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jaephoenix:
Yes I did. Go to the front page. Are you blind too

Have a nice day!
You are a waste of precious time.

Ohyoudidnt:
Your argument is pretty flawed. Do you mean every single statement in your language can be literally and exactly translated to another language or English? Does the English language itself not borrow from other languages?
I didn't say it's impossible but point at the truth that some fundamentals get lost in translation.

There is a difference between translation of a script and interpretation of a script.

Any language that cannot be interpreted is a useless language

The question remains:
The Question was simple:
WHO was in the Fire?
WHO was around the Fire?

Ohyoudidnt:
Yes no one was in the fire. At least we don't confuse an angel being in the fire like the bible.

Around the fire was the blessed creation of Allah.

So , you are saying that Allah lied that someone was in the Fire whereas no one was in the fire!
Secondly, what is the name of the one around the Fire?

How is this person able to be around the Fire?

Ohyoudidnt:
Why is the text in the angel speaking as a messenger to Mary not the case when the angel was seen in the fire? Did the authors ommit?

It is understandable for a person worshipping a deity who is incapable of entering His creation to lack cognitive sense of the spiritual
Exo 3:2-4:
"And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the middle of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

Luk 1:30-32:
"And the angel said to her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God. And, behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give to him the throne of his father David:"

Ohyoudidnt:
Did Jibril become a man or appear to be a man?
You know things aren't always what they seem.

Show me the word appear in your Qur'an?
What is a well proportioned man: is he a ghost?
Qur'an 19:17
And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel [i.e., Gabriel], and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.

Muslims will deny their Allah as long as it keeps them in the argument

Is the well proportioned man real or fake?

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah is beyond any need to enter in his creation. Did the creation exist without or before Allah created it?

It seems it doesn't dawn on you that Allah is LIMITED. Is he not above the waters which is above the 7th heaven!?
It means that Allah occupies space. He is localized.

Ohyoudidnt:
Fundamental difference in your conception of God is the issue here. You see your deity needing to become something or enter something to function as God which is different from Islam.

My God can simultaneously both be everywhere and somewhere in physical and spiritual realm but Allah cannot.
This is the difference!

Ohyoudidnt:
Perhaps you need to review the level of agreement of the scholars you refer to about the hadith.

The most important hadith might be one where the Jews of Medina bring a case of married adultery before the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. The Prophet wants to deal with the adulterers according to Jewish law. The Jews try to ward off the punishment by saying there is nothing in the Torah about stoning adulterers or attempting to hide this.

Are the three hadiths I presented Maudi?
You know that Muslim scholars can represent satan in a lying competition.

If they are not fabricated, own up to the truth. Many verses have been deleted from the Qur'an

Ohyoudidnt:
The proof I request is a Quran script containing the verses you claim are no more in the Quran not hadith. Or is hadith equal to the revealed Quran?

Prove to me that five days ago, I ate Pounded yam by showing me the real pounded yam I ate, otherwise, it means that I ate an egg!

Can you see the wisdom of your logic!?

Ohyoudidnt:
The background of the young man suckled needs to be acknowledged and the peculiar exception given. In truth it is mischief makers that try to make it a generality and not more.

So, young men should be sucking the breasts of women!?

Tell me then why initially , breastfeeding an adult man ten times was abrogated to five times?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Sanaa scripts are scribal errors and I will encourage you to look at original pictures of the scripts and compare to what is generated to be what it reads.

For once, a Muslim speaks the truth.
Scribal Errors!

Scribal errors can be forgiven but insisting on a lie that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved is a blatant lie that has to be put to shame!

Ohyoudidnt:
There are cases of verse positions but you too acknowledge from your hadith sources that different types of recitals were revealed and existed in the prophets time and were approved.

Sincerely by how much do the word variations affect the core meaning of the Quran verses?

My argument is not about whether the differences within the Qur'an caused a huge variation from the core message
BUT
My argument is against the Standard Islamic Narrative that says that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved up to it's diacritical marks.

At least you have admitted that the standard Islamic Narrative is pure FALSEHOOD!

jaephoenix:
Well u lied. Cos we showed u oxygen. You have added dishonesty to your numerous vices

Are you educated at all?
You showed me oxygen!?

Do you know what you just ignorantly said?

FRANCISTOWN:
Please show me

Just humbly go back to read your thread from the beginning till here, you will find it ONLY if your wisdom and IQ can carry it otherwise, it's pure waste of time

Ohyoudidnt:
There's no literal translation to Allah's holy words, but we translate the meaning.
We try our best to translate. Translation often betrays the original text.

It is either Islam is strictly for Arabs or it is the worst language for any scripture.

Have you ever seen Christians and Jews complaining about how impossible to translate Hebrew into any other language?

Ohyoudidnt:
The use of who is not literal but an association in the sense with the fire. Do you think Allah was in the fire or is this your explanation for the mixed narrative in your scripture that the Angel was seen in the fire yet God spoke?

Please tell me that
1. No one was in the fire
2. No one was around the Fire

This would suffice!

Ohyoudidnt:
Why was this not the case when angel Gabriel appeared to Mary or is it that God doesn't speak directly with women in Christianity or Judaism?

Did Angel Gabriel speak as a messanger to Mary or did he peak as God?

When Jibril became a perfect man in the Qur'an, did he momentarily stop being an Angel?

Ohyoudidnt:
If you can not comprehend my answer or expect a particular type of answer indeed you betray yourself as not actually asking.

This is what you arrive at when you refused to supply a direct answer to a direct question.

I am still waiting for your answers to my questions

Ohyoudidnt:
How do you determine the power of your dirty by his ability to be in certain forms or in certain things? Does God need to be in such position to manifest his power?

God is Almighty because there is NOTHING impossible for Him to do as long as it doesn't compromise His integrity.

The question to you was simple:
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?

This is a simple question sir.

Ohyoudidnt:
I had told you before that it is not hadith that takes precedence over the Quran. Breastfeeding is for children not grown ups. An exception was made in one case before the person had grown into a full fledged man.

But your scholars said that both the verses of Rajam and the verse of breastfeeding an adult 10 times was revealed.

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
Sahih al-Bukhari 6830

Were your scholars telling lies?

Ohyoudidnt:
The justification for rajm primarily comes from various hadiths. This story of written verses being eatien is skeptical. Was the memory of the verse also eaten from all those who had memorized it took?

The Hadiths are your books and they give evidence to verses you no longer recite.

Ohyoudidnt:
Could this claim about this verse not stem from influence of the Jewish halacha based on Deuteronomy 22:22-24 indicating that early Islamic scholars may have adopted similar punitive measures without direct Qur’anic support?

It is actually you Muslims that is copying the Jews and not the other way round.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5917
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down while the pagans used to part their hair. So the Prophet let his hair hang down first, but later on he parted it.

Ohyoudidnt:
You alleged the verse and should provide proof of this from any of the ancient or other versions of the Quran you allege, onus probandi

Have you seen evidences of differences with
1. The Sana'a Qur'an and your modern Qur'an?
2. Have you seen enough evidences between the Warsh Qur'an and the Hafs Qur'an?

Have I shown you illogicalities and errors from your Qur'an?


Only one discrepancy is enough to invalidate the Qur'an sir: and this has been done

FRANCISTOWN:
You didn't achieve shit. Tell me how my logic was flawed.
I told you I'd been to the cemetery and not just that, I slept overnight and had my legs rested on a grave and yet neither did I see nothing nor have any unusual experience.

In your defense, you claimed visuals cannot be a germane evidence of existence, and you brought in oxygen into the discussion. You said, in your words that "since oxygen cannot be seen, it doesn't exist".
I attacked that defense that oxygen cannot be seen in it's natural state but you can interact and manipulate oxygen wherein you can see it in it's liquid and other state and with the aids of other laboratory aids. And which Jaephoenix also told you the same.
Therefore! Oxygen can be seen, but your ghosts and all those jargons can't, regardless of whichever state or which ever formula.

Now! For people who've got IQs higher than 10, how has the moniker TenQ flawed my narrative?

Only people of your kind of IQ cannot see where your logic is flawed.

jaephoenix:
… yet we showed you pictures of oxygen.
Are you this dense?

Did that change the fact that I never saw oxygen gas?

jaephoenix:
How is the logic flawed when he's perfectly right: you can't prove ghosts in any way

His claim:
"I slept in a grave yard and I didn't see any ghosts"!
His conclusion:
"Ghosts do not exist!"


My claim:
"I have been breathing for so long now and I have never seen Oxygen gas"!
My conclusion:
"Oxygen does not exist!"



My intention is NEVER to talk about justification or not for ghosts or spirits, my intention was to show how dumb his argument was!
I have done that!

Sorry!

You did not answer a single one of my questions
LOL!
You Muslims do not believe in your Allah at all: even when the plain message of Allah is clear and simple, you have to go with the consensus of your scholars or Mohammed.

1. Is it UNTRUE that the word "WHO" as used in Qur'an 27:8-10 refers to a PERSONALITY?
2. If it is, Are you saying that "No one was in the Fire" and "no One was around the Fire"?
3. Who spoke the phrase "Blessed is He who is in the fire and whatever is around it. And glory be to Allah, Lord of the worlds."
Is it Allah or Moses?
4. Is your conclusion that Allah is powerless to be either within the Fire and around it without him seizing to be Allah?




Let us for the sake of argument agree with you that one verse of the Qur'an can abrogate an earlier verse.

I think the issue I am complaining about is when an abrogated verse is deleted and removed from the Qur'an.

The implication is really bad for you Muslims and it doesn't have any reasonable explanations. Let me break it down for you.

1. According to you Muslims,The Quran of Mohammed is the exact copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise.
2. According to you Muslims,The Quran of Allah in paradise is uncreated (it is an attribute of Allah)
3. There are verses abrogated both from recitation and ruling (deleted from the Qur'an)

If these two above are true,
1. Are these kind of abrogated verses in the Qur'an of Allah but deleted from the Qur'an of Mohammed? Eg. The verses on stoning and breastfeeding an adult man ten times
2. Did Jibril dictate as part of the Qur'an verses which were not in the Qur'an of Allah to Mohammed?
3. Don't you see that the doctrine of Abrogation invalidate the claim of eternal nature of the Qur'an?

Ohyoudidnt:
Definitions of Abrogate:

To abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.
To annul by an authoritative act; to abolish by the authority of the maker or his successor; to repeal; -- applied to the repeal of laws, decrees, ordinances, the abolition of customs, etc.

To put an end to; to do away with.


I have shown verses of the Quran that were abrogated and the verses that abrogated them.

I am going with you doctrine of Abrogation BUT it has a big flaw

If Jibril dictated the Qur'an to Mohammed from the Qur'an of Allah in paradise, then, even if a verse is abrogated, it wouldn't be deleted but replaced with a newer verse

Example:
Where is the verse of Rajam (stoning) in the modern Qur'an?
Where is the verse of breastfeeding an adult man ten times, which was abrogated to five times in your modern Qur'an?

Check these two hadiths
Sahih Muslim 2655:
“The Qur'an was with Allah before the creation of the heavens and the earth.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 6988:
“The Qur'an is the speech of Allah, which is not created.”

If the Qur'an was with Allah before Mohammed, except if the Qur'an of Mohammed is different from that of Allah, a single revealed verse cannot be deleted.

Ohyoudidnt:
The allegation of existence of certain verses is questionable when you cannot prove outside some hadith that they existed?

Is it not the case that the hadith explained the exclusion of some chapters of the Quran from the collection of companions due to the feeling that these were prayers? Also the addition of Al-Qunnut as a Surah in other collections?

The burden of proof; onus probandi; is the obligation to provide sufficient supporting evidence for claims made by the accuser.

I have given examples of verses that were abrogated and what replaced them.

Are you pretending that I Never showed you the evidences before?
Okay, here are three verses DELETED from the Qur'an and none of them are Prayers.

The argument of deleting prayers is also very weak because AL-FATHIA is a prayer but it wasn't deleted.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6830
....
Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him.....


Sahih al-Bukhari 6830
....And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah's Book: 'O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father.' Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, 'Do not praise me excessively as Jesus, son of Marry was praised, but call me Allah's Slave and His Apostles.'.....

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.

Can you show me from your Qur'an these deleted verses?

Ohyoudidnt:
You misunderstand what is the lauhul mafuz.
The Lauhul Mahfuz refers to the Preserved Tablet in Islamic belief, which is a celestial record where Allah has inscribed everything that will occur, including the Quran and all matters related to the universe.

Note the Quran isn't the only thing in the preserved tablet. Is it not true that other books were revealed to other prophets? Did they not fundamentally emphasize a sole all powerful God?

I have no problem with this as it doesn't change the position of my argument.

If the Qur'an is part of the Lauhul Mahfuz (the Preserved Tablet), it existed before it was revealed.

It means that nothing can be deleted from it as it contains the exact knowledge of Allah of what will happen in future.

If anything is deleted from the Qur'an of Mohammed, it is a proof that it isn't identical to the Qur'an of Allah.

Ohyoudidnt:
Is the Earth consisting the woods/wilderness and whatever insects or animals around where the 'non burning fire' not part of the blessed creation of Allah?

The voice that emanated from the burning bush doesn't necessarily mean what produced the sound was in the fire. Does your knowledge of physics not inform you of sound transferred to appear originating away from the source?

The perception of sound can be influenced by various factors.

The Question was simple:
WHO was in the Fire?
WHO was around the Fire?

The word WHO describes a person isn't it?

Ohyoudidnt:
The phrase "Blessed is He who is in the fire and whatever is around it" serves as a declaration of the divine presence and blessing of Allah in that miraculous setting. It highlights the transcendence and majesty of Allah, who can manifest His signs and communicate with His prophets in extraordinary ways, such as through the burning bush experienced

LOL!
You Muslims do not believe in your Allah at all: even when the plain message of Allah is clear and simple, you have to go with the consensus of your scholars or Mohammed.

1. Is it UNTRUE that the word "WHO" as used in Qur'an 27:8-10 refers to a PERSONALITY?
2. If it is, Are you saying that "No one was in the Fire" and "no One was around the Fire"?
3. Who spoke the phrase "Blessed is He who is in the fire and whatever is around it. And glory be to Allah, Lord of the worlds."
Is it Allah or Moses?
4. Is your conclusion that Allah is powerless to be either within the Fire and around it without him seizing to be Allah?

Ohyoudidnt:
In the Quran, it is understood that certain verses were revealed to replace or supersede earlier verses. Here are some examples:

1. Verse on Alcohol:
Abrogated verse: Surah Al-Baqarah (2:219) mentions that in wine there is great sin and some benefit for people.
Abrogating verse:Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:90) later commands: "O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful."

2. Verse on Facing Qibla:
-Abrogated verse: Surah Al-Baqarah (2:144) states that believers should face Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa.
- Abrogating verse:Surah Al-Baqarah (2:150) later reveals that the qibla has been changed to the Kaaba in Makkah.

Let us for the sake of argument agree with you that one verse of the Qur'an can abrogate an earlier verse.

I think the issue I am complaining about is when an abrogated verse is deleted and removed from the Qur'an.

The implication is really bad for you Muslims and it doesn't have any reasonable explanations. Let me break it down for you.

1. According to you Muslims,The Quran of Mohammed is the exact copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise.
2. According to you Muslims,The Quran of Allah in paradise is uncreated (it is an attribute of Allah)
3. There are verses abrogated both from recitation and ruling (deleted from the Qur'an)

If these two above are true,
1. Are these kind of abrogated verses in the Qur'an of Allah but deleted from the Qur'an of Mohammed? Eg. The verses on stoning and breastfeeding an adult man ten times
2. Did Jibril dictate as part of the Qur'an verses which were not in the Qur'an of Allah to Mohammed?
3. Don't you see that the doctrine of Abrogation invalidate the claim of eternal nature of the Qur'an?

jaephoenix:
Please answer the question. You seem to be a good artful dodger? Do you believe in ghosts/god?

Why ask me a question on what doesn't concern me?
Was that why you had to create and ascribe a strawman to me.

My interest in this post had been achieved: the OP's logic is flawed!
QED!
Otherwise, I have zero interest on this topic!

Gajagojo:
Go and have that conversation with your father

I can see how much you value your parents!

Have a nice day!

jaephoenix:
So ghosts/god don't exist?

Just quote me!

Like your father satan, this is your modus operandi. Deliberate misinformation so that you can latch on your strawman and claim victory even when no one is competing with you

Gajagojo:
Is your father shameless?
Guy I do not know your father

You have no right to talk to me like that and I will not accept it

Understand?

Exactly just as the unsecure Putin: don't you understand English language again?

Go back and read my response to you.

As e dey pain them, e dey sweet us!
Comedian beat war Veteran!

Sorry to you. Make I bring handkerchief!?

Akalia:
Would Russia be the first to drop bombs on invading enemies on her own territory? Is it a taboo or some sort of humiliation? I don't think so, it's called protecting territorial integrity.

If Ukraine's chain of command is banking on Russia dropping bombs on home soil in order to make a statement then they are lacking in tactics which is also a sign of despair.

No problem: let Russia flatten Kursk like they did with Mariupol and Bakhmut.

It's a joy that a David can give a a Goliath a bloody nose. Kudos to the "Brave comedian" with balls of steel fighting the Big Bully of a Bear in the frame of a small body

Gajagojo:
Russia is about to take Pokrovsk. That will happen in under a month
The area is under intense pressure

This effort by Ukraine is hoping that Russia will divert resources away from Pokrovsk

I don't think that will work . Russia will continue with its onslaught on Pokrovsk and complete the takeover of Donetsk

The activity in Kursk cannot be sustained, I see Kiev itself coming under pressure soon


Russia is a huge country about 60% the size of Africa and so any unfriendly neighbours will achieve this kind of tactical victory

This is exactly why Russia is fighting this war
If Ukraine was ever allowed to join NATO it is finished


What is interesting would be how the forces in Kursk would be supplied
Nevertheless it is quite embarrassing for Putin and one cannot rule out him being toppled but if that happens it would be by even more hardliners hawks seeking to capture all of Ukraine
This will not end well for Ukraine

You guys with shameless chest beatings never stop to amaze me.


The same thing you all said in 2022 and till now, we are waiting for Putin the veteran to overrun Zelensky the Comedian.

Shameless Putin and his goons!

Akalia:
The way Russia will militarily repossess that territory from Ukraine troops will be unexpected, swift, and decisive.

Russia wants all civilians evacuated from those territories and then scramble jets to fly overhead Ukraine troops dropping decisive air to surface ordinances. Annihilating the entire troops.

With love for Putin and Russian from ala Igbo. Bleep Ukraine and her western allies.

The same thing you all said in 2022 and till now, we are waiting for Putin the veteran to overrun Zelensky the Comedian.

Shameless Putin and his goons!

jaephoenix:
U said ghosts/god exists since you can't see it

Quote me please!

bloodofthelamb:
Do you have the Holy Spirit?

Yes, I have the Holy Spirit IN me as my SEAL (my mark and stamp)

1. The Holy Spirit is my SEAL till the day I leave this world

Eph 4:30:
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption."

Ephesians 1:13-14:
"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory."


2. The Holy Spirit is resident IN me!
John 14:17:
"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you."

1 Corinthians 3:16:
"Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?"

Romans 8:9:
"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him."


These is what gives me the right of sonship of God!

bloodofthelamb:
I don't think I am contending this... The contention is does the Holy Spirit come twice?

The Holy Spirit comes ONCE to seal a person by indwelling him/her.

Being filled with the Holy Spirit means being fully controlled by the Holy Spirit, and this should be every time of our lives.

bloodofthelamb:
I don't understand what you mean by giving your life to Christ. I held this believe before but not anymore, I have discarded it. It is Jesus Christ that died for us and not the other way round. Regarding the precious Holy Spirit of Christ, He doesn't come in instalment.

This is the teaching that so many have been deceived by. Nothing like you give your life to Christ the Holy Spirit will sneak in quietly and you start to wait for baptism of the Holy Ghost again. When the heart truly believes you will experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit without praying for it like they do today in so many gathering centers called church. The Holy Spirit is too great to sneak in unnoticed. My friend in redemption of Jesus Christ, though I am still learning through the guidance of the Holy Spirit in me, but on this matter, this is the truth.

There is a difference between the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (which takes place at the point of salvation) AND Being Filled with the Holy Ghost (which may occur simultaneously or much later time after a person is Baptised by the Holy Ghost.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit inducts you into the Body of Christ while the filling of the Holy Spirit empowers a believer to function.

Anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit as a result of His baptism by Him is neither a child of God nor saved.

Luk 3:16:
"John answered, saying to them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I comes, the lace of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:"




The Baptism of the Holy Spirit takes place just once in ones lifetime while the Filling is supposed to be as often as possible. We are commanded to be filled with the Holy Spirit



Shalom

iamrealdeji:
That's what Christianity does to people. If I was Christian and studied philosophy too,I probably would have been atheist if I hadn't known Islam. Bible and Christianity is full of loopholes and lies that would make a reasonable person think there is no God. How can you tell me a woman got pregnant and gave birth to God and son of God at the same time. Now,that God ate,slept,did everything human does,even once got to a tree he wanted to pluck from and didn't know if there were fruits from which he was expected to know if he was God or God lives in him. That same God reached age 33 and he was held like a criminal and he couldn't rescue himself. Until he was crucified and killed,a whole God that created trillions upon trillions of stars in one galaxy out of uncountable galaxies and a star being bigger than the sun which is 1.3million times bigger than the earth can't save himself from people he created?
He was in Jesus and can't save himself from those people? If I question it,you would tell me I need holy spirit to understand. Anything that is difficult to understand or not straight forward is fake. Whoever wrote this rubbish in bible should be arrested for blasphemy. Christianity is based on blasphemy.
If you claim Prophet Jesus is God's son,can you sacrifice your son to wipe away the sins of some people? Does God need anybody's blood to forgive? God isn't a ritualist, that's blasphemy. The writers of bible stuck the mindset of Idol worship in their brains.
Chief Tele of a prominent town in Nigeria here is sent to carry sacrifice that may be human beings to a forest to wipe away the sins of the people of the community because they're Idol worshippers and that's what they believe in.
There are many Muslim sociologists,philosophers and scientists that stronger in their Islamic faith because there are so many facts in Quran that correlate with science,also Prophet. Muhammad ﷺ 's hadiths and science and numerous numerical miracles in Quran that would make you realize Islam is the only way and make you 100% sure there is God and that's why Islam is world's fastest growing religion.
I don't blame these guys,they would rather stay at home than go to some churches some pastors would collect large part of their hard earned money and they claim it's like that in bible,meaning that business oriented people wrote bible. Now,pastors own Private Jets,Rolls Royces. I've never seen any Imam with Private Jet.
These philosophers don't know what to read out of the very many versions of bible. Christians worship the man they idolize which makes it Idol worship and they would still claim Idol worship is bad,Buddha was a good man like Christ and Buddhism was formed and named after him just like Christianity was named after Christ,it's totally man made and Idol worship. Buddha,Ogun,Jesus,Sango,Ganesha,Krishna worshippers have their statues and pictures they pray to because they're idol worshippers,the others admit they're idol worshippers but Christians fail to accept and instead package their faith,that's hypocrisy. Change christians,Jesus was a Prophet of God and not God,he was Muslim because he worshipped one God and never told anybody to call him God,stop reading lies some humans wrote,all major prophets have extraordinary miracles. In fact,Prophet Muhammad ﷺ did more miracles than Prophet Jesus and yet said any body that dares call him God like they did Prophet Jesus is going straight to hell. These are some of his miracles https://islamhashtag.com/15-miracles-of-prophet-muhammad/
Even during the birth of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ,more than 10 great miracles occured that have never been seen.
Christians,change!!!
God Punished Judas by giving him Jesus'appearance because you can't betray God's messenger and go scott-free. Judas was the one that was arrested and crucified,not Jesus. If Shina Rambo and armed robbers can take form of other people,how can't God who owns all the power do that?
Prophet Jesus was never crucified or killed, Allah's great Prophet would never be killed like a chicken like that,God took him to heaven,Prophet Muhammad ﷺ saw Prophet Jesus in heaven when he ascended to heaven to meet God during his Miraj. He even discribed Prophet Jesus' appearance on his return,that's a story for another day.
Muslims even like Prophet Jesus more than Christians do,If you live someone,you act and dress like him,If a Muslim is going to mosque,he would put on Jalabia like Prophet Jesus,a Christian would never wear Jalabia to Church. Muslims wash themselves with water and touch their head on the ground to one God and bow to one God like Prophet Jesus because Prophet Jesus was muslim. Muslims grow their beards like Prophet Jesus,christians would shave it,Muslim women wear hijab like Prophet Jesus'mother but a christian woman would never wear hijab to Church trying to look like Prophet Jesus'mother,all they want from Prophet Jesus' is use him to get to Paradise after so many sins. Lazy people that can't serve God by Praying 5 times a day want shortcut,easy way out. Prophet Muhammad ﷺ went to God and collected 5 daily prayers and God sent Angel Gabriel to him when he got to back to earth to teach him properly and make it more defined and organized than the way previous prophets used to pray it. Christians,try to pray it,be humble,stop singing and dancing and clapping to God,put your heads on the floor for God
God never told anybody to sing and dance because music is devil's instrument,that's why christian women dance with their boobs and ass shaking,giving men erection,God would never be part of that or have anything to do with devil's instrument. You even worship without washing your body,urinate without washing and still pray?God may accept your prayers because he said it in Suratul Fathia. Even wishes of atheists get granted by God. Everything non-muslims do in this world,they would get the rewards in this world,they may get healings,wealth and all that but not in the afterlife.
And yet upon that,Muslims are the richest in history with no much stress because of our powerful Quranic verses. Mensah Musa is the richest man of all time and was Muslim. Prophet Solomon worshipped one God which makes him Muslim. Saudi Royal family are richer than Elon Musk,MBS is richer than Musk,they're muslims. Aliko Dangote is a Muslim,Al-Hassan Dantata was a Muslim.
The Golf Arab countries are the richest regions in the world because they're the places Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was born and spent his life. His blessed self was born in Saudi Arabia,Saudi has Aramco,world's richest company. He stepped his blessed feet around Golf Arabian deserts,his blessings went through to neghboring countries like Dubai,Kuwait,Abu Dhabi,Qatar,Bahrain,Oman,etc
Your worship style and human worship is totally invalid,you're just wasting your money on pastors instead of you to give directly to people as God instructed in Quran. God sent Prophet Muhammad ﷺ to all you human worshippers,Krishna,Buddha,Ogun,Jesus,Sango,etc worshippers to worship only one God. Repent now and stop implicating Jesus before God by calling him God because in Quran,Jesus will get asked by God "Did you tell them to worship you and your mother? and he would say no and deny christians like bad market. If you say Jesus isn't God but you're still a christian,just convert to Islam and pray five times a day to God because that's what Islam is based on,believing there is only one God and Jesus was just a prophet. God said his punishment is very tough and human worshippers are going to hell 🔥🔥🔥🔥,there reward is in this world and their prayers can only get answered in this world because God does that to create a balance. Even atheists get blessed in this world which is very short. But hereafter,God's punishment is severe to human worshippers.
Don't tell me about terrorism and all that. In Islam,If you intentionally kill a human being of any religion,the sin is equal to that of killing the all human beings. All religions have terrorists,Hitler,Napoleon,Josef Stalin,etc were Christians and the biggest terrorists ever.
Don't tell me about Prophet Muhammad ﷺ marrying a lady so young,bring a verse that says that in Quran which is the only scripture of Islam. Hadith writers are humans,there are many incorrect accounts of hadiths and even if Prophet Muhammad ﷺ married a young lady,it's Common in those days for men to marry young ladies and those ladies grew way more mature than ladies of now and even prophet didn't have anything with her,he left her to mature enough before anything. Mary had Jesus at age 12.
Most christian teenage girls are on family planning already today and already turned to harlots before age 15 because they marry late. The Chrisland girl is just 10 years and from a good Christian home.
*Islam is world's fastest growing religion according to google.
*Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was named as the most influential and greatest man to ever exist according to google and several christian authors.
*Prophet Muhammad can solve all the problems of this world while just drinking a cup of coffee.
*Prophet Muhammad's name is mentioned billions of times daily and he's prayed for by billions of people worldwide daily. If you're hating in him,deal with it, someone who is the greatest is the greatest

Bitterness full your heart. Just read what you wrote again.

If you don't know Allah the Al-Makr is aka satan and Mohammed is his human representative.

Is it possible that God allow halal prostitution for his people?

Is it possible that God will permit you Muslims to own brothels?

Is it possible that God doesn't know how a baby is formed?

Is it possible that God will think that the sun set in some murky waters?

Islam is a religion of deceit, lies and misinformation.

Qur'an 19:71
There is no one among you, who will not come to it (Hell Fire). This is a fixed decree which your Lord has bound Himself to fulfill.

You surely must enter hell fire

jaephoenix:
These stupid posts are the physical properties of the softwares

I challenge you to show any claims I made on this thread with regards to ghosts or spirits. This is how intoxicated people spew lies from their mouths

jaephoenix:
These stupid posts are the physical properties of the softwares

I see!

jaephoenix:
Ok. Lemme break this down to kindergarten level.
I'm using my phone to chat you up on Nairaland. Now with only the phone hardware, which includes the processor, RAM, storage etc, it is not possible to chat. But with the software, in this case known as the operating system, its now possible to send commands to this software and it responds and transmits the info via the internet.
Does this not show the software is tangible?
Please refund your school fees your parents paid for your education

It's easy, just show us the physical properties of the software embedded in a machine.

This is a sufficient proof.

jaephoenix:
So I'm asking you now. Ignore the OP for now. What are the experts showing as evidence of the supernatural?

Why should I. My major objective was to show the illogicality of his conclusion , otherwise, I am done

shoodboi2:
It is funny that the same Russia you have all discredited as liars have suddenly become your source of factual news.

You claim Russia said Ukraine is now 30km into Russian territory, yet it is the BBC that's reporting it.

Why don't you show us Russia reporting it?

Ukraine entered Kursk about four days ago and has been pushed back. Many western analysts and pro-Ukrainians have even questioned why Ukraine invaded Kursk because it makes no sense.

They have said it time and time again that Ukraine should focus on beating Russia back from Eastern Ukraine instead of launching attacks into forested areas like Kursk which Russia doesn't even defend because there is no point attacking it.

However, Ukrainian generals said they attacked Kursk with the hopes that Russia will withdraw forces from Eastern Ukraine and send them into Kursk.

That clearly isn't working since Russia deployed reserves from inside Russia (who are not even fighting in Ukraine) and used them against the Ukrainian army in Kursk.

Attacking Kursk is just another failure and embarrassment for Zelensky.

Are you for real!?

Why don't you check again for todays news and tell me that Ukraine has been pushed back

jaephoenix:
Okay. So how are the 'experts' in the field of the supernatural providing credible evidence of the existence of the supernatural?

For now, that's not my business as the OP never said anything about the consensus of the experts in making his conclusion

jaephoenix:
Since you can see the software, what other evidence do you need?

Sometimes, I wonder the kind of education people like you have.

How does the embedded software in a machine look like or better still, what are it's physical properties?

I am just curious!

jaephoenix:
Lol. When one breathes oxygen, the oxygen interacts with heme and is carried to tissues to provide energy via ATP. That energy is what powers the tissues. Without oxygen, the tissues gradually die off starting from the brain cells.
I have explained this process on this thread but somehow your thick skull cannot assimilate any scientific fact. And tomorrow you'll say you understand science.

All these you felt when you breathe!?

Why are you appealing to the opinion of "experts" in the field. Did the OP appeal to anyone outside himself.

Please keep it simple. Use the exact logic of the OP.
He went to a grave, he saw nothing, felt nothing, heard nothing: his conclusion - ghosts or spirits do not exist!


Likewise:
I have been breathing, I feel nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing: my conclusion -Oxygen gas so not exist!

Deal with that!

Expanse2020:
Answer the question and I will answer this too

Since there was no questions asked in your quote(check again), please answer my questions!


Here are Arabic Qurans, please which one of them is the Qur'an of Allah?

Which one is the exact copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise?

jaephoenix:
Yeah, you are right. But if OP had been touched or slapped by a ghost, he'd have believed they existed. But in this case, neither did he interface in any form with them. With oxygen, we can interact and interface with it

Tell me, when you breathe, how did you interact with Oxygen?
What was the feeling like? Was it "pepperish" or it had a perfume kind of smell?