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honesttalk21:
All in a bid to avoid answering one question. This is who you are.

Have you asked me any questions I didn't answer?

It is you who avoid answering questions. I even had to answer the three questions I asked you to answer because you were evading it as usual.

If you think I haven't answered your question, kindly post it here and I will oblige you

I only fear wasting my time with one who is not interested in the Truth. If a person is bent on calling colour white as green, it doesn't matter the evidence showed him, white will always be called green

honesttalk21:
Evasion as expected. To simply present your accepted definition to compare with what the Quran says makes you only garulous?

Do much better!

The problems of Muslims are three folds
1. Muslims do NOT care about the Truth
2. Muslims do not ask RELEVANT Questions about Religion
3. They Equate BLIND faith with Faith in Mohammed with Faith in God

The truth doesn't matter to you and except by God's grace, the Al-Makr has succeeded over your life. I pray that one day your eyes will open as the Light is useless to a Blind man.




Have a good night rest please

Mi

honesttalk21:
This objection misses the mark in terms of methodology rather than wording. The Qur'an does not claim to represent the views of the majority of Christians, nor does it need to reference specific sects to make a valid critique. It focuses on theological assertions, their implications, and practices, rather than on how different denominations describe themselves. Requiring majority opinions or formal sect names is a contemporary apologetic standard that has been wrongly applied to a 7th-century Semitic text that is polemical in nature.

Your comparison to Shia or Akhbari beliefs is flawed as the Qur'an does not treat fringe theology as mainstream orthodoxy; it challenges claims about God, regardless of how widely accepted or formally recognized they may be. In prophetic discourse, truth and falsehood are not determined by majority consensus.

Regarding your numbered questions, points 1 to 4 are not relevant. The Qur'an's objection is not that Christians verbally deny the oneness of God, but rather that concepts like the Trinity, divine sonship, and shared divinity contradict that oneness at a conceptual level. One can assert that God is one while still violating the principle of absolute monotheism.

As for the identity of Allah in this context, it refers to anyone who attributes divinity, partners, persons, or divine mediation alongside God whether through doctrine, worship, or implication. Identifying specific sects is unnecessary because the focus is on the idea itself, not the label.

Describing this as an incomplete narrative misinterprets the genre of the text. The Qur'an is not an ethnographic study of Christian sects; it is a theological refutation. The perceived incompleteness lies not within the Qur'an but in an argument that confuses prophetic critique with a demographic survey.

To appropriately effect your arguments respond if indeed you don't ignore not to expose your lies and hypocrisy:



Rephrase in whichever manner to restate issues already answered however you wish. I will not accommodate any of that or allow diversion away from the core.

The Qur’an doesn’t misrepresent the Trinity; instead, it outright rejects the whole idea of divine plurality. Calling that clueless mixes up a denial of theology with a simple misunderstanding. Define the trinity if you really want to show how the Quran hasn't addressed it!

Sorry!

All you have said is that
1. Allah is a bad communicator and it requires you to say exactly what Allah intend to say.
2. Allah cannot be taken by his words because he seldom mean exactly what he says and it requires you to explain exactly what Allah meant to say


Are you really better in explaining Allah's words than Allah and his prophet?


What I have learnt from this is that without faithful Muslims, Allah's words are like the babblings of a toddler and we need expert Muslims to make the words legible to any normal person.

I can understand if you don't understand Trinity as YHWH is unlikely Anything in Creation BUT I expect Allah to understand Trinity which leads to two conclusions
1. Allah is truly ignorant of the Christians belief and doctrines
2. Allah is being deceptive by creating strawman easy for him to deal with. Allah is the best in deception, the Al-Makr himself.

Taoheed is extremely easy to comprehend because it is very similar to the Taoheed of Iblis. Allah can only be in one location at a time just as Iblis. Eight mountain goats (angels) carry the throne of Allah. Allah cannot even enter his creation even if he wanted to. I agree, Taoheed is easy to understand therefore, it must be true! SMH!?

It is of no wonder that Allah gives lame excuses all about the Qur'an.

I am sure you will agree with me that it is impossible to explain any concept to a person who is not ready to accept the TRUTH.
Unfortunately , the problems of Muslims are three folds
1. Muslims do NOT care about the Truth
2. Muslims do not ask RELEVANT Questions about Religion
3. They Equate BLIND faith with Faith in Mohammed with Faith in God

Thus, like someone with fake sack of currency notes they think they are rich not knowing that they are extremely poor.



When you are ready for the TRUTH, the Truth will set you FREE

Ask the people of the book and you will receive the TRUTH according to Quran 16:43 and Qur'an 21:7

honesttalk21:
No, that’s precisely the mistake you’re making, not the Qur’an. Islam, similar to Christianity, differentiates between the core teachings of the religion and the claims of certain groups. The beliefs of Akhbaris or some Shia factions do not represent the entirety of Islam, just as fringe Christian sects do not define Christianity. The Qur’an addresses specific doctrines and practices rather than identities based on association. Your argument is a composition fallacy, and attributing it to Allah doesn’t make it correct.

Good! Meaning that Allah used the wrong words to say what you think he wants to say OR these are strawman statements from Allah.

So, just as you wouldn't want me to generalize fringe Muslim sects such as the Shia wrt Mutah and Akhbaris wrt corruption of the Qur'an to represent Muslims and Islam, it is only right for you not to think that those verses refer to Christians.
WHY?
*Even though no Christian sect hold the Qur'an position, we can still ask the following questions*
1. Does the Majority of Christians take Mary as god besides God?
2. Does the majority of Christians say God is the third of Three?
3. Does the majority of Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?
4. Does the majority of Christians deny that God is ONE?


The question then is, who is Allah referring to in the three verses here? What is/are the names of the sects as certainly these are not what Christians believe.

Without proper identification, the Qur'an is at best an incomplete narrative

Qasim6:
The only thing you have been exposing is ur ass

When you hold these beliefs
Father(Jesus's God) is God, Jesus is God, Holy spirit is God
Jesus is not the father, Jesus is not the holy spirit and the holy spirit is not the father
The only logical conclusion is there are 3 Gods and Jesus's God is 3rd of a three.

If that is not your conclusion, then you will have to explain to us how you reach another conclusion. If you can't, just tell us u can't and play the mystery card, don't waste my time.

If you are praying to a created being like the one I shared with you earlier, you are indirectly taking them as god besides God, I don't know you still need explanation regarding that or what's your own honest opinion about the Christians that pray to Mary?

My questions to you were very simple and answering it exposes the truth.
It's just three questions please



Can you explain by answering these questions that seem to show that Allah doesn't understand what he is speaking about?

Question 1. From Quran 5:73
Can you please show that Christians say God is the third of Three? Is it TRUE that Christians say God is the third of Three?


Question 2. From Qur'an 5:116
Can you please show that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?. Is it TRUE that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?

Question 3. From Quran 4:171
a. What exactly do the Christians call THREE according to Allah which we are expected to desist from saying as Christians? Is this three the same as TRINITY?

b. Do you know any Christian who deny that God is ONE?


As usual, I can trust that you will go at tangent to avoid answering the direct questions.


WHY?


Because the problems of Muslims are three folds
1. Muslims do NOT care about the Truth
2. Muslims do not ask RELEVANT Questions about Religion
3. They Equate BLIND faith with Faith in Mohammed with Faith in God

Thus, like someone with fake sack of currency notes they think they are rich not knowing that they are extremely poor.

honesttalk21:
No matter how many times you state, your analogy regarding the Akhbari perspective is flawed because the Qur’an is not simply a human document categorizing different sects; it addresses issues in a normative and polemical manner, similar to the Bible, which references groups like the Jews and “the Christians without acknowledging every minority amongst them. The lack of the word some does not mean all and that is a linguistic error, not a problem with the text itself. Regarding Q 5:116, this verse serves as a rhetorical condemnation rather than a demographic survey. It criticizes any Christian practice that places Jesus or Mary in divine positions, a practice that has historically existed and continues to function today in such forms as in prayer and intercession. Your assertion that Allah refers to all Christians is your interpretation, not what the text states. In reference to Q 4:171 and Q 5:73, the term three indeed pertains to the concept of the Trinity. The Qur’an rejects this idea without using the specific terminology, as it critiques the concept rather than validating the label. Not reflecting Christian self-definitions is not a sign of ignorance; it is a theological rejection. You did not uncover a new truth; rather, you acknowledged that the Qur’an adequately addresses the Trinity, which is precisely what Muslims have maintained from the beginning.

Using your argument

Since the Akhbaris are Muslims, then it is suffice to say that Muslims agree that their Qur'an is corrupted.
AND
Since the Shia are Muslims, then it is suffice to say that Muslims agree that it is lawful for them to do Mutah (halal prostitution).

This is how you think Allah reason!
Congratulations!

Qasim6:
Lol! I trust you Trinitarians to run away from explaining how your God is not 3
You are very loud mouthed about how Allah is ignorant of your man made doctrine but to explain how your God is not 3 now becomes a problem. You know if you attempt ur ass will be exposed badly.

Trust me there is nothing to understand in a false doctrine like trinity. It is just polytheism forcefully clothed in the garment of monotheism.

At some point you will have to face the truth and accept that you guys worship 3 gods
You believe the Father(Jesus's God), Jesus himself, and Holy spirit are all Gods
How is that not a belief that Jesus's God is 3rd of a three?

All I did was to expose the lies Allah told in three verses and nowhere did I explain the Trinity to you.
If Allah doesn't even understand the Christian doctrine, how can I expect you to understand anything of the Trinity.

Can you explain by answering these questions that seem to show that Allah doesn't understand what he is speaking about?

Question 1. From Quran 5:73
Can you please show that Christians say God is the third of Three? Is it TRUE that Christians say God is the third of Three?


Question 2. From Qur'an 5:116
Can you please show that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?. Is it TRUE that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?

Question 3. From Quran 4:171
a. What exactly do the Christians call THREE according to Allah which we are expected to desist from saying as Christians? Is this three the same as TRINITY?

b. Do you know any Christian who deny that God is ONE?


Over to you

Qasim6:
U are probably not paying attention, you need to learn how to track argument so you won't go off track.
The prophet himself told us how the salawat reach him, so you can romance the "peace be upon you" all you want, no Muslims believe the prophet hear us directly. And we don't believe Angels carry our prayers to Allah. Lol!

And please stop repeating the argument Allah pray to Muhammad it's old and stale at this point.

Salawat reach your prophet the same way as salawat reach Allah!


It seems you don't know that

honesttalk21:
Whatever simulation that has you answer for another like you now have powers to know exactly how another thinks and responds is nothing other than chronic insanity!.

Your analogy regarding the Akhbari perspective is valid and actually weakens your argument. The Qur'an, similar to the Bible, critiques beliefs as they are understood, practiced, and logically derived, rather than just addressing refined theological statements. For instance, Q 5:73 (third of three) challenges the implications of the Trinity. If the Father, Son, and Spirit are all fully God, then that implies there are three distinct Gods, regardless of how Christians prefer to phrase it. The Qur'an is addressing the nature of being, not merely quoting a doctrine.

A knowledgeable person will say
"The Akhbaris believe that the extant Qur'an is corrupted"
An Ignorant person will say
"The Muslims believe that the extant Qur'an is corrupted"

The author of the Qur'an should know better as he FAILED to give us the Identity of the Christian group he speaks about.

It's an undefendable shame.

honesttalk21:
Furthermore, Q 5:116 does not claim that all Christians worship Mary; it condemns the practice of elevating humans to divine roles, such as in prayer, intercession, or divine titles, which has historically occurred and continues to exist. Referring to Jesus as God beside God is a valid critique, suggesting the existence of a second divine figure alongside the Father. Q 4:171 (do not say three) clearly rejects the idea of a tri-personal God. While saying God is one essence is true, it does not negate the Christian teaching of three distinct divine persons, a concept that was not taught by any prophet prior to Jesus or even Jesus himself.

In conclusion, this is not a matter of ignorance or hearsay; it is a significant rejection of the metaphysical views that developed after the biblical texts. You may disagree with the critique, but labeling it as a straw man is flawed both logically and historically.

1. I want to believe that Allah speaks perfect Arabic and he is extremely knowledgeable to know that he can say "some Christians" rather than "Christians" when he meant a subset of Christians in Qur'an 5:116

How do you know that Allah does not claim that all Christians worship Mary but some of the Christians?



2. So, you now admit that Allah was speaking about Trinity when he said THREE in Qur'an 4:171 or Quran 5:73!?

Remember where we started!

honesttalk21:
In all this irrelevance you don't show where Allah in the Quran defines the trinity as you claim as God, Jesus and Mary. The credibility of your statements is at stake here.

See how we can force the truth out of your mouth without being direct with appropriate questions.

Qasim6:
What exactly do you mean by no Christian group believe God is the third of 3 when that's exactly what you Trinitarians believe

There are several places in the NT where Jesus identifies Father as his God, And according to the trinity the Father is not the Son and the son is not the Father.

We know you guys worship 3 gods so you can just quit this hide and seek. because I don't understand if the Father is God, the son is God and the spirit is God and they are not each other that is solid three Gods. You will have to explain to us how that is not 3 Gods before you start accusing Allah of not knowing your doctrine.

Your straw man highlighted as without it, you have no argument. I can understand if you don't understand Trinity however, I find it amusing that Allah himself is worse off than you in understanding of Trinity! LOL

I have highlighted the errors of the verses to you without even asking about trinity as lies will come out of you as expected of true Muslims.

The grand truth is that Allah was definitely misinformed about what Christians believe. None of what he stated in the verses is what Christians believe. The truth is bitter and you can thrash about as much as you like as it changes nothing

Qasim6:
Maybe you are not aware, we don't believe the prophet is all hearing in such a way that he would hear all our salawat directly.

The Prophet is reported to have said:
​"Indeed, Allah has angels who travel around the earth, conveying to me the Salaam of my Ummah."

In another authentic hadith:
"Your blessings will be conveyed to me." When asked how this is possible after death, he explained that Allah has forbidden the earth from consuming the bodies of the Prophets."

This implies the Prophet does not have the attributes of all hearing where he would hear every voice in the world like a god or something but relies on angels sent by Allah to bring the blessings to him.

If your prophet cannot hear you because he is dead and in his grave (not even yet in paradise), why do you direct part of the Tashahud to him.

Are you praying to the corpse of Mohammed?

As-salamu alayka ayyuha-n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu-llahi wa barakatuhu
Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.

The Question is:
Is the prophet with you for you to say "Peace be upon YOU"?
Secondly, since all over the world, you repeat this same prayer, it means Mohammed from his grave hears you.

The argument of angels carrying the prayers to Mohammed doesn't hold as angels also carry your prayers to Allah

Qasim6:
Now compare that to this elaborate prayer offer to Mary

O Mary, you shine continuously on our journey as a sign of salvation and hope.
We entrust ourselves to you, Health of the Sick.
At the foot of the Cross you participated in Jesus’ pain, with steadfast faith. You, Salvation of the Roman People, know what we need.
We are certain that you will provide, so that,
as you did at Cana of Galilee, joy and feasting might return after this moment of trial.
Help us, Mother of Divine Love,
to conform ourselves to the Father’s will
and to do what Jesus tells us:
He who took our sufferings upon Himself, and bore our sorrows to bring us through the Cross, to the joy of the Resurrection. Amen.

We seek refuge under your protection, O Holy Mother of God. Do not despise our pleas – we who are put to the test – and deliver us from every danger, O glorious and blessed Virgin.

Is this comparable to sending salawat to the Prophet? Or what exactly are you talking about?

So lame an argument.
1. If others pray to human beings does it in any way justify why Muslims following Islam would pray to Mohammed as they do to Allah?
2. All Muslims without exception pray to Mohammed through the Tashahud isn't it? Do all who claim to be Christians pray to Mary?
Your argument is like me claiming that Muslims practice Mutah just as you have said that Christians pray to Mary.!


Sorry, as long as you Muslims without exception pray to Mohammed through the Tashahud and you associate both the knowledge and name of Allah with Mohammed , you have no case.


It is no wonder that Allah and his Angels also pray upon Mohammed. So, what is strange in you Muslims also praying to Mohammed

Qur'an 33:56
"Indeed, Allah and His angels PRAYS (yusallūna) upon the Prophet..."

Quran 33:43
He (Allah) is the One who PRAYS ("yusallūna" (يُصَلُّونَ)) upon you, and His angels [also], that He may bring you out from the darknesses into the light. And He is ever Merciful to the believers.



So, tell me, what can be worse than the whole of existence including Allah praying upon one man called Mohammed?

honesttalk21:
Happy that you continue to show your ignorance and incapacity to comprehend?

I put a closure which you deliberately ignore or feign blind to. Address it even for just your person good and use.

The problems of Muslims are three folds
1. Muslims do NOT care about the Truth
2. Muslims do not ask RELEVANT Questions about Religion
3. They Equate BLIND faith with Faith in God

Thus, like someone with fake sack of currency notes they think they are rich not knowing that they are extremely poor.

honesttalk21:
Rephrase in whichever manner to restate issues already answered however you wish. I will not accommodate any of that or allow diversion away from the core.

Three verses and each was an ERROR!?
It can only be the Qur'an! LOL!!


You are not happy because I pulled up the gross ignorance of the author of the Qur'an!? He definitely doesn't understand what Christians believe and he can at best be said to rely on hearsay from ignorant Arabs of the 7th century.

Islam cannot withstand Scrutiny, it always fall and scatter like a pack of cards in a whirlwind

Sorry, I can't help it as God is the Truth and any falsehood must definitely bow to finite Creature who align with the Truth.



Like I said:
As usual , the garment of Islam is about STRAW MAN arguments based either on gross IGNORANCE or deliberate FALSEHOOD!

Note: Do you agree that
It will be incorrect for me to say that Muslims believe that the extant Qur'an is corrupted and incomplete. However, I will be correct to say that the Akhbari school of Shia Muslims believe that the extant Qur'an is corrupted and incomplete.

honesttalk21:
Persistently deny as is your nature but did you not step in when I asked your mentee to show the where Allah in the Quran clearly defines the trinity?



What were you trying to do in your selective embolding? Honestly make that make real good sense.

Where Qur’an 5:73 states, Allah is the third of three, it reflects a genuine claim made by some Christians, even if the wording differs and; you convincingly disregard the characterizing precondition that indeed they have disbelieve, Orthodox Christianity teaches that God exists as three distinct persons Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; each fully divine. This understanding implies that each person is considered God within a triad, even if Christians do not use that exact phrasing. The Qur’an critiques this doctrine rather than quoting a specific creed.

In Qur’an 5:116, the text mentions Jesus and Mary as gods in dialogue that Allah has with Jesus on judgement day to expressly expose the truth, but it does not assert that all Christians believe Mary is divine. Referred to by some as theotokos and linking her with divinity. Instead, it condemns certain historical groups, such as the Collyridians, who worshiped Mary, or you deny this group existed? And more generally, it criticizes any practice that elevates humans to divine status, such as intercession or prayer directed to them. This is a condemnation of specific practices rather than a misrepresentation of Nicene theology.

Regarding Qur’an 4:171, the phrase Do not say Three refers to the concept of a tri-personal God. This includes the Trinity, regardless of any philosophical distinctions. While Christians do not verbally deny the oneness of God, the conceptual framework they use one essence plus three distinct persons who are each fully God does not align with the biblical oneness described in Deuteronomy 6:4, as it is a later metaphysical interpretation.

In response to your analogy about sects, it actually supports the Islamic perspective. The Qur’an critiques specific claims and practices rather than labeling entire groups. Just as it is reasonable to critique Akhbari Shia beliefs without generalizing about all Muslims, it is valid for the Qur’an to address actual Christian doctrines and behaviors without suggesting that every Christian holds the same views. This is not a misrepresentation; it is a theological critique that addresses issues like the division of divine identity, the elevation of created beings, and the departure from prophetic monotheism. You can disagree, but it’s important to recognize that this is not a case of misrepresentation.

Muslims will never ever answer direct questions, this, I will oblige you by answering the questions without being vague.

The answers of each of the questions prove one this Author of the Qur'an has no CLUE about the teachings of the Bible and got his knowledge from hearsay.


The Answers Correct the Author of the Qur'an's gross Error and lack of Comprehension

Question 1. From Quran 5:73
Can you please show that Christians say God is the third of Three? Is it TRUE that Christians say God is the third of Three?

Answer:
There is no single Christian group or denomination that says anywhere that God is the third of Three . What Christians say is that God is the Father, God is the Son and God is the Holy Spirit.

This shows pure ignorance of the author of the Qur'an and his straw man argument.

Let me ask you another question:
What does Allah mean by Third of three ?





Question 2. From Qur'an 5:116
Can you please show that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?. Is it TRUE that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?
Answer:
a. Christians never ever claim that Mary is God and I challenge you to show evidence to the contrary.
b. Christians say that Jesus is God not that Jesus is God besides God (a complete misnomer)


This shows pure ignorance of the author of the Qur'an and his straw man argument. If the author of the Qur'an is this ignorant, woe beside the followers of the book.





Question 3. From Quran 4:171
a. What exactly do the Christians call THREE according to Allah which we are expected to desist from saying as Christians? Is this three the same as TRINITY?

b. Do you know any Christian who deny that God is ONE?

Answer:
a. The only thing closest to THREE by Christians is the Trinity
b. There is no single Christian that believes other than God is ONE


It seems clearly that the author of the Qur'an cannot be said to understand what Christians believe.

Like I said:
As usual , the garment of Islam is about STRAW MAN arguments based either on gross IGNORANCE or deliberate FALSEHOOD!






The questions you avoided answering is what I have answered for you and they prove one thing.
The Author and Source of the Qur'an is at best IGNORANT of Christian Doctrine or a Deliberate LIAR. Thus, he thus has to manufacture Straw man to have something to attack.

honesttalk21:
Your argument misrepresents English translations by ignoring the depth of Arabic and its historical context.

In Qur’an 5:73, the text does not attempt to define the Christian Trinity. Instead, it rejects the notion of dividing God into multiple objects of worship. The phrase “third of three” (ثَالِثُ ثَلَاثَةٍ) functions as a rhetorical condemnation of plurality in divinity, not an analysis of Nicene theology.


Qur’an 5:116 focuses on certain historical groups who venerated Jesus and Mary alongside God, rather than claiming to represent all Christian beliefs. The verse condemns the act of elevating them to divine status, not whatever mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity now or previously claims to have.

In Qur’an 4:171, the text gives Jesus titles like Messiah, Word from God, and a spirit from Him. These titles honor him without asserting his divinity. The instruction Do not say Three rejects the division of God's essence, not a misinterpretation of Christian theology.

The Qur’an critiques both popular religious practices and extreme theological views, instead of targeting the Nicene creed.

Your opposing argument incorrectly equates critique with definition and selectively interprets translations, forming a strawman. When one considers the Arabic language, historical context, and the nature of theological debate, the claim that the Qur’an misrepresents the Trinity falls apart.

I knew you were going to deny the translation and that was why I never asked you any direct question about TRINITY . I asked you questions based on what Allah claimed in three verses.

You skipped all the questions, so can you please go back to them?

1. From Quran 5:73
Can you please show that Christians say God is the third of Three? Is it TRUE that Christians say God is the third of Three?

2.From Qur'an 5:116
Can you please show that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?. Is it TRUE that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God?

3. From Quran 4:171
a. What exactly do the Christians call THREE according to Allah which we are expected to desist from saying as Christians? Is this three the same as TRINITY?

b. Do you know any Christian who deny that God is ONE?


It seems clearly that the author of the Qur'an cannot be said to understand what Christians believe.

PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS based on the verses from which I extracted the Questions

As usual , the garment of Islam is about STRAW MAN arguments based either on gross IGNORANCE or deliberate FALSEHOOD!





Note: Do you agree that
It will be incorrect for me to say that Muslims believe that the extant Qur'an is corrupted and incomplete. However, I will be correct to say that the Akhbari school of Shia Muslims believe that the extant Qur'an is corrupted and incomplete.

Be mindful of this logic in explaining the Qur'an and answering my questions.

Qasim6:
Yeye
In all of these, you have not quoted the verse that defines trinity as Allah, Mary and Jesus.
It's been lots of chochocho with no workings.

If veneration is just to show honour, respect, love then it is not in anyway shrik, but if you've started giving divine qualities to created beings like praying to them then it is shrik.

Muslims pray to Prophet Muhammad in Tashahhud? Seriously?

​"All compliments, prayers, and pure actions are due to Allah. Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and on the righteous servants of Allah. I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger."

Which part of this is praying to the prophet?

You mean you have been reciting the Tashahud five times a day and you don't recognise that it is a prayer to both Allah and your prophet!?


Here is it: I will highlight the part where you speak to Mohammed himself in the prayer


As-salamu alayka ayyuha-n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu-llahi wa barakatuhu
Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.

The Question is:
Is the prophet with you for you to say "Peace be upon YOU"?
Secondly, since all over the world, you repeat this same prayer, it means Mohammed from his grave hears you.




Before your upcoming baseless argument, note that Arabic Language is so rich that you could have said

"Peace be upon our prophet " as As-salamu ʿalā nabiyyinā
OR
"Peace be upon the prophet" as As-salamu ʿalā an-nabiyy

thus, it would be clear that this is a prayer to Allah and not a direct reference to Mohammed as he is NOT present with you.



Or is Mohammed present with you Muslims when you pray?


Sorry, Mohammed is the assistant Allah. This is why you Muslims associate both the Name of Allah and the knowledge of Allah with that of Mohammed.

honesttalk21:
In all this irrelevance you don't show where Allah in the Quran defines the trinity as you claim as God, Jesus and Mary. The credibility of your statements is at stake here.

Since you asked, let me show you the ignorance of the one who authored the Qur'an


Quran 5:73:
"They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.' And there is no god except one God. If they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment."

1. Can you please show that Christians say God is the third of Three?

If you cannot find one denomination, the author of the Qur'an cannot be said that he understands Trinity

Quran 5:116:
Allah questions Jesus directly: "Did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" This addresses a perceived trinitarian inclusion of Mary alongside Allah and Jesus.


2. Can you please show that Christians say Jesus and Mary are gods beside God.

A reference will suffice otherwise, the author of the Qur'an cannot be said that he understands what Christians believe


The author of the Qur'an seems totally ignorant of what Christians teach as Trinity.



Quran 4:171:
People of the Book, do not go to extremes in your religion or say anything about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, His Word which He conveyed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop that—it is better for you. Allah is but One God. He is far above having a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and earth, and Allah alone suffices as your guardian

The author of the Qur'an after stating the Trinity of Jesus as a Spirit from Allah, the Word of Allah and a Messenger of Allah DENIED Trinity in the same verse.

3. What exactly do the Christians call THREE according to Allah which we are expected to desist from saying as Christians?

4. Do you know any Christian who deny that God is ONE?

References will suffice otherwise, the author of the Qur'an cannot be said that he understands what Christians believe.


As usual , the garment of Islam is about STRAW MAN arguments based either on gross IGNORANCE or deliberate FALSEHOOD!

kaybeejnr:
Please share your thoughts and lets learn from one another. What are your own reasons? What are the things that turn you off about Islam?
Lets share and educate one another in a matured way please. Thank you.

Accepting Islam is not about abandoning reason, culture, or dignity. It is about aligning yourself with clarity, purpose, and truth.

First, Islam offers the clearest concept of God; One God. Absolute, eternal, unique, and independent. Not part human, not born, not dying, not divided. This simplicity is not a weakness; it is a strength. It resolves centuries of theological confusion by affirming that the Creator is distinct from creation, beyond human limitations, yet close enough to hear every sincere prayer. This idea resonates naturally with the human mind and conscience.

Second, Islam respects human intelligence. It does not ask you to suspend reason to believe. The Qur’an repeatedly challenges people to think, reflect, question, and observe the world. It appeals to logic, history, and morality. Blind faith is never praised; thoughtful conviction is. Islam acknowledges doubt as a stage, not a sin, and invites inquiry rather than fear of questions.

Third, Islam provides a complete moral framework that is practical, balanced, and realistic. It recognizes human weakness without glorifying it, and human discipline without crushing the soul. Justice, mercy, accountability, compassion, self-control, charity, and humility are not abstract ideals, they are daily practices. Islam does not reduce morality to personal opinion or social trends; it grounds ethics in divine wisdom, stable across time and cultures.

Fourth, Islam gives life meaning beyond material success. Wealth, status, race, nationality, and gender do not define your worth. Your value lies in your character and consciousness of God. Islam answers the deepest questions: Why am I here? Why does suffering exist? What happens after death? It teaches that life is a test, pain is not pointless, and justice is not limited to this world.

Fifth, Islam restores personal responsibility. No inherited sin. No one carries the burden of another. You are accountable for your choices, but you are also never locked out of forgiveness. Repentance is direct, no intermediaries, no rituals of humiliation. Turn back sincerely, and God forgives. This balance between accountability and mercy is rare and powerful.

Finally, Islam is not about becoming Arab, rejecting your culture, or losing your individuality. It is about submitting to truth while remaining human. Across history, Islam has united diverse civilizations under shared principles without erasing their identities.

If your hesitation is based on politics, media stereotypes, or the behavior of some Muslims, then be fair: judge Islam by its[b] sources[/b], not its misuse. Every ideology has followers who betray its ideals.

Islam does not force itself on anyone. It simply invites you to consider: If God exists, if truth matters, and if accountability is real. Then does Islam not deserve a sincere, honest look?

Unfortunately, the whole of Islam is based on LIES and FALSEHOOD: everything!!

Taoheed is the most evil description of God who created everything.

The problems of Muslims are three folds
1. Muslims do NOT care about the Truth
2. Muslims do not ask RELEVANT Questions about Religion
3. They Equate BLIND faith with Faith in God

Thus, like someone with fake sack of currency notes they think they are rich not knowing that they are extremely poor.




Quran 19:71-72
- And there is none of you except he enter it (Hell) ; it was upon your Lord a decided matter.
-Then We will deliver those who were fearing, and We will leave the wrongdoers in it crouching.

Quran 46:9
Tell them: “I am not the first of the Messengers; and I do not know what shall be done with me or with you . I follow only what is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.”

BUT, you won't ask Questions because the truth doesn't matter to you.

Ttalk:
I've probably been active in politics both at state and federal level before you finished primary school.

Oya, show me the difference between general membership card and stakeholder card

All these children will just say whatever comes their mind with thinking whether it makes sense or not.

No need to argue with an ordinary adult and full-grown card carrying membership who thinks he is no different from the movers and shakers of the party.

Ttalk:
As how?

We have 360HoR member, and he is one out of about 20members from Kano state. What advantage will that decamp offer Atiku either as a spy or whatever anyone want to term it.

However, that action is capable of sending wrong signal to people who may want to consider Atiku in ADC but his sons action is a setback to such move. It is a fundamental flaws that will hunt Atiku in the coming election.

Will anyone like to stake his life, his money for Atiku project when his son is running away from such project?

There are at least two levels of party membership
1. Card carrying membership (all members)
2. Financial stakeholders

Financial stakeholders are those we are part of the planners and strategists of the party. They form the inner caucus with their levels depending on their financial stakeholding in the party.

You think Atiku's son doesn't want him to become the president!? His own is to be relevant APC until it is time to decamp

KobolanderSegun:
Me I am Laughing..... In 2026 men are still prioritizing Female Virginity as a yardstick for marriage ? In 2026 !!!

What about Female Intelligence, Female Wisdom, Female Comportment, Female Financial Literacy ? They are not even looking to see whether she can cook. But No she must be a Virgin.

I cannot speak for everyone but no wonder Africa is so backward when you place so much energy on a state God created but you will not look for attributes that come with self development.

The intelligent ladies are not easily deceived by randy men who will sleep with them with no commitment , thus they remain virgins till the get married.

The intelligent ladies are preoccupied with learning and personal achievements that they don't fall prey to randy men who will sleep with them with no commitment , thus they remain virgins till the get married.

The intelligent ladies know the difference between love and lust, thus they wait for the right and responsible man that will put a ring on their fingers when they marry, this , they remain virgins.

Only dumb ladies with low levels of Intelligence, Wisdom, Comportment and Financial Literacy sleep around for validation.

BTW:
There are many virgin ladies around, your band of association has probably made you think that virgin mature ladies are scarce commodities.

Virginity is NOT the only yardstick for a good marriage sir but it is surely an important factor. A person who chooses to marry a lady based on just her virginity is a compound FUUUL

Ttalk:
I can see many dumb people saying Atiku son is planted as a spy, and I asked is that how any of them would have played it if they were in same position, using your biological son as a spy on your opponent when there are 1000 of neutral politicians you can use.

Many with zero idea in political just come online to type rubbish

It is the level of money contribution that determine your level of access to Party strategy and position. Atiku's son can wield the kind of money required

mariovito:
Waste of time.

Likely COD, accident, diabetes or complications from diabetes.

I think faith healers need to be held to the same standard medical professionals and the rest of the society are held.

Give medical advice or attempt to treat a sick person in some highly regulated societies and go in for it.

Same way, faith healers need to be held responsible and liable when they assume the responsibility of medical professionals.

You kno byou can't treat an ailment, yet for clout you tout to do so or have a god that can do so

Also, these people who go to these shams for medical miracles, are they alright?

Who told you that she didn't seek hospital help for her ailment?

Kaliningrad:
For those wondering who Azov Brigade are.

They are Nazis through and through.

This is who you support in Ukraine

And this is who you support in Russia!?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jFzo-fQVxk

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bigpriik:
They wanted to take the city earlier but were forced to retreat eastward by NATO forces now they are grudually taking Ukrainian cities one after the other from the east, they will definitely get to kiev it's just a matter of time.

It is definite that you are not current with your news. Pokrovskf was supposed to have been completely encircled since November, till now we are still waiting

Expanse2020:
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You go explain tire 🤣🤣🤣🤣
No evidence
Antiislam
IslamVIRGINS
TenQ

Birds of the same Feathers!


"Does your god born on dec 25?"

The first thing Islam blocks is cognitive abilities of a normal human being!

illicit:
How did her gods alllw that...?

Why not blame those who burned her house in the name of their God Allah!

WriterNig:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vViBrZ3Ocfg?si=3NWOTqh-g4ukRXY0

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Chuck Callesto posted;

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AMK Mapping posted;

Trump is simply following the footprint of Putin. Isn't this wonderful?

Mirasteel:
Let Ukraine agree to every Russia demands if Ukraine want peace.

So you absolutely agree to paying ransom for your kidnapping by the Fulani bandits?

Is that not paying ransom to thugs?
Give me your land or else.....
Give me your money or else.....

adenigga:
Source: https://dailypost.ng/2026/01/01/convert-to-islam-or-die-iswap-burns-down-christian-village-in-adamawa-nigeria

Muslims will say that Islam doesn't say this as a means of deceiving Christians that Islam is peace!

Mirasteel:
Stop pushing Ukraine into the pit, you guys don't know the damages done already in Ukraine, even Kyiv isn't left out.

So, Ukraine should be persuaded to surrender the whole of Ukraine to Russia. Russia may be magnanimous to allow Ukraine to have Kiev alone.