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vdestro:
Ah, offer dey o
Before this heavenly orgy, first on earth, they offer riches, connection and promotion as you see that even some ibo men decided to try that business.

The more reason why Islam cannot be separated from politics and governance.
This is where the power and wealth through corruption is used to fund the warriors of Islam and Allah.

Those at the top know that Islam is a means to an end. This is why Islam and poverty of the masses are synonymous. There must always exist foot soldiers to do the dirty work of stealing, killing and destruction in the name of Allah and his Messenger

vdestro:
The big problem is most people whether rich or poor love Satan.

Unfortunately they don't know that satan works covertly.

To kill a rat by poison, you have to do it by convincing the rat that you love it. You then look for something deliciously tempting to them and you sprinkle a TINY dose of poison.

And the work is done. So is islam.
A religion of Deceit and Deception designed to send billions to hell

FxMasterz:
The sexual escapafes of the Islamic prophet was so terrifying that even antichristian and truthday and their co Islamic slaves would never send their wives to deliver a message to Mohammed unaccompanied. Before you know it, antichristian and truthday would become wifeless just like Mohammed's adopted son whose wife he snatched.

I don't want eternal erection o. I have more important and glorious things to do with my life.

No Muslim that loves his beautiful wife can allow Mohammed visit his home for dinner.
We all know that Mohammed cannot be trusted with any woman. Allah even gave him permission for that.

Although maybe some Muslim men like Lukuluku69 or LegalWolf or AntiChristian do not mind sharing their wives with Mohammed as an act of ibadah!
They can even do a party to make it interesting! LOL!!

FxMasterz:
Islam has nothing to offer anyone. How can anyone go and be preaching s god that offers sex and Iranian pilows as rewards. So, Allah couldn't even find anything better than Persian robes and Iranian pillows for his slaves? You mean the moment I start wearing Persian robes and putting my head on Iranian pillows, I'm already tasting a bit of Heaven? Lol. Antichristian and truthday, see your life.

I wonder what anyone would need wealth for in heaven. It seems their heaven is full of struggles just like earth.

It just shows that Islam is about violent imaginations of a few started by Mohammed a d completed by his companions.

A religion whose purpose is to provide an replacement for Christ Jesus the Messiah.

The Spirit of Islam is deceitful indeed and until Majority of Muslims dies before they know that they have been 419'd into accepting a lie as truth.

Muslims are hoping that God will look at their zeal for worshiping him (even though in ignorance) and allow them in paradise.

Unfortunately, only satan desires and craves to be worshipped not Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

preciousee17:
Please call their names

I am actually doing Dawa for Allah, his beloved messanger Mohammed and Islam.

Hoping that you will all leave the Messiah who gives eternal life with God for Mohammed and his Allah because of this juicy offer.

Aren't you tempted yet?

ANTIlSLAM:
Muhammad and his god allah are only fooling their followers

Satan knows what will easily fool the poor.
That is why only children of the poor blow themselves up for the sake of women of paradise.


In all these, I pity Muslim women.
It seems that they are just for the side bench. Just to look.

Imagine having to compete with specially created women designed by Allah for sex only.
By Allah, no human women can cope with them

Skankamola:
You sure you dont want eternal erection
Whatelse do one expect from inside the head of a man who has the energy to sleep with all his 9 or 11 wives in one night? Besides his numerous sex slaves?1

The serpent seems to be the calm and fine one when you dont know better.

He must have a serious case of Premature ejaculation or on horse steroids.

But Allah Sublime knows that that is why Zainab a married woman was forcefully taken by Allah for Mohammed even though Zaid was his adopted son.

Allah loves Mohammed too much: Mohammed's desire is his command.

Actually, Allah and Mohammed are Pseudo names!

Maynman:
I’m talking history and common sense language here, both you and Muslims are worshipping Abrahamaic gods.

When your jesus was alive, what did he call “god” in Aramaic?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elahi

If you are a Arab christian you will call “god”, Allah.

Jesus said:
My Deity, my Deity, why have you forsaken me?
Elohim, Eloha, Allah are all semitic language all meaning the same thing Deity/God/gods.

Muslims disagree :
they claim that Allah is the personal name of their Elohim (God).


If you like, cry more than the bereaved:
I don't care!
BUT
Please only after you have educated yourself about Islam, you can come back here. Otherwise, consider yourself ignored!

Maynman:
Allah and Elohim means same thing.
The name of the allah/elohim of Muslims is hubal, just as the name of the christians allah/elohim is yahweh.

Before making any other post, have knowledge on this topic, and don’t be assuming please.

Ask the Muslims!

Can you cry more than the bereaved!?

The Muslims disagree with you.

Christians have no problem with Allah meaning Elohim meaning Deity aka God/gods!

Resolve your differences with the Muslims please. Allah to the Muslims is the personal NAME of their God!
QED!

Cybertroll:


Honestly, assuming we were to make contact with aliens, would that mean there's no God? Or would nothing change for you?

Aren't Angels extraterrestrials!?
And there are other beings who are not angels!

Aliens exist: only that we may not have met them

Maynman:
Allah and Elohim means same thing.

Allah is the NAME of the Elohim (Deity/God) of the Muslims.

Before making any other post confirm that Allah is the personal name of the God of the Muslims.

[quote author=Skankamola post=124829883][/quote]We Muslims are looking forward to this o. Just imagine having a perpetual erection and 70 virgins struggling to have their fill of you.

This must be worth exploding one self for.

I hope Allah will also reset the virginity of our wives else, they will loose out completely to the big breasted Houris

MrSinister:
^^^^

Abeg make we heard word 🙄🙄🙄

These promises are juicy walahi! It was enough to motivate them to rampage across the Arabian desert and spread Islam to the whole world. And it still works even to this day

How beautiful can a white transparent woman be?

Only the ABDULs can explain o.

But there is plenty Booze too!
And a virtual 3D brothel where one can pick any normal woman or even men if you are into the despicable.

This is the problem when a great imagination meet religion : anything can happen

vdestro:
Only one person and his name is SATAN!

Of course you are correct :
Only satan would tempt humans with sex, Booze and wealth.

Unfortunately, the prince of this world has blinded their eyes to see that like a rat, they have already swallowed the bait and the poison has started working

vdestro:
Only one person and his name is SATAN!

Of course you are correct :
Only satan would tempt humans with sex, Booze and wealth.

Unfortunately, the prince of this world has blinded their eyes to see that like a rat, they have already swallowed the bait and the poison has started working

FxMasterz:
What's tempting here? What exactly is in sex and orgies to have them as ultimate rewards for serving a god? One must be morally bankrupt and intellectually deficient to see sex as an ultimate goal. Can't antichristian, truthday and their co slaves see the deception and falsehood in this? Why is it that some people find it difficult to smell deceit?

Heaven is a glorious place, not a place of orgies. There's no darkness there. A place full of bliss where sorrow and pain are none existent. Those who serve God would be crowned to reign with Christ forever. There, God would execute His original intentions for man in His new creation, when He brings to an end a world full of sins and sorrows and death. Man failed God and allowed Satan to make the earth what is it today. Jesus, representing man has corrected man's errors. Those who believe in Christ follow in the lineage of a new creation who'll become the recipients of God's new program for mankind.

There'll be a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. God shall walk in the midst of His people as He did in Eden. Sexual orgies and all mundane desires of the flesh shall perish with the flesh. Other things much more sublime, pleasurable and holistic would be the focus of anyone who would be accounted worthy to inherit that world.

Anyone telling you that sex would be commonplace in heaven is a scammer.

This mundane offer of Allah has no appeal to me. I'm absolutely uninterested. I'm not an animal. I'm a redeemed soul.

To the people of this world and the earthly minded,
What can be more tempting to a man like
1. Wealth for Easy life
2. Women and Endless sex
3. Alcohol

You can see how the ugly transparent oddities were presented to Muslims as the pinnacle of Beauty.

Just imagine:
A Muslim come to your house to preach about Allah and his Messenger

You Ask a Question:
What happens if I become a Muslims?

With his eyes Lit Up-> His Response:
Allah will give you at least 70 Big Breasted Voluptuous Perpetual Virgins and you will also have an endless Erection to go with it
AND
You will be given some Persian Robes and you will lie on Green Carpets with Iranian Pillows, drinking 100% Sweet Alcohol But you will never get Drunk!


No wonder, they don't go preaching islam door to door!

[quote author=IslamVIRGINS post=115347706][/quote]He is supposed to be the Replacement for Jesus Christ: an Anti-Christ.

Every attribute of Christ is given to him.

He even claims to admit people in Paradise.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2408 : Book 36, Hadith 106
Sahl bin Sa'd narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
"Whoever guarantees for me what is between his jaws and what is between his legs, I shall guarantee Paradise for him."

I havent called any names today o!

Just indicate if you are interested!

..

Please who else is Tempted

1. Allah guarantees Men to be rewarded with Big Breasted Virgins in Paradise

Quran 44:51-57
Lo! those who kept their duty will be in a place secured. Amid gardens and watersprings, Attired in silk and silk embroidery, facing one another. Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes. They call therein for every fruit in safety. They taste not death therein, save the first death. And He hath saved them from the doom of hell, A bounty from thy Lord. That is the supreme triumph.

Qur'an 56:35-36
[For the Companions of the Right Hand] We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled)

Qur'an 78:31-33
Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;

Tafsir Ibn Kathir Quran 78:31-33
(Kawa`ib) "This means round breasts. They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age. This means that they will only have one age. The explanation of this has already been mentioned in Surat Al-Waqi`ah. Concerning Allah's statement,

2. Prophet Mohammed Explains it:

Sahih Bukhari Hadith 4879 :Book 65, Volume 6, Book 60, Hadith 402
Narrated `Abdullah bin Qais:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them. And there are two gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of silver; and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of so-and-so (i.e. gold) and nothing will prevent the people staying in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face."

3. At-Tirmidhi describes it further

Jami` At-Tirmidhi Volume 4, Book 36, Hadith 2537
Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
"The first batch to enter Paradise will appear like the moon of a night that it is full, they do not spit, nor do their noses run, nor do they defecate. Their vessels are of gold, their combs are of silver and gold, their perfume is of Aluwwah, and their sweat is musk. Each one of them has two wives, so beautiful that the marrow of their shins can be seen through the flesh. There is no differing among them nor mutual hatred, and their hearts are like the heart of one man, and they glorify Allah morning and evening."

A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings.

4. No need for Viagra or Burantashi as you are covered

Sunan Ibn Majah 4337: Book 37, Hadith 238
It was narrated from Abu Umamah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“There is no one whom Allah will admit to Paradise but Allah will marry him to seventy-two wives, two from houris and seventy from his inheritance from the people of Hell, all of whom will have desirable front passages and he will have a male member that never becomes flaccid (i.e., soft and limp).’”

Jami` at-Tirmidhi Volume 4, Book 36, Hadith 2536
Anas narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said:
"The believer shall be given in paradise such and such strength in intercourse." it was said: "O Messenger of Allah! And will he able to do that?" He said: "He will be given the strength of a hundred."


Please Note that ALL these references are from the Muslim's Religious Books


Questions:
I would have loved to ask you Questions but I wouldn't today.

However, can you ponder on this: who Tempts people with such kind of temptations?

honesttalk21:
The hafs quran and Usman's mushaf are identical. The Qur’an we have today show differences in spelling primarily due to orthography of the alphabets.
Notice how words such as على are spelled as علا . These differences are found all over the almost complete Qur'an manuscript. Do they show alteration? Obviously not.

Various harfs of Quran don’t show that they have been tampered with. This is the claim by people who haven't even seen them or have no knowledge of Islam and Arabic whatsoever.
The differences if any are in the way words are spelled. Arabic letters have undergone some changes over the years and vowels too have been introduced to ease pronunciation amongst non arabs.

There seems to be a grave misunderstanding of what Uthman (RA) did. He did not revise a copy and burn all the old copies. That would have been ridiculous and would have sparked a civil war in the Ummah against Uthman (RA).

The Sahaba at the time of Uthman were warriors and they were religious. They would not have tolerated Uthman (RA) changing or editing the word of Allah. In fact, the rebellious people that murdered Uthman themselves (even though they lied about almost every other thing) never used the compilation of the Quran as a point of contention!

One qira'a that has reached overwhelming popularity is the Hafs ‘an ‘Asim

Orientalist A.J. Arberry states -- "the Koran as printed in the twentieth century is identical with the Koran as authorized by ‘Uthmän more than 1300 years ago.

Most of the differences between the various readings involve consonant/diacritical marks (I‘jām) and marks (Ḥarakāt) indicating other vocalizations -- short vowels, nunization, glottal stops, long consonants. Differences in the rasm or "skeleton" of the writing are more scarce, since canonical readings were required to comply with at least one of the regional Uthmanic copies (which had a small number of differences).

A great submission from you that all other copies of the Quran were burnt so the questions arise:

1. If all the versions were burnt where are the variations you mention coming from?

2. Do you not see and appreciate the remarkable retention of the Quran by heart and transmission to later generation to this day?

3. Present your text of various Quran for comparison.

You sent me into a reel of laughter!

If you dont have copies of the Quran of Abu Bakr or the copies of the Quran of Uthman, what is the proof that a RECITATION of Hafs is the EXACT copy of these Qurans?
This is mere wishful thinking!

Why would the Muslims decide to CHOOSE a RECITATION rather than the Written Quran to produce a Standardised Modern Quran?

Please don't forget that the Reason Uthman standardised the Quran was that the RECITATIONS were getting Distorted from the Original Quran as revealed to Mohammed. Uthman then got knowledgeable people who were COMPANIONS of the prophet to write the PERFECT andUNIFORM Quran.

Now, you Muslims IGNORE this Uthmanic copy to adopt the RECITATION of a certain Hafs (whoes hadiths cannot even be trusted as you accused Ibn Ishaq) for your modern Quran. It is difficult to see the logic o!
Very difficult!

Note:
Most of those whose Quran were burnt by Uthman were even the companions of the prophet Mohammed because discrepancies were coming into their MEMORIES: But modern Muslims think that the memory of hafs born 150 years AFTER the death of Mohammed is ACCURATE!?
How!?

honesttalk21:

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7237647914011659566

Beautiful: A 315 year-old copy of the Quran in London!
And the Al-Fathia is the perfect proof that the Quran is identical with the modern Quran: Just as from the Al-Fathia, we can prove that the Warsh Quran and the Hafs Quran are PERFECTLY identical.



Was this Quran also based on the Recitation of Hafs?
AND
Is it easy to Read?

honesttalk21:
Sanaa palimpsest or Sanaa Quran is one of the oldest Quranic manuscripts in existence.

Is it different from the Birmingham transcript for the exact verses therein?

B.
Among the reasons given for the overwhelming popularity of Hafs an Asim is that it is easy to recite and that God has chosen it to be widespread (Qatari Ministry of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs).

Ingrid Mattson credits mass-produced printing press mushaf with increasing the availability of the written Quran, but also with making one version widespread (not specifically Hafs 'an 'Asim) at the expense of diversity of qira'at.

Gabriel Said Reynolds emphasizes that the goal of the Egyptian government in publishing the edition was not to delegitimize the other qira’at, but to eliminate variations found in Qur’anic texts used in state schools, and to do this they chose to preserve one of the fourteen qira’at “readings”, namely that of Hafs

Hafs Quran is easy to recite!:

Look at your argument!
Uthman had standardised the WRITTEN Quran: We expect the Quran of hafs to be an EXACT copy!
How then is hafs Quran easier to recite?

Did Hafs delete the complex parts of the Uthmanic Quran!?
How can we prove that the Quran of Abu Bakr and the Quran of Uthman were difficult to recite!

Explore2xmore:
In pre-Islamic Arabia, a variety of different marriage practices existed. The most common and recognized types of marriage at this time consisted of: marriage by agreement, marriage by capture, marriage by mahr, marriage by inheritance and Mutah or temporary marriage.

Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3979; Muslim, 1407)

Al-Rabi’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani narrated that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.” (Narrated by Muslim, 1406)

The prophet met the pagan practice and in time on Allah's command abolished it.

You see other hadith here and understand that with varying hadith words of reporting in hadith confusion can easily arise.
Following the Quran is better and once you are in doubt about an issue it is better left so as not to fall into wrong doing.

1. The Prophet of Islam Mohammed allowed Mutah, then forbade it, then allowed it again then forbade it then Allowed it again. So it depends on which of the abolishment you speak about.

Sunan Ibn Majah 1963: Book 9, Hadith 119
It was narrated that Ibn 'Umar said:
"When 'Umar bin Khattab was appointed caliph, he addressed the people and said: 'The Messenger of Allah permitted temporary marriage for us three times, then he forbade it. By Allah, If I hear of any married person entering a temporary marriage, I will stone him to death, unless he can bring me four witnesses who will testify that the Messenger of Allah, allowed it after he forbade it'."

2. The practice of Mutah was on DURING the time of Mohammed and up to Abu Bakr then up to Umar who finally banned it

Sahih Muslim 1405c: Book 16, Hadith 18
Ibn Uraij reported:
'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Prophet and during the time of Abu Bakr and 'Umar.


Sahih Muslim 1405d: Book 16, Hadith 19
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:
We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger and durning the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.

3. Mutah or Temporary Marriage was supported by Allah himself in Quran 5:87

Mishkat al-Masabih 3157: Book 13, Hadith 77
Ibn Mas'ud said :
When we were on an expedition along with God’s Messenger and had no women with us we asked whether we should not have ourselves castrated, but he forbade us to do that. Then he granted us licence to contract temporary marriages, and one would marry a woman giving a garment as dower up to a fixed date. Then ‘Abdallah recited, “You who believe, do not make unlawful the good things which God has made lawful for you” (Al-Qur’an 5:87).


Sahih al-Bukhari 5075: Book 67, Hadith 13
Narrated 'Abdullah:
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Messenger and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: -- 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)

Explore2xmore:
Ibn Ishaq was the son of Yasar’s third son Ishaq, who was a transmitter of akhbar (news) and also used to collect and recount tales of the past.

Ibn Ishaq started collection of tales like his transmitter father and came into collection of Hadith.

However, Ibn Ishaq was ordered to get out of Medina for relating a false Hadith from a woman, Faṭima bint al-Mundhir, wife of Hisham ibn Urwa.

Hence, the false Hadith transmitter Ibn Ishaq left Medina and settled in Baghdad, where he found employment with Abbasids, who were establishing their new Capital in Baghdad having overthrown the Umayyad Caliphate. (“Ibn Isḥaḳ - Encyclopedia of Islam” and “The Making of the Last Prophet”- University of South Carolina).

Under Abbasid’s hands Ibn Ishaq wrote the earliest biography of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) namely “Sirat ar Rasul Allah” in which he brought doubts in the verses of the Quran, pressed lies on Allah, and accused Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of fabricating Allah’s words.

The false Hadith transmitter Ibn Ishaq transmitted “Qissa Gharaniq” (the story of intermediary cranes) with reference to the verses of Surah Al Najam Chapter 53 of the Quran, in which he accused Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of not distinguishing the verses of Allah and the verses of Satan and that the Prophet (pbuh) purposely fabricated Allah’s words to compromise with Arab pagans on the matter of intercession (Persian Shafaat “شفاعت”) through their deities Lat, Manat and Uzzah.

Will Ibn Ishaq be the only false hadith transmitter?

I refer you to the Quran then you decide to quote from places that are not secure from manipulation.

What of if I quote you a Tafsir by no other than Al-Jalalyn?

At least this is not hadith: and Imam Al-Jalalyn is not a novice in Islamic doctrines.


Al-Jalalayn Quran 22:52-53
And We did not send before you any messenger (rasūl) — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet (nabī) — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited [the scripture] Satan cast into his recitation, what is not from the Qur’ān, but which those to whom he [the prophet] had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet (s) had, during an assembly of the [men of] Quraysh, after reciting the [following verses from] sūrat al-Najm, Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt, the third one? [53:19-20] added, as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his [the Prophet’s] being aware of it, [the following words]: ‘those are the high-flying cranes (al-gharānīq al-‘ulā) and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’, and so they [the men of Quraysh] were thereby delighted. Gabriel, however, later informed him [the Prophet] of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was [subsequently] comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured [of God’s pleasure]: thereat God abrogates, nullifies, whatever Satan had cast, then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower, of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned, Wise, in His enabling him [Satan] to do such things, for He does whatever He will.

That He may make what Satan has cast a trial, a test, for those in whose hearts is a sickness, dissension and hypocrisy, and those whose hearts are hardened, namely, the idolaters, [hardened] against acceptance of the truth. For truly the evildoers, the disbelievers, are [steeped] in extreme defiance, [in] a protracted feud with the Prophet (s) and the believers, for his tongue uttered mention of their gods in a way that pleased them, and yet this was later nullified.



Is Al-Jalalayn also a liar?
Do you modern Muslims know Islam better than him?

Explore2xmore:
I marvel at your continuing display of idiocy.

According to Islamic tradition Ibn Ishaq's biography from the early Abbasid period was the most renowned and highly documented, but no copies exist. Half a century later, Ibn Hisham rewrote the alleged biography of Ibn Ishaq as narrated to him by Ziyād al-Baqqāʾi.

You see Ibn Hisham rewriting based on the tale told by the liar Ibn Ishaq?

Well I understand you attachment to false tales.

Read an understand what is hadith, seerah and Tafsir. Discern how to find truth.

Your friend has reinformed you of breastfeeding before the age of 2.5 years. Here the infant gets fed to his full. Can a grown man be fed to his full on breast milk of 1 woman in a session of breastfeeding?

Ibn Hisham and Ibn Ishaq are Muslims who died as Muslims: why would they write damaging lies about their prophet?
Do you have evidence that Ibn Ishaq lied with respect to the "satanic verses" other than an insinuation that it isnt possible?
Don't forget that Mohammed kissed a pagan stone (and no muslim can defend why he kissed the black stones that the idolaters worshipped): the satanic verses happened?


If your argument is that no copies of the work of ibn Ishaq exist, where then is the copy of the Quran of Abui bakr or the Quran of Uthman?
Can the Quran of Hafs using the same argument be invalidated?

Can I help you with what At Tabari also wrote in his book?


At Tabari
...
The Messenger of God was eager for the welfare of his people and wished to effect a reconciliation with them in whatever ways he could. It is said that he wanted to find a way to do this, and what happened was as follows.
Ibn Humayd—Salamah--Muhammad b. Ishaq—Yazid b. Ziyad al-Madani—Muhammad b. Kali al-Qurazi: When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed:
By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is
he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire ...
and when he came to the words:

Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?
Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words:

These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval.
When Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion, or mistake. When he came to the prostration, having completed the surah, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise, following their Prophet, trusting in the message which he had brought and following his example. Those polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the Mosque likewise prostrated themselves because of the reference [1193] to their gods which they had heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself. The one exception was al-Walid b. al-Mughirah, who was a very old man and could not prostrate himself; but he took a handful of soil from the valley in his hand and bowed over that. Then they all dispersed from the mosque. The Quraysh left delighted by the mention of their gods which they had heard, saying, "Muhammad has mentioned our gods in the most favorable way possible, stating in his recitation that they are the high-flying cranes and that their intercession is received with approval."
The news of this prostration reached those of the Messenger of God's Companions who were in Abyssinia and people said, "The Quraysh have accepted Islam." Some rose up to return, while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done?....


It seem that you modern Muslims are more knowledgeable than the esteemed Imam At-Tabari who doesnt know his left from his right to include such in his book!

What do you say?

Sorry for the late reply, I was placed on Ban by the Nairaland Bots!

satmaniac:
I was not laughing at you but at the way this people can not defend the fairy tales they chose to believe in.
As for whether that verse is talking about breast feeding, you know you are being mischievous. That verse is simply telling us that our adopted children are not our biological son. Just like your wife will never be your mother just because you say so. Read from verse 4 to get the context.

My argument is that the verse on Breastfeeding was DELETED from the Quran and not on the meaning of the remaining verses

I showed you several evidences that the verses used to be RECITED up to the time of the death of Mohammed.
Suddenly check throughout the whole Quran, we cannot find it again.

What Happened?
Deleted by people who took offence of it.

All the Hadiths below show that Allah revealed the verse of Breastfeeding Adult men in the Qur'an


Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942: Book 9, Hadith 98
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”



Sunan Ibn Majah 1944: Book 9, Hadith 100
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”



Are you now convinced or the hadiths are all FABRICATIONS!?

satmaniac:
My question to you is where in the Quran does it says a woman can let a fully grown male adult suck her breast, so that he can be considered her foster son?
If the hadith claim goat or sheep ate the verse, the Hadith also claimed that these companions are memorizers of the Quran, did the sheep ate up the one in their memory too? Besides it was claimed that as soon as the prophet received revelation he will utter it and his scribes(not one ooo) will write it down. So if that is the case each verse of the Quran has more than one copies. So if the goat or whatever ate one, another copy of same verse should be available right? So we should still find it in the Quran right? Unless you are suggesting after the goat ate that copy and discovered how sweet it is and decided to visit the remaining copies of that breast feeding verse? Imagine a goat looking for Mushaf of the Quran at that time selecting which one is talking about breast feeding or stoning to death and adulterers or not, ignoring those that are not talking about breast feeding etal. and eating up the one that do(You can see, I read Hadith to amuse myself).
So, you see the more you looked at the stories as presented in the Hadith, you will know it has nothing to do with Muhammad neither his followers at that time.

The Hadiths above showed that
1. The verse of Breastfeeding was Revealed by Allah
2. The verse used to be recited up to the time of the death of Mohammed
3. There was no evidence to show that the verse was completely abrogated: what was abrogated was a reduction from ten times breastfeeding to five time breastfeeding

If you can provide the Quran of Abu Bakr or the Quran of Uthman, we may find it

The hadiths were recorded by Muslims for Muslims. Why would they tell damaging lies about their esteemed prophet.

By the way, all the three hadiths I presented are Sahih

Only Aisha spoke about her own written verse that was eaten by a ame sheep. The verse as you can see were memorised and recited.

Explore2xmore:
I may answer you when you get back to this forum on what you learn about hadith and seerah.

Authentication and reasons for variation.

You trouble makers hang on hadith because unlike the bible which has numerous authors the Quran just has one who only rendered it but is not the originator. This leaves no room for manipulations of he said, she said which you easily get in your reliance on hadith.

Rabble rouser

Can you get me a soft copy of Tareekh Al- Kabeer in Arabic or English?

I will appreciate

Explore2xmore:
Metaphors in the Bible

Jesus said, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35). This confused some people. “The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?


Isaiah 64:8: “But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.” We are not literally clay, but God molds us in certain ways.

Ezekiel 34:15–16: “I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down, declares the Lord God. I will seek the lost, and I will bring back the strayed, and I will bind up the injured, and I will strengthen the weak, and the fat and the strong I will destroy. I will feed them in justice.

(How many humans take kindly to being likened to sheep)

Stop being obnoxiously critical

Just note how each verse is consistent: objects are either real or figurative.
Not in the case of your verse where everything are physical objects except the mountain.

By the way: If you say the mountain mean cloud,
Are hails cut from the clouds?

Wilgrea7:
I never claimed to demolish ALL your arguments. I only pointed out reasons why these specific ones don't work as proof of a god.



I also never claimed the uncaused first cause is a figment of our imagination. I also clarified that the uncaused first cause would not necessarily be classified as what people refer to as a god.

All these were stated in my posts.

I present you no defence as you have concluded on my position "as terrible arguments"

Now, since you hold a counter position, I want to learn from your wisdom. At least you must have your own iron clad reasons for your position which I assume would be "excellent arguments"

I am all ears to listen and learn from you sir

Hello Sir
@ Explore2xmore
@gaskiyamagana

I received a ban from the Nairaland bots (on the Religion section) while replying to your mail. I will complete it God willing when released.

I appreciate your knowledge.

Have a beautiful day sirs?