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Qasim6:
Why are you hell bent on God entering his Creation?

Is it a necessity for God to be God?

I want to know the limit of his capability!

If Allah wanted, can he enter into his creation?

Why is this difficult to answer?


My own God can enter into His creation if He wanted to: can you God do so?

gaskiyamagana:
Lie and deception for which the following verses were removed from the mouth of your biblical God?
MATTHEW 17:21, 23:14, 18:11
MARK 7:16, 9:44, 46, 11:26, 15:28
LUKE 17:36
JOHN 5:3-4, 7-8
ACTS 8:37, 15: 34, 24:6-8, 28:29
Roman 16:24.

Too bad, you will have to dispute with Allah on this

It is a shame that Allah did not seem to know the verses you quote for Allah in his books and omniscience disagree with you modern Muslims.
Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

You are simply concluding that Allah is not knowledgeable enough like you.


Are you saying that Allah is powerless to protect his books?

Can I Ask you a simple Question?

Where is the verse of stoning and breastfeeding : it used to be part of your Qur'an!
Who removed it?

gaskiyamagana:
Your headache is ALLAH, not your FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE, AND MISTAKEABLE Biblical God whom you are correcting and reviewing his words to suit yourself ?
It is very clear and glaring that Christianity is a religion of lie and Christians are seriously to protect the lies by correcting the lie Book and vainly carrying their sorrow to attack other religions as face saving tactics.

gaskiyamagana:
Stop your nonsense talk about Allah, Who is not your FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE Biblical God whom you are correcting and reviewing his words.

LOL!
Is this all you've got!?


Can Allah enter into his creation if he wanted to or it is impossible for him to do so?

Qasim6:
What is the necessity of Allah/God entering his Creation?

So he can die to forgive our sins?

Can Allah enter his creation if he wanted to?

Some things look impossible for Allah to do?

Qasim6:
You are looking for weakness in the oneness of God, Oneness of God that was the normal with All the Prophets.

But somehow you believe God being 3-1 is a perfect attribute of God. A doctrine that was formed by some unknown Bishops. Despite the fact that there is a warning from Jesus in Matthew 15:9

They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.

Do you think you will be trinitarian if those good for nothing Bishops did not sit 300yrs after Jesus, discussing the nature of Jesus?

Do you think the Original Apostles believed that Jesus is God? Infact I'll argue that the fake apostle Paul is not trinitarian.

Do you think Mary believed her child is God?

I believe in Al-qadar.

So you already accept your qadar to go against all the prophets of God and follow the teachings of some unknown Men?

I am not looking for a weakness: Taoheed is already a weakness!

Then you must believe that I am doing exactly the will of Allah by exposing the lies and deceptions in Islam that is leading you to hell?

Can you explain How Allah is God yet he cannot enter his creation?

beekind:
I am about to get married to a 28 year old lady whom I love so much but has been diagnosed with PCOS.
Menstruation is regular.
Anyone here with experience dealing with this condition and able to achieve successful conception should provide some guidance on how they went about it.

Thank you and God bless.

It is understandable if you are worried, however,
Its good to listen to someone who had it.


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Expanse2020:
First they didn't slaughter any kids... It clearly stated in our religion those you can't touch in the battle such as kids, women general, older people, animals, farm, and other nature's thing around there, so stop your lying propaganda machine..it's not like your religion that can't spare grass talkless of animals, talkless of pregnant women and talkless of a baby that didn't commit a thing...
Shiiioooooorrrr
As for the people kill they betrayed the agreement between them and God told him to uphold justice on them so why crying on what you don't know

There is a difference between Muslims did not kill babies and Muslims did not kill kids : for Mohammed certainly killed ALL who could remember the attrocities of Muslims to them in the future and probably take some action.


Why didn't the merciful servant of Allah spare the life of 700 men and boys after they had surrendered.

What was their offence?

They would have left Medina for your prophet and go elsewhere?
Is this a fair or correct or right standard for determining adulthood?

Sunan Abi Dawud 4404
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.


Your prophet killed a children from about 11 years old to 17 year old!? Are these not still children?

How many of these 700 do you consider as of fighting age (assuming a total population of 1500 people)?

Tell me:
ISIS just claimed an Attack on the Russian's.
Do you think it is right for the Russians to kill off ALL Muslims in Russia?

Qasim6:
Lol
I have never seen such people like him and his goons. They are lost, ignorant and confident.

You forgot that TenQ is doing all this according to the Destiny of Allah for him!


Don't you believe in Al-Qadar of Allah?

gaskiyamagana:
Ignorance at its peak.
The Qur'an verses of your mentality is responsible for REVIEW, REVISION in terms of ADDITION AND SUBTRACTION of your biblical God mistakes and errors, you ordinary sons are now engaging? Beating around the bush. If not extreme foolishness , how on earth one will be very, very poor and hypocrite of his religion knowledge and claiming mastery of other religion knowledge? Nawa oOoOO.

I said just four things

1. Is it untrue that Allah is Limited in space and time? Is Allah a Spirit? Can Allah enter his creation?

2. I showed that it's either Allah is limited in knowledge by adopting our scripture or you are more knowledgeable than him.

3. Is showed you that just a single error in the Qur'an is enough to debunk the whole Islamic religion. Can Allah make mistakes?

4. I asked you a simple question : Which of the following two verses is the Quran of Allah aka Mohammed?
. (Please Read carefully)

Qur'an 9:31 :
"They took their Rabbis , and Monks and the messiah the son of Mary as lords other than Allah....
أَخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَرْبَابًا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ

OR

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
"اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ"


Which one of these two verses is the actual Qur'an of Allah aka Mohammed ?

ThatFairGuy1:
U need to get busy with your life.
After all no one is responding to you, you've been left into your folly, yet you wouldn't stop the unthinkable mentions.

U are disturbing my mention, you wouldn't allow me focus on necessary ones when I keep scrolling and seeing yours.

Seun what's happening nah

I will never be guilty of NOT showing you the Truth in Christ AND the Deception of satan that is leading you to hell fire.

Islam created a New God Allah and equated him with the God of both the Christians and Jews.

Unfortunately, Allah is NOT a Spirit!

I have simply proved to you how limited the Theory or Doctrine of Taoheed had boxed in Allah as a limited edition of God.

I have shown you the Gross Weakness of your Taoheed :
1. Allah is limited in spacial location
2. Allah is limited in knowledge
3. Allah is limited in Power
4. Allah is a physical being
He is not different from any other being and creature of God. If he is not different in attribute than the Dajjal , how can he be God?


Muslims despise the Truth BUT it is my duty to tell you anyways!

At least, you have no answers to the fact that
I have shown you the Gross Weakness of your Taoheed :
1. Allah is limited in spacial location
2. Allah is limited in knowledge
3. Allah is limited in Power
4. Allah is a physical being
He is not different from any other being and creature of God. If he is not different in attribute than the Dajjal , how can he be God?

gaskiyamagana:
Your god of the following verses made mistake , if not WHY WERE THEY REMOVED? God of ERRORS to be corrected by his sons?
MATTHEW 17:22, 23:14, 18 :11
MARK 7:16, 9:44, 46, 11:26, 15:28
LUKE 17:36
JOHN 5:3-4, 7-8
ACTS 8:37, 15:34, 24:6-8, 28:29
ROMAN 16:24

Firstly, It is a shame that Allah did not seem to know the verses you quote for Allah in his omniscience disagree with you modern Muslims.
Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

You are simply concluding that Allah is not knowledgeable enough like you.


Secondly,
We are well aware that Allah dictated the Qur'an through Jibril an Angel of Allah to Mohammed and it is perfectly preserved up to the diacritic marks in 7 dialects of Arabic. The Bible on the other hand is written by humans. Of course the higher standard of proof is with the Qur'an as men can make mistakes but certainly NOT God. Just one error is enough to prove that the Qur'an cannot be from God.

The only problem now is that since you burnt the other dialects we now have almost 32 different Arabic Qur'ans. With verses of breastfeeding an adult ten times and stoning removed in its entirety


Thirdly :
By the way, which of these verses is the correct one (Please Read carefully)

Qur'an 9:31 :
"They took their Rabbis , and Monks and the messiah the son of Mary as lords other than Allah....
أَخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَرْبَابًا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ

OR

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
"اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ"


Which one of these two verses is the actual Qur'an of Allah aka Mohammed ?

gaskiyamagana:
Multiple and multiplied weakness of your biblical God memory is too glaring that you, in the Christendom have to be engaging in CONTINUOS REVIEWING and REVISING his words in terms of Addition and Subtraction to CORRECT his Mistakes and Errors. This is more than enough for you to be ashamed and feel guilty of worshipping such god, before hypocritically and senselessly attacking God of another religion, even if not Islam.

Blanket general statement without Evidences holds no water.

The only Deity who Abrogates his Words is Allah!

At least I have shown you how Allah is perpetually trapped within the lowest heaven simply because the earth is spherical!

I have shown you how Allah cannot be on his throne above the waters over the first heaven and be anywhere else at the same time!

I have shown you that the fact that you Muslims will SEE Allah on the last day is another proof that Allah is limited.

Mohammed and your lying scholars didn't factor in this when copying the Jews on the Shema. The God of the Jews is a Spirit, Allah is NOT a spirit.
You nailed your own coffin sir.

Ohyoudidnt:
In the context provided, Mary was called a woman by Elizabeth in the Bible because of the significance and respect associated with the term “woman” in that cultural and religious context. When Elizabeth addressed Mary as “woman,” it was a term of honor and recognition of Mary’s role in bearing the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The use of “woman” in this instance signified reverence and acknowledgment of Mary’s unique position as the mother of the Lord.

By your Argument, the Mother of the Messiah is called Woman but the Messiah Himself is called CHILD at the age of Twelve?
How does this make sense to you?


Luk 2:41-43:
"Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it."

gaskiyamagana:
Concussion of lies, amalgamation of twisted verses, mesmerizing of reasoning, mingle and muddle of fact and fiction, to justify what has been treated and thrashed as fake beliefs

Lies are easily bursted with recorded logic, facts and truths: my lies, to which you have no answer. SMH!
Your response doesn't move me one bit sir
Of course Islam and Muslims. Muslims don't surprise me one bit.

Islam as a Religion of compilation and cascade of Lies AND Muslims are people who despise the Truth.


The Muslim is one who lives by the mantra of : Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind.



I have shown you the Gross Weakness of your Taoheed :
1. Allah is limited in spacial location
2. Allah is limited in knowledge
3. Allah is limited in Power
4. Allah is a physical being
He is not different from any other being and creature of God. If he is not different in attribute than the Dajjal , how can he be God?

Ohyoudidnt:
Sticking to the subject. What really is the Christian view of monotheism?

The doctrine of the Trinity, as believed by Christians, poses a challenge to the concept of monotheism.

While Christians assert that God is one being in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - this notion appears to contradict the fundamentalmonotheistic belief in the existence of only one God. The Trinity doctrine attempts to reconcile the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit with the monotheistic principle, but it raises logical difficulties and philosophical puzzles.

I wrote a piece a few days ago

ahmedio2017:
TenQ
AntiIslam

Oya your contribution is needed here

There is ONLY one True God and His name is Yahweh.

The Father is Yahweh
The Word is Yahweh and
The Holy Spirit is Yahweh

The Father is the Only True God
The Word is the Only True God and
The Holy Spirit is the Only True God

For Comprehension, Here is the whole chapter

John 17:1-26
1. Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Jesus Prays for His Disciples
6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.
8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.
26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

1. verse 2: Jesus says He gives eternal life to people
2. verse 5: Jesus had the Glory with the Father before anything was made
3. verse 10: Jesus said that ALL the Father Has is His own
4. verse 14: Jesus claimed that He is NOT of this world
5. verse 24: Jesus claimed to have His glory before the foundation of the world

If verse 3 is true, will you be humble enough to accept that verses 2, 5, 10, 14 and 24 are also true.


Therefore, since the one true God exists as a Trinity this means that the three Persons can be addressed as the only true God both individually and collectively. Putting it another way:

1. The Trinity is the only true God.
2. Each specific member of the Trinity is the only true God.
Therefore, the members of the Trinity are the only true God, whether individually or collectively.

This is why Jesus can speak of one member of the Trinity as the only true God without this implying that the other members are not God.
To make this point more clear, the book of Hebrews says of Jesus (the son), Yahweh says

Hebrews 1:8-12
"But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.’ He also says, ‘In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.’"

1. Here the Son (Jesus Christ) is referred to as God by Yahweh whose throne will last for ever and ever.
2. Yahweh says of the Son that He laid the foundations of the heavens and the earth as they are the works of His hands.

If you understood the scriptures below, you will not be confused
1. John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
John 1:14: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."


Consistent with John Chapter 17
1. The Word had being from the beginning
2. The Word was God
3. The Word Created ALL things
4. Nothing was made without the Word
5. The Word became Human
6. The Word is Jesus

So also,
2. Col 1:15-17:
"Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

Consistent with John Chapter 17
1. Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God
2. He created ALL things and ALL Beings
3. Everything was Created by Him and For Him
4. In Jesus everything consist.

Therefore, if you believe verse 3 of John 17 is true, it is necessary to believe that the rest of the narrative of Jesus is the Truth.


Finally to you Muslims
1. According to Islam, who can give eternal life to people?
2. According to Islam, who exists before all things?
3. According to Islam, who created Allah things?
Jesus said: He is the One who gives the three above to humans







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Ohyoudidnt:
Sticking to the subject. What really is the Christian view of monotheism?

The doctrine of the Trinity, as believed by Christians, poses a challenge to the concept of monotheism.

While Christians assert that God is one being in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - this notion appears to contradict the fundamentalmonotheistic belief in the existence of only one God. The Trinity doctrine attempts to reconcile the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit with the monotheistic principle, but it raises logical difficulties and philosophical puzzles.

If you are interested in the Truth
According to the Christian point of view

Fundamental knowledge
1. God is the Infinite Holy Spirit
In other words he isn't a physical being and he occupies everywhere both in the Physical and Spiritual space.
2. God is ONE :
The Only One who created Life, Things and Beings both in the Physical and Spiritual spaces. There is no partner nor assistant of God. All Power, Knowledge, Wisdom, Ability etc consists in only Him. Without Him, nothing else is.
3. It is impossible to know God beyond what God reveals of Himself to Man
Because of the infinite nature of God, it is impossible to know God beyond the limit of what He chooses to reveal to Us.
4. God is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient.
God is the God of Time, Space, Matter whether physical or spiritual and thus, He knows the past, present and future of everything both in the Physical and Spiritual spaces. God is everywhere at the same time whether in the Physical or Spiritual spaces. God is All powerful and all things physical or spiritual are entirely subject to His power and Will.
5. God's command MUST be established immediately He commands it.
God's Will is established for whatever He wills or Commands whether in the Physical realm or I. the Spiritual realm
6. God made special creatures with Free Will
All creatures given free will have the Ability to say NO to God. However, it comes with a consequence. Any Being the overrides God's will (even once) is eternally cut off from Him to God's refuse bin called Lake of Fire (Hell Fire).
7. God has a Special Love for Mankind
God's Love for mankind is above that for every other creatures He had made whether in the physical space or spiritual space. Therefore, God made an exception for the violation of His Will by Mankind through a sacrifice (Payment of the Debt of eternal punishment by an infinitely large price?)
8. Gods Purpose of creating Humans:
God created Humans to be like a "mini Him" (In His Image). However, the earth is a place of selection where God chooses those humans who will willingly submit their Will to God and live a Life of Love and Purity. Humans were not created for the purpose of Worshipping God but those of us who love Him worship Him in Spirit and Truth (as a choice).


Now, knowing this: What is Trinity?
God has revealed Himself to Us Humans through the Scripture by His Prophets that
1. He is Our Father who resides and presides in Heaven
2. He is the Spirit who is everywhere in space and time whether in the Physical or Spiritual Realm
3. He is the Word, the Holy outward Expression and Command of the Will of God by which Everything is Made: the closest Muslims can comprehend is the Kufayakun.
This same Word, became Human in Christ Jesus

Thus
1. As the Father, God can be in Heaven and He Wills and Directs what to Be
2. As the Spirit, God can be Everywhere in space and time in both the physical and spiritual space where God's power is.
3. As the Word whereever God's presence and Command is Locally required. This is why the Word of God is likened to a Messanger. He is send to Do or Be.


The closest example to illustrate Trinity is the Trinity of man. Man has three distinct Identities that make him whole
Man is a Body:
This is a person's physical Identity. This is how people in the Physical space recognise us. Man's body obeys every physical and biological laws on earth. With my body, I can make changes in the Physical realm.
Man is a Spirit :
This is a person's Spiritual Identity. This is how God, Angels, Demons or even Jinn recognise you. It doesn't matter if you are underground or in the dark, you are clearly visible in the spirit. With my Spirit, I can make changes to my spiritual environment.
Man is a Soul:
Our soul is our Personal Identity or Internal Identity. This is how we recognise ourselves as "I" , "ME" , "MYSELF". My soul is the seat of my Will, Emotion and Intellect. My soul interfaces with my physical body. With my Soul, I can make changes to my intellectual and emotional environment.

These three (Body, Soul and Spirit) are separately and collectively me.

For you as a Muslim, It is easier to use the Duality of Man as an illustration. That is, man is a Union of
1. His Body
2. His Soul/Spirit (Nafs/Ruh)

In other words, there is no difference between your body and your soul/spirit (they are both you!

In Islam,
1. When a person dies, two angels will come to his grave and ask three questions, the answer to which will determine whether his grave will be made comfortable or made difficult. Every reputable Islamic scholar says that it is impossible to escape the questioning of these Angels even if a person has no corpse (either it is burnt or eaten by fishes or lions). They say that the angels will question the soul/spirit of the person.
It seems that just as the Body has a mouth, ear and body, the Soul of the dead also has a mouth, ear and body.

Is it untrue that the Soul/Spirit would be punished or Blessed for the things done by the Body?

2. Your prophet says that the Prophet's of Allah are in their graves Praying. But Mohammed rode on the Al-Burak to paradise and saw Moses, Adam, Joseph etc.

Did Mohammed truly see these prophets and spoke with them or he was dreaming?

If Mohammed spoke with them AND it isn't yet the time of resurrection. Does it not mean that the Soul /Spirits of the prophets are real and represent them fully even though their corpse is here on earth in their graves.


For the Christians
1. Death:
Death is simply the disconnection between the union of the Body with the Soul and Spirit


If you have any question, ask and if you need scriptural backing, ask and you shall be given



Therefore, just as the Body, Soul and Spirit is separately and collectively ONE (us)
The Father
The Word and
The Infinite Holy Spirit
is separately and collectively ONE



The Problem of Muslims :
1. They think that the Infinite Holy Spirit of God is an Angel called Jibril. This is totally WRONG.

2. The Word of God became Human in Jesus Christ. This Muslims get WRONG





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Lukuluku69:
The Prayers that will be said for your would be Messiah, who will institute that?

Do your Messiah then need prayers because you are claiming this Psalm for him?

What does he need prayers for?

The bible records what people would do. Did the bible say that the saviour of the world and the supplier of the world need any prayer?

At least you have indirectly conceded that Mohammed need your continuous prayers to function?

If Mohammed's in his grave is at peace, what else are you asking for him
Except you are saying that Mohammed is the Messiah?

Lukuluku69:
Psalms 72:9-11 (KJV) They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

The clue to who the Psalm is talking about is in the Word WILDERNESS.

If you can get a Bible in Hebrew. Check the word translated to Wilderness. It is BEARABA. Meaning Arabia but for some reason known only to your Translators in place of Arabia they use Wilderness!

Ignorance glaringly manifested!

Can't you see that it is those in the wilderness (going by your suggestion) : middle-east Arabia, Qatar, Iran, Lebanon, Syria etc whose eyes will now be clear to serve the Messiah after hundreds of years of being mislead by satan through Mohammed?

Or, do you have any proof that Mohammed sometimes in the future will rule the earth?

Lukuluku69:
You are too slow for my liking.

Nassara is what the Quran used for Christians and not People of the Book though the Christians do share some attributes to the people of the book namely they profess believe in the Jewish Scriptures.

Your itemised question sounds asinine.

Anyone who believe Jesus to be a Man, who was inspired by God and who never believe him to be God or God son while waiting the coming of the Last Messenger are the ones the promise of Victory held out to.

Khai!

See how you just dribbled yourself. Did this not start when you insinuated that the Nassara were not Christians?

It started with Christians are not the People of the Book but Nasara

Lukuluku69:
....
And rest, you are not the People of the Book.

The Quran call Jesus worshippers NASSARA.

Then you said that Nasara is from NAZARETH

Lukuluku69:
..... NASSARA is from NAZARETH, now do a bit of Research and ask what Christians were called before Antioch.

Then you attempted to elucidate the difference between Nasara and Christians.
The Nasara follow Jesus while Christians follow Paul

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, be calming down.

Jesus truly had Believing Disciples but ask yourself how many of their writings survived in the Bible today? How many?

Rather it is Paul's Teaching and Ideas you hold true. Did Paul ever studied at the Feet of Jesus? Did he ever met him while he preached? He said he met Jesus in a Trance and you all believed him. Is that not the story.

....

So back to square ONE

Lukuluku69:
You are too slow for my liking.

Nassara is what the Quran used for Christians and not People of the Book though the Christians do share some attributes to the people of the book namely they profess believe in the Jewish Scriptures.

Your itemised question sounds asinine.

Anyone who believe Jesus to be a Man, who was inspired by God and who never believe him to be God or God son while waiting the coming of the Last Messenger are the ones the promise of Victory held out to.

According to you, Nasara are Christians and they are not the People of the Book.

If This is correct
1. Is it true that the Taurat, Zabur etc belong to the Jews?
2. Is is true that at least the Gospel belong to the Christians (Nasara)?

Who else are the people of the Book according to Islam?


Who are the people of the Book referred to in Qur'an 4:171 by your God Allah?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.


It seems you know better than Allah or your lack of knowledge of Islam is pitiful.

Tell your scholars that TenQ has humbled them again.


I expect another fabrication!

clearcrystal:
Calm down
We go clear our debt

US owe more than any country in the world

But the produce far much more than most countries
AND
The amount they owe to their GDP is reasonable because they are an extremely wealthy nation.


It is ILLOGICAL to compare USA and Nigeria in this respect!

Lukuluku69:
So the Messiah who is also God or a god will need prayers continually to function?

Read the whole chapter again.

David thru his Psalms prophesied that some one is coming who will be prayed for continually and by so doing Men will be blessed.

I checked with the Jews and Christians and they don't pray for anyone continually but the Muslims do for 2 individuals namely Abraham and Prophet Muhammad.

I have only highlighted just a part of the Prophesy, the whole of that Psalms talked about the Prophet Mission but blind and deaf people can't see it.

Always putting everything in the future.

Lol

So, Mohammed need your continuous prayers to function?

And are you saying that Mohammed is the Messiah?

Lukuluku69:
Psalms 72:1-20 (KJV) Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.
He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.
He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised.
There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen.
The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.

If you need help interpretation, just mention!

I have highlighted the key part of Continual Prayers but if you need help with other verses let me know.

I think I have answered you.

The verse is about the Messiah when He comes back again to rule the earth by Himself.

No one is praying for the dead like Mohammed!

Too bad!

Lukuluku69:
Keep typing as if you swallowed a Typewriter oo.

If you want my response to clear your delusions, please make your queries short and straight to the point.

If I want to read I know where to go to but not from a Deluded fellow who believe Jesus is God.

You hear? Keep it short unless you are quoting Scriptures.

My questions were short

First, you couldn't answer any of my four questions because it betrays the lie you intend to uphold.
a. Are the Nasara the ones who call Jesus the Messiah?
b. Are the Nasara the ones who say Jesus is Allah?
c. Are the Nasara the ones who say "Trinity"?
d. Are the Nasara the ones who Allah says will be victorious till the day of judgement?
e. Are the Nasara the ones misled by Paul to adopt Trinity?

Please answer these questions?

Lukuluku69:
Psalms 72:13-15 (KJV) He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised.

Ya Allah bless Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad..........

The whole of Psalms 72 is about the Messiah when He returns to rule over the earth.

Ps 72:11-15:
"Yes, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him. For he shall deliver the needy when he cries; the poor also, and him that has no helper. He shall spare the poor and needy, and [color=blur]shall save the souls of the needy. [/color] He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight. And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."

1. All Nations shall serve the Messiah (He is not dead like Mohammed)
2. The Messiah shall save the Soul of the Needy (there would be no lack)
3. Prayers will be made for the Messiah for the beautiful place He had made the earth
4. And the Messiah shall daily be praised.


Now, is the Messiah Dead or Alive unlike Mohammed who instituted prayer for himself in the hope of being forgiven for his unpardonable sin of leading billions to hell!


Too bad: I thought you found Mohammed in the Bible again!

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, be calming down.

That is why you have

1. Joseph of Arithmea
2. Mary MAGDALENE
3. Jesus of Nazareth
4. Philo of Alexandria
5. John The Baptist etc

So, to describe Jesus follow, they name them with the Town associated with their Leader.

From what you wrote
1. Joseph of Aremathea is not a Nasara
2. Mary Magdalene is not a Nasara
Is this true?

But not even one of the 12 Disciples of Jesus was from Nazareth : if you know of any, please let me know.

Secondly, Jesus grew up in Nazareth but His ministry was mainly outside Nazareth
especially at Capanaum.
Capernaum is frequently mentioned as the place where Jesus taught in the synagogue, performed miracles, and interacted with both disciples and crowds of people. It was also where Jesus called several of his disciples, including Peter, Andrew, James, and John, who were fishermen by trade.


Again, how many of Jesus's disciple are from Nazareth?

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, be calming down.

Jesus truly had Believing Disciples but ask yourself how many of their writings survived in the Bible today? How many?

Rather it is Paul's Teaching and Ideas you hold true. Did Paul ever studied at the Feet of Jesus? Did he ever met him while he preached? He said he met Jesus in a Trance and you all believed him. Is that not the story.

As regards Nazareth and calling his disciples Nazarene, the Semites have a way of describing you with the Town you came from or where you resides or the work you are known for. No Surnames.

That is why you have

1. Joseph of Arithmea
2. Mary MAGDALENE
3. Jesus of Nazareth
4. Philo of Alexandria
5. John The Baptist etc

So, to describe Jesus follow, they name them with the Town associated with their Leader.

See how you walk yourself into a trap that exposes your lies.
According to you, everything points to the notion that the Nasara actually follow Paul
1. Did Paul teach the Nasara to believe that Jesus is the Messiah?
2. Did Paul teach the Nasara to claim that Jesus is the Messiah?
3. Did Paul teach the Nasara to claim that God is Trinity?



Again:
As you refuse to answer direct questions because it will expose your falsehood


Nasara from Nazareth? Is that the lie they tell you at your Masjid?

First, you couldn't answer any of my four questions because it betrays the lie you intend to uphold.
a. Are the Nasara the ones who call Jesus the Messiah?
b. Are the Nasara the ones who say Jesus is Allah?
c. Are the Nasara the ones who say "Trinity"?
d. Are the Nasara the ones who Allah says will be victorious till the day of judgement?
E. Are the Nasara the ones misled by Paul to adopt Trinity?

Please answer these questions?

Qur'an 3:55
(And it was part of His scheme) when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will recall you and raise you up to Me and will purify you (of the company) of those who disbelieve, and will set your followers above the unbelievers till the Day of Resurrection.


Secondly,
According to the Qur'an (shame on you that I'll be the one teaching you the Qur'an)
1. The word Nasara is NOT a place
2. The Arabic name for Nazareth is an-Nāṣira (الناصرة)
3. Jesus in your Quran gave the name to his followers. Is this verse true or false?

Qur'an 3:52
And when Jesus became aware of their refusal to acknowledge the truth, he asked: "Who will be my helpers in God's cause?" The white-garbed ones replied: "We shall be [thy] helpers [in the cause] of God! We believe in God: and bear thou witness that we have surrendered ourselves unto Him


Is it untrue that it is the group of Helpers of Jesus that Islam call Nasara?

Check the attachment
Qur'an 3:52
"Fa lamma aḥassa ʿĪsā minhumu l-kufra qāla man anṣārī ilá l-lāhi qāla l-ḥawāriyyūna naḥnu anṣāru l-lāhi āmannā bi-l-lāhi wa-shhad bi-annā muslimūn."


Is it untrue that the Disciples of Jesus are His Helpers?

4. Are the Disciples of Jesus from Nazareth?






Tell your modern day scholars that they are no match in the face of Truth and Knowledge.

Can you explain Why your modern scholars like churning out falsehood to defend Allah?

... And the rest of you swallow it without even thinking! SMH!

Lukuluku69:
Lol.

Jews/Christians commit Injustices daily the way they see Islam and Muslims.

They mock, slander, misrepresents willfully and knowingly. That is injustice.

Moses killed, David killed, Moses warred. David warred. Yet it is the Prophet war you talked about.

Jesus collected Alms, Prophet Muhammad did but the issue is with Abu Kazeem.

That is injustice. As such I am at liberty to engage you.

Understand Ye?

Are you drunk or under the influence of Hashish?

What is the relationship of what you are responding to and this. Just check my post and check if there is an iota of relationship between my post and this your response.


The fast must be disturbing you

TenQ:
So, According to your first paragraph about Yahweh, Qur'an 29:46 is definitely a deception and lie of satan

Qur'an 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."



Yes: the same people, that He loved so much
You can't understand the measure of Love God has for us. It's a shame!

Luk 23:34:
"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots."

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Was Jesus ever mentioned by name in the Old Testament before you believe he is your Lord and Savior?

Was it not thru deducing you believe the story?

The same way the Jews are mocking your faith and believe in Jesus as wishful conjecture is the same way you Christians mock those who followed the Arabian Prophet.

No be so?

Talk is cheap sir:
back up your words with evidence else it remains a merely a wishful conjecture!

Who is the person we should be praying for like Muslims pray for Mohammed?

Lukuluku69:
I know you lots don't pray for your dead.

I repeat, there is a Prophesy in the Bible, where someone will be continually prayed for.

I have not said it is the Prophet but if I bring that verse don't you think you Christians not praying for someone continually is wrong and not biblical?

So, this person is NOT Mohammed?
I am relieved to hear that!
It would have shattered my Faith as I would automatically become a Muslim.


Talk is cheap sir:
back up your words with evidence else it remains a merely a wishful conjecture!

Lukuluku69:
Jehovah is a slowpoke the same people who killed him (You claim Jesus is God once) are the same he will restore?

You are even Dumber than I took you for.

So, According to your first paragraph about Yahweh, Qur'an 29:46 is definitely a deception and lie of satan

Qur'an 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."



Yes: the same people, that He loved so much
You can't understand the measure of Love God has for us. It's a shame!

Luk 23:34:
"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots."

Lukuluku69:
You jumbled jumped too many things together. Like a mad fellow who carries the useful and the not too useful around. So, I answer what I consider relevant to the discussion at hand. You ought to have known this trait of mine nah

NASSARA is from NAZARETH, now do a bit of Research and ask what Christians were called before Antioch.

How dumb can a person who wouldn't ask questions be!?

Nasara from Nazareth? Is that the lie they tell you at your Masjid?

First, you couldn't answer any of my four questions because it betrays the lie you intend to uphold.
a. Are the Nasara the ones who call Jesus the Messiah?
b. Are the Nasara the ones who say Jesus is Allah?
c. Are the Nasara the ones who say "Trinity"?
d. Are the Nasara the ones who Allah says will be victorious till the day of judgement?
E. Are the Nasara the ones misled by Paul to adopt Trinity?

Please answer these questions?

Qur'an 3:55
(And it was part of His scheme) when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will recall you and raise you up to Me and will purify you (of the company) of those who disbelieve, and will set your followers above the unbelievers till the Day of Resurrection.


Secondly,
According to the Qur'an (shame on you that I'll be the one teaching you the Qur'an)
1. The word Nasara is NOT a place
2. The Arabic name for Nazareth is an-Nāṣira (الناصرة)
3. Jesus in your Quran gave the name to his followers. Is this verse true or false?

Qur'an 3:52
And when Jesus became aware of their refusal to acknowledge the truth, he asked: "Who will be my helpers in God's cause?" The white-garbed ones replied: "We shall be [thy] helpers [in the cause] of God! We believe in God: and bear thou witness that we have surrendered ourselves unto Him


Is it untrue that it is the group of Helpers of Jesus that Islam call Nasara?

Check the attachment
Qur'an 3:52
"Fa lamma aḥassa ʿĪsā minhumu l-kufra qāla man anṣārī ilá l-lāhi qāla l-ḥawāriyyūna naḥnu anṣāru l-lāhi āmannā bi-l-lāhi wa-shhad bi-annā muslimūn."


Is it untrue that the Disciples of Jesus are His Helpers?

4. Are the Disciples of Jesus from Nazareth?






Tell your modern day scholars that they are no match in the face of Truth and Knowledge.

Can you explain Why your modern scholars like churning out falsehood to defend Allah?

... And the rest of you swallow it without even thinking! SMH!

Lukuluku69:
The Bible prophesied about someone who will be continually prayed for.

Do you know the personality?

I guess this must be from your imagination from smoking hashish! Christians don't even pray for their dead!

So, this person is Mohammed?

I guess today is my day to find Mohammed written in the Bible.


Talk is cheap sir: back up your words with evidence else it remains a merely a wishful conjecture!