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jaephoenix:
You have brought up this your false software dichotomy that we have debunked. We can interface with it in many forms

Yes, you can see softwares embedded in a machine: debunked indeed!
Boo hoo!
LOL!

Leemzyy:
Mr man is jesus lying or not?simple question with a simple answer but very hard for you to answer,yes or no?are u ashamed not to be trapped by the answer,once again is jesus lying yes or no mr man?

What do you think?
Does Jesus tell lies like your prophet?
Yes or No!

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?


You are an Idolater feigning monotheist

Leemzyy:
Lol mr TENQ see this;61:6:and remember jesus the son of mary said"o children of israel,i am the messenger of Allah sent to you,confirming the law before me and giving glad tidings,for a messenger to come after me,whose name shall be "AHMAD" but when he come to them with clear signs they said this is evident sorcery,lol so now stop avoiding this simple question,i said is jesus lying? yes or no?

Till tomorrow, no Muslim have been able to show us the Ahmad from the Bible.

Why do you relish self deceit and self deception?

You refused to quote my last post because it shows that you are Idolaters masquerading as people who know God.

Why did your prophet kiss the Blackstone?
Why do you Muslims kiss the black Stone?

Is it true that it is because it is the right hand of Allah?

Kingsempires:
are you a Muslim before

I almost became a Muslim while in school through Ahmed Deedats publications. Thanks be to God who guided me to first read the Qur'an before reciting the Shahada.

I didn't even reach half way before I knew that it would have been the biggest mistake of my life. I then devoted my time to understanding both Islam and the Gospel of Christ.

Expanse2020:
We already know when we give you the answer, you still asked the same questions..
Who will argued with low IQ person like you...
And the questions the hope asked..

We told you so many time Quran was preserved not like a dictionary(bible)where there is more than 150 version in and still in counting today

Here are Arabic Qurans, please which one of them is the Qur'an of Allah?

Here is a list of some of the different Arabic Qurans in existent:
Hafs Quran
Warsh Quran
Qalun Quran
Al-Duri Quran
Al-Bazzi Quran
Qunbul Quran
Al-Suri Quran
Ibn `Amir Quran
Hisham Quran
Ibn Dhakwan Quran
Khallad Quran
Al-Kisa'i Quran
Al-Duri Quran
Abu'l-Harith Quran
Ibn Wardan Quran
Ibn Jamaz Quran
Ya`qub al-Hashimi
Ruways Quran
Rawh Quran
Khalaf al-Bazzar Quran
Ishaq Quran

Leemzyy:
Lol mr man,also look at this,in the day of judgement,what jesus will say to the christians(mathew 7:22-24)22=many will say to me on that day"lord lord,did we not prophesy in your name,and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles,23=then i will tell them plainly"i never knew you,depart from me,you worker of lawlessness,24=therefore everyone who listen to this word of mine and act on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

Did Mohammed ever met Jesus? No!
Was there any evidence that he saw Jibril? No!

Is Allah not the name of the chief idol of the Quraysh tribe?

Mohammed transformed your God LAH to to the status of the God of Israel.



Don't forget that you escaped from answering my first question to you.

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?


You are an Idolater feigning monotheist

Leemzyy:
Lolzzz 5:72 said and surely they disbelieve when they said"christ the son of mary is indeed God,whereas christ had said"children of israel,worship Allah who is your lord and my lord, Allah has forbid paradise to those who associate any thing with him and their refuge will be hell fire

Repeating falsehood doesn't free you from the falsehood of your fraudulent religion!

Allah cannot even define Trinity accurately in the Qur'an! Confused and Deceived slave of the Al-Makr!

Either you answer my questions or keep deceiving yourself

Leemzyy:
Lolzz mr man you avoiding this simple question i said,is jesus lying about Allah?

If you cannot answer my questions without LIES, take your leave.

It is your prophet who tells lies that he would not commit fornication with Mary the Copt but still went out to do so.

It's your prophet who doesn't have any sexual boundaries such that he shamelessly collected the wife of his adopted son.

It's your prophet that enjoys sleeping with 8 years old at 53.

If Allah is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent, he cannot be God no matter how many times you chant laillaihllalah

Sapasenator:
For evidence, we always want to rely on observations with the five senses, sight, touch, smell and you know what I mean.

Are there ways you can prove the existence of ghosts? I can show you zillions of ways you can prove and quantify oxygen. There is no context about that. Your argument was weak and had no leg to stand on.

Did I claim ANYTHING about ghosts?

My objective had been achieved: the OP's argument is not sound.


I asked you a question:
Have you seen any software in machine before?
Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

Leemzyy:
Lol so clearly u mean jesus nw dey lie right?

Why are Muslims deceptive and untrustworthy?

1. I challenge you to show that my answer told you that Jesus told lies?
2. I asked you if Allah was Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient: you omitted the quality of Allah as Omnipresent.

How can Allah be God when he isn't Omnipresent?

Allah is not even Omnipotent:
And I asked you,
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?

Allah is also not Omniscient: this can easily be shown from the Qur'an.

You should bow your head in shame that you elevated the chief idol of the Kaaba to the creator of the universe.

How is the Taoheed of Allah different from the Taoheed of Shaitan?

Sapasenator:
What can you see per your allusion? Care to share. I am curious and for knowledge sake, I just do not discount or accept what I cannot see, I try to ask more question, hear other people eyewitness experiences.

Since it's about the op let's limit it to what I cannot see.
I couldn't see Oxygen gas, so using the logic of the OP, Oxygen doesn't exist.

Have you seen any software in machine before? Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

Sapasenator:
Weak because you only alluded to the senses of sight. There are other physical ways oxygen can be tested and observed while there is none to back up the existence of ghosts, God, the devil, or evil. That you cannot see oxygen with your eyes is a very weak argument.

For me, I believe we are not alone and there is voodoo which is very much active, I also know there is no physical evidence for this belief so I will never attempt to debate them with op.

Sorry o!

I alluded to what I could see just as the OP judged by what he could see.

Leemzyy:
Well then Allah is an immortal single omnipotent and omniscient God,so now answer mine

But not Omnipresent.!? LOL!?

He isn't even Omnipotent:
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?

Neither is Allah Omniscient: this can easily be shown from the Qur'an


Your Question: YAHWEH is the Only True God!

Leemzyy:
Are you now saying that jesus himself is lying about him saying that Allah is the only true God?yes or no?is he lying or not?i dont want an epistle answer

Why don't you first answer my questions!

Tell me , according to Islam, who has the power to grant paradise to anyone?

Expanse2020:
That guy
Tenq always lost in this thread whenever you showed them truth

You and your folks have been beaten blue and black on every topic we ever chatted on.

Too bad.

If there is any other topic you are interested on being flogged about, call me.

Yesterday, I flogged one of you Muslim baby scholar on the preservation of the Qur'an. He is now licking his wounds!
Alhamdullilah!
LOL!!

Sapasenator:
Weak argument my friend. I disagree partly with op though on this matter.

I agree perfectly with you. This was the argument of the OP!
Thanks for admitting this

Leemzyy:
Hmm am sorry i was late,now can we do this?i want to talk more about islam to you and oneness of God(Allah) in both of the holy book,so can i?

Is Allah Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient?

Taoheed prevent this, thus Allah cannot be God

Kingsempires:
so they practice all this things and yet they call Christianity a fake religion

Dont mind them.

They always assume that non-muslims are not aware of the idolatry that goes on in the name of Mohammed and Allah, so they tell lies to present themselves in the best modern light

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "


cc: SIRTee15

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?

jaephoenix:
Debating with some Christians is getting mentally demanding. Are you aware we breathe oxygen, we have studied its molecules, we know its properties, we have harnessed its properties in the health sector etc. We even have liquid oxygen that u can see and touch. So what are you yammering about?
We cant see ghosts, or interface with it. Yer folks believe it exists. How?

Who are the we?
You!?

You have seen Oxygen gas and you know it's properties: can you see the stupidity of the logic of the OP?

jaephoenix:
Did you even manage to read through my post? Can you test ghosts in labs? What are their qualities? Can they be weighed in any SI units?
Can you change the state of ghosts? Can you touch it? Yet we can change the state of oxygen and touch it, smell it, see it(yes, solid oxygen is blue), hear it. Can we interface ghosts like this? No. So wtf are you arguing about, this man.
Yes I know the difference. Oxygen can exist im different forms. We store it to give patients during resuscitations. The cylinder is where we store it. What is the confusion?

Sorry!
I just used your flawed logic and now all of you is discovering for the first time that it is a stupid conclusion!

Sorry you are just getting it!

jaephoenix:
Lol TenQ wont know liquid oxygen, even if it steals his wallet and kicks his butt.
Oh my days!

I can understand that you breathe in liquid oxygen!

SMH!

Only on NL!

FRANCISTOWN:
😂😂😂

I guess you breathe in liquid oxygen?
SMH!

jaephoenix:
Please read this and cure this ignorance festering in your brain. We even store oxygen cylinders which are very heavy, in the hospital.
https://www.britannica.com/science/oxygen#:~:text=Oxygen%20has%20two%20allotropic%20forms,lie%20along%20a%20straight%20line.

The question is this:
I have never seen Oxygen before just as your friend went to a grave site and did not see any spirit. He concluded: spirits do not exist: me too conclude using his argument that oxygen doesn't exist

Did you see me give him a link to an article for him to read to convince him that spiris exist?

How do you think the article in question will make me see Oxygen?

BTW:
It seems you don't know that there is a difference between Oxygen and Oxygen Cylinder .
Have you seen Oxygen before?

FRANCISTOWN:
This defence is very weak. You can't see oxygen with your naked eyes but oxygen can be seem with be help of laboratory aids.

Oxygen can be compressed, released , enclosed and manipulated.

You interact everyday of your life with oxygen.

Every living thing interacts with oxygen, not just some people.

Didn't you even think about what you wrote before you submitted it?

Have you seen Oxygen before? Yes or No?

I am just being truthful: I have never seen Oxygen before. I don't know if it is colour red or yellow or black!

Using your formular for determining that which is real, Oxygen does not exist!

Ohyoudidnt:
Unlike you and your pagan inclination Muslims do not imagine a God in something he created to worship.

You are the one who presents hadith to justify your wrong arguments as you cannot understand?

Do you now forget your inclusion of Ubai in your arguments? Tell me about confusion.

Qur'an 27:8-10
8: "So when he came to it (the Fire), he was called, 'Blessed is He who is in the fire and whatever is around it. And glory be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.'"
9: "'O Moses, indeed I am Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.'"
10: "'And throw down your staff.' But when he saw it writhing as if it were a serpent, he turned to flee and did not look back. 'O Moses, do not fear. Indeed, in My presence the messengers do not fear.'"

You don't know who was in the Fire!
What a shame. Allah says he has explained everything in DETAIL in your Quran but because you dont actually follow Allah, you follow Mohammed and your Scholars!

Ohyoudidnt:
Of course you forget your reference to Ubay/Ubai in your responses? Allow yourself age appropriately before you start becoming forgetful.

Was Ibn Masud resident in Mecca when Uthmani initiated the standardisation of the Quran? Get your points for negation in order before typing.

Alleged abrogated verses of the Quran and verses that abrogate them are in the Quran. The abrogation you referred to is with respect to books and instructions given to mankind through earlier prophets.

Even though this was not the Question asked by me: you said
"Was Ibn Masud resident in Mecca when Uthmani initiated the standardisation of the Quran?"
Were ALL the four reciters out of Mecca BOTH during the compilation of the Quran of Abubakar and the Quran of Uthman?

Is it TRUE that Muslim scholars especially Zaid was aware that some verses according to the best of the reciters Ubai was left out of the Quran?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4481
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "Our best Qur'an reciter is Ubai and our best judge is `Ali; and in spite of this, we leave some of the statements of Ubai because Ubai says, 'I do not leave anything that I have heard from Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) while Allah: "Whatever verse (Revelations) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We bring a better one or similar to it." (2.106)

How come even though they knew some of the verses of Ubai, why did they leave them out?

FRANCISTOWN:
Some years ago I had a job to do at Ijebu-ode, Ogun State. It was at a small village called Ita-marun or so, I can't really remember.
But I knew I was coming back very late around 12AM from Ita-Marun to Odosela or so, and I couldn't get any vehicle to convey me from Ita-Marun to Ogidi. So I had to treck from one place like that while heading for the junction. I was mad thirsty and hungry so I had to drink from one river like that and by the time I got to the junction and was now heading for Odosela. I became very tired, at that time my eyesight was becoming blurry, so, thankfully enough, I saw something that looked like a pavement.
Since I was mad tired, I decided to take a rest. So, I sat on the pavement. It should be around 1AM then.
It was in the morning when I woke that I realized that I slept at a graveyard. And my legs were resting on a tomb. Ha! What is this? I exclaimed. Lol!

Now that I think about it. How come ghosts didn't attack me at night, despite that I was alone in their territory and It was pitch dark?
Simple. Ghosts don't exist.
There is no such thing as demon.
Devil doesn't exist.
Generation curses don't exist.
There is nothing like the living dead.

I drank from a river around 12AM and nothing happened to me. There are no marine spirits anywhere.
There is no spirit husband or spirit wife.
There are no spirits to begin with.
No Ekwensu is after your life.

There is no spirit and spiritual world.
Stop jumping from pillar to post. Nobody is doing you. Stop all these nonsense night vigils, have yourself a better sleep. Nobody is pressing you at night.

No demon is having sex with you during your sleep. You must have touched your genitals without knowing.
I've been able to demystify every spirituality.

Ask me any question and I'll answer you.
I'll leave you with this.

The true things of life are the things you can see, but the false things of life are the things you want to see

Since I've been born, I've never ever seen Oxygen molecules and I have been breathing.

Conclusion:
It's a lie that oxygen exists!

I have just proved that

Ohyoudidnt:
Keeping turning a blind eye to answered.

Allah was not physically present in the fire. When Allah spoke to Musa (AS) at the burning bush, it was through a miraculous means. The fire was a sign from Allah, and the voice came from Him, but His actual presence was not in the fire.

You obviously don't know the language of the scripture. This is what I highlighted earlier on

No problem!
If Allah wasn't in the Fire, no problem, the question was

Who was in the Fire according to Qur'an 27:8-10?

Ohyoudidnt:
You keep forcing this invitation to your personal hadith confusion.

Does Allah need to descend to the lowest heaven according to the hadith you quote to hear prayers when he already says in the Quran that:

Quran 2:186 And when My servants ask you concerning Me, indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me.


and

Quran 50:16 And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein


Do you not see how you show the hadith confuses you on what Allah's relation with his creation Is?

You have just proved that the Qur'an and Hadiths are combinations of contradictions.

Is Allah like satan who sleeps in your noses while Allah lodges in the jugular veins of you Muslims?

Allah is near, yet he is above the seventh heaven AND he cannot even enter his creation (earth) without ceasing to be Allah?

Can you not see your contradictions?

Ohyoudidnt:
Obviously you cannot assuredly answer the question on Ubay and are parrying in your characteristic time wasting nature.


What verb did you use to justify what the Jews did in trying to hide the truth of what the Thalmud prescribed for the punishment of fornication again?

Your lie remains a lie no matter how you make it up.

What has Ubay got to do with this post?
Are you dazed?

I cannot answer the question, yet I used a VERB to justify what the Jews did in trying to hide the truth of what the Thalmud prescribed for the punishment of fornication again!?

You are surely confused!?
The purpose of quoting in Nairaland is to avoid this kind of blunders.

Ohyoudidnt:
It's obvious who is repeating here.
Reforming questions at will.

1. Answered

No sir, you NEVER once answered the Question!

Who was in the Fire according to Qur'an 27:8-10?

I am still waiting!

Ohyoudidnt:
2. There's no need for that. Show where Allah in his majesty enters his creation if you ask the truth.

Was my claim that Allah entered his creation? No!

My question was:
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?

The Question is to see how powerful Allah is as there are just two possible answers.
1. Yes, Allah CAN enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah!
OR
2. No, Allah CANNOT enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah!


I am still waiting!

Ohyoudidnt:
3. This depends on context of use. Allah is lord above all things. My question on the lord is to clarify if it is the angel your scripture says appears to Moses in the fire or God that spoke. It seems your God requires a form before he can speak.
Does the scripture say the angel spoke on behalf of God or God is speaking through the angel?

Otherwise it is a waste in Exodus 2 saying There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.

Was the writer too lazy to add Angel of the lord in the following verses speaking on the directive of the lord?

The importance of the angel where there's already a fire doesn't make sense.

In other verses the significance of the Angel different from God is clear or isn't it?

Zechariah 1:12-21
Then the angel of the Lord said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You have no compassion for Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, with which You have been indignant these seventy years?” The Lord answered the angel who was speaking with me with gracious words, comforting words. So the angel who was speaking with me said to me, “Proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, “I am exceedingly jealous for Jerusalem and Zion.

Luke 1:11-13
And an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing to the right of the altar of incense. Zacharias was troubled when he saw the angel, and fear gripped him. But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John.

Luke 1:26-38
Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.


From the above verses it is clear the writer in Exodus made omissions or was lazy.

Is it UNTRUE that YHWH in the Bible can enter His creation without ceasing to be God?

If it is True, then it's non of your business how YHWH appear to any one.

Using your own logic:
From the verses of Qur'an 1:1-7, it is clear the writer of Al-Fathia made omissions or was lazy because he seemed to forget that he is supposed to be Allah speaking.

Why then does he say:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Did he forget that he is Allah?
[All] praise is [due] to Allāh, Lord
of the worlds
Did he forget that he is supposed to be Allah or does he have another Allah?
It is You we worship and You we ask for help
Tell me who Allah was worshipping here?
Guide us to the straight path -
Why does Allah need guidance and guidance from who?

Unfortunately, you have cut your nose by yourself as your claim is that Allah made a mistake or told a lie in saying that he gave the Torah with the Jews!

Ohyoudidnt:
4. Allah came to Muslims (past tense?).
When, where?

Guy another obvious lie of yours.

Let me rephrase as the evidence I supplied didn't help you one bit.

4. Tell me, when Allah SHALL came to you muslims in a different shape, did he stop being Allah?

Opportunity to shamelessly flee from the Question: here is the Hadith again:

Sahih al-Bukhari 7439
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
We said, "O Allah's Messenger! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon when the sky is clear?" We said, "No." He said, "So you will have no difficulty in seeing your Lord on that Day as you have no difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon (in a clear sky)."
....Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.

Ohyoudidnt:
5. What is with noticing style? Is the same language spoken and is it the same people?
Perhaps if these were the case you will have a case.

It seems you don't know that YHWH doesn't need to feign a sense of importance by repeatedly referring to himself as "majestic PLURAL" all the time unlike Allah?

How is it that Allah seems not to know so many historical details like, who Israel is or who are the people of Lot or the people of Abraham?

What changed?

Ohyoudidnt:
Do Jews and Christians see YHWH in the same sense?

Is it incorrect that Jews and Christians recognize YHWH as central to their faiths but they do not see Him in precisely the same way due to differing theological frameworks regarding God’s nature.

Yes the Jews and Christians see YHWH in the same sense.
The only difference is that Jews do not articulate the doctrine of God as the Father in Heaven, His visible form on Earth and the Holy Spirit UNLIKE the Christian who have articulated the doctrine of God in one word Trinity!

Ohyoudidnt:
6. The angel Jibril is often used to deliver messages from Allah to man. Muslims do not pray through Jibril where he now needs to regurgitate our prayers to Alllah.

You seem to be confusing your disputes with Jehovah witness here.


Now tell what you know for certain about the time of death of Ubay with reference to the standardisation of the Quran by Uthman?

Otherwise accept you have been your usual habitual waste of time.

This is not the question: I did not ask if prayers should be routed through Jibril or not.

The Question was:
6. Do you think Jibril (with 600 wings) has ANY Authority to SPEAK as Allah or to Speak for Allah?


In case you don't understand, when Jibril came to dictate the Qur'an to Mohammed, did he speak to Mohammed as Allah or spoke to Mohammed as a Messanger of All?



You can see how, simple questions you wouldn't answer. You would rather digress!
So, I deleted the ones for which you made some feeble attempt


The unanswered Questions again
1. Please who is inside the Fire according to the Qur'an ?

2. Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?

4. Tell me, when Allah SHALL came to you muslims in a different shape, did he stop being Allah when he appeared in a different shape? What happened to the original shape of Allah?

6. Do you think Jibril (with 600 wings) has ANY Authority to SPEAK as Allah or to Speak for Allah ?

Ohyoudidnt:
Keeping turning a blind eye to answered.

Allah was not physically present in the fire. When Allah spoke to Musa (AS) at the burning bush, it was through a miraculous means. The fire was a sign from Allah, and the voice came from Him, but His actual presence was not in the fire.

You obviously don't know the language of the scripture. This is what I highlighted earlier on


You keep forcing this invitation to your personal hadith confusion.

Does Allah need to descend to the lowest heaven according to the hadith you quote to hear prayers when he already says in the Quran that:

Quran 2:186 And when My servants ask you concerning Me, indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me.


and

Quran 50:16 And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein


Do you not see how you show the hadith confuses you on what Allah's relation with his creation Is?


Obviously you cannot assuredly answer the question on Ubay and are parrying in your characteristic time wasting nature.


What verb did you use to justify what the Jews did in trying to hide the truth of what the Thalmud prescribed for the punishment of fornication again?

Your lie remains a lie no matter how you make it up.

Repeating falsehood a million times will never make it the truth.

Please except you are surrendering and fleeing, answer my questions

Questions
1. Please who is inside the Fire according to the Qur'an ?
2. Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?
3. In Islam, is there a difference between Allah and Your Lord?
4. Tell me, when Allah came to you muslims in a different shape, did he stop being Allah?
5. What is your comment on this: Have you ever noticed that the STYLE of speech of Allah is very different from that of YHWH the God of Abraham , Moses, the Jews and Christians?
6. Do you think Jibril (with 600 wings) has ANY Authority to SPEAK as Allah or to Speak for Allah?



If Islam is the Truth, then truthfully answer the 6 questions above.




Like said earlier:
Repeating Falsehood a million times will not convert it into the TRUTH

Ohyoudidnt:
It is very obvious that the fire seen by Moses is not in hell or are you now saying Moses was in hell?

The lengths you go to in a failed bid to make a point. Where is it stated in the Bible or Quran that God or Allah forbade the fire from burning the bush?

You have just manufactured and imputed your own exegesis isn't it?

You see why the hadith you fondly love and refer to can have problems?

Can you review places where God spoke directly to man in your Bible against the confusion narrated that isn't clear if God or the Angel is speaking?

Where does the Bible categorically say God takes the form of an angel to speak to man?

You make reference to a normal angel and I wonder if there's an abnormal one?

The essence of the fire and the encounter of God with Moses appears not properly understood by you.

The fire or light and the spoken words of Allah are all his manifestation. The Quran doesn't share the confusion of putting an angel in the mix.

You pretend not to have seen my question of when Ubay ibn Ka'b died in relation to the standardisation of the Quran by Uthman. Can you refer and answer?

Has your God not spoken to people directly in the Bible without any intermediaries before and after Moses?

Your following questions are about Hadith and I have raised concerns about the variability of hadith narrations.

I don't know why you keep referring me to YHWH when Allah doesn't say he and YHWH are the same.

Give answers to my Questions before I take you seriously.
Otherwise, I assume this is an escapist manoeuvre by you.
It is understandable if you avoid answering my questions as I answered yours in detail afterall, you are a Muslim: its not any surprise

Again:
Here is the post if you are not scared


Your question is ridiculously naive.
When someone is thrown into the Fire of Hell, why doesnt he die?

You seem to forget that the Creator of everything can command to forbid the power of consumption of a Fire?
Are you saying that Allah cannot forbid a fire from burning someone?
It seems you have never read Quran 21:69

The Bush wasn't Burning Because God forbid the fire from consuming the bush as He was in the Fire as the one known as "The Angel of the Lord". YHWH often comes down in the Old Testament as a MAN or as an ANGEL known as the Angel of the Lord BECAUSE The Angel SPEAK AS GOD and not FOR GOD as an ordinary Angel.
Did God appear to Abraham as a Man in the Bible?
Exactly like that with the personage of "The Angel of the Lord"

Note: YHWH can enter His Creations without ceasing to be God.

Now will you answer my Questions that you escaped answering (and the same kind of response you give is how I will use to respond to your further question)
Question:
Qur'an 27:8-10
8: "So when he came to it (the Fire), he was called, 'Blessed is He who is in the fire and whatever is around it. And glory be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.'"
9: "'O Moses, indeed I am Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.'"
10: "'And throw down your staff.' But when he saw it writhing as if it were a serpent, he turned to flee and did not look back. 'O Moses, do not fear. Indeed, in My presence the messengers do not fear.'"

1. Please who is inside the Fire according to the Qur'an ?
2. Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?



God was the One in the Fire appearing as a personage called "The Angel of the LORD" by Moses.
LORD in capital letters is literally YHWH
Thus LORD is not different from God

3. In Islam, is there a difference between Allah and Your Lord?


You are repeating the Question.
A normal Angel is NOT God BUT God can take the form of an Angel and He would remain GOD!
The personage called the Angel of the LORD is God appearing in the form of an Angel. The Angel does not speak like a normal Angel but speaks in FIRST PERSON as God.

Question:
According to
Sahih al-Bukhari 7439
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
We said, "O Allah's Messenger! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon when the sky is clear?" We said, "No." He said, "So you will have no difficulty in seeing your Lord on that Day as you have no difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon (in a clear sky)."
....Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.


Question
4. Tell me, when Allah came to you muslims in a different shape, did he stop being Allah ?
5. What is your comment on this: Have you ever noticed that the STYLE of speech of Allah is very different from that of YHWH the God of Abraham , Moses, the Jews and Christians?
6. Do you think Jibril (with 600 wings) has ANY Authority to SPEAK as Allah or to Speak for Allah?


I have answered you questions with enough verses from the Old Testament for you to confirm even though you did not answer mine.
NOW,
I have put my major questions in RED so that you wouldn't claim not to see them!

CriminalTinubu:
Why did she take drugs in the first place?

She wasn't charged for drug taking. She was charged for not doing the mandatory tests within the stipulated time AND she has been cleared of the charge by the athletics federation