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Iseoluwani:
u are wrong.
where did Isaac or Abraham do church wedding or were did the new testament christain do church wedding. dont be brainwashed

Nuheights:
I don't think they should

MMWandali:
Father is right
Pastor is wrong

No verse in the bible requires pastor to pronounce anything
God gave the power to parents to give out their children in marriage

Period!!

LegalWolf:
Hey FxMasterz TenQ et. al

I can't even keep up with the loads of comments and mentions. At a point, I noticed one future thief was quite matured enough to know that I have been very busy and that accounts for the reason I haven't gotten back. But again, like a Cyclothymia patient, he relapsed still thinking I avoided him.

Despite my reservations, thank you TenQ (and FxMasterz) for checking up at a point. I do not take this for granted. While I will love to engage you all, I just have better things to do with my time. I have more rewarding engagements and relationships to build with others I find more worthy in intellect than you two. And I mean no harm. So why I will continue to respond depending on availability and boredom, do not expect that I will dignify you with a response going forward.

Today is shabbath and after working for 6 days, I want to rest like yhwh. Do have a lovely weekend and would see when we see!

MightySparrow:
Lies cannot be supported by truth. The reason they forbid questioning the authenticity of Mohammed's prophet hood. They put fatwah on any questioner and commit jihad on anyone that converts to other religion.


One thing that amazes me is their efforts to condemn them Bible and Jews and Christians altogether.
Any right thinking Muslims that can read the history, the Hadiths and even the doctrines of Islam should immediately leave the religion.
It has nothing to do with a righteous God at all.

FxMasterz:
I think both entities are interchangeable.

MightySparrow:
Yes, that why he is called the prophet of the religion of piss.

Explore2xmore:
In any case show what you translate to confirm and what you translate to affirm in Q5:48

Explore2xmore:
Assuming you are totally speaking the truth put each word or phrase in this verse with the translation/translation of the meaning lets know if you didn't insert affirming what is between His hands or confirming what was before it as they both cannot be there at the same time.
Appreciate in advance

Explore2xmore:
A. I cannot be satisfied as you have put in other words.
وَأَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ مِنَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِ وَمُهَيۡمِنًا عَلَيۡهِ ۖ
And We sent down to you the Scripture with truth, confirming what was before him of the Scripture and establishing control over it.

B. فَٱحۡكُم بَيۡنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ
So judge between them according to what God has revealed.

C. وَلَا تَتَّبِعۡ أَهۡوَآءَهُمۡ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلۡنَا مِنكُمۡ شِرۡعَةً وَمِنۡهَاجًا
And do not follow their inclinations regarding the truth that has come to you. For each of you We have given you a law and a way of life.


Where do you have
confirming what was before it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it, affirming what is between His hands?
Or are these interchangeable translations of the meaning?
وَأَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ مِنَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِA وَمُهَيۡمِنًا عَلَيۡهِ ۖ
فَٱحۡكُم بَيۡنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ ۖ B
وَلَا تَتَّبِعۡ أَهۡوَآءَهُمۡ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلۡنَا مِنكُمۡ شِرۡعَةً وَمِنۡهَاجًا ۚ C
وَلَوۡ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمۡ أُمَّةً وَٰحِدَةً وَلَٰكِن لِّيَبۡلُوَكُمۡ فِي مَآ ءَاتَىٰكُمۡ ۖD فَٱسۡتَبِقُواْ ٱلۡخَيۡرَٰتِ ۚ E
إِلَى ٱللَّهِ مَرۡجِعُكُمۡ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمۡ فِيهِ تَخۡتَلِفُونَ F
D. If God had willed, He would have made you into a single nation, but that He might test you in what He has given you.

E.So they will stay ahead of the good ones.
F. To Allah is the return of all of you, and He will inform you of that concerning which you differed.

Show me affirming and confirming as distinctly written in the verse Q5:48

Explore2xmore:
A. I cannot be satisfied as you have put in other words.
وَأَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ مِنَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِ وَمُهَيۡمِنًا عَلَيۡهِ ۖ
And We sent down to you the Scripture with truth, confirming what was before him of the Scripture and establishing control over it.

B. فَٱحۡكُم بَيۡنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ
So judge between them according to what God has revealed.

C. وَلَا تَتَّبِعۡ أَهۡوَآءَهُمۡ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلۡنَا مِنكُمۡ شِرۡعَةً وَمِنۡهَاجًا
And do not follow their inclinations regarding the truth that has come to you. For each of you We have given you a law and a way of life.


Where do you have
confirming what was before it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it, affirming what is between His hands?
Or are these interchangeable translations of the meaning?
وَأَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ مِنَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِA وَمُهَيۡمِنًا عَلَيۡهِ ۖ
فَٱحۡكُم بَيۡنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ ۖ B
وَلَا تَتَّبِعۡ أَهۡوَآءَهُمۡ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلۡنَا مِنكُمۡ شِرۡعَةً وَمِنۡهَاجًا ۚ C
وَلَوۡ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمۡ أُمَّةً وَٰحِدَةً وَلَٰكِن لِّيَبۡلُوَكُمۡ فِي مَآ ءَاتَىٰكُمۡ ۖD فَٱسۡتَبِقُواْ ٱلۡخَيۡرَٰتِ ۚ E
إِلَى ٱللَّهِ مَرۡجِعُكُمۡ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمۡ فِيهِ تَخۡتَلِفُونَ F
D. If God had willed, He would have made you into a single nation, but that He might test you in what He has given you.

E.So they will stay ahead of the good ones.
F. To Allah is the return of all of you, and He will inform you of that concerning which you differed.

Show me affirming and confirming as distinctly written in the verse Q5:48

Explore2xmore:
An āyah (Arabic: آية, Arabic pronunciation: [ʔaː.ja]; plural: آيات ʾāyāt) is a "verse" in the Quran, one of the statements of varying length that make up the chapters (surah) of the Quran and are marked by a number.

Did parts of an ayah get revealed or ayat of a Quran Surah get revealed?

TenQ:
Surah= Chapter
Ayah= verses


Yes , Allah revealed the Qur'an in parts with Surahs in parts

Why is it that you can't Translate the phrase : مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ and then we see how it fits into Qur'an 3:3?

advocatejare:
Muhammad is whom Muslims and Allah worship and adore

SIRTee15:
I know Muhammed said Muslims should drink camel urine but to drink his own urine is another level.

FxMasterz:
His jinn had even accepted Islam. Hahaha. This Mohammed funny die. Lol.

prophetfire:
. Church hijacking marriage process because the Europeans that brought Christianity introduced their native marriage culture into the church and the entire church copy it without asking questions about the scriptural basis for such
God didn't send the church or the pastors to go and be conducting weddings and joining couples in marriage.
Jesus never did it. Apostles never did it. Ancient church fathers never did it. Old testament priests and prophets never did it. It's dumb Christianity of following without asking questions.
Copy copy anything white man does.

Explore2xmore:
مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا مَعَهُمْ ≠ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ

I gave you a verse with exactly that phrase and you cannot deliver.
Let us know where you got stuck.

The direct/exact words of Allah are in arabic and not the translations

Explore2xmore:
The expert

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

وَأَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ مِنَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبِ وَمُهَيۡمِنًا عَلَيۡهِ ۖ فَٱحۡكُم بَيۡنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعۡ أَهۡوَآءَهُمۡ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلۡنَا مِنكُمۡ شِرۡعَةً وَمِنۡهَاجًا ۚ وَلَوۡ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمۡ أُمَّةً وَٰحِدَةً وَلَٰكِن لِّيَبۡلُوَكُمۡ فِي مَآ ءَاتَىٰكُمۡ ۖ فَٱسۡتَبِقُواْ ٱلۡخَيۡرَٰتِ ۚ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ مَرۡجِعُكُمۡ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمۡ فِيهِ تَخۡتَلِفُونَ

It occurs here too. Fit in your translation!

Explore2xmore:
He has sent down upon you the Book with the truth, confirming what is BETWEEN ITS/HIS HANDS (musaddiqan lima bayna yadayhi), and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel before this, as guidance to the people, and He sent down the Salvation/Criterion (al-Furqan). As for those who disbelieve in God's signs, for them awaits a terrible chastisement; God is All-mighty, the Avenger.

He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel

He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

Which of these make the most sense expert Tenq?

Does the book have hands?

FxMasterz:
If truly Mohammed said this, then, this is probably the only truth he told his followers.

They should be aware that while Mohammed and all Muslims have jinns, Jesus Christ did not only cast out jinns, He has also commissioned His servants to cast out jinns in His name. And this we would do if only they would see their need for help.

bnovative:
The marriage acts of Nigeria support only 3 types of marriage:
1. Customary (traditional) marriage
2. Statutory (court) marriage
3. Sharia marriage.
It might interest you to know that most churches, especially the Pentecostal church are not licensed to conduct registry/statutory marriage and as such, marriages done in such centers are not recognised by law.
The question is: how many people know this?
You can do your research or ask a lawyer.
What some churches do is ask intended couples to go do statutory marriage first and then come back for church celebration.
Let me end by saying that there are some churches that are licensed to conduct marriage and the law recognizes such marriage.

Matrix137:
(1) Valid in what sense, to man or to God?

(2) It all boils down to preferences and family orientation and enlightenment.

(3) What if they don't do any of those, and just paid only dowry, is the marriage invalid in God's eye ( not society here)

(4) check no 3 my submission

Now to second paragraph

(1) dowry has to be paid for the marriage to be valid in God's eyes. Not wedding of any type

(2) Valid in God's eyes

FxMasterz:
Lol.

It's not them, a force of hell much mightier than they, is in control of their minds.

FxMasterz:
Oh, so he copied from a supposed ex pastor? Definitely, when the man was a pastor (if there's any truth in the claim), he never read his Bible, otherwise, he wouldn't be teaching antichristian such useless points that even Christian kids would regard as child plays.

lexy2014:
The question still persists. How did you come by these conclusions?

Where did you get the above from?

Where is theory written as the universally accepted way of determining anything in a wedding?

Matrix137:
According to the Bible, Bride price and agreement of parties involved is the final rite for any intending couple. Wedding (traditional or white) is just mere formalities even court wedding sef.

To start with, are you even a Christian?

lexy2014:
You are yet to answer my question. You claim that u asked a question.

In asking that question you say u asked, how did that question lead to the following conclusions?

Matrix137:
My point is that it's not compulsory. What matters most is the marriage itself and not the wedding.

Explore2xmore:
Did you not say?
Wrt to the emboldened why then do you ask questions regarding translations of me?