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dofman:
You have been tutored nah .

Na you Paul pikin think like that amd your opinion is valueless .

Na this finish you completely . Go show your pastor

It actually means in context of vs 72 to enter into Hell.


Even your hadith back this up because you Muslims would eventually be ransomed from hell.

HacheNoire:
Atimes I wonder if your lots have a TV or internet access.

So you hearing from me first that the 50k comprises of all African migrants Who used Morroco to get to Europe?

But the land is not in Europe.
It is the Spanish North African enclave of Ceuta.



And your problem with that was Israel wasn't it?

HacheNoire:
Atimes I wonder if your lots have a TV or internet access.

So you hearing from me first that the 50k comprises of all African migrants Who used Morroco to get to Europe?

Abdu
You forgot you said

Chinese intelligence published a few days ago that Mossad in conjunction with the Zio-king of Morocco orchestrated the entire show to "punish" Spain for its pro-palestine stance.

An Abdul will remain one. Non of the Moroccans got anywhere near Europe. They were still All in Africa but on Spanish land

Seems you didn't watch young Moroccan men and women crossing into Spain's land in AFRICA!

motayoayinde:
All this long story to push stewpeed narratives.
Chinese intelligence published a few days ago that Mossad in conjunction with the Zio-king of Morocco orchestrated the entire show to "punish" Spain for its pro-palestine stance.

Petty Shitraeli leaders publicly supported Argentina against Spain at the world cup finals just to have a chance to mock the country.
When that failed, they resorted to planning a border crisis like the rheetards than they are.

Shitrael is on its way out of the middle east just like the other US bases in the region.

Abdul
You must agree then that Israel is that powerful to make the security agents of both Morocco and Spain stand down while almost 50,000 young Moroccans were breaching the international border of Spain.

SMH!

dofman:
.

You have learnt already .

Now let me show that you can never enter paradise cos you have been circumcised.

Deuteronomy 23:1 states: "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off ( Circumcision) shall enter the assembly of the Lord".

Lobatan ; all you guys are going to hell fire 🔥. Gbam .

Oya interprete it 🥷


E Dey plenty for you guys .

Why must you tell (an obvious) lie to make a point?

You even have the audacity to insert a bracket and put in your own words!?

This is shameful!

Your own god is either dead , an idol or non existent which is fine by me and thus, is an it.

However, my own God is a Relational Being, thus those who recognise this use HE or HIM as a description for lack of proper language to use.

hegelian:
Shouldn't it be just? And why use he for the word God? Why personify bit

Since you exist because of something lower than you (an it), can you describe this "it"?

SMH!!

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=140280883][/quote]It is amazing that in 2026, some people cannot properly place their responses properly quotes of others.

These people's level of apparent illiteracy is exceeded only by their illiteracy like that of the imposter visited by the malicious spirit

lawani:
Do the same operation on rent and services. Not only those items under government subsidy. If you use rent and services you will see the Nigerian purchasing power is many times that of Europe or North America
Example. Rent for a two bedroom for one year maybe 250 dollars in Nigeria when it is like 25k dollars in those places giving you a purchasing power 100 times higher
To pay a plumber, lawyer, hairstylist, barber, subscribe for data, eat in a restaurant and etc nko? It is even worse atimes . AND RENT AND SERVICES IS ABOVE FIFTY PERCENT OF ANY ECONOMY. In the US it is above eighty percent.

Easy, why dont you add cost of one room shared apartment. However, dont forget that there is a world of difference between rooms with no road leading to it as in Nigeria and recompute.

We are so used to suffering in Nigeria that we have normalised living below poverty level

Expanse2020:
Where does Jesus told the gentiles or Christians to go to church on Sunday

When will you learn to read to comprehend?

I just told you that the church is an assembly of two or more people who are gathered in the Name of Jesus Christ and not a building.

You seem not to comprehend the meaning of assembly!
SMH!

Indeed you are a Muslim!

lawani:
Are jobs available everywhere?
Yes in every city. Jobs of all kinds is why people are there. They just need organizing

Cost of rent
There are only a few very expensive cities in Nigeria though major cities have expensive neighborhoods. The issue of rent is best solved by rent control. Value a property at only the cost of construction without cost of land and the rent should not be more than 2.5 percent of the value. That I believe is the only way out. I agree the issue of rent is a challenge

Feeding cost

I am talking of now on the feeding cost not when I was an IT student. If you cook by yourself now and you are single it is possible to spend even less than 50k per month. I am not talking of people taking beer everyday

Cost of clothes

Then leave it at 50k per annum but it can be cheaper if you want it to be

Amount paid to immigrants

Calculate yourself. If you give a brand new bike to someone after feeding them for a year, how much is that if monetized per month? The job can't be compared to a minimum wage job. It is more like someone working on an oil rig


Then above all in which serious country is minimum wage for government workers alone? The country is not for government workers alone and no worker is insignificant. A worker at any post is a worker and the minimum wage should apply to all employers including those in the private sector. That is how it is done in other places the concept is used. Restricting it to the government is a bastardization of the concept

You seem not to understand me, therefore can you please using any AI chatbot of your choice, evaluate the relative PURCHASING POWER of the Nigerian worker Normalised for ease of Comparison using this Prompt below.

PROMPT:
Get me the approximate ratio of the averaged minimum wage from consumer data within the last 18 months (converted to dollars) in USA, Britain, Germany, France and Nigeria with each of the cost of the averaged local cost of following items
1. One whole Chicken
2. One crate of Eggs
3. One Pair of Jean Trousers
4. One 20kg bag of Rice
5. One 20 kg bag of Beans
6. 4 litres of vegetable oil
7. One Pair of tee shirt

Determine the worst worker and his country

You will discover that a Person earning minimum wage in Nigeria has a purchasing power between 40-50 times worse than the European and American nations


OTHERWISE, CHECK THIS AI LINK Result

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_4f85879c-47a2-4e9d-a462-5845d7928d7f

lawani:
If you approve such a wage you have made life a bed of roses for Nigerians living in second tier cities and who live close to their work places and life isn't a bed of roses. The amount of food don't need to be that high and the amount for rent too is too high for the average city for one person. Then minimum wage workers should seek jobs closer to home and sometimes big companies shoulder the transport expenses of their lowest paid workers by picking them at bus stops. When I was in NNPC as an IT student, that was the case.
If the cost of rent can be addressed and made even across board then a minimum wage of about 120k can be ok to start with. An adult cooking can spend around 60k or less per month and they will eat well if they cook by themselves. I do that. Rent for one person shouldn't exceed 100k per annum and an unmarried person sharing will be less. Transport can be eliminated or reduced to a bare minimum as I said. Any big company will do this or provide accomodations nearby for minimum wage workers. You can use 50k clothing for two years instead of one. It is only a minimum wage that can be enforced on the private sector and taxed that does good and if it is too high you will not even be able to produce food competitively in your country not to talk of manufacturing. I calculated what is paid to immigrant farm hands in the country and I think it is around 250k per month if everything were monetized but those are mature men that came from foreign countries who often have family abroad. They give them brand new bikes after working for one year during which they would have been fed and also boarded.

You have made a lot of assumptions
1. That jobs are so much available that a person can choose to work close to his home.
2. The cost of rent answers only to location and the cost of INFLATION which in Nigeria is about 26% per annum. Highest rent occur where job availability is slightly higher eg State Capitals, Lagos, Abuja, Rivers, Kano etc
3. While you were an IT student, feeding cost of N60,000 could be adequate. Add food inflation of about 26% per year amd you will discover that my N80,000 for food was an underestimation.
4. You assume that one can use 50k clothing for two years instead of one. This is like N25k per annum. The life span of clothings in Nigeria is about 3 years, so, factor in Shoes, Trousers, Shirts, Slippers etc. Even if you are to purchase BK, how many clothes can you stock in three years at the rate of N25k per annum.

Do you sincerely think that you can use a N75k clothing (including work clothes) for three years?
5. If indeed the amount paid to immigrant farm hands by a company in the country is around 250k per month , it means that the company is actually more humane than the Nigerian Government

Gboss247:
The higher your minimum wage in naira, the higher the prices of goods and services in naira.

The problem is that the government encourages IMPORTATION rather than PRODUCTION/MANUFACTURING. This causes gross lack of jobs

Thus, it is possible to lower the minimum wage to well below the living wages and it would still look normal

lawani:
The disparity in the cost of living causes a disruption. If the cost of living were uniform then a slight increase would be ok but it needs to be enforced on all employers. Rent is the main thing that needs to be regulated. It is the main determinant of the cost of living

I think the first thing is actually looking at the basic need of a Nigerian and calculating the living wage as the minimum wage.

Example
For an Adult Nigerian
1. Food per day:
One tin milk = N1000
One Beef/Fish= N500
Vegetable= N200
Carbohydrates= N1000
TOTAL= N2700 per day
=N81,000 per Month

2. Transport per day:
@N2000 per day
=N50,000 per Month approx


3. Housing
N300,000 Per Year
=N25,000 per Month

4. Clothing
N50,000 per Year
=N4,000 per Month approx.

5. Toiletries
=N1,000 per Month approx

6. Utilities (Electricity/Water/Phone Subscription)
=N10,000 per Month approx



I am sure that these estimates are not above average for a Nigerian as of today.

TOTAL= N81,000 + N50,000 + N25,000 + N4,000 + N1000 +N10,000 = N171,000


In other words, conservatively, no Nigerian should earn less than N171,000-N200,000 per Month.

And if you add tax of (₦187,800) per annum or ₦15,650 per month, the monthly minimum wage must not be less than N186,650 - N215,650 per month

Anything less than this is SLAVERY!!



But we have a TERRIBLE Government that do not care one bit about WELFARE of citizens.

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TemplarLandry:
Minimum wage of 500k? Lmao. Mr. Sowore, don't get ahead of yourself. That's so unrealistic. You're simply inviting acute inflation.

Olohun ma je k'a ṣowo short.

I diss Ṣowo Short with "I See Why" by Moneybagg Yo.

Great jam!

This is roughly $350 per month or $4200 per annum.
Minimum wage should be arrived at by calculating from the minimum standard of living expected for a Nigerian and not an abitrary figure set by the government as enough

Expanse2020:
Where did Jesus asked you to go to church
Which church does Jesus attended
Which Bible did he read

Blackvsiper
TenQ
Antiislam

The church is not a building sir.

The church is the assembly of Believers in Christ.


Here is Jesus teaching about resolution of dispute between two Christians

Mat 18:17:
"And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be to you as an heathen man and a publican."

The Church is the assembly of at least two people worshipping God as Christians: Jesus promised to be with them

Mt 18:20:
"For wherever two or three are assembled in my name, I am there with them.”"

hegelian:
Which kind religion always think about inflicting pain on people.. Imagine spending only 50 miserable years on earth and suffering eternity for it.. Does it even make sense?? It takes serious dementia to follow that kind of religion.. I shall cherish the day I forever get free from religins as a whole

If there is a Creator, should He be just?

Since the Qur'an is grossly IGNORANT, I will oblige you with scripture as your questions are answered.


Gen 2:8, 10-14
8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon[Nile]; it winds through the entire land of Cush[Ethiopia]. 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Note:
1. The Ishmaelites lived "from Havilah to Shur, opposite Egypt" (Genesis 25:18).

2. In (Genesis 10:7), Cush is listed as the father of Arabian tribes like Seba and Havilah. This suggests "Cushite" peoples originally occupied parts of Western Arabia before crossing the Red Sea into Africa, which would align closer to the Middle Eastern rivers.

In other words, Eden is around the Middle East.


The flood of Noah prevent us to identify the exact location because the topography of the land changed drastically.




So, apart from baseless claims, show us EVIDENCES from your Qur'an if it exists.

Expanse2020:
If garden of Eden was not in heaven

Which part is it on this earth?

Who witness Adam and eve and God 👣 steps scene that was recorded in the bible?

Who are the witnesses naw

Why are you avoiding this particular question
You can phone a friend OOO

Blackvsiper
TenQ

Who witness Adam and eve and God 👣 steps scene that was recorded in the bible?

Can you answer this from your Quran if you are truthful?

Who are the witnesses naw?
Does Islam have evidences to present if you are truthful?






Since you refused to learn, let me teach you with some simple questions.
1. If Paradise is in heaven according to Islam, is it TRUE that Euphrates and Nile are all among the rivers of Paradise.

Only Muslims are ignorant of the fact that humans named these two great rivers.

2. Mohammed went to paradise according to Islam. He met Adam at the lowest heaven, he met Jesus and Yahaya in the second heaven......he met Abraham in the seventh heaven.

Since the Islamic paradise is physical, justify how Adam was existed in the lowest heaven?


You will notice that once we probe the claims of Islam, it scatters like a pack of cards.
3. It seems you are not aware that the Sidrat al-Muntaha is above the seventh heaven. At the base of this tree is the four RIVERS of which is the Nile and the Euphrates.

So, did Mohammed see Adam in Paradise or not?

4. Is it true that Allah gave Mohammed 50 daily prayers or it is a fiction?



I await your response!
I honestly hope you will answer my questions one by one as clearly stated out by me.

Expanse2020:
450 pages of exercise book he translated

Then the Qur'an must be that Exercise Book UNTIL you show us a convincing EVIDENCE and stop being EMOTIONALLY adverse to the TRUTH as normal with Muslims like you

MaxInDHouse:
There is no need for arguments if you want to argue continue i've delivered the message.

If you yave an iota of conscience remaining in you, reflect on the fact that
As you can clearly see,
Stephen is different from you
Apollo is different from you
Paul is also different from you


Have a nice day

Expanse2020:
I
The 450 Pages I show the other time are you saying it is false claims

450 pages of what?

Muslims hate and despise the TRUTH as long as it is about Islam

MaxInDHouse:
Now i remember you!🙂

One who always argue with Muslims.

Learn from what just happened it may be your last warning.

True Christians aren't sent out to go about arguing {Titus 3:9} our mission is to search for those who are deserving:

“Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave" Matthew 10:11

Do not change the subject and worry about me.

Phil 1:21:
"For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain."

Why should I be afraid to die because of Christ like Stephen
Luk 12:4:
"And I say to you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do."


The issue is that according to the scriptures presented you are NOT like the servants of Christ eg. Stephen, Apollo and Paul: thus, I feel sorry for you.

Here was the promise of Jesus as He sends us into the world

Mat 10:16-18:
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the middle of wolves: be you therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will whip you in their synagogues; And you shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles."

Expanse2020:
Not the evidence I show before that it was 450 pages the man summited and called Quran...
Quran itself is more than 1500 pages ..
You people are jokers


Someone translated the first and half of second Surat called it Quran..
It not up to two hisbu self ..
Abegii

You think they can reduced Quran like they did in the bible... Quran is 100% protect by Allah

Go and debate on your 66, 76 and 83 books and so on😂🤣🤣🤣

Repeating yourself with no evidence amounts to NOTHING sir.

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=140227430][/quote]Then the Question is
Did Bishop Michael Samuel Cole Partially translated the Qur'an into YORUBA in the year1906?


Muslim scholars hate his translation because
1. He was a Christian (how can he know enough Tafsirs to translate the Qur'an)
2. He did not put beside the Yoruba texts the Arabic (like almost all he English translations of the Qur'an)
3. Omission of the Preface (1924 Edition): In his original 1906 print, Cole included a highly controversial, polemical 14-page preface comparing Christianity and Islam. When the Church Missionary Society (CMS) republished the book in 1924, this preface was completely dropped.

The second question you should ask AI is
1. Which Surah of the Qur'an was omitted in Bishop Michael Samuel Cole's translation of the Qur'an?

OR

2. Which Ayah of the Qur'an was omitted in Bishop Michael Samuel Cole's translation of the Qur'an?


So, dont be emotional about this and admit the truth

MaxInDHouse:
It's not just about READING but STUDYING the Bible to know exactly what happened back then.
Each disciple follow the command from Jesus who ordered them to go and meet people at home {Matthew 10:11-13} and it's only those who welcome their message that is the meaning of lost sheep of the the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} these are people who wants to be guided regarding the truth not stiff-necked religionists who already concluded in their minds that they won't listen.



Interpretation may mislead you so try to compare with other versions and see how each verse is rendered:

He (Apollos) began to speak boldly in the synagogue, and when Pris·cilʹla and Aqʹui·la heard him, they took him into their company and explained the way of God more accurately to him. Act 18:26
Apollos surely had the zeal but not the way Jesus taught his disciples to carry out the preaching and teaching work so Priscilla and Aquila corrected him.
Today some churchgoers are zealous to do the work of evangelizers but they are not trained on how to do the work.
See my brothers who has been arrested in their own countries for talking to their friends about God's Kingdom!

As you can clearly see,
Stephen is different from you
Apollo is different from you
Paul is also different from you

Acts 9:29:
"He talked and debated with the Grecian Jews , but they tried to kill him."

Acts 19:8 (In Ephesus)
"Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God."


So, you see that you are different from the servants of Jesus Christ

MaxInDHouse:
Read over and over Stephen did not go to engage them in an argument rather they came to where he was teaching to contradict him before those listening just as they did to Jesus.
Note that Jesus never purposely engage Pharisees in any argument it was while he was preaching and teaching his audience that they will come to contradict his teachings.
So that man was wrong to have engaged Muslims in an argument.
Are there no reputable men of God in that place?
The young man took it upon himself to challenge them instead of minding his own business which supposed to be the usual preaching and teaching those who wants to listen to him!😟

All I could see was that Stephen did not reply the Jews one bit as he didnt want to debate them. Thus Stephen was Quiets throughout the monologue
And Stephen invited them for bible studies (in their homes) while asking them to buy his religious pamphlets.
SHM!!


I am sure you also havent read about Appolos

Acts 18:28
"For he vigorously refuted his Jewish opponents in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah."

NWT
"for with intensity he thoroughly proved the Jews to be wrong publicly, while he demonstrated by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ."

You are certainly different from the disciples of Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures did Stephen purposely engage them in an argument or they trailed him while he was in the ministry just as they did to Jesus?🤔

Read Acts 6:9-10

MaxInDHouse:
Then they secretly persuaded men to say: “We have heard him speaking blasphemous things against Moses and God.” And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes, and coming upon him suddenly, they forcibly seized him and led him to the Sanʹhe·drin. And they brought forward false witnesses, who said: “This man does not stop speaking things against this holy place and against the Law. For instance, we have heard him say that this Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ will throw down this place and change the customs that Moses handed down to us.” Act 6:11-14
Stephen was accused, arrested and dragged to the public square for execution that is why he used the last minute to express himself.
Back then Christians won't argue with Judaists because they are ready to kill them at sight on the spot unless Roman soldiers are around to protect the believer.
So stop deceiving yourself the act of arguing publicly with radical Muslims is UNSCRIPTURAL!

Your argument was akin to Why would Stephen argue or dispute with the Jews


You probably didn't read this
Acts 6:9:
"Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen."

Stephen won the Debate outstandingly that the Jews were moved to violence

Acts 6:10:
"And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke."


And just like your kinsmen, they incited violence against Stephen

Acts 6:12:
"And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came on him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,"



The same crime you accused this young preacher of doing. Read your bible and let the fruit of Christ manifest in you.

Mar 9:39-40:
"But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part."

Expanse2020:
So translating a exercise book is an archivment of Christianity too where he did accurate job or not
Wahala ..
How do you guys reason
Someone translated over 1000 pages to 450 pages ..

You claimed it a Quran 😂😂😂
Did they asked him to summarized it .
It taught he can do it the way they removed, edit bible from several books down to 88 down to 76 down to 66🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No Yu can't even try to change a verse from Quran that we will not know .,


He summarize it that why when it got to Muslims council they hard asked Saudi for help to write it the way it is and produce he right one our..
The west try but they failed just the way they always failed against islam

Repeating the same claims without evidence amounts to NOTHING but mere WISHING.

Please kindly show us
1. The exercise book that was translated
2. Show us how a blank exercise book can be translated and how it can be called the Qur'an

https://doi.org/10.3366/jqs.2015.0210