jesus?
2. Why did Allah decide to deceive Mary the mother of Jesus with ALL the disciples of Jesus with the Romans and Jews?
3. In whose presence was Jesus taken up to heaven (any evidence)?
4. Why would the Jews killed their Messiah?
5. Why did Allah wait for 600 years after creating Christianity before telling them that Jesus wasn't killed nor crucified?


I will love if you have a logical and reasonable answers for the above questions

Jefferyzz:
Last week my mother in-law was sent an iPhone 12, Samsung s23 and Samsung S4 watch from UK, the sender didn't inform me she will be using DHL and I didn't know she will be sending brand new phones. She once used DHL to send few items in the past, so she believed she wouldn't have any problem with them.

She said they charged her close to 200k there to have all 3 items sent.

Item got to Nigeria and I got a link to make a payment of over 1.2m to clear the items. They claim Nigeria custom took over the items after they noticed the original amount was not declared.

The sender declared a total amount of 1,200$.
DHL claimed custom reviewed the amount n inflated it 2500$
The sender after this provided them with screenshot of her purchase from Argos yet this fee wasn't reviewed.

I was advised to go to their stand for airport and negotiate with them which I'll do before the week runs out.

If you've experienced this before or know a way out or you know how I can bring down this amount, kindly drop comment. My number is also available Incase you want to DM. I don't want to go there without knowing how to go about this.

Thanks

Customs are wicked when it comes to this. I am not sure it has any solution unless you directly know the oga at the top.
They know that there is no one you can seek redress with. If the phone stays much longer, they will start charging demurrage on it. If you refuse to come for it after some time, they will claim that it has been auctioned.

Too bad but this is Nigeria: a country where citizens do not matter and where the law is skewed against ordinary people

Ohyoudidnt:
I see you screenshot Quran 5:48 (And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you.)

You choose to ignore as a criterion over it why?

The phrase “as a criterion over it” signifies that the Quran serves as a standard by which previous scriptures are judged. This implies that any inconsistencies or alterations found in earlier texts can be evaluated against the teachings of the Quran.

Because I explained the word translated as criterion and it doesn't mean replace

But the word confirm is even much stronger!


Is it untrue that
the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) is derived from the root word "هَيْمَنَ" (haymana), which generally means to oversee, protect, or safeguard AND not to replace

Ohyoudidnt:
Unfortunately you know so much but are ignorant. Language is a complex and dynamic system that allows for the expression of thoughts, emotions, and ideas. One of its most fascinating aspects is the ability of words to convey meanings that differ from their standard definitions. This phenomenon can occur through various linguistic mechanisms, including metaphor, irony, idioms, and Language is a complex and dynamic system that allows for the expression of thoughts, emotions, and ideas. One of its most fascinating aspects is the ability of words to convey meanings that differ from their standard definitions. This phenomenon can occur through various linguistic mechanisms, including metaphor, irony, idioms, and context. Does the idiom kick the bucket agree with the literal meaning of the phrase?

You get your conviction of Allah having two physical shapes from where? Allah or the statements of other fallible mortals?

The only punishment in the Quran for fornication and adultery is public flogging which is humiliating.


You keep going to hadith to prove the previous existence of a Quran verse? Is there a breach in transmission between whay your eyes read and your brain?

It took about 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad for hadith to be organised do you imply Muslims in this time didn't understand the Quran? Do you not understand most translations of the meaning of the Quran since you don't understand arabic?

The hadith you quote on forbidden marriages is based on Quran 4:23.

Is Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful not clear without the hadith.

Note that the verse and hadith emphasises nurse mothers breastfeeding infants not adults.

Except you are a "Qur'an Only Muslim", you have no authority to explain the Qur'an other than what your hadits and Tafsirs have said. I gave you more than enough EVIDENCES from your sources. To this , you have no say in the matter as you want to modernise your religion.

Sorry.

How can Muslims obey Mohammed outside the Hadiths?

Qur'an 4:80
"He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian."

Qur'an 5:92
"And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware. And if you turn away - then know that upon Our Messenger is only [the responsibility for] clear notification."

Sorry, the truth is most times bitter.

Ohyoudidnt:
...

The passage in Genesis you quote is not but T a physical manifestation of representatives of God before Abraham.

The Quran states in Surah 11:69-70:

“And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing [them] a roasted calf. But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot."

Though the angels appeared in the form of man being unlike man they did not eat


Genesis 18:1-3 does not definitively state whether all three visitors are manifestations of God or if one is distinct from two angels.

The term “three men” in Hebrew can imply that these figures are not merely ordinary humans but rather divine messengers or manifestations. The sudden appearance of these figures could indicate their supernatural nature. While some interpretations suggest that one of these figures is indeed God (a theophany), others argue that they represent angels sent by God.

I was buttressing my point on the angel seen in the fire not being God in my response to your previous post on the Quran 27:8 based on what your Bible presented.

Seeking to understand the relevance of the author first mentioning the Angel then later stating the Lord spoke.

Why don't you explain exactly what happened with Abraham according to the Torah!

Did you not answer it by saying:

The passage in Genesis you quote is not but T a physical manifestation of representatives of God before Abraham.

It was clear that God came with two angel


Gen 18:16-17:
"And the men rose up from there, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;"

Gen 18:22:
"And the men turned their faces from there, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD."

Too bad for you sir

Ohyoudidnt:
Continue your delusion. It is not all that is in the Bible that is arrested to.

In Islam, it is believed that the Torah (Tawrat) and the Gospel (Injil) were original revelations from Allah. However, Muslims hold that these texts have been altered or corrupted over time, and thus not all content within the current versions of the Bible is considered true or consistent with Islamic teachings.

While there may be elements of truth in previous scriptures, Muslims believe that changes and alterations may have occurred in these texts over time.

Allah does not attest that all text contained in the Bible is true
Allah does not attest that all text contained in the Bible is true
In Islamic belief, the Quran affirms the original messages and teachings of previous prophets and scriptures, including the Bible, but it also emphasizes that the Quran is the final and complete revelation from Allah. While there may be elements of truth in previous scriptures, Muslims believe that changes and alterations may have occurred in these texts over time.

The Quran serves as the ultimate criterion and guidance, superseding all previous scriptures. Allah has revealed the Quran as a comprehensive and unaltered guidance for humanity, correcting any discrepancies or alterations that may have occurred in earlier scriptures.

In Surah Al-Maidah, verse 48, Allah mentions:
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method.

Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."

This verse emphasizes that the Quran is revealed as a criterion over previous scriptures, confirming the truth within them and serving as a guidance for humanity. Muslims believe in the authenticity and preservation of the Quran as the final and unaltered revelation from Allah, guiding mankind to the straight path.

It doesn't say all that is in the available copies of the previous scripture is true but confirming what is true in them.


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You just concluded that Allah confirmed that which is error!?

Is it true that the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) is derived from the root word "هَيْمَنَ" (haymana), which generally means to oversee, protect, or safeguard AND not to replace

Does one oversee that which is corrupted?
Probably only islam

Ohyoudidnt:
This obviously is a case of you saying so much you forget yourself. Do you deny categorically stating that who in the translated Quran refers to a person?

I picked out the Arabic word translated to who and point out that interpretation of what is meant not a simple case yet you continue your diarrhea?

Allah claims to travel the Qur'an in a clear and simple Arabic, unfortunately, you Muslims cannot understand the speech of your Allah. It has to be reinterpreted to say what it doesn't plainly say.

Muslims should stop complaining. Arabic is NOT the only Semitic language. Have you heard any Jew or Christian complaining about their scriptures as not translatable or not interpretable

Ohyoudidnt:
Is your scripture not clear that what was seen as a man is an angel?

I however question if it is God or the angel you worship that you reduce your God to manifest in the form of the angel he created and sent on a message!

Does God need to enter into what he created or appear as his creation to express his power? Is this not the limited thinking of earthly man?

Jews and Christians don't tell lies about our God to make Him what he's not.

If God chose to reveal himself in a manner suitable for you, is it your problem?

Doesn't Allah too have at least TWO physical shapes?

Ohyoudidnt:
How is it the book of Muslims? Is there any clear instruction to uphold and follow the hadith written by numerous men not the direct revelation to man; the Quran?

Is it a lie that mischief makers try to corrupt others by placing false importance on fabrication.
I have summarised scholarly review about the hadith of a goat eating written Quran verses yet of course you remain a taghut

Can any Muslim understand the Qur'an without the Hadiths and Tafsirs? No!
From the Qur'an alone, you won't even know who Mohammed your prophet is. The Qur'an didn't come down out of the blues.

It is impossible for you to cherry pick only what you like from your books.

Sorry!

Ohyoudidnt:
There was no such verse as Rajm.

There is no verse as the verse on Rajm. What exists is the verse of Rajam!

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5


Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Musnad Ahmad 249
It was narrated that Yahya said:
I heard Sa`eed bin al-Musayyab (say) that `Umar (رضي الله عنه ) said: Beware of neglecting the verse of stoning, lest someone say, We do not find two hadd punishments in the Book of Allah, for I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) stone [adulterers] and we stoned [adulterers] too.

Ohyoudidnt:
The evidence is viewed with scepticism and regarded as false.

And about breastfeeding an adult, here is another evidence

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”

Too bad, I get still get you more

Ohyoudidnt:
In an immediate sense you lie. Let me ask you a question and you present 3? Is a singular or plural?

In any case there's no sense answering the error or repeated questions that have been asked and are obviously not sincerely coming from a desire to know.

You obviously have the answers to your questions but like to poke mischief. If you read through my responses you will see what I wrote in regards to Salim.

Do you Muslims (plural) still do breastfeeding for adult men?


If it is solely about Salim, can you explain each of the hadiths below

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”

Sunan Ibn Majah 1938
It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas:
that the Messenger of was offered the daughter of Hamzah bin 'Abdul-Muttalib in marriage, and he said: "She is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding, and breastfeeding makes unlawful (for marriage) the same things that blood ties make unlawful.”

Musnad Ahmad 1099
It was narrated from `Ali :
I said: O Messenger of Allah, why do you marry from Quraish and not from us? He said: “Do you have anyone?` I said: The daughter of Hamzah. He said: `She is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding.“

Musnad Ahmad 620
It was narrated that ‘Ali said:
O Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), why do you choose to get married from among Quraysh and you ignore us? He said: `Have you anybody to suggest?` I said: Yes, the daughter of Hamzah. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: `She is not permissible for me (to marry), for she is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding.`

There is no escape for you sir!

Ohyoudidnt:
ATTN. TENQ
If God were to manifest directly in the same manner as angels, it could lead to misunderstandings about His nature and authority. In Christian theology, God is transcendent and sovereign; His ways are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). Direct manifestations might blur the lines between divine sovereignty and human perception, potentially leading people to misinterpret God’s intentions or attributes.

Human beings have limitations in understanding and perceiving the divine fully. If God were to manifest in a way similar to angels, it could overwhelm human comprehension or lead individuals to worship the manifestation itself rather than recognizing it as a reflection of God’s glory. This concern aligns with biblical warnings against idolatry (Exodus 20:3-5), where anything that takes precedence over God becomes an idol.

Christianity emphasizes faith as a relationship built on trust rather than sight (2 Corinthians 5:7). If God manifested regularly like angels, it might undermine the necessity for faith and reliance on Him without physical evidence. The essence of faith involves believing in what we cannot see (Hebrews 11:1), which fosters spiritual growth and dependence on God’s wisdom rather than our own understanding.

While angelic manifestations serve specific purposes within God’s plan for humanity, a direct manifestation of God akin to how angels appear could complicate human understanding of His nature, diminish the role of faith, and risk idolatry or misunderstanding among believers.

Who told you this as the God of Abraham sometimes appear to him as a Man AND Abraham never confuses him as man.

All you can do is to speculate and thus create a God according to your own imagination. Reality is different from Actuality sir.

Gen 18:1-3:
"And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My LORD, if now I have found favor in your sight, pass not away, I pray you, from your servant:"


Here is from the book both your prophet and Allah attests to.

Did Abraham make any mistakes in recognising his God even though he appeared as a man?

Muslims starting from Mohammed do not know the God of Abraham: instead , you created Allah according to the whims of your imagination

Ohyoudidnt:
It is not true that whatever cannot be translated from one language to another cannot be interpreted. Untranslatable texts can still hold significant interpretive value through contextual explanation and analysis.

Then Muslims should stop complaining. Arabic is NOT the only Semitic language. Have you heard any Jew or Christian complaining about their scriptures as not translatable or not interpretable.

Ohyoudidnt:
That Jibril or Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary in the form of man does not make him of mankind. Perhaps you should look for stories that prove that other than appearing like a man the angel performed actions of man such as breathing, eating and sleeping.

In other words, the fact that Jibril was in the form of a perfect man (subject to every physical laws) does not make him a man.

How much more God who can appear in any form without ceasing to be God. Of course, I am aware that this is impossible for Allah to do.

Ohyoudidnt:
I have asked for a reasonable explanation for why the Bible says Moses sees an angel in the fire yet it's the lord/God that speaks? Why no clarity that the angel spoke on behalf of God. Was the writer merely showing writing abilities in mentioning the angel?

Who did Mary see?
Did she see an Angel or a man?

You are still confused because Allah cannot appear in other forms without ceasing to be Allah. Don't impose the limitations of Allah to Yahweh, the Creator of the Universe.

Ohyoudidnt:
Your lousy evidence of haven eaten could be from timeline pictures of you eating.

Evidence that something was destroyed without proof that it actually existed? Please do better.

It is your books that said that the Qur'an was eaten.

Where is the verse on Rajam?
Wasn't it part of what was eaten?

Except you are agreeing that Muslims are chronic liars who would even lie against Mohammed, Allah and the Qur'an!

Ohyoudidnt:
It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s awra in front of a non-Mahram adult let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty.

Meaning that it is a historical fact that breastfeeding adults took place at the time of Mohammed. This is a supporting evidence even if you don't like it.

Ohyoudidnt:
Also scholars study points out that the narrative of a domesticated sheep eating the folios of the Qurʼan, which allegedly included the controversial ‘Breastfeeding Verse’, cannot be confidently traced back to ʿĀʾisha and only appears in one variant, raising doubts about its authenticity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVXqp_3db5o?si=64pi8m5p2xdbXQI0

Muslims are prone to rejecting anything they are not comfortable with in their religion. Unfortunately, these things are found in your own books written by your own scholars and vetted by other scholars as Sahih.
What you should do is to find a narration by Abubaker or Uthman or Ibn Abbas denying the fact that breastfeeding of Adult men doesn't take place. As long as you can't find one of them denying it outrightly all your arguments are just conjectures

Let me even ask you a question:
1. Why did Mohammed instruct the breastfeeding of Salim?
2. Was this an instruction from Allah?
3. Why are you Muslims no longer doing it?

Nickymichy:
I feel Russia is just waiting for this guys to come more closer before striking. I don't just get this striking without retaliation. I am just praying to God that this nonsense war should come to an end. Na innocent people go just dey collect for some people's foolishness

Even Putin thought exactly like this two and a half years ago. But today, Putin knows that he made a big blunder by attacking Ukraine.

Dream25:
Ukraine is not looking for a favourable position, they're looking for cheap PR...

It's senselessness that'll make you invade a country as big as Russia with just few thousands troop..

What can they negotiate with those small land?...
Russia is busy advancing in Donbass while Ukraine is deceiving itself in Kursk.. Misplaced priority..

Look at the map below and tell me the favourable position they're looking for..

The beautiful thing is that Putin the war veteran cannot overrun Zelensky the Comedian.

The Russian bear is overrated sir

advocatejare:
Brother please stop wasting your time on atheists, I don’t bother myself with them. It’s not worth it

In perfect agreement with you

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you not see how you cannot stick with one argument? You refer to Islam being solely for Arabians if the Arabic of the Quran cannot be translated now you shift your argument to interpretation?

Whatever cannot be translated cannot be interpreted

Ohyoudidnt:
The term “مَن” translated to who in context of Quran 29:8 does not literally refer to a person or entity but signifies a broader collective presence associated with divine phenomena.

Says who?

Ohyoudidnt:
You keep repeating your question based on literal translation or interpretation of the meaning because you are not getting an answer you like?

Will you accept such forms of flawed interpretation by Christians for the bible?

Ohyoudidnt:
Well your description of deity perfectly agrees with a philosopher's statement that it is man who created God in his desired image which is extremely wrong. Do you determine or the God who created you? Perhaps you can as well undo the effect of climatic variations or make gravity work towards the sky not the earth's core.

It is Mohammed that created a God according to his own imagination. Is Allah a Spirit? No! Is Allah a Father? No!
Is Allah Omnipresent? No!

In trying to create God, Mohammed arrived at a limited edition of the Creator.

Ohyoudidnt:
You can see that different interpretations of the Quran verse you mention have indicated appearance and likeness. When dog looks like a fox or wolf does it make it a wolf?

Muhammad Pickthall-----

And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.

-----Saheeh International-----

And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.

-----Muhammad Shakir-----

So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and there appeared to her a well-made man.

So, are you claiming that Jibril did NOT appear to Mary as a perfect man?

Ohyoudidnt:
Your argument of eating pounded yam is so warped because if such proof was required an atomic labelled yam and or egg will have been fed to you so a trace of this element can be made to see how much of it was retained to be utilised in building your post meal make up

It is good you are seeing how faulty your argument is with this illustration.

How can I ask you to find me the physical evidence of the food I ate five days ago just as
How can you ask me to find the evidence of deleted verses from the book from which it was deleted?

Ohyoudidnt:
It seems you fail to see the singular case of the one who had lived since he was a child to early manhood and just like the promoters of falsehood want to generalise a singular situation?

Does there exist any Quran verse that talks about breastfeeding an adult or the verse reverse to suckling a baby? Show the verse on suckling an adult then we can discuss more.

What else after showing you evidence that you destroyed an evidence?

Ohyoudidnt:
What is the essence of the Quran if not the message it passes? Is the message of the Quran not preserved? Is this what you will rather move your argument to?

I have pointed to the truth that not all that is alleged to be the tradition or saying of the prophet Muhammad is true. There are fabricated hadith for various reasons as well as totally true hadith. Perhaps you should present a fabricated Quran that is acceptable and recognised.

I see my brother has had a baseless discussion with one of your brethren that fails to accept the translation of Messiah from Hebrew to English as annointed.

In any case we have our fundamental core differences and are not mandated to be the same.

Enjoy your days ahead

My questions was specific: which of the Hadiths I presented was Maudu?


Have a beautiful night rest