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This is surely another thoroughly embarrassing post to them all: Lukuluku69, AntiChristian, LegalWolf, Vanessa7 etc

This is certainly another Question to ask their Sheikhs, their mummies and daddies when they get home.

A lie is Bursted with Simple Questions :
If the Islamic Narrative of the Qur'an being written and distributed during the time of Uthman is True, how come not ONE copy of copies exist.

Mr LegalWolf,
What is it called when a part of a document is fraudulently DELETED so as to hide an evidence or more?


You should be smart enough to know the answer.


Only Fabrications need to be defended with lies.

MMempire:
OP, this table you are shaking so, Tinubu will increase petrol price again o.

The table was already broken and unstable sir.

The truth spoken only from their literatures

SWATMan:

I was bewildered too!

LOL!!


Questions:
1. Let's assume that Allah later abrogated this law: Why did Allah put in his Quran the verse of breastfeeding grown up adult males?
2. There are many verses that are abrogated in the Quran but is in the present Quran: why was the verse on breastfeeding an Adult ten times deleted from the Quran?
3. Since it wasn't Mohammed that deleted the verse of stoning and breastfeeding in RECITATION of the Quran, who deleted the verse from the Quran?

Is it true that one of the DELETED verse on breastfeeding adult men in the Qur'an is

Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients.


No wonder, the Qur'an of Abu Bakr and the Qur'an of Uthman disappeared and totally vanished only to be replaced with a Narration


EVIDENCE :

Sunan Abi Dawud 2061
A’ishah wife of the Prophet(ﷺ) and Umm Salamah said “Abu Hudaifah bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah bin ‘Abd Shams adopted Salim as his son and married him to his niece Hind, daughter of Al Walid bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah. He (Salim) was the freed slave of a woman from the Ansar (the Helpers) as the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) adopted Zaid as his son. In pre Islamic days when anyone adopted a man as his son, the people called him by his name and he was given a share from his inheritance. Allaah, the Exalted, revealed about this matter Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients. They were then called by their names of their fathers. A man, whose father was not known, remained under the protection of someone and considered brother in faith. Sahlah daughter of Suhail bin Amr Al Quraishi then came and said Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), we used to consider Salim(our) son. He dwelled with me and Abu Hudhaifah in the same house, and he saw me in the short clothes, but Allaah the Exalted, has revealed about them what you know, then what is your opinion about him? The Prophet (ﷺ) said give him your breast feed. She gave him five breast feeds. He then became like her foster son. Hence, A’ishah(may Allaah be pleased with her) used to ask the daughters of her sisters and the daughters of her brethren to give him breast feed five times, whom A’ishah wanted to see and who wanted to visit her. Though he might be of age; he then visited her. But Umm Salamah and all other wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) refused to allow anyone to visit them on the basis of such breast feeding unless one was given breast feed during infancy. They told A’ishah by Allaah we do not know whether that was a special concession granted by the Prophet (ﷺ) to Salim exclusive of the people.

Here above is a much detailed and clearer hadith that explains the command of breastfeeding.

Note the verse deleted from the Qur'an highlighted in YELLOW!


Is the Hadith above a Fabrication?

Please tell me that the Hadith above is untrustworthy!



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EVIDENCES

Who Deleted the verse of Adult Breastfeeding in the Quran?

Here you will see the reason why Muslims are reluctant to use the Quran of Mohammed or the Quran of Abu Bakr or the Quran of Uthman or their copies as the basis for the modern Quran: rather, they ignored all these to use a RECITATION of Hafs who lived 150 years after Mohammed and according to muslims a renown liar!

Note: All Quoted hadiths are Sahih (AUTHENTIC)

Facts:
1. The Almighty Allah revealed in the Quran verses where a Woman can Breastfeed a grown up man TEN and later FIVE times so that the man can become part of her family.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."

Allah himself revealed the verse of breastfeeding in the Original Quran

2. Breastfeeding an adult less than FIVE times does not prevent marriage between the adult man and the woman who breastfeeds the man.

Sunan Ibn Majah 1940: Book 9, Hadith 96
It was narrated that Umm Fadl said:
that the Messenger of Allah said: “Breastfeeding once or twice, or suckling once or twice, does not make (marriage) unlawful.”

Meaning that Vanessa7 can lawfully suckle her husband's friend as long as it is not up to 5 or 10 times

3. The Verses of TEN or FIVE Breastfeeding was FRAUDULENTLY reported to be later abrogated (as it was a shameful practice as Islam expanded outside Arabia) but it wasn't truly abrogated by Allah.
Sunan Ibn Majah 1942: Book 9, Hadith 98
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”

How do we know that the Verse wasn't Abrogated by Mohammed or Allah?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944: Book 9, Hadith 100
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

You will note that the Verses were NOT abrogated as at the time of the Death of Mohammed. The Question we want to ask Muslims is who abrogated this verse?

4. The Law of Breastfeeding Applies to Adult Males and not strictly Babies
Sunan Ibn Majah 1943: Book 9, Hadith 99
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Sahlah bint Suhail came to the Prophet and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, I see signs of displeasure on the face of Abu Hudhaifah when Salim enters upon me.” The Prophet said: “Breastfeed him.” She said: “How can I breastfeed him when he is a grown man? The Messenger of Allah smiled and said: “I know that he is a grown man.” So she did that, then she came to the Prophet and said: “I have never seen any signs of displeasure on the face of Abu Hudhayfah after that.” And he was present at (the battle of) Badr.

Who Deleted the verse of Adult Breastfeeding in the Quran?

Here you will see the reason why Muslims are reluctant to use the Quran of Mohammed or the Quran of Abu Bakr or the Quran of Uthman or their copies as the basis for the modern Quran: rather, they ignored all these to use a RECITATION of Hafs who lived 150 years after Mohammed and according to muslims a renown liar!

Note: All Quoted hadiths are Sahih (AUTHENTIC)

Facts:
1. The Almighty Allah revealed in the Quran verses where a Woman can Breastfeed a grown up man TEN and later FIVE times so that the man can become part of her family.
Allah himself revealed the verse of breastfeeding in the Original Quran

2. Breastfeeding an adult less than FIVE times does not prevent marriage between the adult man and the woman who breastfeeds the man.
Meaning that Vanessa7 can lawfully suckle her husband's friend as long as it is not up to 5 or 10 times

3. The Verses of TEN or FIVE Breastfeeding was FRAUDULENTLY reported to be later abrogated (as it was a shameful practice as Islam expanded outside Arabia) but it wasn't truly abrogated by Allah.

How do we know that the Verse wasn't Abrogated by Mohammed or Allah?
It is clear that the Verses were NOT abrogated as at the time of the Death of Mohammed. The Question we want to ask Muslims is who abrogated this verse?

4. The Law of Breastfeeding Applies to Adult Males and not strictly Babies


Questions:
1. Let's assume that Allah later abrogated this law: Why did Allah put in his Quran the verse of breastfeeding grown up adult males?
2. There are many verses that are abrogated in the Quran but is in the present Quran: why was the verse on breastfeeding an Adult ten times deleted from the Quran?
3. Since it wasn't Mohammed that deleted the verse of stoning and breastfeeding in RECITATION of the Quran, who deleted the verse from the Quran?

Evidences are attached in the next page if you doubt all these>


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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honesttalk21:
During the Riddah wars many of the Sahabah who had memorized the Quran were killed, and Abu Bakr was afraid that the Quran would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahabah about compiling the Quran in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thabit (may Allah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhari narrated in his Saheeh (4986)

Caliph Abu Bakr collected the Qur'an and wrote it in pamphlets and books in all its seven letters (the seven i.e. ways in which the Qur'an was revealed and which conform to the seven dialects of the Arabs at that time). The seven Ahrufs.

Uthman, the third caliph, recognized the potential for different dialects and variations in the Quranic recitations to create confusion.
To establish uniformity, he appointed a committee chaired by Zaid ibn Thabit to produce a standardized version of the Quran.

Uthman's recognition also followed from Hudhayfah's observations.
Ḥudhayfah was afraid of the differences in the recitation of the Qur’an, so he said to ʿUthmān, “O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book [Qur’an] as Jews and the Christians did before.” Bukhari 4988.

Mu’awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan, who was the governor of Syria during Uthman's caliphate. Mu'awiyah played a crucial role in the distribution of standardized copies of the Quran. He ensured that accurate copies of the Quran were sent to major cities and regions under his rule, thereby ensuring the spread of the authentic Islamic scripture.

Note that in both Abu Bakr and Uthman's compillation of the Quran, Zaid ibn Thabit chaired the Quran writing commitees.

At the back of a Warsh Quran you will likely find"the riwaya of Imam Warsh from Nafi' al-Madini from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn al-Qa'qa' from 'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas from Ubayy ibn Ka'b from the Messenger of Allah. This shows the line of transmission. Similarly for the Hafs Quran you find the "riwaya of Hafs ibn Sulayman ibn al-Mughira al-Asadi al-Kufi of the qira'a of 'Asim ibn Abi'n-Nujud al-Kufi from Abu 'Abdu'r-Rahman 'Abdullah ibn Habib as-Sulami from 'Uthman ibn 'Affan and 'Ali ibn Abi Talib and Zayd ibn Thabit and Ubayy ibn Ka'b from the Prophet".

In both cases you see clear transmission lines leading back to the Prophet with Ubayy ibn Ka'b being the first link to the one pbuh through which the Quran was revealed to man.

In Turkey at the Topkapı Palace and the Museum of Turkish-Islamic Arts in Istanbul, there are mushafs from Uthman and Ali's period. One of them was handwritten by Uthman, and the other two by Ali.

While the copy in Egypt was in the Mosque of Amr ibn al-Aas, it was presented to Ottoman Sultan Selim II and brought to Topkapı Palace after the conquest of Egypt.

Some claim that this is in fact the copy from Medina and that the last survivor of the Abbasid family took it with him while escaping to Egypt from the Mongol massacre. It is said that due to a blood-like stain on it, this is the mushaf that Uthman read while he was martyred.

Other mushafs belonging to the first period of Islam are displayed in Al-Hussein Mosque in Cairo, the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris, the British Library in London, Hast Imam Library in Tashkent and other museums.

A newly opened museum in Mecca also features verses of the Quran written on bones and stones. The verses written on rocks and stones in the seventh century in Arabia have also survived to the present day.

Where is the Qur'an of Abu Bakr in the chain?

Where is the Qur'an of Uthman in the chain?

Why use Narrations which has been proven to be full of errors (by Uthman) instead of the corrected standardised PRINTED Qur'an?

Is it True that Mohammed himself recommend FOUR of the best reciters of the Qur'an during his life time and only Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah was dead as of the time of the Third Khalif Uthman : it is strange that non of their Qur'an was used for the authorised version of Uthman
Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith Number: 215
The Prophet once said, "Learn the Qur'an from four: from Abdullah ibn Masud, Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Mu'adh ibn Jabal"


Can anyone explain why non of the recommended Quran reciters by Mohammed himself part of the Committee to write the Qur'an?



My good Friends on Nairaland:
LegalWolf, Vanessa7, AntiChristian, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, drlateef, Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq ,Gaskiyamagana , compton11 , MrCodeSolo , iamrealdeji , honesttalk21 ,

MightySparrow:
Why are our friends not responding? This is really a deadly blow.

Their pride is deflated!

Muslims may want to tell us in the court of law which is weightier as a source of evidence
1. Oral Traditions or
2. Written Evidences

Especially when it can be proved that written evidence existed.



Unfortunately, the answer is so clear and undebatable. Thus, they feign deaf and dumb!

MightySparrow:
Many of them know the truth but don't have the gut to come out for fear.
Have read about a lance corporal being locked up in guard room for converting to Christianity now trending?


Lielam called Islam.

A religion that behaves like a Gang of criminals seizing Government institutions to achieve their objectives of stealing, killing and destruction.

Why must people be forced into serving Allah? Only Muslims can answer the question.

Muslims may want to tell us in the court of law which is weightier as a source of evidence
1. Oral Traditions or
2. Written Evidences

Especially when it can be proved that written evidence existed.

What is islam trying to hide?
SMH!

honesttalk21:
Please how is what you've said here different from what i said before?

Are you saying what I wrote and what you wrote are the same or identical?

Do you say this despite differences in some words and writing style?

1. How could there be differences in writing style if
Abubakar wrote a single Complete Qur'an?

2.How could there be differences I writing style if
Uthman wrote at least Seven IDENTICAL Complete Qur'ans?



I assume that people should copy DIRECTLY from the Printed Arabic Quran!?
Shouldn't they?

MightySparrow:
Islam is a joke by master comedians: Allah and Mohammed. Director of film: Jubril.

If Islam was merely a joke, at least we can all relax at the end of the days job with it,

BUT
Islam in addition is by the most successful 419 in the word today.
Islam a religion that tricks people to Hell fire!
Islam a religion of Lies from the father of Lies as Jesus said!


I honestly pity them who are sincerely deceived. Unfortunately, the world was designed that deceivers will operate till judgement day unhindered.

honesttalk21:
.

gaskiyamagana:
Good work for the ignorant of Islam, carried out by Christian Center for Islamic Studies and made available in NairaLand land.

Will you agree with me that PRINTED COMPLETE Qur'an existed as of the Time of the First and Third Khalifa after Mohammed?

If they did?
Do you agree that All other Quran copies should be made from these copies of the Uthman Quran?
Where are their copies?

dre11:
https://dailytrust.com/subsidy-removal-fg-resisted-pressure-to-print-money-ngf/

I use 3 Full tanks of Petrol in my car per month on the Average (sometimes 4 full tanks).
My car has a 70 Liters tank.
Before I spend 70*N180 * 3 tanks per month = N37,800.00 per month
Now I spend 70*N615 * 3 tanks per month = N 129,150.00 per month

The increment in my monthly consumption now is = N91,350.00 per month

Government want to give me N10,000 per month, Hurray!
Government believe that I should be able to cough out the remaining N81,350.00 per month of fuel expenses per month.
Government forgot that the price of every other price of commodities went up because of the fuel price increase!

How do I balance my income and expenditure now?

PrincessDiana:
https://punchng.com/putin-promises-africa-free-grain-supply-to-tackle-food-insecurity/?dicbo=v2-NUwvRYx

What a destitute Africa has made herself: they are being promised free food!

A wise saying:
Nothing is free in this world!

MightySparrow:
Is Jeremiah 8:8 the reason for the loss of the Qurans in question?

Don't mind him:
I spent time with him walking him through Hebrew language and text to Understand Jer 8:8 unfortunately, he wasn't ready to even read. He just want to repeat the question as if he has found the bullet to the bible. He should refer to my thesis on Jer 8:8 if he cares.

MightySparrow:
Is that your final answer?

Don't mind him!
He has no response except quote the falsified standard islamic narrative about the Quran.
Small questioning, the fraud is made apparent as a complete baseless Fabrication and Conjecture!

LOL!

Questions:
1. If Recitations of the Qur'an could not be trusted during the lifetime of Khalif Uthman, why do you think that the Recitation of Hafs (who was born 150 years after the death of Mohammed) be trusted?

2. Where are the copies of the Qur'an sent to Mecca, Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad so that we can compare it with the Hafs Qur'an.?

3. If the Isnad of the Qur'an is broken, how can the whole Qur'an not be Daif at best?

4. Why should anyone trust the Recitation of Hafs since he ans his father are known as fraudulent according to Muslim sources?


How can Recitation be greater in status than the Written Quran?

honesttalk21:
During the Riddah wars many of the Sahabah who had memorized the Quran were killed, and Abu Bakr was afraid that the Quran would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahabah about compiling the Quran in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thabit (may Allah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhari narrated in his Saheeh (4986)

Caliph Abu Bakr collected the Qur'an and wrote it in pamphlets and books in all its seven letters (the seven i.e. ways in which the Qur'an was revealed and which conform to the seven dialects of the Arabs at that time). The seven Ahrufs.

Uthman, the third caliph, recognized the potential for different dialects and variations in the Quranic recitations to create confusion.
To establish uniformity, he appointed a committee chaired by Zaid ibn Thabit to produce a standardized version of the Quran.

Uthman's recognition also followed from Hudhayfah's observations.
Ḥudhayfah was afraid of the differences in the recitation of the Qur’an, so he said to ʿUthmān, “O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book [Qur’an] as Jews and the Christians did before.” Bukhari 4988.

Mu’awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan, who was the governor of Syria during Uthman's caliphate. Mu'awiyah played a crucial role in the distribution of standardized copies of the Quran. He ensured that accurate copies of the Quran were sent to major cities and regions under his rule, thereby ensuring the spread of the authentic Islamic scripture.

Note that in both Abu Bakr and Uthman's compillation of the Quran, Zaid ibn Thabit chaired the Quran writing commitees.

At the back of a Warsh Quran you will likely find"the riwaya of Imam Warsh from Nafi' al-Madini from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn al-Qa'qa' from 'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas from Ubayy ibn Ka'b from the Messenger of Allah. This shows the line of transmission. Similarly for the Hafs Quran you find the "riwaya of Hafs ibn Sulayman ibn al-Mughira al-Asadi al-Kufi of the qira'a of 'Asim ibn Abi'n-Nujud al-Kufi from Abu 'Abdu'r-Rahman 'Abdullah ibn Habib as-Sulami from 'Uthman ibn 'Affan and 'Ali ibn Abi Talib and Zayd ibn Thabit and Ubayy ibn Ka'b from the Prophet".

In both cases you see clear transmission lines leading back to the Prophet with Ubayy ibn Ka'b being the first link to the one pbuh through which the Quran was revealed to man.

In Turkey at the Topkapı Palace and the Museum of Turkish-Islamic Arts in Istanbul, there are mushafs from Uthman and Ali's period. One of them was handwritten by Uthman, and the other two by Ali.

While the copy in Egypt was in the Mosque of Amr ibn al-Aas, it was presented to Ottoman Sultan Selim II and brought to Topkapı Palace after the conquest of Egypt.

Some claim that this is in fact the copy from Medina and that the last survivor of the Abbasid family took it with him while escaping to Egypt from the Mongol massacre. It is said that due to a blood-like stain on it, this is the mushaf that Uthman read while he was martyred.

Other mushafs belonging to the first period of Islam are displayed in Al-Hussein Mosque in Cairo, the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris, the British Library in London, Hast Imam Library in Tashkent and other museums.

A newly opened museum in Mecca also features verses of the Quran written on bones and stones. The verses written on rocks and stones in the seventh century in Arabia have also survived to the present day.

Please how is what you've said here different from what i said before?

TenQ:
Many Muslims are not aware that there are up to 32 Arabic Qur'an of which the Hafs Qur'an and the Warsh Qur'an are the most popular. A vast majority of the Islamic world uses the Hafs Qur'an (including Muslims in Nigeria).

However, the point of emphasis today is not about the various Arabic Quran's in circulation (thanks to Hatun Tash who exposed this). Today, we want to ask just one basic simple Question.
"Where is the Quran of Mohammed?"

Facts:
1. The Oral and Partially written Qur'an:
The Qur'an was in was at least partially in written form before the death of Mohammed. A tame sheep was said to eat up a chapter during Mohammed's funeral
2. The first complete Qur'an :
Abu Bakr (the first Khalif) appointed a committee led by Zaid ibn Thabit, who was known for his expertise in writing and memorizing the Qur'an, to collect and compile all the scattered written fragments and the memorized portions of the Qur'an.
3. The second complete Quran:
Somehow the Qur'an of Abu Bakr was unavailable and people were reciting the Qur'an with variations, distortions and errors and these were put in written form. The third Khalifa Uthman thus appointed a committee led by Zaid ibn Thabit (the same person who led the compilation efforts during the time of Abu Bakr) to create an official written copy of the Qur'an. The committee's task was to produce multiple copies of the Qur'an. Every variant Qur'an was BURNT to remove the evidence.

4. At least SEVEN authorised version of the standardised Qur'an of Uthman was distributed to lands far and near to Mecca
Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad

Note:
1. You will agree with me that we have established the existence of PRINTED Qur'an as of the Time of the First and Third Khalifa after Mohammed
2. Mohammed himself recommend FOUR of the best reciters of the Qur'an during his life time and only Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah was dead as of the time of the Third Khalif Uthman : it is strange that non of their Qur'an was used for the authorised version of Uthman.
Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith Number: 215
The Prophet once said, "Learn the Qur'an from four: from Abdullah ibn Masud, Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Mu'adh ibn Jabal"



ENTER MODERN QUR'AN
Any reasonable person will expect that the modern Arabic Qur'an we use today would be from copies from either one of the Qur'an from Mecca, Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad

Unfortunately, this is not. The version in popular use today is according to the RECITATION of Hafs (not even according to the written text of Hafs).

Introducing Hafs:
1. Hafs ibn Sulayman al-Kufi, the transmitter of the Qur'an was Born almost 150 years after the death of Mohammed. He never met ANY of the companions not knew any of the Khalifs of Islam.
2. Hafs and his father are known by Muslims as great liars who fabricate Hadiths. Even though he narrated hadiths, they were all deemed to be fabrications.
Ibn Hijr, Tahtheeb-Al-Tahtheeb, Volume 2, p. 245
“Ibn Adi’ said: most of his (Hafs’) hadiths, and those he narrated about, are not kept…”

Al-Albani, Irwaa-Al-Ghaleel, Volume 1, p. 260
“Abu Omar (said): this is Hafs Ibn Sulayman the Qari (Quran reader or narrator) from Kufa, and his hadiths are to be abandoned. And Uman Abu Hafs followed him, who is also (known as) Ibn Hafs A—Abdi, and he is like him in weakness, or weaker. Revised by Tabarani in A-Khabeer (1/49/3), and Qawl Al-Haythami (333/1) in his Isnad- and they are trustworthy men. But he (Hafs) was cavalier in the matter, so should not be looked at(meaning acknowledged).”


3. The introductory page or "page A" of the Arabic Qur'an just before the first chapter (Al-Fathia" include what is known by Muslims as Isnad (chains of narration) of the Qur'an. Any chain that leaves out the Qur'an of Abu Bakr or the Qur'an of Uthman is broken in transmission and cannot be trusted.


Questions:
1. If Recitations of the Qur'an could not be trusted during the lifetime of Khalif Uthman, why do you think that the Recitation of Hafs (who was born 150 years after the death of Mohammed) be trusted?
2. Where are the copies of the Qur'an sent to Mecca, Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad so that we can compare it with the Hafs Qur'an.?
3. If the Isnad of the Qur'an is broken, how can the whole Qur'an not be Daif at best?
4. Why should anyone trust the Recitation of Hafs since he ans his father are known as fraudulent according to Muslim sources?




Note:
If you are interested in reading about the differences between the Hafs and Warsh Qur'ans you may read the writeup in the link below
https://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

Attached is the Isnad of both the Warsh and Hafs Qur'an


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
Cc:
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My Question are still very VALID sir:
1. Mohammed recieved the Quran in seven Arabic Dialects (if we assume partial writing), where is the COPY of it?

2. Abu Bakr wrote the first COMPLETE Quran: where is the COPY of the Quran of Abubakr?

3. Uthman rewrote the second COMPLETE Quran and transmitted at least seven copies of them through Arabia, where is ANY of the COPY of the Quran of Uthman?

4. Why is the Hafs Quran from RECITATION (that could not be trusted to be accurate during the time of the Sahaba) rather than the several copies of Quran in PRINT : what happend to those Quran?

5. Why take Quran NOT from Abdullah ibn Masud, Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Mu'adh ibn Jabal BUT from Zaid ibn Thabit while NONE of these four were part of the committee?

6. Why accept the narration (not the print) from a known Liar (Hafs ibn Sulayman al-Kufi)?

Weirdlycute:
Islam in itself seems to be contradictory to itself... The facts have been dropped,how can you not seem to defend the Religion you carry on your head...I'm quite curious

Ive been asking the same questions now and they keep mum as if deaf and dumb.

1. Is it UNTRUE that we have established the existence of PRINTED Qur'an as of the Time of the First and Third Khalifa after Mohammed?
2. Is it UNTRUE that Mohammed himself recommend FOUR of the best reciters of the Qur'an during his life time and only Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah was dead as of the time of the Third Khalif Uthman?
3. Is it NOT strange that none of the Four Recommend Reciters Qur'an was used for the authorised version of Uthman's Qur'an?


A. What are Islamic Clerics hiding from the Original and Printed Arabic Qur'an that they were abandoned for a Recitation (not writing of Hafs a man attested to be a liar)?

B. Where is the Qur'an of Mohammed?




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A. What are Islamic Clerics hiding from the Original and Printed Arabic Qur'an that they were abandoned for a Recitation (not writing of Hafs a man attested to be a liar)?

B. Where is the Qur'an of Mohammed?

anonymous1759:
I get your points regarding the ASUU as long as people are still the ones to vote don’t expect too much . Nothing that cannot be manipulated in Nigeria because of the corrupt system .
On the proceeds from the government definitely the masses will be short changed because of corruption that’s why I prefer for minimum wage to be increased like # 200-250k

that’s the only way some people will feel a sense of belonging. Security is another issue that’ll bring back prosperity if it’s settled. The only solution in Nigeria is constitutional Review to address the NASS plus abuse of office punishment maybe Death penalty will do the country some good . We can’t expect total change from this constitution regardless of who is president.

I understand ASUU because years ago, I was a member. The more reason its difficult to bribe their excos: ASUU members can be very stubborn on errands made on their behalf.

What do we need in Nigeria: its simple
Economy:
1. Creation of millions of Jobs in relation to Production of items for internal consumption and export
2. Adopting an Import Substitution Economy
3. Forbid export of Raw materials in whatever form (except crude oil)
4. Creation of hundreds of low-cost homegrown Modular Refineries
5. Focus on Science and Technology as the key driver of the Economy with aim for global export within the next 20 years
On the Governance Side"
1. Going back to regional Governments independent in everything except Foreign affairs and the Military. Each region contribute to a weak center
2. Security powered by Technology
3. De-tribalisation of the Next generation of Nigerians
4. Accountability through total separation of Powers of the Judiciary and execution of Justice
5. Empowering citizens to be able to sue the Government to court and get justice

This is just a few as per what i think is good for Nigeria

JagabanBorgu:
Compare house rent in the USA to that in Nigeria, compare the various taxes u pay to that in Nigeria, compare medical bills, compare tuition fees for children too.
When u compare like that, you won't be screaming anyhow.
There are many many ways to demand improvement from the government not being hypôcrîtical

You don't get it.
What Nigerians are saying is that government should give them US, UK and Europe treatment and standard
AND
They would gladly pay US, UK and Europe prices for them.

Tell me, how many Public servant can purchase a Brand new Toyota Corolla Car (even from Loan)?

The Standard of living had been made so low by the same governments in power: Buhari couldn't purchase a form of N20 Million during his first term AND by his second term someone stole almost a Billion Naira from Aisha Buhari. Is that not witchcraft?

anonymous1759:
All civil societies can be bribed including ASUU that’s where the Nigerian factor comes in. Majority of us are corrupt that’s why every sector is rotten even in religious houses.
We always blame the government but we’re part of it by extension I just want to positive because it’s the same energy of being negative which gives no gain too let’s see if the next one year the economy will bounce back. Corruption can’t be taken down all at once only administrative policies can can reduce it EG fuel subsidy .removing it is better than fighting them .

No sir...It is virtually impossible to bribe ASUU. This is why the FG have problems with them.

The ASUU National Excos do not have powers to do anything on their behalf without the votes of the Chapters
The Chapter Excos (Each University) do no have powers to do anything on their behalf without the Congress
The Congress (individual ASUU members) hold the Ace with ASUU final decisions

Except it is possible to bribe every member of Staff of the University: here lies the power of ASUU (nothing more) and Government hate this!


It is complete untruth to say we are ALL part of Government!
Actually, the Government is JUST ONE PERSON: the President!

He is the Only One who can say "My Government..!"
The rest of us are drones who experiences effects as a result of the kind of President on the Throne.

I think Nigerians have the right to complain if things are not going well, don't you think so?
No amount of positivity or positive confession will work when Nigerians are being punished every time for the mismanagement of our Economy.

Like I said:
I have not one single problem with removal of the so-called subsidy on Petrol.
I have not one single problem with removal of the Dual exchange rates.
These two policies will give the Government tremendous financial resources which can either be squandered, stolen or used to build the prosperity of the citizenry. I am sorry to say that the probability of doing the last is very low as of today.

I have problems with when the number ONE duty of Governance is IGNORED: which is "Total PROSPERITY of the citizenry"
I have problems with doing things the USUAL way and expecting a MIRACLE to solve our Economic and Financial Prosperity Problem

anonymous1759:
I get your point I never exonerated the government bad leadership killed Nigeria gradually And discovering oil was a major cause that rendered other sectors redundant which created jobs and made the Naira stronger . After the military did their Abracadabra OBJ had the opportunity to turn things around as the new Face of Democracy but he ushered the country into another round of corruption.

His selfish third term Agenda made those men in Agbada in NASS started collecting Jumbo pay which is bitting on Nigeria’s economy. Who’s going to reduce the salaries of the NASS ? The president cannot try it or he’ll face impeachment and some people will support his impeachment because of hatred even if he’s doing it for the masses .

Truth to be told FG cannot sustain subsidies on everything but if we’ve had a good government infrastructure that’ll create employment would’ve been in place that’ll create employment and give the average citizens purchasing power to pay for almost everything or sustainable loans that’ll be available.

Nigeria couldn’t keep on borrowing to pay NASS, Subsides In education , power , and transport. The only way people will have a sense of belonging is when the minimum wage is increased to an extent and security guaranteed that’ll enhance agriculture and make things affordable. The civil society should protest NASS jumbo pay instead of fighting for subsidy removal.

I perfectly understand and support this writeup of yours.

My only issue is two
1. I don't trust the Nigerian Governments to be intested in doing ALL the necessary to restore the Economy of Nigerians. They prefer to throw money at problems
2. The civil society by their structures can easily be bribed by politicians (except ASUU and NMA) therefore expect nothing. With a misrily #200million few excos can withstand the power of money

Note:
If you are interested in reading about the differences between the Hafs and Warsh Qur'ans you may read the writeup in the link below

https://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

anonymous1759:
With subsidy on education removed lecturers will barely go on strike . How can a student pays less than $65 per session and expect lectures to earn $7k-9k like their foreign colleagues?
Nigeria Government is bad no doubt but we the citizens don’t appreciate anything especially subsidy for fuel , education and health .
With division of ASUU it’ll be hard for any politician or political party to buy the whole lecture unlike when they’re all in one Umbrella.

My problem is that we ALWAYS excuse the failure of the Governments who mismanaged our economy that from the creatioypf the Naira till date we have had N0. 70 to $1.00 in the 1970s to N850.00 to $1.00 in 2023.

We never see it as failure of Governance and we are quick to point fingers to the workers whose salaries are being devalued by the day


Do you think it makes sense to pay a professor of a Nigerian University less than $500 per month?

Is the Income of your senators at par with income of Senators in America or Canada?

The structure of ASUU and NMA does not allow it to be financially compromised. Why?
The excos CANNOT take decision on behalf of the chapters
Each chapter must vote on any decision to be taken, the results collated and counted. The excos just follow what the Congress has decided. This is why it is impossible to bribe the ASUU excos.

I don't have any problem against removal of the non existent Subsidy. I have problem with people who don't understand the economy thinking that adjustment of monetary and feascal policies are enough to revive our economy. We are repeating the same mistake over and over again.

This policy at best will provide plenty of loose cash for government to spend and nothing more

FreeStuffsNG:
In a matter of time, the FDI inflow will pick up too. Those unpatriotic elements who are hoarding USD will eventually get burnt and will still be prosecuted.
Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu is the best! God bless Nigeria for ever!

Unfortunately sir,
This is not how Economy of Nations work.

Everything reduce to VALUE ADDITION and PRODUCTIVITY of the Local Economy!

It is not about FDI or Foreign Investment. The above is the secret and painfully, Nigeria has failed in this area and government want to do every thing except the mentioned

Poisonousman:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/24/vladimir-putin-signs-law-banning-gender-changes-in-russia

Even though I do not like nor support Putin's war in Ukraine, this is a beautiful move by Putin as this demonic madness must stop

anonymous1759:
ASUU became political last year with NLCThat’s the consequences of meddling with politics.

NLC is not a political party.
ASUU had always fought it's own battles without recourse to NLC because NLC is easily bought.

A professor earns approximately $500 per month and they are expected to produce the same output as a professor in Europe or America earning between $7000 - $9000 per month. Should they keep quiet about this?
Research equipment is a drop in a bucket in Nigeria compared to where the state of the art equipment for research are: and you say it is good that ASUU is clamped down?


Now that ASSU is broken, what Advantages is that to the Lecturers, the students and the Nation?

ANTIlSLAM:
Muhammad was a criminal

Mohammed is the most successful 419 in history : his scam is still working 1300 years after his death.

Islam is a political system to enrich and empower a few at the expense of the poor and Ignorant.

This is why asking questions is forbidden : lest the eyes be opened and control become impossible

The Questions:
1. If Recitations of the Qur'an could not be trusted during the lifetime of Khalif Uthman, why do you think that the Recitation of Hafs (who was born 150 years after the death of Mohammed) be trusted?

2. Where are the copies of the Qur'an sent to Mecca, Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad so that we can compare it with the Hafs Qur'an.?

3. Explain why If the Isnad of the Qur'an is broken, how can the whole Qur'an not be Daif at best?

4. Why should anyone trust the Recitation of Hafs since he and his father are known as fraudulent according to Muslim sources?