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Ohyoudidnt:
I refuse to answer any of your repeat or straw appending questions.

I have shown the irrefutable core principle of monotheistic belief of Islam and challenged you to show same in your religion.

You refuse to answer because my questions exposes your deceptions and deviations from the true Islam.

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


You said what you believed about Islam but you wouldn't allow us to test its validity with simple questions. Some people believe that the COW is their mother: a statement of believe is nothing if it cannot be tested with questions.

I gave you two full pages I explanation of the Christian doctrine to which you had zero answers to.

Ohyoudidnt:
It remains a mystery to me how 1 is 3 or is it 3 that are 1.

Probably because Allah has stolen your cognitive faculties.
1. When Jibril became a perfect man to see Mary, did he stop being an angel?
2. Did your prophet truly see Abraham and Moses in paradise or not when he rode on the Al-Buraq to paradise?
3. Why would Angels question your soul instead of your body that you used to commit all manner of filthy sins?

Of course only a reprobate mind on his way to hell fire will still be confused!

Ohyoudidnt:
Having a human mind, body and soul is not comparable as these are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. Have you seen a soul or spirit before? Is the spirit/soul at any point somewhere and the body at another?

Are you saying that the Soul/Spirit of a man doesn't exist using your proof that no one has seen them?

Your last question just show exactly how naive you are?

When your prophet went to paradise, we're the prophets first resurrected and take to heaven so that Mohammed can see them?

Ohyoudidnt:
Of the soul/spirit, body or mind which is the greatest? I believe in the Father,son and holy spirit the father is the greatest.

1. The Body, Soul and Spirit are meant to function as ONE.
2. Death is a aberration that disconnect the Body from the Soul/Spirit.
3. Resurrection is a restoration of the perfect nature of man. Even those in Hell Fire like Mohammed will have their bodies restored to them.

The Father is greater than the Son only because the Word humbled Himself as such (The Word CANNOT feel the pain of hunger or wound or Lack BUT the Son can) . Even then, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit function as ONE just as your Body, Soul and Spirit function as ONE Being.

Too bad you don't understand the concept of God's Love nor the concept of Sin!

Ohyoudidnt:
These questions have been asked by you repeatedly in and out of this subject.

Pretty much like a broken record I'm afraid. You have been answered by different people but you always go around with these same sets of straws.

I'll pass thank you.

But at least two of these questions I've never asked a single Muslim on Nairaland


1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


I've reduced it into two questions for you.


Are you still afraid?

Ohyoudidnt:
What's the relation to the Tauhid ?

It has every thing to do with Taoheed.

Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

Are you afraid?

gaskiyamagana:
Don't dodge the issue; which is biblical God is FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE, very shameless and glaring that his sons are now deleting, removing and correcting the blunders he made in those verses I listed.

Can you show me any where God wrote ANY chapter of the Bible?

We say Allah is in Error in the Qur'an and you are blaming the Bible. Did the Bible make Allah wrong? Did the Bible make Allah say a things that are incorrect and are given to humans to say?

gaskiyamagana:
Stop wasting your explanations, as an anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, no explanation will he accept until and unless he is formatted and reboot with objectivity of reasoning on Islam, not necessarily accepting it.

Eyah until I become infected with the disease of Islam and starts a behaviour of not believing Allah nor Mohammed and not thinking but blindly trusting the consensus of Islamic scholars!?

gaskiyamagana:
We are seeing how biblical God is protecting his words that his sons are deleting and removing like those I listed before!!!

So, you admit that Allah cannot have a son unless he has sex with a consort!?

And you are saying that Allah is powerless either to stop them from changing his words or could it be that it was the Destiny of Allah all along that is at play?

gaskiyamagana:
Stop wasting your explanations, as an anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, no explanation will he accept until and unless he is formatted and reboot with objectivity of reasoning on Islam, not necessarily accepting it.

Unfortunately, it is you who have not being able to respond to simple questions as it betrays the inability of Allah.

Please respond to the questions below
1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

These do not require explanations but answers! LOL!

gaskiyamagana:
Uhunn! Allah is the one that did not protect the Bible verses I listed which His sons are now deleting, emoving and reviewing?

Does Allah have sons?
You know that Allah cannot have one because he doesn't have a girlfriend or is it consort!

Is this untrue?

gaskiyamagana:
Correct version of the Quran is the fault biblical God's errors and mistakes which his sons are ashamed of, started and still continue to remove, review and revised?

Is this the correct version of Qur'an 9:31?
Did anyone tell you that the Bible was dictated or written by God or man?

Allah himself dictated a book that is supposed to be so simple to understand BUT, we need the scholars to tell us what Allah is saying?

I am still waiting :
At least we know that Allah cannot protect his words. Out of the supposedly 124,000 prophets of Allah, we can only find the Torah, Injeel and Zabur (oh I forgot the Qur'an). What kind of Librarian is this?
Allah is a terrible keeper of his words!

What is the correct version of Qur'an 9:31?

advocatejare:
Thank you brother. Sometimes you need to answer a fool according to his folly lest he thinks he’s wise.

I appreciate your concerned. Point well noted. Thanks

I understand Bro!
They don't mind mud play it's their nature!

Ohyoudidnt:
You are free to believe what you want. Tenq did not create Allah and cannot define what or how Allah is.


Allah is the greatest and nothing is like unto him.

La hawla wa la quwwata illa billah

There is no power and no strength except with Allah.

Not withstanding this: Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

Ohyoudidnt:
As the others are essentially repetition I will reply to this.

The phrase “Allah descends” is seen as an expression of divine mercy and attentiveness rather than a literal descent from one place to another. It highlights the significance of that time for spiritual reflection, devotion, and seeking closeness to Allah through prayer and remembrance.

The concept of Allah descending does not imply a physical movement from one place to another as Allah is believed to be omnipresent and beyond physical limitations. Instead, this hadith is understood metaphorically or symbolically to emphasize Allah’s mercy, attention, and closeness to His creation during that time of the night.


What is the significance of the prayer vigil done in Christianity?

I would have agreed with you if not because Mohammed is not known to speak figuratively of Allah.

Mohammed could have said that Allah sends down his attributes NOT that Allah descend into the Lowest Heaven. I am sure that not one single hadith support you on this.

There are factors which make it not figurative
1. It occurs Every Night.
2. The location is the Lowest Heaven.
Are these figurative too?

Not withstanding this: Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

Ohyoudidnt:
What did the Quran copy?

The Quran is a revelation.

Revelations of Tales of the Ancients!
The Parable of the Seven Sleepers!

You didn't know this!?

Kukutente23:
If you link Psalms 72 to Jesus it will still be tenable since Jesus is from the lineage of Solomon and a member of the tribe of Judah.
But how do you link a Jewish coronation prayer to an Arab?
It is similar to linking God save the king to Ooni of Ife

It is actually disgraceful how he ended up twisting a presumed appearance of "Arab" in a verse to mean the entire chapter is referring to Muhammad. That's the height of desperate intellectual dishonesty!!
This is more shocking when in fact, the verse says those in "Arabia"(who are invariably his enemies) will come to lick the feet of the subject of the prayer.
If anything, the Lukuluku guy invariably concluded that Muhammad will come to lick the feet of Jesus!!

Mohammed is dead!
David was telling Solomon the prophecy of the Messiah : This is why simple questions betray their lies and falsehood.

advocatejare:
If you are the true son of your father and you are sure that I posted a fabricated Hadith, post your own un fabricated Hadith with your reference here for all to see you as the liar you are. Ode bi Muhamo

Trust me sir: Muslims can be annoying and sometimes, there is a strong temptation to use filthy words to call them even though they call us by such.

But we must be Sons of our Father in Heaven and so resist the behavior of pigs which they find refreshing.

They are also created in the image of God inspite of the deception they have swallowed hook, line and sinker! Matt 5:22

The Lord is your strength sir.

Kukutente23:

Why do you guys enjoy seeking validation for Muhammad in the same bible you claim is corrupted?
FYI, Psalms 72 was David's prayer for Solomon on his ascension to the throne. It has nothing to do with any Muhammad and it's actually funny how you kept twisting all the verses to suit your narrative.
The Old Testament is basically about Jewish history. Stop deceiving yourself by looking for an Arab in Jewish history.
cc: TENQ

Don't mind them: this is what the "Islamic Dawagandists" do. They take a text without understanding it think it applies to Mohammed. They are practically reading the Bible Everyday to find anything that sounds like either Mecca or Medina or Mohammed in it whether it makes sense or not

Lukuluku69:
Psalms 72:9-11 (KJV) They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
The clue to who the Psalm is talking about is in the Word WILDERNESS.
If you can get a Bible in Hebrew. Check the word translated to Wilderness. It is BEARABA. Meaning Arabia but for some reason known only to your Translators in place of Arabia they use Wilderness!

He doesn't know that Arabia means DESERT and an Arab is a people who live in the desert area.


Lukuluku doesn't know that Psalms 72 is about the Messiah AND his so called Arabia (Middle-East Nations of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria etc) will ALL come down and SERVE the Messiah


Does Lukuluku or Islam believe that ALL Muslim Nations will serve the Messiah at Jerusalem?

Ask Lukuluku if he believe in verse 9 and verse 11

Ohyoudidnt:
Principles and exactly how Allah comes down you add to your straws or fresh shoots of argument are not understood by you.

Sadly even when you get it you wouldn't accept.

Have you even made any feeble attempt of explaining this?


Is Allah being omnipresent akin to sending his Angels and Messenger to occupy and monitor the whole earth or universe for him (ie. God delegates his presence) ?

How can Allah be said to be on his throne in heaven and come down (descend) to the lowest heaven?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Christian text don't say you worship three Gods but in practice you worship a Father God, Son God and Holy spirit God?

How is this?

Without strawman arguments, you have nothing to say!
Swear by your Allah that I didn't spend two pages explaining to you the Trinity of God that
1. The Christians have only ONE God
2. His Name is Yahweh
3. God is not like Anything but He made mankind in His image
*He is the Father in heaven
*He is the Holy Spirit Everywhere in space and time (physical and spiritual)
*He is the Word who manifest anywhere in space and time (physical or spiritual)

https://www.nairaland.com/8013043/muslims-oblivious-serious-flaws-taoheed/24#129074956

https://www.nairaland.com/8013043/muslims-oblivious-serious-flaws-taoheed/24#129075282

Ohyoudidnt:
That at the same time they are distinct and the God father is greater than the other 2?

Where is this said that God the Father is higher than the WORD or the HOLY Spirit?
If the WORD humbled Himself as Jesus, then the Father is Greater than He is.
Phil 2:8
And being found in the fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient to death, even the death on the cross.
Because, Jesus can be Hungry and He can feel every emotion of Man, BUT the WORD cannot!

Ohyoudidnt:
God created mankind as his representative but God is distinct and different from the created. Nothing is like or comparable to almighty Allah.

Except that Allah has the attributes of a creation
1. Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
He has to descent to the lowest heaven to do anything their.
2. Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Else he is perpetually trapped hear on earth. He seems not to know that the earth is spherical. No wonder, he thinks that the sun sets in some murky waters and there is a people near the setting place of the sun.
3. Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
He cannot even have a son without having sex with among others like him.


To you, it doesn't make sense how Yahweh can be in Heaven, On Earth and Everywhere at the same time. Your doctrine of Taoheed is seriously irrevocably flawed my brother

When Allah comes down to the lowest heaven, can you explain why he leaves his throne above the heavens vacant?

Ohyoudidnt:
Principles and exactly how Allah comes down you add to your straws or fresh shoots of argument are not understood by you.

Sadly even when you get it you wouldn't accept.

Your prophet said this: is it a fabrication?

Sahih Muslim 758b
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Allah descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the first part of the night is over and says: I am the Lord; I am the Lord: who is there to supplicate Me so that I answer him? Who is there to beg of Me so that I grant him? Who is there to beg forgiveness from Me so that I forgive him? He continues like this till the day breaks.

Again:

Sahih Muslim 758c
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: When half of the night or two-third of it is over. Allah, the Blessed and the Exalted, descends to the lowest heaven and says: Is there any beggar, so that he be given? Is there any supplicator so that he be answered? Is there any beggar of forgiveness so that he be forgiven? (And Allah continues it saying) till it is daybreak.


Again From Bukhari:
Sahih al-Bukhari 1145
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (p.b.u.h) said, "Our Lord, the Blessed, the Superior, comes every night down on the nearest Heaven to us when the last third of the night remains, saying: "Is there anyone to invoke Me, so that I may respond to invocation? Is there anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him his request? Is there anyone seeking My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?"


Did your prophet say these hadiths or not?

Ohyoudidnt:
God is infinite✓

God is infinite not multiple.

God is everywhere at the same time whether in the Physical or Spiritual spaces.

Yes this is what is meant by Omnipresence.

God isn't everywhere due to multiplicity of himself or delegation of his composition.

Omnipresent refers to the concept of being present everywhere at all times. This attribute suggests that a divine being is not confined by space or time and is able to exist in all places simultaneously.

Omnipotent signifies the possession of unlimited power and authority. An omnipotent being has the ability to do anything and everything, without limitation or constraint. This attribute conveys the idea of absolute sovereignty and control, suggesting that the divine is capable of bringing about any desired outcome through sheer force of will.

Omniscient refers to the quality of possessing infinite knowledge and wisdom. The almighty omniscient Allah has complete awareness and understanding of all things, past, present, and future. This attribute implies perfect knowledge and insight, allowing the almighty to see and comprehend everything with perfect clarity.

Omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscienc together describe a singular supreme being that is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present.

How is this a Strawman Argument.

By the way, the highlighted in yellow is False. It should read

Allah isn't everywhere due to the fact that he has to come DOWN from above the first heavens to the lowest heaven to listen to the prayers of the Muslims .


Is Allah being omnipresent akin to sending his Angels and Messanger to occupy and monitor the whole earth or universe for him (ie. God delegates his presence) ?

Ohyoudidnt:
Kindly ascertain you aren't guilty of what you accuse another of? Think you need an independent evaluator?

I don't do Strawman Arguments!

A Strawman is creating ANOTHER image of the Text of Argument that we can easily deal with or respond to INSTEAD of the real text of Argument.

1. Non of the Christian texts say we worship Three Gods
2. Not even the most heretical Christian sect claim to worship Three Gods.

But to advance the cause of Islam, you cannot stray from the misconception of Allah aka Mohammed.

Ohyoudidnt:
Monotheism; Tauhid, is the belief in one singular deity as the only god where one God is a singular existence. This is very unlike the pluriform monotheism, where multiple gods are recognized as extensions of the same divine entity of Christianity. Quite reminiscent of the joke poem composed about a bright day in the middle of the night. Quite a contradiction!

....

1. Is it untrue that I said that
The Father is YAHWEH
The Word is YAHWEH and
The Spirit is YAHWEH ?
2. Is it untrue that I likened it to the relationship between
Your Body is YOU
Your Soul is YOU and
Your Spirit is YOU ?
3. Is it untrue that I simplified you for you Muslims as the Duality of Man rather than the Trinity (where a man is His BODY and His RUH/NAFS)


Using your exact words (paraphrased and modified for the Duality of Man)
This is very unlike the pluriform monotheism, where multiple gods YOU are recognized as extensions of the same divine entity of Christianity a person.

Do you have MULTIPLE You(S) exactly as Christians have multiple God's?



By the way: Iblis is ONE!
Or Iblis is more than one in Islam?

Jesus is neither black nor white. Jesus is Semitic! Are Mexicans white or black?

Expanse2020:
Why would l practice prostitution when Allah clearly stated I should not near it..does that make sense to you..try to be reasonable OOO

Please clear something to me today
Is Jesus black or white guy am now confused with the lately story am hearing from Russia pls clearified it for me

Is it untrue that Allah says you can practice prostitution and even be a pim.p?

Expanse2020:
.from which book you provide evidence...Baba suwe alawada
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Joker

Your Hadiths
Your Tafsir
Your Qur'an
Your Historical and Biographical Books


of course, all of them happen to be Maudu or Daif!


Of a truth, Muslims do not believe either Allah nor Mohammed but only the concensus of your scholars

Example :
Why is it that you don't practice prostitution? (I assume you are Sunni Muslim)

Ohyoudidnt:
Why should Allah enter into his creation when the creation come from him and will return to him? This should not be misconceived as being born.

Allah entering his ANY of his Creation can be done however he wants don't you think so? Since you are scared of the dimension I will lead you, let me help you out.

1. Is it untrue then that Allah descend into the lowest heaven everyday at the third part of the night? Or is the heaven not a creation of Allah?
2. Since Allah livesin a space above the seven heavens: is the space not a creation of Allah?
3. On the day of judgement, Allah will appear to you Muslims in another SHAPE where you will recognise him h
by his shin! Is this untrue? Is this new shape created or uncreated by Allah?

Ohyoudidnt:
Monotheism; Tauhid, is the belief in one singular deity as the only god where one God is a singular existence. This is very unlike the pluriform monotheism, where multiple gods are recognized as extensions of the same divine entity of Christianity. Quite reminiscent of the joke poem composed about a bright day in the middle of the night. Quite a contradiction!

Did you arrive at this from your Strawman Fallacy or from the thesis of Christians. I remember that I particularly responded to you in two full pages

Ohyoudidnt:
How is it that the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D. wrongly established Mary as the Mother of God, affirming her title as Theotokos, which means “God-bearer?

By declaring Mary as the Mother of God at the Council of Ephesus, the Church aimed to establish a further lie about Yeshua Christos.
Christos is a Greek derived name from the word "hrio" meaning "to anoint".

In Christian tradition, to anoint means to ceremonially apply oil or another substance to someone as a sign of consecration, blessing, or divine favor. Isn't it true that Jesus was indeed anointed as a prophet, priest, and king? The latter however is subject of opinion if it was fulfilled.

You asked a question!
The Question was answered!

Is this a response or what is it you don't understand?

Let's say Islam is confused by the word spirit,
1. According to Islam, is the word of Allah Created?
2. Is the Word of Allah independent of Allah and living?

gaskiyamagana:
Your two verses from your Christianized Quran are the causes of ERRORS, MISTAKES and WRONGs you are now and then REMOVING from your HOLY LIE BIBLE ? What a tragical defense?

Are you saying that the Qur'an verses I quoted are false?

Please, what is the correct version of Qur'an 9:31?

gaskiyamagana:
Let the argument continues till the second coming of Jesus, Your story now and then is that Allah Who sent bible with ERRORBILE, MISTAKEABLE and WRONGS and later asked you to remove them? Chai, you are red handled caught in this argument.

No sir!

My argument is that Allah couldn't protect his word. Is that the fault of Jews and Christians?

And even Allah couldn't protect the Qur'an : or is it not true that the GOAT or is it a Sheep eat some delicious pages of the Qur'an?

I still ask where is the verse of stoning in the Qur'an?
Where is the verse of breastfeeding an adult ten times or its abrogated version of five times?

I ask you why the Hafs Qur'an is different form the Warsh Qur'an etc! Why do we have up to 30 "dialects" of the Arabic Qur'an rather than 7 or eight? Why did Uthman destroy other Qur'ans but one? Again, Qur'an 6:115 and Qur'an 18:27 have been proven false!


Sorry sir!

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=129090959][/quote]Of course, I always give you evidences from your own books.

Have a good night rest

Expanse2020:
Where did they rich Jews leaving in Arab land,,where did they got there land🤣🤣🤣🤣 don't you think before you talk and should look at the Jew and look at the Arab who have beautiful women between the too..
Stop dabbing nonsense jare

Don't compare prophet Muhammad S.A.W with one of the actor in your story book who killed everything without leaving a single farm talkless of animals. Did farm and animals offended your God too, did they worship idol too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

When Muslims are under stress, their true color comes out that Allah is NOT Yahweh. Qur'an 29:46 is just another lie for legitimacy. No problem: as Christians, we've always know this to be true that Allah is NOT Yahweh our God.

Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”

Not withstanding,
1. Is it untrue that the women and children of Banu Qurayza were distributed as slaves, with some being transported to Najd to be sold?
2. Is it untrue that Mohammed as his custom collected one-fifth of the booty?
3. Is it untrue that As part of his share of the spoils, Muhammad selected one of the women, Rayhana , for himself and took her as part of his booty?


In other words, Mohammed was the primary beneficiary of this mass murder based on covetousness to a people who have surrendered to you!


Again :
They were people of the Book for God's sake. These are the people Allah says will be in Paradise!

Was it a lie all along?

Qasim6:
Allah entering or not entering into his creation have nothing to do with our core doctrine.

There are different opinions concerning it.

If He does not enter into his creation, it won't be out of incapability.

Why do you think it is necessary for God to enter into his creation?

Okay! Since you want it the difficult way?


Is it true that Allah's throne is above the waters over the first (highest) heaven?
AND
Is it untrue that Allah comes down (descend) every third part of night into the lowest heaven to listen to the Prayers of faithful Muslims?

Expanse2020:
The world kid generalize it identification of baby from infact to the 11,12, kids so stop bluffing
You should rather blame Moses for killing babies, ripping pregnant women, old people, animals and farm for doing bad things like that

But these are people who surrendered to the peaceful Mohammed?

Was it because they were rich and they had beautiful wives and daughters?

They were people of the Book for God's sake. These are the people Allah says will be in Paradise!

Was it a lie all along?

Qasim6:
Why do you think God entering into his Creation is something positive of God?

There are people that believe their God have sex with mortals. Do you think that is something positive too?

The question is simple: can Allah enter into his creation?

Yes or No!?

Or Do you consider it beneath his majesty?