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Expanse2020:
The europe have put postal out over the years
If you can debunk or bring false from Quran you will collect £2M. This is your opportunity to show case your latent óò
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Are you tongue tied!?

It takes many lies to cover up the previous lie.



I said, even if we concede that Allah is PLANNING, you have still shot yourself in the foot. How?
THE THREE QUESTIONS
1. How can Allah be said to be infinite in Knowledge and he PLANS
A person who is infinite in knowledge knows the answer as he doesn't need to plan.

2. How can Allah be said to know the Future by his acts of Destiny if he has to PLAN?
Except if Allah doesn't even know any future, thus he has to strategize against his enemies

3. How can Allah be said to have the power of kunfayakun when he still need to PLAN?
Except it is just another illusion peddled by Muslims about Allah's supposed power

A person need to PLAN only when he is UNCERTAIN about the acts of the other person . Planning are strategies you make to make final overall outcome of the other person's actions favourable you.

In other words, you have admitted that Allah is limited in both Power and Knowledge if indeed Allah has to Plan to overcome his enemies.

Sorry!
This is another proof that a human intellect wrote the Qur'an!
Human beings need to THINK to Know What to do: God doesn't need to think: God Knows

basilico:
Islam was made on the fly. With the goal being ultimate conquest of political power .
Hellfire concept was designed to inspire the Muslims to wage war, conquer territory and acquire political power.
I cannot blame Christians for Islam ,it's a self perpetuating political movement disguised as a religion .A cult that glorifies death and hell fire to those who dare apostate. The hellfire part is what holds Islam together The most learned knowledgeable people dare not leave it because their own brother or children will kill them.

Unfortunately,
The only power the breaks islam is the Gospel.
When Christians stop preaching, they become overrun by Islam.

It is the basic truth. All our cathedrals and churches would be converted into Mosques.

Lukewarmness is the greatest Enemy of Christianity

basilico:
True a lot is cultural. Arab culture traced squarely to Islam.
Pre Islam women never used to cover up for example. Societal morals were different ,tribes to tribes,nations to nations.Islam imposed the Arab culture.
Islam is patriarchal. The men get all the benefits.
Since we are on jannat and johanum.
Wives who deny their husbands sex are also prime candidates for the hellfire.
You'll be taken round in circles if you ask what Muslim women get in jannat. They actually get nothing.

The fear of johanum is so ingrained and entrenched from childhood ,they shiverat thought of landing there.
The only way one is assured of going to the Islamic paradise is dying while waging jihad. In Christianity martyrs are those who refused to deny the death ,divinity and resurrection of Jesus. They were put to death.
Islam appropriation of martyhood is one who dies fighting for Allah. Shaheeds go straight to heaven . One shaheed after disassembling himself with a suicide vest was found to have been wearing a protective shield around his vitals to take to heaven.
Hellfire is so scary to every Muslim after years of illiterate clerics conditioning the 'believers' about the punishments of thereafter. Muslim parents are grateful to know their child went straight to heaven escaping the fires of hell

Those who don't wage jihad have their good deeds weighed against their bad deeds. Something about rakkas placed on their shoulder. That's why most Muslims will strive to do good to fellow Muslims or bring in new converts by any means ,deceit or via marriage.

All to avoid the hellfire.

I fear for them so much.

Unfortunately, I blame we Christians because we refuse to preach to Muslims to a point that Muslims think that they have the truth and that Christianity is falsehood.

Islam thrives on lies and deception.
If they can tell themselves lies in order to promote Islam, why wouldn't they tell bigger lies to convert others?

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But at the end of the statement you didn't see what the got called make
You see scheme right
You see plotted right
But you didn't see plan 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

How did you reason ma
This brain of yours need a psychiatrist treatment óò


Going back to the verse
You said they plan, Allah and you now said Allah is the best deciever .... What change the original word there🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Because it has nothing to do with Planing of Good. In its context it is about Scheming, Deception and Plotting.

Modern Muslims is trying hard to reinterpret the Qur'an to say what Allah did not intend to say.



Unfortunately, even if we concede that Allah is PLANNING, you have still shot yourself in the foot. How?
THE THREE QUESTIONS
1. How can Allah be said to be infinite in Knowledge and he PLANS
A person who is infinite in knowledge knows the answer as he doesn't need to plan.

2. How can Allah be said to know the Future by his acts of Destiny if he has to PLAN?
Except if Allah doesn't even know any future, thus he has to strategize against his enemies

3. How can Allah be said to have the power of kunfayakun when he still need to PLAN?
Except it is just another illusion peddled by Muslims about Allah's supposed power

A person need to PLAN only when he is UNCERTAIN about the acts of the other person . Planning are strategies you make to make final overall outcome of the other person's actions favourable you.

In other words, you have admitted that Allah is limited in both Power and Knowledge if indeed Allah has to Plan to overcome his enemies.

Sorry!
This is another proof that a human intellect wrote the Qur'an!
Human beings need to THINK to Know What to do: God doesn't need to think: God Knows

basilico:
Allah and Islam demands a woman must be a virgin before getting married. Families routinely murder their girl if she wasn't a virgin at marriage time.
Premarital sex also sees girls killed or forced to marry the man.
When married adultery sentence is stoning to death (the verse that was eaten by a goat).
Some of these honour killings are cultural I believe within some societies avenging for bringing dishonour to the family.
I believe they have foundation in the Quran and Hadiths for they are widely practiced across the Muslim world.

So much for the evil doers who go straight to hellfire.
Let's turn to the men. It's never a crime if they have sex with non Muslims, On the contrary it's encouraged to humiliate the disbelievers who after all are destined for hellfire. Or have the girls bear children who are automatically Muslim ( to grow the population).
Homosexuality is also punishable by death throwing from a cliff in some Hadith or like the Iranian do it. Hoist on a crane in public.
However a Muslim sodomizing a non Muslim in war is no crime at all ,it's encouraged though not explicitly. Its the way of humiliating and casting terror into the hearts of disbelievers or rather non muslims.

Muslims will deny this ,turning to wrong interpretations,but they practice it all the time todate.

I've seen somewhere that the prophet himself also was destined to go into hell.

A lot of what Muslims practice are cultural rather than religion because they depend more on their scholars than they depend on Allah or Mohammed.

Have no noticed that Muslims will stone to death only women fornicators and not the men in every culture they practiced out the penalty of stonning to death !

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Islam and sincerity is one


Christianity and deciet 5 and 6
Ezekiel 14:9
“And if the prophet is deceived and speaks a message, I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet

KJV: “I the LORD have deceived that prophet.”
NIV/ESV: “I the LORD have deceived that prophet.”


Hope you use your drug

So, you conclude that Allah PLOTTED!?

So, it wasn't Planning as you earlier stated!

Is it UNTRUE that
Planning is a Positive Action
AND
Plotting is a Negative Action

SMH!
So, you are coming up to the truth small small.
Allah PLOTTED,
Allah SCHEMED,
Allah SCAMMED,
Allah DECIEVED

And Allah is the Best in the Universe of those who Plot or Scheme or Scam or Decieve

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says by the Arabic professor of Google

Pls do the irob of the word for us let see .

2. Let me find you some Tafsirs to clear your eyes

Why don't you quoted from the book of the qurtubi you are talking about ..why would you just bring phrase of line from site you de do your copy cat 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Hate of the Truth forces them to be in Self DENIAL! When you are given the hardcover books, won't you still be in denial?

Google is your friend: prove me wrong!



a. Al-Qurṭubī
Book: Al-Jāmiʿ li-Aḥkām al-Qurʾān
Arabic: الجامع لأحكام القرآن
Author: Abū ʿAbd Allāh Muḥammad ibn Aḥmad al-Qurṭubī
Qur’an 3:54 — Tafsīr al-Qurṭubī


b. Al-Baghawī
Book: Maʿālim al-Tanzīl
Arabic: معالم التنزيل
Author: Abū Muḥammad al-Ḥusayn ibn Masʿūd al-Baghawī
Qur’an 3:54 — Tafsīr al-Baghawī

Expanse2020:
You said one message three time as he heat uu🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The verse you mentioned they plan and our plan and Allah is the best planner that what is there and if it's decieve that will make you sleep put it there 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But in your Bible t was written that your God decieved the decieved prophet
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That enoght for me

1. It seems the Arabic of Allah is so poor that he used the wrong words for the "Planner"

الْمُخَطِّطُ Al-mukhaṭṭiṭ “the planner,”
Allah could also have used الْمُدَبِّرُ but he refused.

2. Let me find you some Tafsirs to clear your eyes

a. Tafsir Al-Qurṭubī Qur'an 3:54
وأصل المكر في اللغة الاحتيال والخداع
“The basic meaning of makr in the language is trickery and deception.”

b. Tafsir Al-Baghawī Qur'an 3:54
Al-Baghawī gives an even more explicit distinction:
فالمكر من المخلوقين: الخبث والخديعة والحيلة
“The makr of created beings is wickedness, deception and cunning.”


3. Translate then each of the texts below so that we can see the PLANNER in full view

1. كَشَفَتِ الشُّرْطَةُ هُوِيَّةَ الْمَاكِرِينَ.
2. لَا يَثِقُ النَّاسُ بِالْمَاكِرِينَ.
3. يَحْذَرُ التُّجَّارُ مِنَ الْمَاكِرِينَ فِي السُّوقِ.
4. اجْتَمَعَ الْمَاكِرُونَ لِلتَّخْطِيطِ لِلْهُجُومِ.
5. يَسْتَخْدِمُ الْمَاكِرُونَ الأَخْبَارَ الْكَاذِبَةَ لِخِدَاعِ النَّاسِ.
6. فَشِلَ الْمَاكِرُونَ فِي تَنْفِيذِ خُطَّتِهِمْ.
7. يَظُنُّ الْمَاكِرُونَ أَنَّهُمْ أَذْكَى مِنَ الجَمِيعِ.
8. لَا يَنْجَحُ الْمَاكِرُونَ دَائِمًا.
9. وَضَعَ الْمَاكِرُونَ خُطَّةً سِرِّيَّةً.
10. يُحَاوِلُ القَانُونُ إِيقَافَ الْمَاكِرِينَ.

You may also check these sentences below

1. مَكَرَ اللِّصُّ لِيَسْرِقَ المَتْجَرَ لَيْلًا.
2. مَكَرَ المُحْتَالُ بِالنَّاسِ عَبْرَ رِسَائِلَ مُزَيَّفَةٍ.
3. مَكَرَ المُخْتَرِقُ لِيَدْخُلَ إِلَى النِّظَامِ.
4. مَكَرَ المُنَافِسُ لِيَفْشَلَ المَشْرُوعُ.
5. مَكَرَ السَّارِقُ بِصَاحِبِ السَّيَّارَةِ.


Makr is like the word Treason, Torture, Malice or Atrocity which are selfom used in any positive sense.

Expanse2020:
Tell yourself that if twist to your taste
Here are the real G

“Ezekiel 14:9 Yahweh the deceiver according to the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“If the prophet is deceived... I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet.”

2. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 decieved again🤣🤣
“Therefore God sends them a strong delusion so tha[/b]t they may believe what is false.”


Yahweh the deceiver 🤣🤣🤣
3 1 Kings 22:19–23
God [b]allows a lying spirit/ decieve/deciet /manipulate to go into the mouths of King Ahab's prophets so Ahab will be led into battle and perish.

. Isaiah 6:9–10 another deceit 🤣🤣
God tells Isaiah that the people's hearts will become dull, their ears heavy, and their eyes closed, so they will not understand and turn back.

. Exodus 7:3; 9:12; 10:20 deceived pharaoh again
God says, “I will harden Pharaoh's heart,” so Pharaoh does not let Israel go

No wonder ọmọ leyin. Paul are the best in deciet 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is it TRUE or UNTRUE that Allah IDENTIFIED himself as the Best Deciever?

Probably, that's why he forbids you from asking questions about the Qur'an so that you will jot be distressed when you find out the truth.

Expanse2020:
Tell yourself that if twist to your taste
Here are the real G

“Ezekiel 14:9 Yahweh the deceiver according to the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“If the prophet is deceived... I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet.”

2. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 decieved again🤣🤣
“Therefore God sends them a strong delusion so tha[/b]t they may believe what is false.”


Yahweh the deceiver 🤣🤣🤣
3 1 Kings 22:19–23
God [b]allows a lying spirit/ decieve/deciet /manipulate to go into the mouths of King Ahab's prophets so Ahab will be led into battle and perish.

. Isaiah 6:9–10 another deceit 🤣🤣
God tells Isaiah that the people's hearts will become dull, their ears heavy, and their eyes closed, so they will not understand and turn back.

. Exodus 7:3; 9:12; 10:20 deceived pharaoh again
God says, “I will harden Pharaoh's heart,” so Pharaoh does not let Israel go

No wonder ọmọ leyin. Paul are the best in deciet 🤣🤣🤣🤣

It looks like you are ashamed that your God could admit to being a Deciever.

DID ALLAH DIRECTLY CALL HIMSELF A DECIEVER OR NOT?
Here is the one who calls himself the BEST of Decievers

Qur’an 3:54
“They schemed, and Allah schemed; and Allah is the best of Decievers.”
Arabic: وَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

Qur’an 8:30
“And when those who disbelieved scheme against you to restrain you, or kill you, or expel you; and they scheme, and Allah schemes; and Allah is the best of Decievers.”
Arabic:
وَإِذْ يَمْكُرُ بِكَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِيُثْبِتُوكَ أَوْ يَقْتُلُوكَ أَوْ يُخْرِجُوكَ وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

Are these two verses Statements and Admissions of Allah about himself or not?


Except these are not the admissions of Allah about who he is.

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TenQ
Lastly I came back for you on this topic
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Sahih Muslim 94 b
Abu Dharr reported,: I came to the Apostle (may peace be upon him ) and he was asleep with a white mantle over him. I again came, he was still asleep, I came again and he had awakened. I sat by his side and (the Holy Prophet) observed: There is none among the bondsmen who affirmed his faith in La illaha ill-Allah there is no God but Allah) and died in this state and did not enter Paradise. I (Abu Dharr) said: Even if he committed adultery and theft? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. I (again said): Even if he committed adultery and theft? He replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. (The Holy Prophet repeated it three times) and said for the fourth time: In defiance of Abu Dharr. Abu Dharr then went out and he repeated (these words): In defiance of Abu Dharr.

This Hadith was only talking about that there no offenses Allah cannot forgive us from Expect (shrik) attributing partner with Allah such as calling other God e.g.
Three in 1 nescafe God aka TRINITY, JESUS, OGUN, SANGO AND ALL OTHERS THINGS MAN WORSHIP
But that doesn't mean doing bad thing God will not accounts it again or wouldn't asked about it, not punished the person for it .

I have just shown you that Muslims do NOT have any hope of salvation and this is what you bring?

1. I showed you that what Allah wrote for you as per your destiny is what determined whether you go to paradise or hell

2. I showed you that even babies in Islam are not excepted from going to hell.
3. I showed you that Mohammed himself is NOT sure of where he is going.


You forget that, in Islam there are several other ways to be saved like

1. Sunan an-Nasa'i 5521
It was narrated that Anas bin Malik said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever asks Allah for Paradise three times, Paradise will say: 'O Allah, admit him to Paradise.' And whoever seeks protection from Hell three times, Hell will say: 'O Allah, protect him from the Fire.'"

2. Sahih al-Bukhari 1251
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "No Muslim whose three children died will go to the Fire except for Allah's oath."

Tell me, what is Allah's oath?

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And guess what, you are free from the consequences when you commit these EVILS
and you said this with your roten mouth óò

Christianity/Christians are too bias
TenQ you are too bias 🤣🤣🤣
According to the bible
My bible says 🤣🤣🤣

David killed his solder by sending him to war front
Also sleep with her babe but YAHWEH forgive him 🤣🤣🤣

Unlike your prophet whose lust for his sons wife was condoned and sanctioned by his God, the God of David Punished him even after he acknowledged his sin.

David’s punishment
Nathan the prophet confronts David in 2 Samuel 12:7–12.
The principal punishments announced are:
-The sword would never depart from David’s household 2 Samuel 12:10.
-Calamity would arise from within his own household -2 Samuel 12:11.
-His wives would be taken publicly by another man, corresponding publicly to David’s secret act -2 Samuel 12:11–12.
-The child born from the relationship with Bathsheba would die- 2 Samuel 12:13–18.

The True God does NOT cover up sin of even His people

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Saul killed thousands of people and when he became Paul/ Christian God forgives him ,🤣🤣

Saul wasn't even a believer when he killed and Imprisoned Christians.
Is it wrong that God forgive him?

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Moses killed but when calling came he was forgive

You will note that like Paul, Moses did NOT commit murder AFTER he was called by God.

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Verse: Jonah 3:8–10.
The people of Nineveh
They were known for violence and bloodshed. They repented, and God showed them mercy.[/b]
You will said you don't do these anymore...
Na here I will correct your brain

These are killers am showing you in the bible and God forgave them now compare to adultery...
Are you sure you are still normal

God should forgive SIN especially at the time of ignorance?
The TRUE God does not cover up sin of His Prophets.
Hebrew 12:6
“For whom the LORD loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives.”

Unlike Allah
Qur’an 5:18
“The Jews and the Christians say, ‘We are the children of Allah and His beloved.’ Say, ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?’ Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills. To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the final destination.”



Allah is definitely and certainly different from the God of the Christians and Jews.

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Then we all agree that Yahweh is a deceiver according to the bible

Here is the one who calls himself the BEST of Decievers

Qur’an 3:54
“They schemed, and Allah schemed; and Allah is the best of Decievers.”
Arabic: وَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

Qur’an 8:30
“And when those who disbelieved scheme against you to restrain you, or kill you, or expel you; and they scheme, and Allah schemes; and Allah is the best of Decievers.”
Arabic:
وَإِذْ يَمْكُرُ بِكَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِيُثْبِتُوكَ أَوْ يَقْتُلُوكَ أَوْ يُخْرِجُوكَ وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

Are these two verses Statements and Admissions of Allah about himself or not?


Except these are not the admissions of Allah about who he is.

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I taught my BIBLE said every children is born inside sin they originated sin 🤣🤣🤣🤣 from the first father
Gbammmm

Abi are you talking about another sin I don't know of

Even though you are completely wrong, however I must point out your ignorance of Islam

In complete ignorance that your prophet believed in the original sin

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no he didn't choose for us because he gave us brain to CHOOSE TO DO GOOD OR BAD that why he will judge is on that ..unlike the sheep's that have done redemption with human sacrifices...like say you be masquerade ppl

Do I have to teach you Islam!?

1. The Destiny of Allah is what will come to pass.

Sahih Muslim 2644
Hudhaifa b. Usaid reported directly from Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) that he said: When the drop of (semen) remains in the womb for forty or forty five nights, the angel comes and says: My Lord, will he be good or evil? And both these things would be written. Then the angel says: My Lord, would he be male or female? And both these things are written. And his deeds and actions, his death, his livelihood; these are also recorded. Then his document of destiny is rolled and there is no addition to nor subtraction from it.

Sahih Muslim 2643 a
Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) who is the most truthful (of the human beings) and his being truthful (is a fact) said: Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother's womb in the form of blood, after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends His angel to it with instructions concerning four things, so the angel writes down his livelihood, his death, his deeds, his fortune and misfortune. By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.


2. Even BABIES may go to Hell according to Mohammed

Sahih Muslim 2662 b
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, reported that a child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?

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Gbamm 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
to shock you with the same verses in the bible
My bible says

1 John 2:16 (KJV)
“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.”

Matthew 5:27–28
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

1 Corinthians 6:18
“Flee fornication. Every sin that a person commits is outside the body, but whoever commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.”

It is amazing when you self refute yourself but in display of great IGNORANCE, you peddle it to the whole world.

1. Mohammed in Sahih Muslim 2658 a reports that Allah is the one who fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in.



In contrast to the Bible's opinion
2. John 2:16 says that God (the Father) is NOT the origin of sin of lust in the world unlike Allah who is the origin of sin.

In Matthew 5:27–28 , Jesus raised the bar and standard of sin of Adultery that you should NOT even look at a woman lustfully as to God it constitutes Adultery.

1 Corinthians 6:18 gives a command to Christians to run away from fornications unlike Allah who decides the number of fornications a man should commit.

Dont you have shame!?

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so as the almighty YAHWEH did in the storybook you carry up and down 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You go cry seh


Omo ìyá mi
De feel me
This guy must cry here
Every ayat or each hadiths he quoted at least will be returned with minimum of 3verses in the bible
You will not do it again
Christianity tii cast

The amazing thing is that you quote scriptures from the bible that refutes your arguments but you are ignorant of the fact that they actually exposed your comprehension.

Find someone to help you as you truly need it.

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According to the bible verses I shared
Did you now agree and concluded that Yahweh is a lord of the deciever according to your Bible

Agree we move to another topic

If allah is correct
Qur’an 29:46:
“Our God and your God is one, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”
AND
and you are correct with your opinion, then Allah is the Al-Makireen.

Is Allah correct or Wrong?

doffman:
TenQ
That is what you will say nah ; because yours lies can never stand in front of the truth . And I bursted them all . 🤣

🤣🤣🤣 after I finished you , now you quickly change mouth .

Talk is cheap.
See the person being flogged claiming victory!
Pathetic!!

doffman:
No be you previously agreed that everyone will pass through it ahaaa.

Anyway , your opinion will never matter nah . You must pass through it and you will be judge . Your eyes go clear well . Just kpai first .

You definitely do not believe in your Allah. In Qur'an 19:71-72, there are just two classes of people
1. The Muslims
2. The Harmdoers

And Allah had already given exception to Jews, Christians and Serbians.

doffman:
Another manipulation 🤣🤣

Read it well :

Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day [/b]and does good will have their reward with their Lord


It says believers ( Muslims) , Jews , Christians and Sabin and [b]who believe in Allah .

The question is :

Are you a Christian type that believe in Allah ?

Are you the Jew that believe in Allah ?

Are you the Serbians that believe in Allah ?

Of course no ; you never believe in Allah nah

The nasora people are old and real follower of Real Jesus , and they truly follow real jesus in his life time and never believe in your evil trinity. Your Christianity type na Paul Follower .

What you think doesn't matter one bit.
Allah thinks that he is the same as my God.

Qur’an 29:46:
“Our God and your God is one, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”

doffman:
So stop lying , you are not among them.

Let me show you where you belong :

1 : Al-Ma'idah (5:73):"Those who say, 'Allah is one in a Trinity,' have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment."

As you can see you are unbeliever cos you believe in trinity . So therefore decide your destination yourself 😩


2. Surah Al-Fath (48:13): "And whoever has not believed in Allah and His Messenger—then indeed, We have prepared for the disbelievers a Blaze."

As you can see , you never believe in Allah and his messenger. So the destination of such people is hell fire 🔥.

Even your own bible , you did not follow what Jesus told you :

Matthew 4:10: Jesus tells Satan to leave. He says, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only

.'"Luke 4:8: Jesus answers another test. He replies, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"


As you can see , you are not a NOSORA that that believe in God and worship him . You are not true follower of true Jesus .

You follow Paul to worship Jesus instead .

1. Unfortunately, ignorantly your God command's we Christians to follow our own scriptures
2. Allah doesn't have a clue of what the Trinity is. He thinks that trinity is Allah, Marry and Jesus.

If Allah your God and his alias Mohammed cannot understand How the True God is Trinity, what do I expect of his Abdul?

Mar 12:29:
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"

doffman:
When a person enters Hell Fire, there is no coming out of it.


In the verses discussed , Did the verse ever asked you they will enter the fire and they will be removed ? 🤣 Shioor . Stop lying nah.

🤣🤣 stop disgracing yourself nah .

I still stand on the truth , the Arabic word used there does not mean they will be inside the fire . I have explained this for you and you are still repeating something . Leave story and bring the proof .



If you fit nah , prove yourself in Arabic or English the Arabic word used there mean they are inside fire .



🤣Your insinuation hold no water . You don’t know anything .

You are still ranting without a point .

If you fit nah, proof to us that Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used in the verse 71 mean they will be inside the fire . You can’t use only English to give the best meaning to some words in Quran .

Or tell us why the Arabic فِيهَا ( fiha) used in verse 72 affirming they will be inside the fire were also used in verse 71 .
Leave story and engage me like someone that have stuff upstair.


Even your Christian professor can never attempted . Who be you . Shioor 🤣
🤣🤣🤣 guy you need help .

Did the verse say they will be removed inside fire ahaaa. Must you lie .

the Arabic فِيهَا ( fiha) used in verse 72 affirming they will be inside the fire ; so therefore they will be kneel there inside . Has same verse told you Muslim will kneel there in verse 72 . Reason nah . Shioor .

You are just thrashing around like one experiencing strangulation.

When a person enters Hell Fire, there is no coming out of it.


You have already answered yourself the "IT" in Qur'an 19:71 and the "IT" in Qur'an 19:72 according to you is Hell Fire. In "IT" aka Hell Fire you Muslims will be with the Harmdoers before you Muslims would later (probably after about 100 million years plus)

doffman:
🤣🤣 Another manipulation.

Qur'an 5:101 (Surah Al-Ma'idah) advises believers not to ask about unnecessary matters that might cause distress or make things harder if the answers are revealed.

Reason :

It notes that if such questions or any questions are asked while the Qur'an is being revealed, the answers will be made clear
Guy , you know nothing . Come amd learn . Your manipulation can never stand .

Must you lie ennn 🤣

A fraudster once told his Client.
"The document I have given you is legit: dont ask questions about it."

We know where such kinds of promises ends: at a loss to the one who wouldn't ask questions.

doffman:
In the verse 71 , Allah never mention Muslim will be in inside fire for time period . Na you said that and your opinion is valueless.

I never change my mind , the hell was was mentioned in both verses . The everyone approaches to the fire are different ; check my previous post again.

Don’t be frustrated nah . You don’t need to manipulate things at all , Quran is not a corrupted book like your book where you guys can manipulated anyhow .

You are asking same question over and over 🤣

They will come to it but they are not inside it yet . I still stand on it . The Arabic word used does not mean they are inside .

Verse 72 now tell you who will be inside

Tell me,
Are the Harmdoers also NOT ALSO yet in Hell?
You Muslims and the Harmdoers are outside the gate of Hell Abi?

Tell me in no uncertain times WHERE both you Muslims and the Harmdoers are?

doffman:
Na you want to fabricated it and twist it to suit your evil agenda and you have been bursted 🤣🤣

You seem to even understand Islam better than your scholars

You have not refuted my claimed nah :

Tefsir means how difffent scholars interpreted it based on their understanding .

Why are you quoting only ibn Abbas 🤣🤣, why not quoting all numerous other scholars that also explain it .

You chose inn Abbas , because it will be very easier for you to twist it . This is what you people do , you will look for an any scholar translation that wil be easier for you to manipulate . Dey play .

What about this nah :

bn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,

وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا

(There is not one of you but will pass over it.) "The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword. The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning. The second group will pass like the wind. The third group will pass like the fastest horse. The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow. Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.' " This narration has supporting narrations similar to it from the Prophet in the Two Sahihs and other collections as well. These narrations have been related by Anas, Abu Sa`id, Abu Hurayrah, Jabir and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them all

I will ask again : does ibn abbas said Muslim will not be saved ?

Does he said Muslim will be pull out from hell fire ?

Does he say unbelievers will not be save ?

You don’t even understand what you copied . Shioor

If you can’t answered the 3 questions , that means na you wanted to twisted his word .

How does approach to it mean inside fire ? Shioor .

All you have said is that
Even your scholars are not in agreement with each other about Qur'an 19:71-72

Are you telling me that Ibn Abbas is IGNORANT and he agrees with me?

Note:
Ibn ʿAbbās was given the title Ḥibr al-Ummah (حِبْرُ الأُمَّة), meaning “the scholar” or “ink of the Muslim community, ” because of his exceptional knowledge of the Qur’an, tafsīr, ḥadīth, Arabic language and Islamic jurisprudence. He was also called Baḥr (“the Ocean”) because of the breadth of his knowledge, and Tarjumān al-Qur’ān (“the Interpreter of the Qur’an”).


Tell me that Ibn Abbas the cousin of your prophet is IGNORANT of the Qur'an!

doffman:
That is why i told you , you can never use English to perfectly interpret Arabic words

Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used in the verse 71 never mean they will be inside the fire. Period .

Another manipulations 🤣🤣

Some Muslims or all Muslims?

Guy stop lying the facts nah .
Why not also quote where unbelievers like Christians will be in hell fire for life ?

Come and learn .
Listen well cos I will explain this to you once ; okay :

At first , you must know that a non practicing Muslim who believe In Allah and his message may enter fire first before entering paradise and if Allah wishes he can forgive him and let him enter paradise straight .

But for true Muslims , paradise is promised for them straight with permission of Allah and promise :

Repeating yourself will not suddenly change falsehoods into the truth!

doffman:
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:82): "And those who believe [/b]and [b]do righteous deeds - those are the companions of Paradise; they will abide therein eternally."


As you can see the two basic conditions to enter paradise forever are two :

1.Believe in oneness true God - Allah ( not jesuuuu or Ogun, sango ooo)

2. And do the righteous.

If you believe in God ( Muslim) and you do not do good , you may taste fire for the punishment of your sin or if Allah wish he can forgive him as he or she never associated anything with God .

You being a Christian ( unbeliever ) , even if you are a nice person , you will enter fire for life unless you repent . Because you refuse to be a Muslim in the first place . God forgives all sins except associating another god instead of him. .

Surah An-Nisa 4:48: "Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him in worship, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin."

As I said Why can’t you also quote where unbelievers line Christians will be in hell fire for life ? 🤣

Let me quote it for you :


Surah Al-Ahzab (33:64-65):"Verily, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blaze, abiding therein [khalidina fiha abada]. They will not find a protector or a helper."


Quran 5:72 :


They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary' while the Messiah has said, 'O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."


As you can see , we called you unbelievers for a reason .


The only diffrentce between non practicing Muslim and unbelievers like you is that , unbelievers will remain in fire for life as they never believe in oneness of God and his messager .

Can you compare a sinful Muslims like drunkard , fornicators and other with the cautious Muslim , no nah .

Unfortunately, If Christians are entering Hell fire with you Muslims, tell me how you can use a person in Hell to ransom for a person also in hell?

Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".


Tell me how reasonable it is that Allah will leave alone Atheists, Buddhists and ALL Idol worshippers but pick upon Christians and Jews as RANSOM for you Muslims from Hell?
Even sins as heavy as Mountains will get ransomed: IS THIS NOT DECEPTION!?

doffman:
Sahih Muslim 193 d
Anas b. Malik reported: Verily the Apostle (ﷺ) said: He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom. Ibn Minhal has made an addition (of these words) in his narration: Yazid said: I met Shu'ba and narrated to him this hadith. Shu'ba said: Qatada transmitted to us this hadith from Anas b. Malik who heard it from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) with this alteration that he substituted the word Zurra (grain) in place of Zarra (atom). Yazid said: Abu Bistam has made a change in it.




Gbam 🤣 you just defended what I just taught you now .

He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom.


So do you still want to be in Hell fire for life for you being a Christian ?

Choose wisely .

Are you saying that Islam is a bundle of CONTRADICTION?

You just listed deeds that will get you into paradise but you forgot that your prophet said you cannot earn paradise.

Sahih Muslim 2816 f
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
None amongst you can get. into Paradise by virtue of his deeds alone. They said: Allah's Messenger, not even you? Thereupon he said: Not even I, but that Allah should wrap me in His Grace and Mercy.



Even your prophet doesn't know what will become of himself

Qur’an 46:9,
“Say, ‘I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am only a clear warner.’”


It seems you do NOT even believe in the Destiny of Allah. He decides who will go to paradise or hell before they were born.

It seems you are not aware that Even Babies of Muslim parents can go to Hell Fire.

Expanse2020:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agree to disagree..na you get that one I showed you the real answer




Exodus 7:3 — “I will harden Pharaoh's heart.”
Exodus 10:1 — “I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials.”
when someone heart is hardened what will he do terror

Probably you meant
Ehen what of the remain verses on Yahweh the master of terrorism according to the bible
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It becomes hard when the Ignorance of an ignorant person is nit even recognised. You should at keast check the dictionary

To Harden a person's heart is to make him STUBBORN and UNYIELDING to the Truth.

It has NOTHING to do with terror!

Expanse2020:
Exodus 23:27 (NIV): “I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter.”


Exodus 15:14–16: “The peoples have heard; they tremble... terror and dread fall upon them.”

Deuteronomy 2:25 — “This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven.”

Deuteronomy 11:25 — “The LORD will put the fear and dread of you on all the land.”

Are these scriptures where God cast terror into the heart of Pharaoh?
SMH!

Why do you keep disgracing yourself. Check the question again and look at your answer.

Expanse2020:
Yahweh according to the bible is the lord of deceivers


Ezekiel 14:9
“If the prophet is deceived... I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet.”

Thessalonians 2:11
“Therefore God sends them a strong delusion/deceived so that they may believe what is false.”

1 Kings 22:19–23
God allows a[b] lying spirit[/b] to go into the mouths of King Ahab's prophets so Ahab will be led into battle and perish. another deceived

Isaiah 6:9–10 another deceived
God tells Isaiah that the people's hearts will become dull, their ears heavy, and their eyes closed, so they will not understand and turn back.

5 Exodus 7:3; 9:12; 10:20 he deceived pharaoh too
God says, “I will harden Pharaoh's heart,” so Pharaoh does not let Israel go.
doffman allow me to finish this guy ... He dey jump up and down everywhere with his deciet he received from his lord of deceivers according to his Bible

If indeed Qur'an 29:46 is true, then it is confirmed that Allah is the BEST of all that decieve!
Qur’an 29:46:
“Our God and your God is one, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”



So, Allah is the BEST of ALL Deceivers (al-Makireen)

Is Qur'an 29:46 true or false?

Usenak:
How does hit benefit te common man?

It is probably the oldest iron smelting site in the whole world. It showed that Africa used to be technologically advanced until something happened to them.

It gives hope that we can still rise to lead the world again

Truvelisback:
No, it means they don't believe that He could heal them. For healing to be received, the receiver must believe or have faith in God through the vessel God is using.

No sir.

Simple example:

Lazarus (John 11:43–44): Dead for four days and decaying.

The widow’s son at Nain (Luke 7:11–15): Jesus stops a funeral procession out of compassion.

Jairus’s daughter (Mark 5:35–42): The young girl dies before Jesus arrives.

The Shunammite’s son (2 Kings 4:32–35): Raised by the prophet Elisha.

So also, Sick Babies can be healed (babies cannot even have faith)

Healings take place sometimes with the sick having faith and sometimes his faith is not required

Lucifyre:
As expected — absolutely “NO THING.” 😄
There's no shame in tucking your tail between your legs on your way out. It's embarrassing, sure, but it happens. Sometimes you've just got to own it instead of being sly.
That's where confident ignorance lands you. Feel free to have the last word on your walk of shame.
Nice demo, btw. 🙌🏽

Lucifyre:
Fight?! Wow! Does exposing “frail foundations” suddenly make yours solid? Who knew! If that makes you feel better about having actually demonstrated your ignorance—confidently at that—it's fine. After all, we're talking feelings and empty claims, not demonstrable facts right? You guys are too easy. 😁

Guess I'm just so terrified that I purposefully refused to cite references for the things I magically claimed science presents as facts. It's okay to drop the mirror, you know. You claim “science agrees.” Show us science agreeing with the specific claim you made...
Error 404!!!!



You mean the question I already answered and you've simply chosen to ignore twice? I told you exactly what evidence would suffice: "Evidence that demonstrates the universe was indeed created, that it was created by a single creator and not multiple creators, and that this creator is not Humbaba but YHWH, and that it was made how YWHW claimed it was made and not the way Humbaba did." That's my answer to your question 1. The same evidence that convinced you it's not Humbaba, Allah, or any of the other claimants, but YHWH alone.

You don't get to repeatedly ask the same question and then pretend I haven't answered it simply because you don't like the answer, because you know the emptiness of your claim can't meet up. Even your retreating response says a lot about the emptiness of the claim - does knowing or attacking my position in anyway validate urs as true?. If I go to collect insurance because my house burned down, I don't ask the investigator “what evidence would convince you?” except I have nothing but emoty claims. 😁

Guess elementary questions aren't so “elementary” when they're built on ignorance. “Why do goats not come from seeds since chickens come from eggs?” Exactly why I said I'd demonstrate your ignorance. At least be knowledgeable about what you're trying to attack before attacking it with questions that make you look silly—especially when you can't demonstrate the “facts” baked into the questions you're asking.

There's a reason you could cite nothing, and would cite nothing—pun intended—10 years from now while still making the same imaginary claim. If I say Christianity and the Bible “agrees” that Mohammed was worshipped by Jesus in the wilderness, and then ask you when Mohammed baptised Jesus, that's your “elementary question.”

Sounds brilliant, right? Funny thing is, you'd obviously push back and ask: “Where does the Bible say that?”
And rightly so - Proverbs 26:12 indeed. So it's quite simple really: where does science present the conclusions baked into the premises of your questions as factual?

Of course, nowhere in the sources you've provided. That's why you can't cite it and keep retreating and dancing instead of demonstrating them. Next you'd claim “Science agrees humans came from monkeys lol.”
So I await the evidence of science presenting as established fact:

1. That the universe had an absolute BEGINNING 13.8 billion years ago;

2. That there was a state in which matter was absent called “nothing”;

3. That space, time and matter were subsequently “created” from said nothing; and

4. Where science demonstrated “NOTHING” as a fact that existed at a point.

The irony is that you're claiming I'm evading questions whose premises you haven't established, while you're the one dodging the establishment of the premises you claim as factual. Drop the mirror and stop projecting.
So go ahead: show us where science establishes those four premises, and I'll happily answer question 2.

This is a fun demo - Proverbs 26:5 & 7. Don't chicken out now with the "waste my time" gimmick. Tick Tock 😉

Sorry dear!

If you have no personal position, you are unworthy of my time. See how you had to rework your so-called questions with deception and lies in mind. Are you a postgraduate student from the school of 4plus1pus9 in Nigeria?

The level of ignorance of science you displayed is so appalling that it feels awkward discussing science with you

From your a questions, Tell me
1. Is it unscientific to state that the universe is about 13.8 billion years old.
2. Is it unscientific to claim that matter came into being within the last 13.8 billion years ago.
3. Is it unscientific to state that nothing existed before the origin of the universe?
4. Is it unscientific to state that time space and matter simultaneously come into being within the last 13.8 billion years
5. That I anywhere insinuated that science demonstrated the existence of NOTHING at a point

Google is your Friend and better still, uses any AI of your choice to answer the questions , then apologise for displaying such gross level of ignorance!


You are indeed the "son" of your father and I must admit that you learnt so very well and you are becoming more like him.

Expanse2020:
Who created sin

I am not surprised you lack Understanding of spiritual affairs.
Sin is not an object of creation sir.

Sin is the term used to describe when a creature of God violates the integrity of God.

Expanse2020:
God judge evil by increasing the volume but cannot remove the evil from them automatically 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
(Pharaoh Exodus 9:12),

Your comprehension is disappointingly appalling and extremely uncomely.

God is NOT judging evil: Evil is not a Person. God is judging the Evildoer!

The purpose of God is not to remove evil but to SELECT of His creations He gave the gift of FREEDOM and FREEWILL those who would LOVE Him and Do RIGHTEOUS Deeds from their VOLITION!

Unlike Allah, who Destines People to do evil then comes around to throw them in his hell.

Expanse2020:
you are saying God gave up the creation as he cannot control them anymore right

Myopic understanding personified.

God does not force or compel people to do either good or evil.

He allows you to do and undo by yourself because the CONSEQUENCES of your actions is in Store for you.

Is it untrue that a person will reap what he has sown?

Expanse2020:
but your God said he cast terror on pharaoh hearts naw ,😂😂😂

And he also said he decieve prophets too

Guy small small naw
Stop lieing naw

Where did my God say he cast terror in Pharaoh's heart. Quote the verse.

Probably you meant
Quran 3:151
"We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah..."

And
Allah is the BEST of ALL Deceivers (al-Makireen)

Qur'an 3:54 and Qur'an 8:30

dofman:
TenQ


🤣 guy , you still not refuted any of my points .

I have not even asked you my own question; but don’t worry I will still ask you later for sure . Let me further correct your misconception .

You refuted yourself my dear!

dofman:
Good , at least you are progressing .

If you agreed everyone including you and me and other people will pass through it , that mean you have equally agreed you will enter same fire as you already claimed for Muslim nah ; And beside I am still standing on the point that in the verse 71 , everyone will come into it (both Muslims and unbelievers ) and It is the next verse 72 that tell us the faith position of cautious people ( Muslim) to be save and wrongdoers will not be save .

NB : the verse 71 never tell you everyone were already in the fire . So never twisted that fact

I will certainly and definitely NOT going to pass through hell with you. It is YOU Muslims and the Harmdoers (according to the Qur'an that will enter the Fire).

Here is what your Allah said:

Qur'an 2:62
"Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good will have their reward with their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve."

When a person enters Hell Fire, there is no coming out of it.

dofman:
Yes 👏, everyone must pass through it but, I did not say they will enter it : do not twist my word o .


You are the one that want to stylishly twisted pass over , I equally say come to it or pass over . And I even told you categorically that the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used does not mean inside it . You don’t need to lie or twisted my word . Is that okay ?

No matter the English I used, just focus on the nearest meaning of the Arabic word used in the verse . And you should know that the main point is that everyone were not inside the fire in verse 71

Your lack of compression did not allow you to see that either way, you have a problem
1. "Pass Over"
Meaning that BOTH the Muslims AND the Harmdoers will not be inside the fire but you will PASS OVER the Fire
2. "Come to It"
Meaning that BOTH the Muslims AND the Harmdoers will be in Hell Fire.

When it is said that:
You came to school means that you came INSIDE the School

Therefore, if you Muslims and the Harmdoers come to Hell, it means that you are INSIDE Hell.

dofman:
Read my previous reply again. I never pointed Hell has the destination of everyone in verse 71 , I said they will come to it or Passover . You can even say approach at and so on .

If you think that English of pass over I used means inside it or cross over , it is capital no .
For you to want to capitalise on Passover word and you think you can twist it , it cannot help you .


Come to it or approach to it is different from they are inside it . Understand nah 😛

Tell me, would the Harmdoers hobble on their knees OVER Hell Fire or INSIDE Hell Fire?

Don't forget that both you Muslims and the Harmdoers are in the same location before Allah will remove you Muslims (after an undisclosed length of time). It is the same location where they were hobbling on their knees (HELL FIRE).


Dont decieve yourself! This was why Allah revealed the verse
Qur'an 5:101
O believers! Do not ask about things which, if made known to you, would distress you..."

Sahih al-Bukhari 7294
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (ﷺ) came out after the sun had declined and offered the Zuhr prayer (in congregation). After finishing it with Taslim, he stood on the pulpit and mentioned the Hour and mentioned there would happen great events before it. Then he said, "Whoever wants to ask me any question, may do so, for by Allah, you will not ask me about anything but I will inform you of its answer as long as I am at this place of mine." On this, the Ansar wept violently, and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) kept on saying, "Ask Me! " Then a man got up and asked, ''Where will my entrance be, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "(You will go to) the Fire." Then `Abdullah bin Hudhaifa got up and asked, "Who is my father, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "Your father is Hudhaifa." The Prophet (ﷺ) then kept on saying (angrily), "Ask me! Ask me!" `Umar then knelt on his knees and said, "We have accepted Allah as our Lord and Islam as our religion and Muhammad as an Apostle." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) became quiet when `Umar said that. Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, Paradise and Hell were displayed before me across this wall while I was praying, and I never saw such good and evil as I have seen today."

dofman:
Can you show where




No , You lied here.

🤣 It is you that says in hell fire 🔥, must you repeated this lies after I have even explained the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) to you that it does not mean inside the hell fire

In other words, for an undetermined TIME PERIOD, EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will be in Hell Fire!

1. Did Allah say how long you Muslims will be OVER the Fire of Hell? If no, then it is undetermined.
2. You had answered the question before the "IT" in both ayah 71 and 72 is the Hell Fire but you seem to want to change your mind.


So, tell me, exactly where would both you Muslims and the Harmdoers be in Qur'an 19:71 ?

dofman:
So, you see that the [b]"IT" in Quran 19:71 is exactly the same as the "IT" in Qur'an 19:72 : the Hell Fire.[/b]

Hell fire was mentioned in both verse 71 and 72 . The only difference is the approach of everyone to the fire and that is what verse 72 explained . Very cleared to understand for open mind people .

Verse 71 : we will all come into it or approach it or pass over and note that my use of pass over does not mean they are inside the fire .

Verse 72 already told you the specific position of everyone .


This is why [b]Allah will remove you Muslims from the Fire after an undisclosed TIME PERIOD and leave the Harmdoers hobbling on their knees.[/b]

You also lied here 🤣.

The verse never said Allah will remove Muslim from fire 🤣. It is you that added that to it to fabricate your point to suit you . Allah used word save .

Save does not mean they are removed from fire . Your manipulation here will never work .

There are several ways Allah can use to save Muslims not necessary it will allow them to fall into fire and later pick them up ; according to their verse .

Why are you saying what Allah did not say in Qur'an 19:71-72

dofman:
Or, do you think the Harmdoers would be [b]on the Bridge of Sirat?[/b]

You already know that everyone will come to it . No need to repeat this again nah .

Infact some tefsir says the passage will be like sirat called slippery bridge . The main point is that everyone will come into it and verse 72 tell the fate of everyone . Simple .

🤣🤣 guy , you did not refute anything . You did not say any truth . I only bursted your lies and manipulation with proof . You only ridding on your bias mind .

Why do you derive please in LYING to yourself?


You seem to even understand Islam better than your scholars


1. Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas
On verse 19:71: "(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place."

2. Tafsir al-Jalalayn
On verse 19:71:
"There is not one of you but shall come to it that is but shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability already decreed by your Lord something which He made inevitable and which He decreed; He will not waive it."
On verse 19:72: "Then We shall deliver those who were God-fearing and leave the evildoers in it, on their knees."

dofman:
At least , you have understood that the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) does not mean everyone will be inside the fire ✌️

So. in clear terms where would you Muslims and the Harmdoers be since you claim its not inside Hell.

It doesn't make sense if you are said to go to the Hospital but you are not in the hospital. Think now!!

dofman:
Go back to my previous post , I did not use PASS OVER IT alone , I said come to it or pass over . Why are you focussing on passing over nah ; after all ; I told you point blank that the Arabic word there used there does not mean inside it . English can never interpreted the Arabic perfectly ; you can only try .

You already know that Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) does not mean inside it . 🤣 so stop twisting facts pls .

I just provided you the true meaning of the Arabic word used in the verse . You can never refute it nah . Shioor .

So glaring , you don’t know anything . 🤣
Sure , hell was mentioned in both verses .
🤣Another lie ahaaa.

It is of different approach and location to fire pls . Stop lying .

Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā)[/b] Used in verse 71 is different from the word فِيهَا ( inside it ) used in verse 72 .

Must you lie . Shioor .

🤣🤣🤣 when I said you did not know anything did I lie ?

I explain the words for you and you refuse to refute my point with proof that the words are not correct ; instead you are saying other thing .

If you fit nah , tell us the meaning of Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā)[/b] Used in verse 71 and the the word فِيهَا ( fiha ) used in verse 72 . Shioor 🤣

Trash as usual . Shioor . I have refuted all your points so this your insinuation is not correct .

I repeat . Go and ask your Christian professors in Arabic . They will tell you how rich and powerful Arabic language is compare to English . Many Christians are not studying Arabic language now .

Allah that chose Arabic over other languages know best . He is the wisest and he everything . So therefore , your opinion no hold water o .

Your injeel what was reveal in Jesus language ; where is it now nah ; Shioor . The book that have been corrupted . 🙈

🤣🤣🤣 ask yourself does Ibn Abass said Muslim will enter fire 🔥, shiorrr .
Or does he says unbelievers will not enter fire ? Shioor .
The main point is Muslim will be safe from hell fire and unbelievers will not be save . This is the bone of contention nah .


So tried again ; you have failed .

I must ask you my own question later o

You are just repeating yourself without evidence.

Let me help you with a few Hadiths to show that Muslims will be in hell.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6560
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "When the people of Paradise have entered Paradise, and the people of the Fire have entered the Fire, Allah will say. 'Take out (of the Fire) whoever has got faith equal to a mustard seed in his heart.' They will come out, and by that time they would have burnt and became like coal, and then they will be thrown into the river of Al-Hayyat (life) and they will spring up just as a seed grows on the bank of a rainwater stream." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Don't you see that the germinating seed comes out yellow and twisted?"


Sunan an-Nasa'i 5010



Sahih Muslim 193 d
Anas b. Malik reported: Verily the Apostle (ﷺ) said: He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom. Ibn Minhal has made an addition (of these words) in his narration: Yazid said: I met Shu'ba and narrated to him this hadith. Shu'ba said: Qatada transmitted to us this hadith from Anas b. Malik who heard it from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) with this alteration that he substituted the word Zurra (grain) in place of Zarra (atom). Yazid said: Abu Bistam has made a change in it.

Expanse2020:
Did bad behavior/ things come from God let me asked you

No, the true God does not make people do BAD things (Sin) EXCEPT WHEN God is judging EVIL People by Hardening their hearts (Pharaoh Exodus 9:12), Allowing deceptive spirits to control false prophets (Prophets of King Ahab 1Kings 22:23) or God giving over a society to their sinful desires of to sexual impurity (Rom 1:24 or 2Thess 2:11-12).

Therefore, the true God do not decree nor actively inject evil into a human; rather, a person's underlying character determines whether God's actions soften them to repentance or harden them in their sins.






Now, the same Question to you and we find out that Allah ACTIVELY inject Evil into the Lives of Muslims

Does bad behaviour come from Allah?
Definitely Yes!
He want you as Muslims to commit sin!

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.


So that you will be certain that Allah DECIDED your bad behaviours for you


Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.

As you can see, Allah has decided for you all forms of ADULTERIES you Muslims must commit.

And guess what, you are free from the consequences when you commit these EVILS



Sahih Muslim 94 b
Abu Dharr reported,: I came to the Apostle (may peace be upon him ) and he was asleep with a white mantle over him. I again came, he was still asleep, I came again and he had awakened. I sat by his side and (the Holy Prophet) observed: There is none among the bondsmen who affirmed his faith in La illaha ill-Allah there is no God but Allah) and died in this state and did not enter Paradise. I (Abu Dharr) said: Even if he committed adultery and theft? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. I (again said): Even if he committed adultery and theft? He replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. (The Holy Prophet repeated it three times) and said for the fourth time: In defiance of Abu Dharr. Abu Dharr then went out and he repeated (these words): In defiance of Abu Dharr.

First, I must commend you for answering most of the questions truthfully even though it seems you did not internalise the consequence.

Lets go down into it

dofman:
TenQ


Quran 19:71
"There is not one of you who shall not go down to it (Hell): such is a thing decreed, determined by your Lord."

Quran 19:72
"Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left in it hobbling on their knees.".

So, my Questions

1. To my Question: Who is the "YOU" in Qur'an 19:71

You said:

dofman:
You is everyone , both believers and unbelievers .

Everyone must pass through it .

Very correct: The YOU refers to EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers)

So, we agree on this!

2. My second Question: What is the "IT" in Quran 19:71

You Said:

dofman:
It is hell fire of course.

Everyone must pass through it ; it does mean everyone will enter it. If you say everyone will enter hell fire , that was why in the next verse , it says , the believers will be saved.

Dont be in a hurry!
The IT is the Hell Fire!

Allah is saying that EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will pass through the Hell Fire!

In fact, it is a DECREE of Allah so that EVERYONE (Muslims and all Harmdoers) will pass through Hell Fire.

Note:
Will EVERYONE (both the Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) pass OVER the Fire?

3. My third Question: Where will be the harmdoers in Qur'an 19:71 be?

Your Response:

dofman:
Harmdoers will come into it same way like other people and the next verse tell us what now happened .

Verse 71 is not the end of the narration nah . Na you people wanted to end it there and it was not ended there . Na by force to make the narration suit your evil agenda

According to Qur'an 19:71, Both Muslims and ALL Harmdoers are in the same location described by the "IT" described earlier as the Hell Fire!

You actually answered it in the next question 4.

4. My Fourth Question: According to Qur'an 19:71, are the harmdoers and the Muslims together in Hell or together On a Bridge?

Your Response!

dofman:
Everyone ( harmdoers amd Muslim ) will come to it .

Muslim will come to it and they will be save because they are cautious of Allah and follow his commandment in their lifetime .
while harmdoers will never be save and they will kneel their and therefore they are not save .

Harmdoers are those that are not cautious of Allah and who violates Allah commandment example unbelievers ( Christians , aborisa and so on ) unless they repent .

So, there is a specific location described as the "IT" identified as the Hell Fire where both the Muslims and the Harmdoers will be.

In other words, for an undetermined TIME PERIOD, EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will be in Hell Fire!

My Question Five: What is the "IT" in Quran 19:72

Your Response:

dofman:
It is hell fire .
But never twist it

So, you see that the "IT" in Quran 19:71 is exactly the same as the "IT" in Qur'an 19:72 : the Hell Fire.

This is why Allah will remove you Muslims from the Fire after an undisclosed TIME PERIOD and leave the Harmdoers hobbling on their knees.

Or, do you think the Harmdoers would be on the Bridge of Sirat?



Since you do not appreciate the TRUTH, you went on attempt to justify your old beliefs your scholars have peddled to you.

dofman:
Let me teach u simple arabic you lack :
In verse 71 and 72

Verse 71 :

إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ


وَارِدُهَا Means come into it or pass over . It does not mean inside .

The Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) directly translates as "its coming/arrival" or "what comes to it."

Possible concise renderings depending on context:
"and its arrival"
"and what comes to it"
"and its incoming" (or "and its incoming [thing]"
"and what reaches it"

It does NOT mean PASS OVER IT : this is a LIE peddled my your scholars

Even if we use the word come to "IT" as the definition, we have described the "IT" as the Hell Fire

So, your Arabic no good at all!
You have believed a LIE!

dofman:
Verse 72
مَّ نُنَجِّي ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّقَواْ وَّنَذَرُ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ فِيهَا

ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ mean wrong doers

فِيهَا Means within it ( inside it ) you are inside of it and this word used for wrongdoers and not for everyone.

But we have already established that the IT in Qur'an 19:71 is the same as the IT in Qur'an 19:71 AND it is the same location HELL FIRE!!

Wherever the Muslims are is the same location as the Harmdoers.

dofman:
Note :

Within it ( فِيهَا) used in verse 72 differs from word وَارِدُهَاۚ ( come into it or pass over ) used in verse 71

They are different words entirely . Na you people want to twist it . And you have been casted ?

I must confess that your comprehension is TERRIBLE

فِيهَا (fīhā) means "in it" or "inside it"
AND
وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) directly translates as "its coming/arrival" or "what comes to it."

Because, if you are correct, then
1. You already contradicted yourself by conceding that the "IT" in ayah 71 and ayah 72 is the Hell fire
2. Except, you accept that the Harmdoers are left OUTSIDE hell fire probably on the bridge of Sirat.

dofman:
Arabic language is very rich compare to English .

English can never interpreted Arabic language very well. It can only give the most nearest meaning , Ask any Christian professor in Arabic ; they know .

Allah that reveal Quran in Arabic is very wise; is the the most wisest and greatest .

Meaning that Allah chose the worst language to reveal the Qur'an when he knows that there are 10,001 languages in the world who would not speak Arabic and Arabic cannot be accurately translated into other languages.

Its a LAZY Excuse my dear that they use to lie to you Muslims.
Hebrew is a complex Semitic language: How many times do you see Christians or Jews complaining about interpreting it?

dofman:
You will see that your scholars have been lying to you.


Na you Paul deceived not any scholars

I have answered your questions ; it is my time to ask mine in the next post .

Finally,
Let me Help you with TWO Tafsirs of your Scholars (probably their Arabic is worse than mine)

1. Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas
On verse 19:71: "(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place."

2. Tafsir al-Jalalayn
On verse 19:71:
"There is not one of you but shall come to it that is but shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability already decreed by your Lord something which He made inevitable and which He decreed; He will not waive it."
On verse 19:72: "Then We shall deliver those who were God-fearing and leave the evildoers in it, on their knees."

Ibn Abbas is the cousin of your prophet in case you do not know!

rapcy:
Please list out the basic needs you're talking about.

Just live your life in peace: if you are happy, its okay with me.

After all, having money alone doesn't define a good life.

Cheers!!

rapcy:
So the wife no go join hand hustle? Even with 4 kids, that money is sufficient. 500k a month? Make we dey talk true nah

Sometimes when people are used to poverty, basic needs are treated as luxury!

It seems you can live a life of luxury with just N500k, me I cannot!

LordBiden:
That's not true,with 500k salary in Nigeria you are rich.

How many people even earn up to 500k in a country where minimum wage is 70k

The amount is for a Married man with at least a Wife and Two children. He is expected to have a small car and live in a two bedroom apartment.
He will be broke before the end of the month with N500,000 monthly salary.

Except you think that the above is TOO much for a married man in Nigeria.

Lucifyre:
Yeah, the confident ignorance had to be shown for what it is, same as the rest of this comment. Let's demonstrate that again, shall we?



Smh. Read again. Maybe this time you'd comprehend, but I understand why you're determined to miss the point.

Let me show you how silly your follow-up question is:

“I don't know your YHWH, and moreover, it was YOUR criteria I asked for. Since apparently you know YHWH, what is their criteria?”

The same evidence that would suffice for you to know Humbaba created it! If you had any evidence, you wouldn't be so determined to miss the point. You would have already gone ahead and demonstrated it instead of asking for “criteria.”

But since it's an empty claim that is in no way factual, ergo this dance.

Anyways, let me dance with you. Here, cant miss it twice:

Evidence that clearly demonstrates that the universe was indeed "created", and that it was created by a single creator and not multiple creators, and that this creator is not Humbaba or any of the other claimants but YHWH, evidence that doesn't hide in gaps in our knowledge and ignorance,. Easy, right?! Moving on.



Oh, sweet irony. I love this tangential retreat.

I never asked you for the estimated age of the observable universe, but I understand why you'd prefer to answer that. So try again, please. Show us where, in what you cited, it establishes the consensus that the universe absolutely had a beginning 13.8 billion years ago.
You claim science says the universe had a beginning. Show us where it says that.



Again with the irony. We've gotten to the part where words don't mean words. Let's consult the dictionary, shall we?

«“Nothing, no-thing, or no thing is the complete absence of anything, as the opposite of something and an antithesis of everything.”»

So how can the absence of just matter be “nothing”? This is where the retreat happens. Spacetime, fields, energy, quantum states, physical laws and even quanyum vacuum — these are quite clearly something. But let's dance along and take it at face value. You're boldly making the claim that there was a state in which matter was absent, and that time, space and matter were subsequently "created" from it.

Can you show evidence for that claim, or any scientific consensus that makes that claim? You can't keep making unsubstantiated, empty claims about what science says and then fail to show that science actually says those things. It shows you don't know what you're talking about. This is the ignorance I said I'd demonstrate. So I await the evidence of science presenting as fact:

1. That the universe had an absolute beginning 13.8 billion years ago;
2. That there was a state in which matter was absent; and
3. That space, time and matter were subsequently "created" from it.

So I can give answers to facts, and not a caricature presented as the facts.

Tick tock.

I see that you are absolutely terrified of being asked questions that expose your frail foundations. The kind of fight you want is one in which you are the only one allowed to punch while your opponent is only allowed to defend your punch. SMH!

If you cannot answer simple questions to reveal exactly what YOU hold as a position, dont waste my time.

The Questions were elementary
So, again:
1. You challenged the apparent "lack" of evidence for God: What kind of evidence do you think will suffice for YOU as evidence for the Creator?
Its about your position and opinion not what others hold.


2. Since science agree that the universe has a beginning at about 13.8billion years ago, what in your opinion allowed the simultaneous creation of time, space and matter from NOTHING?
Except you want to tell us the name of that fundamental "something" from which time, space and matter evolved or assert that time, space and matter had always existed.
SMH!

Proverbs 26:12

Expanse2020:
No
Bring on I will still make you cry again

Since you claim that According to your prophet, Muslims including Mohammed DO NOT have a Shaitan/Jinn with him?

Lets look at your hadiths again!

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3960
It was narrated from 'Ubadah bin Al-Walid bin 'Ubadah bin As-Samit that 'Aishah said:
"I looked for the Messenger of Allah and I put my hand on his hair." He said: "Your Shaitan has come to you." I said: "Don't you have a Shaitan?" He said: "Yes, but Allah helped me with him, so he submitted."


Did Mohammed say that YES he has a Shaitan or Not?


Sahih Muslim 2814 a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.



Did Mohammed say that EVERYONE of you Muslims have an attaché amongst the Jinn or Not?




So, again now TRUTHFULLY
According to your prophet, do Muslims including Mohammed have a Shaitan/Jinn with him?


Its a YES or NO question!

dofman:
Na you changed the topic nah .

Oya let face the topic :

Before I finish you , show us where this verse Quran 19:71-72 says Muslims will be in hell fire ?

Do you promise to answer my questions truthfully?


Quran 19:71
"There is not one of you who shall not go down to it (Hell): such is a thing decreed, determined by your Lord."

Quran 19:72
"Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left in it hobbling on their knees.".



So, my Questions
1. Who is the "YOU" in Qur'an 19:71
2. What is the "IT" in Quran 19:71
3. Where will be the harmdoers in Qur'an 19:71 be?
4. According to Qur'an 19:71, are the harmdoers and the Muslims together in Hell or together On a Bridge?
5. What is the "IT" in Quran 19:72


Just as I have numbered my questions, answer them truthfully. You will see that your scholars have been lying to you.

doffman:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I repeat , you don’t know anything .

Yes , our Precious Isa(pbuh) never crucified nah .

Na your own god that was nailed and he cried severely .


The question is :

Does your nailed god cried ?


Yes or no ?

Confounded as usual! You are struggling to change the topic but I won't allow you.


Stop dodging and answer my questions!
Cat ate your tongue!?



Why would your God use me a sinner (saved by Christ) as RANSOM for you Mallam Dofman an unsaved sinner from Hell especially knowing that your entering Hell is already guaranteed by Allah in Quran 19:71-72?