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Harnny:
O...I see now... you jumped on my response to someone else. So you weren't the original person I responded to. Apologies but was the only thing i wanted to address before you dragged me i to yhis conversation. Also, you jumped my responses inline your questions.

Apologies accepted!

However,
Can you show me any evidence that ONE of the many Names of Allah is Yahweh!

Sometimes when I pray, I bow to God in prayer (face down on the floor): am I a Muslim?
Sometimes when I pray, I stand on my feet to God in prayer : am I a Muslim?
Sometimes when I pray, I kneel to God in prayer : am I a Muslim?

Expanse2020:
To add to it
Just like verse you quoted about Adam A.S.
Before he created Adam he told the angels that he will also create another raised on the earth but because of jester the angel told him that he will be of corrupted mind..
So when created him finished then God examine and test them both angels including Satan and Adam but they fail woefully except Adam that God in his mercy taught what to say.. and God asked them to bow for Adam A.S. but shaitan said no..and that where he fail woefully because he fill Adam was created with just a wet clay soil, he be little him and Allah stripes him off his honor, dignity, and cast him out of the kingdom.. but before he live he asked for permission on some certain thing which are now affecting all children of Adam...
So later on Adam and Eve made a mistake to so he casted back to the initial place he provided for them Before but promise them (and his generation) if they become righteous on the earth they will gain the paradise back
And that is where Death, Suffering, Sin and others have in place in the earth as treasure in this earth...so everyone will return but what you did here will be what you will account for .

I never asked you the story of Adam.
Is it untrue that Adam was programmed by Allah to commit sin 40 years before he was even created?
This is another proof that Allah is satan in disguise as Adam did not make any mistake: Adam did the will of Allah!

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Nobody can carry another person burden or death.. each everyone will account for his atonement..

Really!
Why then did Allah say that he will use Christians and Jews as ransom for you Muslims from Hell fire?
Is this not another lie of Islam?

Why would Allah use us as ransom for the sin of Muslims which may be as high as the mountains?

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Did you believe in that statement I bolded that Jesus was a messenger of Allah not his son but his servant

Allah continue sayíng that Isa A.S. or Isho in Aramaic was a word of Allah (Be it and it Sha be.....let there be light and there is light that what knowledge you lack about the word of Allah) and spirit (he is not the only spirit , Jubril A.S is also a spirit that Allah always sent to all his prophets to conveying the message)

I do not in anyway believe your statement that that Jesus was a messenger of Allah not his son but his servant!
Jesus is many things in ONE!
Jesus is GOD!
Jesus is the WORD of God!
Jesus is a MESSENGER or SERVANT of GOD
Jesus the POWER of GOD
Jesus the WISDOM of GOD
Jesus the Second Adam
Jesus the Human

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To Him belongs what is in the heavens and what is in the earth. And Allah is enough to trust in. everything in the whole universe just like Sciencetist postulates there are Bellion of universe..
He is the Majesty, King of the kings

Allah said he make Adam as a prince on the earth does not mean Adam control a single part of this earth so don't twist nonsense.. if Adam control this earth he will change the cause happen between his children
So Adam A.S didn't control a bit in this Earth

NO BE ME TALK AM NA BIBLE TALK AM AND YOUR GOD SAID IT IN THE BIBLE
That satan is the god of this world.


Unlike in the bible that Satan is controlling your world instead of the Real God to do his work, Satan hijack the earth spaceship from God and Jesus combine and took total control and the bible said God vex send Jesus come to the world but didn't fulfill the work and God vex kill am back and said he will send holy spirit to do remaining work since Jesus can't do it...
But till today Satan still de rule still de shine , still de ment against holy spirit I hope Gode in the bible no go vex murdered holy spirit again too

Main question you asked and the answers is in the Quran with a lot of verses to back it up..
I will give few of it... You can read more from the Quran by getting a good copy of Quran not the one produce secretly from your sect to desturb us..
The wright and good one..

Suratul baqarat chapter 2
We shall certainly test you by afflicting you with fear, hunger, loss of properties and lives and fruits. Give glad tidings, then, to those who remain patient;

those who when any affliction smites them, they say: “Verily, we belong to Allah, and it is to Him that we are destined to return

'Saying' does not signify the mere making of a statement. It means a statement which is accompanied by a deep conviction in one's heart: 'To Allah do we belong.' This being so, a man is bound to think that whatever has been sacrificed for God has in fact attained its legitimate end, for it has been spent in the way of the One to whom all things truly belong.

'And it is to Him that we are destined to return' refers to the fact that man will not stay forever in this world and will return, sooner or later, to God. And if man is indeed destined to return to God why should he not return to Him having spent his all, having staked his life for His sake? This alternative is preferable to the pursuit of self-aggrandizement and then meeting death either by sickness or accident.

[And after the struggle and the patience what will they get in return

Upon them will be the blessings and mercy of their Lord, and it is they who are rightly guided

Help me praise Allah

ALLAH IS GREAT AND COMPASSIONATE

Thank you for proving that Allah is indeed Satan or Iblis!
You have concurred that Allah aka Satan is the one causing hardship and mischiefs on the earth and this is sufficient enough.

This is the only reason why Judgement and the end of the world is coming: a new heaven and a New Earth!

Too bad:
Just as Iblis aka Allah deceived Adam and Eve, Iblis has successfully deceived you into rejecting God's solution for your salvation.

If the will of Allah is fulfilled in causing Sin, Pain, Death, Evil and Calamities on the earth: why is he threatening hell on people who are doing his work of evil on the earth?

AbuTwins:
Simple question I asked is why Jesus's theos is a capital God while Satan's theos is in small letters god when Greek has no capital or small letters!

Hypocrisy 101!

Theos of Jesus = Theos of Satan! There's no difference!

And lastly,

Jesus said "All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father". Matthew 11:27.

This shows his father own all things right! He is the LORD of all things!

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Matthew 28:18

For his father to be able to give him authority that means he's the LORD of heaven and earth!

If Satan is the god of this world then Jesus shouldn't get the authority from him!

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;

This means Yahweh owns the world again according to the Bible. Same Israeli God you claimed falsely above!

See more examples but they may be for the God of Nigeria not Israeli!

1 Corinthians 10:26
for, "The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof."

Genesis 1:9
And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.

Genesis 14:22
But Abram replied to the king of Sodom, "I have raised my hand to the LORD God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth,

Exodus 9:29
Moses said to him, "When I have left the city, I will spread out my hands to the LORD. The thunder will cease, and there will be no more hail, so that you may know that the earth is the LORD's.

Deuteronomy 10:14
Behold, to the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, and the earth and everything in it.

Joshua 3:11
Behold, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth will go ahead of you into the Jordan.

Job 41:11
Who has given to Me that I should repay him? Everything under heaven is Mine.

So, are you saying that Jesus is a god and not God?
Take your pick and explain!
Otherwise, keep your mouth shut!
Only under this condition is your question remotely meaningful as theos mean Deity:

Secondly,
Explain why THEOS is also used for God Almighty in the New Testament testifies that Theos (God) is the “only” God (1Timothy 1:17), the only “true' God (John 17:3), the only “Holy One” (Revelation 15:4), and the only “wise One” (Romans 16:27). Since this is true, believers are to have no other gods besides the one true God [Theos} (Matthew 6:24).

Thirdly,
Can you explain why your Allah doesn't have a real name other than DIETY (Allah)!

gaskiyamagana:
Story from BIBLIE!
Tell me more of your story in dodging the fact that Christianity is founded on FICTION , FALLACY , FALSEHOOD , FABRICATION , MISINTERPRETATION and MISREPRESENTATION about True God and His prophets especially Isa (asw).

It is even more intriguing that BOTH your God Allah and the greatest example for mankind Mohammed were clueless of your great discovery.

Allah says that Christians whose doctrine according to you were based on falsehood, fiction, fallacy, fabrication, misinterpretation and misrepresentation of Islam are going to Paradise and their fabricated books were adopted by them!?

Can these be both real or fictitious impersonators of personalities of God and prophet?

gaskiyamagana:
How this response related to the content of Jeremiah 8: 8? Nawa oOoOO.

Because Jeremiah 8:8 applies perfectly to Mohammed with respect to the God of Jeremiah!
What is your evidence that Mohammed got his revelation from the same God of Moses?

Where did Mohammed get his Quran?
From from God or from a demon called Jibril?

Expanse2020:
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Jesus came from heaven abeg which plane, Abi jet or space craft carry am come earth

Where is Allah? Is it true that Allah is ABOVE the seventh Heaven?
Quran 4:171
O people of the Book, be not excessive in your Faith, and do not say about Allah anything but the truth.The MasīH ‘Īsā, the son of Maryam, is only a Messenger of Allah, and His Word that He had delivered to Maryam, and a spirit from Him. So, believe in Allah and His Messengers. Do not say “Three”. Stop it. That is good for you. Allah is the only One God. He is far too pure to have a son. To Him belongs what is in the heavens and what is in the earth. And Allah is enough to trust in.

Is Jesus no more a SPIRIT from Allah?
Did Allah come to the earth to speak his word that is Jesus or is Jibril Allah?

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God of Israel is not God of this world but gave different ruling,laws to them based on how they should leave and constantly warn them of Satan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

But you forgot in the bible that God of Israel said he created this world and every in it in genesis🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

God created everything including Humans, Satans, Angels and every animal: however is it untrue according to Islam that Adam was made a Khalifa to the earth?
Quran 2:30
Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

Tell me, is Adam still in charge of the world or satan?

Didn't God create the wood that idolaters carve to make idols?
Does it make the idol of God?

So also, God created the world and everything in it , however just like an idol made of wood, satan has commadiered the earth for himself. Thus satan is the god of this world.


I asked you a basic Question:
If Allah is the God of this world, why is there Pain, Suffering, Death, Sin and Evil everywhere on earth?

Harnny:
Back to my question... should everyone who bow down to God in the Bible be called head slammers... in your own words?

Once again I tell you, no Muslim will deny Jesus special relationship with God. I have answered your questions. Now answer mine. The Angels and every one that bows to God. Are they head slammers too?

Why would you manufacture a statement and attribute it to me?

Where ever did you see me call any muslim head slammer?

You have not answered my question: I didnt ask you if Muslims have a relationship with Jesus, I asked you WHY Allah sent Jesus to the world beyond the usual vague rhetorics

Again:
1. Why do you think Jesus did not have a father? If God can create Adam without either,
Didn't your prophets say that every descendant of Adam is a sinner?
why can't he make Jesus with one?
2. Why is Jesus the only co-creator of Life with Allah? where is this written?
3. Why is it that according to Islam, Jesus is not yet dead BUT is physically with Allah above the seventh heaven? Because Allah decrees it. He can do anything without question...
4. Why is it that Jesus know what you hide in your house according to Allah ion the Quran? Where is this written ?
5. WHy is Jesus the only human called the Spirit of Allah in Islam? Lol... you are referring to the same verse that debunked his divinity where Allah said he did everything with his permission and was supported by his spirit.
6. Why is Jesus the only human called the Word of Allah in Islam?


Are you saying that Allah wasted his resources on just one person in humanity and you don't know WHY Allah sent Jesus!?

If you don't know the answer tell me plainly and stop your evasive tactics.

Refer your question of head slamming for those who call you head slammers not me as it is irrelevant.

My own position is that Allah is not Yahweh: and if this is TRUE, no amount of worship or prayers will make your activities directed to the God of Moses and Israel.

Can you show me any evidence that ONE of the many Names of Allah is Yahweh!

Sometimes when I pray, I bow to God in prayer (face down on the floor): am I a Muslim?
Sometimes when I pray, I stand on my feet to God in prayer : am I a Muslim?
Sometimes when I pray, I kneel to God in prayer : am I a Muslim?

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Allah is the lord of All universe not only this world....you can twist yourself the wet u like is your problem....

Is Jesus the lord of this world
Is Yahweh the lord of this world
Did Jesus/Yahweh created this world or Satan created this world

Your Quran didnt mention Universe o!
Is it untrue that Allah is the Lord of the Seven heavens and the seven Earth
Quran 65:12
Allah is the One Who created seven heavens ˹in layers˺, and likewise for the earth. The ˹divine˺ command descends between them so you may know that Allah is Most Capable of everything and that Allah certainly encompasses all things in ˹His˺ knowledge.

We are still looking for the seven earths till now!
Sahih al-Bukhari 3196
Narrated Salim's father:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Any person who takes a piece of land unjustly will sink down the seven earths on the Day of Resurrection."


Mishkat al-Masabih 2960
He told of hearing God’s Messenger say, “If anyone wrongly takes a span of land God who is great and glorious will make him dig it till he gets to the end of seven earths, and then he will have it tied round his neck till the day of resurrection until men are judged.”

It seems that the seven earths is just this earth: Allah is indeed the god of this world!

Since you admit that Allah is the Lord of this world, can you explain why Sin, EVIL and PAIN is the order of the day in Allahs kingdom?

Harnny:
You need to be careful, even Christian Arabs call God Allah... the line that you are towing in your reference to Allah is yours alone... I saw this reference in your previous messages but chose to ignore. The Jew have a different approach but Yahweh still refers to God, The Christians also have a different approach yet the Father references God, the Muslims have a different approach and Allah still references God... If you have a contrary opinion, that is your prerogative. The question I asked you, you refused to answer but denied calling Muslims head slammer, If you deny this now, there is no basis for this argument anymore.

Allah, Eloha, Elohim, God/god, Olorun, Chukwu, Deos all mean DEITY!

The name of the Allah or Deity of the Christians is Yahweh!
Is the name of the Deity of the Muslims Yahweh?

If the name of your God isn't Yahweh , then your God (Allah) is not the same as the God of the Jews and Christians.

Have you ever met any Christian who says that the name of his God is Allah ?

Harnny:
On a endnote, Jesus is just as important to the Muslims as Mohammed is, if not more, We do not doubt that he has a specific relationship with God. Jesus was not crucified but was instead raised to the heavens by God. Before the Day of Judgment, Jesus will return to Earth, descending from the heavens in the city of Damascus. Our only argument is not to equate him to the same level as "the Father"

I ask you basic questions about Jesus for he is spoken of in the Qur'an by Allah and in the Hadiths by Mohammed.

Don't tell me you don't know anything specific with respect to my questions to you

Why do you think
1. Jesus did not have a father?
Didn't your prophets say that every descendant of Adam is a sinner?
2. Why is Jesus the only co-creator of Life with Allah?
3. Why is it that according to Islam, Jesus is not yet dead BUT is physically with Allah above the seventh heaven?
4. Why is it that Jesus know what you hide in your house according to Allah ion the Quran?
5. WHy is Jesus the only human called the Spirit of Allah in Islam?
6. Why is Jesus the only human called the Word of Allah in Islam?


Are you saying that Allah wasted his resources on just one person in humanity and you don't know WHY Allah sent Jesus!?

Can you truthfully answer WHY without just saying narratives?

AbuTwins:
Abeg how is Satan who is god (theos) of this world same as Allah who is the LORD (YAHWEH) of ALL the worlds (plural)?

Anyways, Una get eyes no insight! Your Holy spirit na cruise devil!

You guys are hypocrites and liars!
Let me tell you why.

In John 1:1...."the logos was with theos" was translated as 'the word was with (Capital) God!

Now in 2 Corinthians 4:4, Satan is the theos of this world is translated as Satan is the god of this world!

When theos is used for Jesus it is capital God!
When it is used for Satan then it is small god!

Why not equate Jesus to Satan since Satan and Jesus are both theos from John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4.

Alhamdulillah, I no dey too engage all of Una!

Hypocrisy is an untreatable heart disease!

Gakiyamagana and expanse2020 I hail Una o!

Can you find me a single place where the God of Israel described Himself as the God of this world?

Is it untrue that Jesus who came from heaven called satan the ruler of this world?

How then is Allah different from Iblis?

Here is 2Cor 4:3-4, theos mean Deity . A Deity can be God the Creator or even an idol. This is why God/god, Eloha, Allah, Elohim is just a TITLE while Yahweh is the NAME!

Is the Allah of the northern Nigerian idol worshippers you God?



2 Cor 4:3-4:
"If our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, those unbelievers whose minds have been blinded by the god of this world to prevent them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."


This scripture is well fitting for Allah because he is the one who veiled your eyes and blinded your mind against the Gospel of Christ so that you will be lost to Hell fire.

Do you believe the Gospel of Christ for your salvation?

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not ordinary lord
Lord of the universe.....
King of all kings
Did you understand the meaning now
But your own God struggle with Satan over who is the god of the world
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It's ridiculous man

Aka satan, the god and prince of this world!

Since you admit that Allah is the Lord of this world, can you explain why Sin, EVIL and PAIN is the order of the day in Allahs kingdom?

Harnny:
I don't know whats worse, the fact that you want to invalidate Islam, or you are using Islam to validate Christianity.

Islam has already invalidated itself for anyone who desires the TRUTH.

Harnny:
You have gone all around throwing Jesus when I have not for once argues with you about the status of Jesus.

If you cannot from Islam explain the reason why Jesus is this spacial even in Islam, you are already decieved by Iblis and you are on your way to hell.

Why do you think
1. Jesus did not have a father?
Didn't your prophets say that every descendant of Adam is a sinner?
2. Why is Jesus the only co-creator of Life with Allah?
3. Why is it that according to Islam, Jesus is not yet dead BUT is physically with Allah above the seventh heaven?
4. Why is it that Jesus know what you hide in your house according to Allah ion the Quran?
5. WHy is Jesus the only human called the Spirit of Allah in Islam?
6. Why is Jesus the only human called the Word of Allah in Islam?

Can you truthfully answer WHY without just saying narratives?

Harnny:
The argument still remain, why call Muslims head slammers when even in the Bible , God was prayed to by both humans, Angels, and even Jesus bowing down. Can we , by your definition, call them head slammers too?

I don't call Muslims head slammers

The argument is not about praying or not. The issue is about following God's prescribed way of salvation.


In Islam, do you get Born Again?
In Islam, do you teach people to be born Again?
Satan tells you that it is NOT necessary condition to escape the fire of Hell and you believe him.

Islam came to give you a dummy (full of religious activities) but lacking God's SOLUTION for entering paradise all based on the deception of Iblis.

This is exactly what Iblis did for Adam and Eve. He gave them another formula different from what God earlier told them.

Expanse2020:
Is there no different between prince of this world and god of the world 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Abi you don't understand English again niii
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Chaii

Why then does Allah call himself Lord instead of God

Expanse2020:
So Satan is the lord of this world but I taught your God also said he created the earth and everything in 6days and rest in seven day...
But satan hijack it from your God and take control of the world... So when Jesus come to proof he his god na so Satan order his crucifixion to show he his the God of the world ...
It has cleared to me now that[b] your God didn't created this world nor not the owner of this world [/b] based on evidence you showed me from the bible.. thanks for the info...
But why did Jesus or God they claimed them created an rule this world when they are not the one controlling the world 🤔

I have at least shown you that Allah and Iblis is essentially the same person: the god of this world!

Adam and Eve lost control of the Earth to satan ( I know that this isn't what Iblis taught you)!

Jesus clearly called satan the prince of this world!

This is enough for you to think!

gaskiyamagana:
Jeremiah 8: 8 was in the Quran that is why it is about Qur'an, your ROBOTICAL makers need to give you routine service and maintenance.

Is their any prophet called Jeremiah in the Quran? I know of none!
My Question was simple!

Does Allah know of any prophet called Jeremiah?
What is the name of his Book?

It seems Jeremiah 8:8 applies perfectly to Mohammed with respect to the God of Jeremiah!
What is your evidence that Mohammed got his revelation from the same God of Moses?

Simple questions and you get tongue tied.

gaskiyamagana:
To prove that Christianity is founded on FICTION, FALLACY , FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISREPRESENTATION AND MISINTERPRETATION of TRUE GOD and prophets especially Isa ( asw) ? Wait for that from me till second coming of your Jesus.

I knoiw that you would never have a proof for anything, thus I have to wait till Judgement day.

No problem: However, whatever you do, get born again else, you are already deceived and on your way to hell.

The same way satan deceived Adam and Eve by telling them that they would not die but become like Angels (according to Islam), the same way satan is deceiving you that there is another way of salvation outside Jesus Christ.

Of course, I cannot be guilty of you because I have shown you The Way , The Truth and The Life

Jesus said:
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

But the Deceiver said: No!
He said that you should focus on doing a religion called Islam and all will be well.

You and I know that even Sinless Babies in Islam are not guaranteed Paradise: how much more you an adult

Harnny:
Let me get back to the original question:

Here are references to how to pray in the Bible

1 Kings 8:54 (NIV):
"When Solomon had finished all these prayers and supplications to the Lord, he rose from before the altar of the Lord, where he had been kneeling with his hands spread out toward heaven."

Psalm 95:6 (NIV):
"Come, let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."

Daniel 6:10 (NIV):
"Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before."

Matthew 26:39 (NIV):
"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.'"

Luke 22:41 (NIV):
"He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed."

For Humans

Revelation 7:11 (NIV):
"All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God."

Isaiah 6:2-3 (NIV):
"Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. And they were calling to one another: 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory.'"

For Angels.... I guess you can call them head slammers as well.

In Fathia, I did hear the mention of Jews or Christians, I do know that when referring to those, they are called directly by those names or referenced as people of the book. So your conclusion holds no basis.


Also, can you provide a reference that called all Christians and Jews as Najis, In the Quran?

Also, you refer to an Hadith on the last hour, you think the Bible is devoid of violence and destruction. let me refer you to some chapters.

Deuteronomy 20:16-18 (NIV):
"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God."

1 Samuel 15:3 (NIV):
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."

Psalm 137:9 (NIV):
"Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

Joshua 6:21 (NIV):
"They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys."

I do know God is incomprehensible and he is a spirit. You can call on him anywhere and most things , even the right full sex is seen as an act of worship. But when I want to Pray to have a conversation with my God, I would rather be clean and lie down flat devoid of any earthly pride. Thats in spirit, and in truth.

Unfortunately as Muslims you don't know that Christians take ANY position in prayer.
We can
*Kneel to Pray
*Stand to Pray
*Sit to Pray
*Walk in Prayer
*We pray in our vehicles
*We pray on the Plane
*Bow to pray
We are not BOUND by postures in Prayers

Our God is not one located in either Mecca or Jerusalem, therefore we need not face any direction to pray!

Let me help you by using your exact formula

1. Do you Muslims look up to pray?
John 17:1
When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you,
[b]Mark 7:34
And looking up to heaven, he sighed and said to him, “Ephphatha,” that is, “Be opened.”[/b]

2. Do you Muslims go up the mountain to pray?
Matthew 14:23
And after he had dismissed the crowds, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone,

3. Here is ahypocrite who prayed standing like you Muslims
Luke 18:10-14
“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Do you muslims pray beating your chest when you?

4. We don't make repetitions of memorised words when we pray. Don't you make recitations of rakats like
Reciting, 'Allahumma salli 'alaa Muhammadiw wa 'alaa aali Muhammadin, kamaa sallayta 'alaa Ibraheema wa 'alaa aali Ibraheema, innaKa Hameedum Majeed. Allahumma baarik 'alaa Muhammadiw wa 'alaa aali Muhammadin, kamaa baarakta 'alaa Ibraheema wa 'alaa aali Ibraheema, innaKa Hameedum Majeed'

Mathew 6:7-8
7 And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

5. We can pray sitting, do you?
2 Samuel 7:18:
"Then King David went in and sat before the Lord, and he said: 'Who am I, Sovereign Lord, and what is my family, that you have brought me this far?'"

6. Are you permitted to walk in-between prayers in Islam without doing ablution?
Matthew 26:39:
"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed , 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.'"


My friend:
RELIGION will send you to hell fire. Jesus has come to save you.

Why do you think
1. Jesus did not have a father?
Didn't your prophets say that every descendant of Adam is a sinner?
2. Why is Jesus the only co-creator of Life with Allah?
3. Why is it that according to Islam, Jesus is not yet dead BUT is physically with Allah above the seventh heaven?
4. Why is it that Jesus know what you hide in your house according to Allah ion the Quran?
5. WHy is Jesus the only human called the Spirit of Allah in Islam?
6. Why is Jesus the only human called the Word of Allah in Islam?

Lukuluku69:
Already typing as if a Typewriter resides in him!

You were the one that said that Prayer is for your future Messiah. When you say many irrelevant stuff, you get cut out.

When did I say we Christians pray for the coming Messiah?
It s obvious you muslims cannot do without telling fabricated lies!

Lukuluku69:
As for the TWO Jerusalems, read what Paul says and who they belongs to.
I am not here to type epistle.

The Jerusalem of Hagar/Ishmael is where who will Be CONTINUALLY PRAYED for will come from

It is you who know what Paul said about who the two Jerusalems belonged to.

Are you afraid that I am going to flog your bum bum for misrepresenting the scripture!?
The truth is static and stable!
Bring it on if you dare: I am waiting for you to quote Paul in the scripture!

Lukuluku69:
The numbers the Jewish Scribes have done on you lots!

So, your Messiah in his second coming will need to be CONTINUALLY PRAYED for to succeed? Well, since he was hanged up on the first coming it is logical to pray for him in his second coming.

Show me one Christian praying for Jesus or the second coming of Jesus!
Another strawman loading: cant you do without false accusation?

Isn't you Muslims the one who daily continually pray for Mohammed?

Lukuluku69:
And talking about Jerusalem, Paul the Liar clearly told you that there are TWO JERUSALEMS in the Bible. Clearly.

He even named who those Jerusalem belongs to. Perhaps he wrote that when he visited Arabia himself.

TENQ there are 2 Jerusalems. One for Issac and one for Ishmael.

Ignorance described in full is an underestimation of your folly.
There are indeed TWO Jerusalems
1. The Jerusalem here on Earth (the city of David)
2. The Jerusalem coming from Heaven (the heavenly city) - This is after the end of this world!

Rev 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Ezekiel 48:35
The perimeter of the city will be 18,000 cubits, and from that day on the name of the city will be: THE LORD IS THERE."

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

Lukuluku69:
Issac Jerusalem has been trampled upon repeatedly while that of Ishmael went thru the same with Meccans Idolaters but once it was cleansed, it has remained cleansed forever as stated in your Bible.

Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.


That is the Jerusalem that that Psalm was talking about.

How can one Jerusalem be that of Isaac when Jerusalem didn't exist in the time of Isaac. Jerusalem became the capital of Israel during the reign of David king of Israel. Jerusalem was formally called Jebus and it was the city of the Jebusites.

If the premise is wrong, every other thing built on it is wrong sir. Mecca is cleansed forever!?
Who told you this?
Was it Mohammed or Allah?

Why dont you first answer my Questions first?
I challenged you to show us how Allah the Taoheed descend every night from above the highest heaven to the lowest heaven without leaving his palace vacant!

Allah is limited. This is the necessary condition of the Taoheed. Allah is as one as Iblis is one.

Expanse2020:
Is it true that Satan is the God of this world?

Satan is NOT God but he is "the god of this world"!
This is why the world is full of sin, selfishness and pain. This is why God will one day end this world and lock up satan in Hell.

Indeed, satan is the god of this world

2Cor 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Just fit Allah into the highlighted in red: Allah and his Mohammed has blinded your eyes so that you will not see the light of the gospel

Other scriptures
Jesus said:
John 12:31
Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

John 14:30
I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;


This is amazing as Allah takes up the same title as satan

Quran 7:54
Surely, your Lord is Allah who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He positioned himself on the Throne. He covers the day with the night that pursues it swiftly. (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, subjugated to His command. Lo! To Him alone belong the creation and the command. Glorious is Allah, the Lord of all the worlds.

Quran 56:80
˹It is˺ a revelation from the Lord of all worlds.

Is Allah satan in disguise?

gaskiyamagana:
Verification from another religion is answer to accusation against your religion?
You are diagnosed of headache, but you ask the doctor to use the treatment on himself so that you will know how effective the treatment is?

It seems you don't know me: when do you see me give you proofs from the bible except it was specifically asked by you muslims?

I ask for verification from your own Islamic sources!

gaskiyamagana:
Jargon, jargons you wrote here related to the content of Jeremiah 8 : 8 ?
I know you, each and every time confronted with truth, one wire in your ROBOTICAL body always spark and cause malfunction.

Instead of answering the simple question, you are behaving like a low-budget dummy robot

Does Allah know of any prophet called Jeremiah?
What is the name of his Book?

It seems Jeremiah 8:8 applies perfectly to Mohammed with respect to the God of Jeremiah!
What is your evidence that Mohammed got his revelation from the same God of Moses?

gaskiyamagana:
As usual and as expected, run away reply to the issue raised. Continue to ask whatever you are PROGRAMED about Islam, someone who don't know you are roboticalized against Islam with answer you, never me.

You raised no issue: you only stated an accusation of Fiction, Fallacy, Falsehood, Fabrication, Misrepresentation and Misinterpretation against me!

To these accusation, I have responded with just two samples for verification to check if if you are correct or not.
Again:
1. Is it true or untrue that even muslim babies cannot guarantee paradise in Islam?
Is this a FICTION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a FALLACY to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a FALSEHOOD to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a FABRICATION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a MISREPRESENTATION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a MISINTERPRETATION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?

2. Is it true or untrue that Allah's throne is carried by 8 strong Angels?
If every angels is limited,
Is this a FICTION to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a FALLACY to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a FALSEHOOD to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a FABRICATION to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a MISREPRESENTATION to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a MISINTERPRETATION to claim that Allah too must be limited?


Even with damning evidences, muslims have been programed to accept falsehood instead of the TRUTH!

gaskiyamagana:
T H R A S H ! ! !
His own rules in RELIGION or science, Mr 'Religion doesn't save ' ?

I know Isa (asw) from Qur'an of no Jeremiah 8:8; more than your BIBLIE presented him to you Christians. Therefore, you possessed only roboticalized mental process to tell me otherwise.

Does Allah know of any prophet called Jeremiah?
What is the name of his Book?

It seems Jeremiah 8:8 applies perfectly to Mohammed with respect to the God of Jeremiah!
What is your evidence that Mohammed got his revelation from the same God of Moses?

gaskiyamagana:
As l always said, being anti Islam robot, that is why you are unaware of it in the internet, tick tock, Instagram etc.

The one who is programmed is the one who cannot provide proof for a question abut instead refer me to some fictitious web address through which he himself was programmed not to be able to apply reason.

Please respond:
Is it wrong to be AGAINST any religion of FALSEHOOD and fight it with the Truth?

gaskiyamagana:
Just as you concealed MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE !

TIll today, Muslim scholars are trying desperately to find Mohammed mentioned in the Bible!

Can you tell me: Mohammed was mentioned as what in the Bible?

gaskiyamagana:
Continue to paraphrasing my accusation that Christianity is founded on FICTION, FALLACY FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISREPRESENTATION AND MISINTERPRETATION of TRUE GOD and prophets especially Isa (asw).

1. Is it true or untrue that even muslim babies cannot guarantee paradise in Islam?
Is this a FICTION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a FALLACY to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a FALSEHOOD to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a FABRICATION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a MISREPRESENTATION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?
Is this a MISINTERPRETATION to claim that Muslim adults have worse fate than the so-called muslim baby that died?

2. Is it true or untrue that Allah's throne is carried by 8 strong Angels?
If every angels is limited,
Is this a FICTION to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a FALLACY to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a FALSEHOOD to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a FABRICATION to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a MISREPRESENTATION to claim that Allah too must be limited?
Is this a MISINTERPRETATION to claim that Allah too must be limited?


Even with damning evidences, muslims have been programed to accept falsehood instead of the TRUTH!

gaskiyamagana:
He is now reasoning with me that it is wasting of precious time, reasoning and argument with anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED being like you. Yet, whenever he is less busy or think that it is good for you to enter hell, he will attend to you, but for me hell is not created for shaytan alone, TenQ and his friends who wanted to join him are free.

Its so insane that those who are heavily programmed doesn't know they are programmed and are accusing others of being programmed!

1. Did Mohammed marry his daughter in-law?
YES: but he is still the best example for mankind
2. Did Allah say that Allah Muslims will be in the fire of hell for at least some time?
YES: but muslims will be over the fire on a bridge of sirat
3. Did Jesus dies on the cross?
NO: but every historical sources and the Gospels say that Jesus died on the Cross
4. Did Allah say that the Holy Spirit is Jibril?
NO: but the consensus of the scholars is that Jibril is the Holy Spirit
5. Are their errors on the Quran?
YES: but muslims say that the errors are not errors
6. Was Mohammed a pedophile?
YES: but Aisha despite all islamic hadiths proving that she was 8 or 9 years old, we modern muslims prefer to say that she was 18 years old girl who plays with dolls
7. Is Jesus the ONLY creator of Life aside Allah in the Quran?
YES: but Jesus is still lower than Mohammed
8. Did Mohammed claim that he doesn't know if he would be in paradise or hell and it also include ALL you Muslims?
YES: but we have reviewed the hadiths to say that Mohammed will be the first to be resurrected AND he will intercede for all muslims to enter paradise


Tell me sir: who is the one who is programmed?

gaskiyamagana:
When I say something about :
1.You , your mentality, ignoramousity and sheer hypocrite ;

What is it called when a person is thoroughly beaten logically and factually such that he cannot win the argument but in desperation decides to focus on slandering his debater?
LOL!

gaskiyamagana:
2. Your religion as founded on FICTION, FALLACY, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION, MISREPRESENTATION AND MISINTERPRETATION of TRUE GOD and prophets, especially Isa (asw).
Whoever read it will think that l am exaggerating. Alas! The above about Islam of your roboticalized being is comparison of foundation of Islam to convincing confusion of foundation of Christianity; which is NEVER SO.
I am not a fool to join issues with you on your foolery about Islam, until and unless you are disable, reprogram with input of accepting TRUE information about Islam and reboot.
I am not saying others discussing with you are fools, but I just wonder how they are WASTING THEIR time, reasoning and argument.

Unfortunately, both Mohammed and Allah thinks differently from you.
When did you become more knowledgeable than Allah?

Mr. Gaskiyamagana
I am doing this to save your from the deception of satan who told you that Islam is the way of salvation exactly as Iblis told Adam and Eve that they wouldn't die but become like Angels if they ate from the forbidden tree.
Do not die without knowing the TRUTH in Christ Jesus!
If RELIGION saves, we will only have the Religion of MOSES except you can prove otherwise: but Religion doesn't save. Only God saves BUT according to His own RULES

God2man2again:
Issue 1: Why would a man of God buy private jet?

If the Jet was from church members donation, its a NO, otherwise, the MOG is an ordinary human being!
Are MOG human beings and do humans love to live in wealth if they can?

God2man2again:
Issue 2: The Bible was written by some people.

God did not write nore dictate ANY book in the Bible.
God moved some people to document and chronicle events happening to Gods people when they obeyed or disobeyed God as a means of teaching the current readers.

Which scripture in existence is written by God and can be tested as from God?

God2man2again:
Issue 3: They should sell the church buildings and use the money to build factory.

The purpose of the church is not for this world but for the afterlife

If the church does that and factories boom: would the factories end up building churches in future?

God2man2again:
Issue 4: Chinese people are not religious yet they are better than us.

It is scripture that People reap whatever they have sown.
What have we sown as a Nation that would necessarily make us better?

God2man2again:
Issue 5: The men of God are the cause of the problem in Nigeria, they don't allow people to work, all they know is prayers, prayers, prayers and fasting.

MOG are not the problem but part of the problem. Even if there exist not one single MOG in Nigeria, our problems will not change

Are the MOG the ones who borrow huge funds for Nigeria and embezzle it?

God2man2again:
Issue 6: The men of God establish universities to exploit the poor members, the universities can only be attended by rich church members, the poor people that paid the Tithe and offering cannot afford to go to the Church established universities.

Universities are expensive to run.
If you have a Boeing 747, will you carry Nigerians from Lagos to Abuja at N10,000 per trip as a show of love or will you charge slightly below the market price?

God2man2again:
Issue 7: What are they doing with the tithe and offering?

Several things scriptural and unscriptural. Tithes and offerings is supposed to be used to take care of the church manpower, infrastructure and members welfare.

Where do you suggest the church get money for paying off their electricity bills?

God2man2again:
Issue 8: Nigeria Street is so full of many churches while there is no factory, no job.

It is the responsibility of Government and Citizens to build factories and not churches: they serve different purposes.

Why dont banks set up factories?

God2man2again:
Issue 9: All men of God in Nigeria are fake.

False.
Are ALL Nigerians 419?

God2man2again:
Issue 10: There is no God. Why is there so much suffering in the world if truly there is God?

God gave the world to humans to build.
The Earth is an exam field.

What do you think will happen to suffereing if ALL humans love their neigbours as themselves?

God2man2again:
Issue 11: Men of God should not move with any escorts because God can protect. Why are they moving with escorts if truly God can protect them?

I agree, MOG shouldnt move with escorts, however:
Not all "MOG" are truly MOG.
MOG are human beings!

God2man2again:
Issue 12: Prayers cannot solve our problems, we have been praying all these years, yet nothing happened.

Prayers is NOT for exclusively for solving problems. Prayers include Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving and Supplication
God promised to bless the works of your hands and not otherwise

God2man2again:
If you are Christian and you would like to contribute to these issues, it would be highly appreciated but if you are not a Christian, your opinion is not welcome because I have already raised the issues of what you have been saying all these years.

Thank you.

5.
These are all None-issues and a distraction to Evangelism.

The purpose of Evangelism is to explain that
1. ALL Humans have the problem of SIN as inborn contamination
2. Our nature of SIN make us useless to God and thus a candidate for Gods refuse dump (Hell)
3. Gods LOVE made Him create a SOLUTION
4. Jesus was the Sacrificial LAMB of God to take our PUNISHMENT for those who Believe AND choose to live under His Rule of Purity, Love and Service to God
5. ANYONE who Believes in Gods SOLUTION and ACTS on them is given the SEAL of Ownership of God
6. Anyone who have received the SEAL of God is the one called Born Again.

advocatejare:
You didn’t include “Muhammad is the best of mankind”

Those people are real jokers. Maybe their best means worst

Of course, Too many lies that can't be fully enumerated as Islam is based on cascade of lies and fabrications all from the father of all lies and his able messanger who cannot do but conjure even more lies