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Maximus692:
I asked you a simple question:

What is the will (prospect) God has in plan for mankind?

All what you can say is self claims but i have explained what God's will means in that post.

Christianity is all about doing God's will and nothing more that's why Jesus emphasized on doing the will of God! Matthew 7:21

There's nothing wrong with Islam if i'm to place you on the same scale with Muslims each of them believe in the indoctrination of those who taught them just like you the only difference is your own teachers LIED that God's Holy Spirit is teaching them so you too are making the same claim.

You're just a self righteous religionist that's all. Isaiah 64:6

The assignment Jesus gave his disciples is to participate in doing God's will which is to form one big and happy family of peach loving worshipers globally. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

That's what Jesus promised Peter and the others when they asked him:
“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27
The reason they asked this question is because his teachings has broken families {Matthew 10:34-36} and almost all his disciples have been stigmatized in the first Jewish community for following him {John 9:22} so they need to know what will be there for them!
Jesus told them that they will surely have everlasting life but first the sign that will assure them they're on track is that through the assignment he gave them they will gain multiple folds of whatever they've lost for being his disciples! Mark 10:30
This is practical because through preaching and teaching all those accepting the faith will have the same line of thought with them {John 17:22} so they will become like one flock under one shepherd {John 10:16} hence everyone will know that they're truly disciples of Jesus of Nazareth! John 13:34-35

Today i have families in the faith both in Russia and Ukraine yes people are killing people and members of so many religions are involved in this killings but i can confidently, boastfully and proudly say before anyone that members of the house of faith in Christ Jesus aren't involved in this worldly affairs! John 15:19

WHY?

Because Jesus our Master, Lord and King has commanded and we have been taught by those taking the lead among us {Matthew 28:20} that we must love our enemies even though they hate us {Matthew 5:43-48} love our neighbors as ourselves {Mark 12:31} and be prepared to die for our fellow believers if the need arises! John 13:34-35

Can you also claim the same thing?
NO! Because you can't predict what those you call your brethren both in Russia and Ukraine can do in the face of politics!

Well that's what it means to be a true disciple of Jesus Christ who is doing God's will!

I didn't ask you to write an epistle.

Follow Christ alone: His will for you is simple:
Live in Love for God and for your neighbour
Live in Purity
Live in Trust and Obedience to Him
Live in Service to Him

If you will, replace Christ with your old men at your headquarters, they will save you and give you your reward in paradise.

triplechoice:
No need for this kind of talk. Nobody knows it all. We can learn from each other as we continue to discuss the topic.

Since you created the thread, I advise you accommodate anything anyone has to contribute in order to keep the conversation going peacefully without quarrell.

You jumped in to pass judgement without following what had transpired between us.

Thank you.

What led toe telling him to move on ?

TenQ:
It is not just about the word EMERGES but UNDERSTANDING how it is used and why it was used. This negates everything you've been saying. Anyone with a little understanding of surface tension sees how problematic your understanding is.


It's not a crime to misunderstand science. Even me have to keep quiet when experts in certain fields of science are speaking.

I am not happy because what would have been an interesting conversation has been digressed into what is not necessary.


The Question of pounder is:
1. Is the Mind Real or it's just chemicals acting on biological matter?
2. If the Mind is real can it be measured?
3. If the mind is just chemicals acting on matter, then it may not be real. It is just a symptom of chemicals acting on biological matter.

Check the highlighted in yellow and blue!
Don't be quick to judge others!

Maximus692:
It's obvious you're for Christ as you're always here talking about one religion that has nothing to do with Jesus when you're supposed to be preaching about God's kingdom!

Boo hoo!
1. And I can see you as a former Muslim unfortunately not even making the slightest attempt to lead Muslims to Jesus. If you have, let's see just one thread from you Hypocrite!

https://www.nairaland.com/7530442/gospel-explained-muslims
2. I am sure you don't know that:
Preaching to unbelievers is best done with a combination of practical Christian livestyle and explaining the gospel of salvation on One-on-One and Face to Face bases.

3. You have no idea of what goes on behind the scenes of Nairaland especially with Christians who have questions or need help and encouragement in passing through though times.

4. Of course, you don't have an idea of what goes on in my personal life in making of Disciples for Christ Jesus alone.

Continue your self delusion!


Oh, I forgot!
For you, it's not about Christ Jesus, it's all about making gullible proselytes of the old men in your headquarters.
It is painful to you that I can't submit to them when my Lord and Saviour is Christ Jesus! Sorry!!

A true Disciple of Christ lives like Christ in Love, Purity, Obedience and Service to Him and not to men.


For your information, my objective for most of my threads involving Muslims is
1. Education of Christians and Muslims
2. Exposure of Falsehood in Islam
3. Forcing Muslims to ASK necessary Questions about Islamic doctrines
4. Correction of errors of Islamic teachings about Christ Jesus, Christians and Salvation


Just as you Maximus have swallowed JW doctrines line hook and sinker without THINKING, Muslims have swallowed the doctrines of Mohammed line hook and sinker without THINKING . There is no difference.

Maximus692:
At least you have this as testimony that it's all about what Jesus Christ taught.
It's obvious you're scared of knowing the truth that will expose your ignorance that's why you keep proving arrogant to irritate me.

I am scared of any self appointed people standing as vicar or replacement of Jesus Christ in my life. May I never substitute the place of Christ for any man or any organisation.

Please, I am not stopping you o , you may do as you wish with men as with Christ!


In Christ alone I stand!

Giftedhands45:
I have to join this forum to post this tonight.

I'm in my early thirties, my husband is just two years older than me. My husband has always been neglecting his responsibilities even before we got married, but I was seeing it as he doesn't have a better job and a struggling guy whom we can both join hands together to build each other. I endured everything with him. I have always supported and provided without complain.
Since last year my husband lost his job, since then, he has refused to look for any other source of income. Even when he had a job, he always have one story or the other to tell about his monthly salaries. So, he still doesn't provide.
Once, there's nothing in the house, he will keep watching because I can't watch my two children Starve. I will try everything, even call friends, families and borrow. He doesn't care how I borrowed and how I paid.


Now, he wakes up every morning and still go back to sleep. Whatever I asked him, he don't always have. He's response always is ''I don't have money ''
I am the only one sourcing out everything in this house, I don't have a job as well, just struggling up and down with a business I do.

There's no food, school fees, bill, everything, he will ignore. I can't watch my children suffer. So, I keep struggling without any help. But he eats food and uses everything in the house with us. He wouldn't provide, but he can use them once they're available.
Our house rent will soon expire and he has no plan towards That. The previous one I paid, but presently, my business is down

Lately, I've been thinking. I've never cheated since I entered this marriage, but If I keep struggling all myself like this, my children will suffer. I feel, I need someone who loves me and willing to support me as well.
My children are too used to their father, it borders me if I separate them from him.

Leaving a marriage because he's not taking responsibilities, does that make me a bad woman?

What could make a man to be very comfortable not providing for his family but wouldn't want to loss the said family?

Have you ever been in my shoes, what would you advise me?

So, you think breaking your marriage will solve your Problem!

It won't.

1. Except you don't mind sleeping around, few men will want you and your children. The outside is not truly green
2. Put on your harness, work double time for the sake of your children. Even if you separate from him, you will pay rent
3. You knew him before you got married, he hasn't changed, it was you who changed.
4. Marriage is for better for worse. If there is no case of abuse or sexual infidelity, please carry your cross.
5. Let him follow you to your business, learn the trade and open two shops.


I don't know if you are a Christian or not. Marriage vows are to be taken seriously even though God is merciful

LordReed:
LMAO! Here we go again with the rigmarole. Not going to engage in that with you. You brought Chatgpt and gave you a Chatgpt explanation clearly showing how wetness is an emergent property but you can argue with yourself if you wish, certainly not with me.

Move on bro!
Your understanding of "Emergent" was wrong even with your ChatGPT poster. I spelt it out for you.

Move on: it cost you nothing to do so!

triplechoice:
Before you start blaming anyone, first of all ,explain clearly how mind has emerged from the brain, and the other body parts you mentioned.


The claim that mind is an emergent property of brain function is based on Sperry's concept of mind.

It doesn't find full scientific support yet. It's speculatory theory at this point in time, and nothing more.

But you keep repeating it everywhere as fact, or something that has been conclusively proven to be true.

There is no general consensus in the sciences on how mind has emerged. Nobody knows or can explain it in the sciences

It seems the Mind (ability to store and process information) depends on feeling such as hunger, thirst, heat, fear , lust etc

These are feelings that are not registered in our biological frame (our body).

This gives the impression that we have two bodies
1. The Physical Body:
Where we experience pain, tickle, brightness/sight, coldness, loudness etc
2. Non physical Body,:
Where we experience fear, joy, sadness, lust, despair, courage. etc

Of course, there can be overlap between the senses.

What is common to both is that they are not functions of thought, thinking or rationalising

They may have to do with our previous experiences sometimes: eg. Some certain PHOBIAS may be developed as a result of past experiences with snakes, dogs, darkness, water etc.


I think it is mundane to assume that the mind is just a function of chemicals reacting with cranial matters.

A001:
I regard mind as an emergent property, too, but not from the workings of the brain and other parts of the body. Such a notion is superficial and will always be problematic; historically, it has done little to resolve the mind-body problem.

It's better to regard mind as an emergent property of fundamental consciousness as explained in the Four-Layer Architecture or FLA model proposed by the same scientist I mentioned earlier, which postulates four architectural layers of consciousness (see attached pictures).

Without incorporating consciousness into our models of Physics, Chalmers' hard problems of consciousness will never be solved, and we'll never be able to understand mind deeply and measure it.

Many scientists (myself inclusive) are working on incorporating consciousness into our models of Physics, especially the Standard Model. It's the way forward.

Check out some relevant papers and books on the current scientific progress on consciousness research:
1. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karl-Sipfle/publication/364708467_Consciousness_the_Full_Stack_Four-Layer_ArchitectureLanguage_on_Mind_on_STFC_Part_1_of_4_An_SSRN_Top_Ten_download/links/6357dc5796e83c26eb527c05/Consciousness-the-Full-Stack-Four-Layer-ArchitectureLanguage-on-Mind-on-STFC-Part-1-of-4-An-SSRN-Top-Ten-download.pdf
2. https://osf.io/6b3qw/download
3. https://icmacyfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Consciousness_and_the_Universe__Quantum_Ph_-_Roger_Penrose.pdf

I may share links to my own papers too later.

Speaking about Mind and Consciousness, do you think it would be possible to simulate consciousness and the mind without giving the computer the power of Irritability?

Example:
If I cannot have Experiences (feelings) of events near me, how can I choose what experiences I like and the one I don't like?

If I cannot choose logically between good and bad EXPERIENCES, how can I make choices for the preferred experience?


A human being many times chooses to eat Bitter Kola instead of Sweets which go against normal logic. This is what make us conscious mindful Beings! This choice is not random. A human being sometimes make sacrifices over no apparent personal gain.

LordReed:
Count how many times I bolded the word EMERGES in my previous posts. I did that because that is the operative word and idea I am passing across.

It is not just about the word EMERGES but UNDERSTANDING how it is used and why it was used. This negates everything you've been saying. Anyone with a little understanding of surface tension sees how problematic your understanding is.
1.

LordReed:
No, I am saying mind is an emergent property.

Which doesn't make sense

2.

LordReed:
The wetness of water is an emergent property. Meaning wetness doesn't exist by itself, how can water be wet since wetness cannot be quantified, how can it be said to exist?

The problem is that you don't understand the concept of Wetness

3.

LordReed:
The wetness of water is an emergent property because H2O molecules themselves are not wet in fact you need at least 6 molecules of water before that property of wetness becomes apparent. So, get it straight, wetness EMERGES when molecules of water are acting in concert with one another, wetness does not exist in the molecules of water.

There is no property of water that is an emergent property especially Wetness

4.

TenQ:
Dictionary definition
Wetness:
consisting of, containing, covered with, or soaked with liquid (such as water)

Wetness is an adjective to describe a state when an OBJECT is coated with water.

It is nonsensical to say wet water except if you can have dry water.
Why?
In a general definition of wetness Water is the "only" liquid that makes an object WET!

Is there any situation when a pool of water is wet? No!

Here I give you some definitions for the sake of comprehension .


It's not a crime to misunderstand science. Even me have to keep quiet when experts in certain fields of science are speaking.

I am not happy because what would have been an interesting conversation has been digressed into what is not necessary.







The Question of pounder is:
1. Is the Mind Real or it's just chemicals acting on biological matter?
2. If the Mind is real can it be measured?
3. If the mind is just chemicals acting on matter, then it may not be real. It is just a symptom of chemicals acting on biological matter.

TenQ:
What makes me special!?

1. I was Redeemed and Bought with a costly price therefore I glorify God in my body as one who serves God
1Cor 6:20: "For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
1Cor 7:23: "You are bought with a price; be not you the servants of men."

2. I obey ONLY the One (Christ) who bought me with His Blood by Obeying His commandments of Love, Purity and Service to God and do not replace Him with ANY persons, groups or organisations
Rom 6:16: "Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"


3. My name is written in the Book of life by Greece through my faith in Christ.
Phil 4:3: "And I entreat you also, true yoke fellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life."
1Jn 5:20: "And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

4. I have the Seal of the Father, the Holy Spirit.
2Cor 1:22: "Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."
Eph 1:13: "In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"


Calling Jesus Lord means nothing except Jesus Himself know you treat him as LORD and not an organisation or yourself or anything else.
If Jesus is your LORD, you will follow Him by living your life according to His commandments in LOVE, PURITY and SERVICE to Him.

Maximus692:
Please i don't want to upset you further, claims totally differs from doing God's will, i already gave you expo from Jesus' comments but it's like you're not feeling comfortable with the whole thing that's why i stepped back to allow you.
My question is do you truly truly sincerely want to know what God's will is?
I won't just make claims but you and i will find out the answer from God's word as we both dig deeper into the scriptures.
I want to assure you that no matter the religion on this planet no single member can do God's will except only Jesus' disciples that's why the scriptures said all the inhabitants of this planet will perish except those believing in Jesus of Nazareth! John 3:16
Do you want us to do this together?
It's not what i can do alone but both of us will have to find out the answer as a pair of Bible scholars so don't think i'm here to rubbish you, NO i love to be your friend because i can see the zeal in you except a trait that's not fine but that we will keep aside for now!

Since to you obedience to Christ Jesus in Love, Purity and Service to Him is unimportant, you can as well Love, Obey and Serve your self appointed old men at your headquarters.

What do you have to teach,?
NOTHING but to be a companion of yours in serving your old men and their organisation.

Sorry, count me out!
Jesus is ENOUGH for me as my life is sworn and totally given to Him alone in Love, Purity, Obedience and Service to Him.

Any system that replaces Christ is the AntiChrist!

LordReed:
LMAO Chatgpt is wrong because it contradicts what you believe? Bwahahahahahaha!

No sir.

You were the one who did NOT comprehend what ChatGPT was saying.

According to your ChatGPT attachment, Wetness was defined in terms of ability to
1. Ability of a substance to adhere to another surface and create a film on it
2. Polar water molecules forming hydrogen bond on the surface in question
3. This property is NOT intrinsic to the water molecules itself, but rather emerges from the interaction between water molecules and other molecules in the environment


Please read the last sentence of your ChatGPT attachment and dispute about it as usual.

You should laugh at yourself

LordReed:
That is telling you that wetness EMERGES from interaction. It is not a property of water molecules themselves.

Added a chatgpt result for your consideration.

Of course water wets Objects: probably you don't understand what ChatGPT was saying.

You were of the opinion that

"So, get it straight, wetness EMERGES when molecules of water are acting in concert with one another, wetness does not exist in the molecules of water."

This is very wrong

Water wets Objects!

There is no dry water!

Maximus692:
Jesus said:

‭‭“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

At a point in his lifetime he prayed saying:


“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:42‬

Seems Jesus is ever ready to bury his own will so that his father's will takes place.

So all i asked you is "What is God's will?"

But if you feel you've known what i have in mind it's OK let's leave it at that!

I have told you what God's will is. Till tomorrow, you've not said what was wrong with the answers I gave you.


And I asked you the same question which of course you and you Said: "I don't claim anything .."

If you can't claim ANYTHING how then can I come to YOU to learn.

[quote author=LordReed post=123611154][/quote]I'm not sure where you got this

Maximus692:
It's OK since you haven't seen any reason to learn from me please don't be upset continue with what you're doing!

You haven't displayed any iota of knowledge for me to subscribe to you as Rabbi.

What if I told you to come and learn from me, what would be your response?
Wouldn't you ask if there is ANYTHING you don't know that I have as knowledge?

It's the more reason you cannot answer my questions.



Have you shown yourself not to be a false teacher

2Pet 2:1:
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction."

Just like Muslims, you want me to accept you and your doctrines without asking questions.

Does this make sense?

Shantyken:
It should be a two way thing irrespective of religion because to me i think on the last day be ye Christians, Muslims, Jewish etc if u are not doing the will of God we all will be judge accordingly.

No sir!

You should either answer this question as
1. A practicing Muslim
2. A Practicing Christian
3. A loose Religious Cannon (either Christian or Muslim but who doesn't care about practicing his faith)

Maximus692:
Islam is about the five pillars and none says a Muslim shouldn't believe in other prophets. It's different scholars and clerics claiming Muslims that determine what majority among Muslims does not what each individual choose to do after studying the Quran personally.
So just as you too may decide what you want to believe apart from the various institutions claiming churches with their pastors a Muslim can also choose to be independent of group setting and conclude based on his personal conviction regarding Jesus of Nazareth.
My guy don't run to conclusions that all professed Muslims have the same line of thought regarding faith in Jesus of Nazareth it's only those following group settings under some fanatic clerics. Just as members of some groups despises others in Christendom!

In other words you are exactly like the Muslims

Maximus692:
Ọmọ i just told you what Jesus said:

It's not about claims saying you're this or you're that {Luke 18:11} rather it's all about doing God's will! Matthew 7:21
So i asked you again: What is God's will?
Remember Jesus emphasized on this than any other thing you can think of, in fact he gave up his own opinion and desires just to do God's will {Luke 22:42} so my friend:
What is God's will?

Why reject my claims of what Jesus said to me as one of His followers?

Maximus692:
Guy as long as you're not humble to learn i will leave you to continue deceiving yourself after all i've made it clear to any sincere and honest hearted follower of this thread that you're just playing around if you don't know the will of God!

But if you care to know try and rephrase your question i'm willing to guide you on how to know and do God's will!

You should be humble enough to learn from the Muslims, so that you can be as brainwashed as they are in kissing the black stone and bowing to the cube at Mecca!
Just be humble enough and you'll see that you'll become the best Muslim around you: you might even convert your wife to Islam.
If you were humble enough, you would have listened to Joseph Smith's doctrine and learn from Him.
I am sure you don't even know why you are not being humble enough to learn about OOO and the Brotherhood of the cross and Star.

I challenge you to your Face:
State the Will of God I have misquoted or missed here in this post if you are NOT a LIAR!
Your only problem with me is that I am NOT following your JW leadership.

Unfortunately for you,
I follow no man not group: Jesus is my Guide, my Saviour and Lead!



I am not surprised you cannot answer these Questions

Mr Maximus, I ask you exactly this same questions
1. What is the EVIDENCE that you are not one of the workers of Iniquity?
2. What is the will of God that really matters
3. What makes you different from a Muslim?
Let me see if it's all about Jesus or about a cult of a group!

LordReed:
The wetness of water is an emergent property because H2O molecules themselves are not wet in fact you need at least 6 molecules of water before that property of wetness becomes apparent. So, get it straight, wetness EMERGES when molecules of water are acting in concert with one another, wetness does not exist in the molecules of water.

Dictionary definition
Wetness:
consisting of, containing, covered with, or soaked with liquid (such as water)

Wetness is an adjective to describe a state when an OBJECT is coated with water.

It is nonsensical to say wet water except if you can have dry water.
Why?
In a general definition of wetness Water is the "only" liquid that makes an object WET!

Is there any situation when a pool of water is wet? No!

LordReed:
The wetness of water is an emergent property. Meaning wetness doesn't exist by itself, how can water be wet since wetness cannot be quantified, how can it be said to exist?

Your example is NOT good at all.
Why?

Water is the substance that can make other things wet, but it is not typically considered wet on its own. Instead, we usually describe water as a liquid or as being capable of wetting other substances.

When water clings to an object, the object is said to be WET. That is, the property of water sticking to an object is what is called wetness of the object

LordReed:
What is cryptic about what I clearly already stated:

Emergent means coming out of
Property means attribute, quality of something

Meaning that the Mind doesn't exist by itself. But if it cannot be quantified, how can it be said to exist?

Mass, Gravitational force, Magnetic fields etc are all measurable physical properties. Can the Mind be measured?

Maximus692:
My guy you don't know anything about Muslims what you're here doing is picking at straws because i was once a Muslim and i've met Muslims who also lay exactly the same claims you're making.
Believe in Jesus, name written in book of life, obeying Jesus' command, having the seal of God and so on just as you're claiming because they have read both the Bible and Quran, they want to belong to both sides, whatever is good that's found in the Bible and the Quran they will claim!
So it's not about claim but knowing and doing God's will!
That's what Jesus emphasized {Matthew 7:21-23} not just claims!

I almost converted to Islam as an adult because I studied Islam thanks to Ahmed Deedat and co. I am not as naive as you think.
When you were a Muslim, did you know Jesus as
1. Your Saviour and Lord?
2. Do you follow Jesus or Mohammed's teachings?
3. Did Jesus die on the stake? Did He resurect from the dead?

There is no Scholar of Islam that agree with you. Whatever a Muslim says that is not in the Qur'an nor the Sunnah is a BIG FAT LIE!

Maximus692:
I don't claim anything what i know is God's will for mankind and how to do it! Matthew 21:28-31

You asked ME a Question to which you yourself do not know the Answer. Is this not hypocritical?

Maximus692:
1. So where is the evidence that you are not one of the WORKERS OF INIQUITY?
...
2. So what is the WILL of God that really matters?

Maximus692:
3. Anybody can make the same claims so what is the difference between you and a Muslim who makes the same claim?

Mr Maximus, I ask you exactly this same questions
1. What is the EVIDENCE that you are not one of the workers of Iniquity?
2. What is the will of God that really matters
3. What makes you different from a Muslim?

Let me see if it's all about Jesus or about a cult of a group!

LordReed:
No, I am saying mind is an emergent property.

I guess your definition is a cryptic as ever !
Mind emerging property from where?
Reaction between chemicals or interaction of chemicals with molecules?

It looks vague because how can we prove that your comprehension of this post is emerging property from something?

Maximus692:
Anybody can make the same claims so what is the difference between you and a Muslim who makes the same claim?

Just check:
Can ANY Muslim make my claims?
If they can, show me just one example.


At they same time, what is your own CLAIM?

I've stated mine with scriptures to back it up

What is/are your own claims?

Coolsat:
It happens so long as you don't force her to change her religion after marriage.

I agree that it happens
BUT
This will be going against Islam!


According to the traditional interpretation of Islamic law (sharīʿa), a Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian or Jewish woman but this ruling doesn't apply to women.

Qur'an 5:5
“Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Halal (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends.”


Reasons:
It's all about Islamic Evangelism
1. To depopulate the number of would-be Christian children as you reduce the number of marriable Christian women
2. The Children should normally adopt the religion of their father and both their mother

honesttalk21:
Interesting you refer me to drlateef instead of stating what exactly the problem is.
Anyway this should broaden your thinking and pardon my responses.

This view is not a scientific error. In fact, around 70% of the ejaculatory fluid that contains sperm comes from the seminal vesicles, which are parallel to the backbone, and around 20% from the prostrate and 5% from the bulbourethral gland which are in the loin area.

https://sapienceinstitute.org/does-the-quran-make-a-mistake-on-where-semen-or-sperm-is-produced/#:~:text=This%20view%20is%20not%20a,are%20in%20the%20loin%20area.

These sort of discussions are often endless and hardly of value.
In response to your question on how all that affects my practice of Islam do pardon my sharing some information seen on the matter. You see the bold indication of COPIED.

Not all of us are medical practitioners thus, I always make my questions simple

1. What is the name of the yellow sexual fluid from the ribs of the woman that becomes a baby after contact with the male reproductive fluid?
2. Knowing where the Taraib is according to Scholars of Islam, what is the relationship between Taraib and the conception of babies?



To help you:
Do you know where the female bone of the taraib is?

Imam at-Tabari said:
The taraib refers to the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest.
Imam al-Qurtubi said:
The taraa’ib of a woman, which is the place where her necklace goes,
Imam al-Qurtubi said:
The taraa’ib of a woman, which is the place where her necklace goes,
al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer in his Tafseer said:
The taraib refers to the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest.

molons:
Las Las they will not use it

Everything Iran is doing is targeted towards Israel.
They will use them once they feel ready

SalamRushdie:
. Iran can like to decieve themselves, we have still not seen their ballistic missile cross 25kms and now they don enter hypersonic race too, something even the US haven't been able to master

Don't underate Iran o: they may not be close to Israel in technological know-how but they are doing everything to catch up.
The power of Unity and Direction and Foresight cannot be underestimated!

LordReed:
Ok.

Mind as far as we know is the emergent property of the workings of the brain and other parts of the body, It is real and somewhat measurable in that the impulses the brain produces correspond to states of mind that are similar in all individuals. Can your exact thoughts be viewed externally? No but the state of you mind always matches particular brain scan/imaging patterns that can be viewed.

Are you saying that the mind is the electrical impulses measured in the brain?

How can the mind be real when it cannot be measured (except you believe the mind is electricity)?

NDEs show that it seems that consciousness can exist even when brain signals is zero!

Imaging patterns of the brain are measured electrical signals, what do you think is the cause: chemicals!?

AntiChristian:
Your truth are lies! The Jesus you believe is not even known where he supposedly lived for over three decades! See as God and Jesus dey change syllabuses and coverage! God die! Abeg! Enough of your heresies!

Make we start all these same arguments again?
No time! Stay with your falsehood you call truth!

A lie is detected when it is PROVED that what has been said has no bearing with the TRUTH. Saying my truth is lies without proving it might as well be a white LIE! LOL!!

1. The Qur'an gives us reasons to think it's a lie because they are full of statements we all agree is not of God's character and attributes to make.
2. Your hadiths and Tafsirs are full of evidences of outright fabrications and fables as you Muslims too agree
3. There are too many questions you Muslims cannot answer in your religious books and literatures without resorting to lies (Taqqiya), Violence or Silence.

It doesn't matter how convinced you are about the check you received to sell your goods: if the check is a dud, you have been swindled and you have lost.

So is Islam!

I will suggest (on a neutral basis) for the sake of your salvation, study the scripture of the Jews and check if the fundamental aligns with Islam.

Why?
You claim that Moses, David, Aaron, Zachariah, Yahaya, Jesus are all Muslims: if they are, then they follow the religion of the Jews.
After, ask yourself why Islam hates, demonizes and despises the Jews and their religion



I still invite you to the Messiah for the sake of your eternal life.
Or at least, ask yourself according to what Mohammed taught you
1. What is so special about the Messiah that He has qualities not given to humans?
2. Why (if it's not a mistake by Allah) the Messiah was sent to the world?
3. Why it makes sense that the Messiah will return to convert everyone to ISLAM when He himself never preached Islam?

Maximus692:
So where is the evidence that you are not one of the WORKERS OF INIQUITY?

Muslims have high regard for Jesus and they believe he is God's sent just as those Jesus prayed for {John 17:8-9} so calling Jesus Lord! Lord! doesn't make you special in any way than they are. Matthew 7:21

So what is the WILL of God that really matters?

What makes me special!?

1. I was Redeemed and Bought with a costly price therefore I glorify God in my body as one who serves God
1Cor 6:20: "For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
1Cor 7:23: "You are bought with a price; be not you the servants of men."

2. I obey ONLY the One (Christ) who bought me with His Blood by Obeying His commandments of Love, Purity and Service to God and do not replace Him with ANY persons, groups or organisations
Rom 6:16: "Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"


3. My name is written in the Book of life by Greece through my faith in Christ.
Phil 4:3: "And I entreat you also, true yoke fellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life."
1Jn 5:20: "And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

4. I have the Seal of the Father, the Holy Spirit.
2Cor 1:22: "Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."
Eph 1:13: "In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"


Calling Jesus Lord means nothing except Jesus Himself know you treat him as LORD and not an organisation or yourself or anything else.
If Jesus is your LORD, you will follow Him by living your life according to His commandments in LOVE, PURITY and SERVICE to Him.

LordReed:
We've had this discussion before and my position hasn't changed.

I am not sure we have: this is about the reality of the mind and not the soul.

Is the mind real?
Is there an objective evidence for it?

Is the mind just simply chemicals acting on biological matter?

A001:
I'd love to know what their reasons are.

LordReed, what ye have to say?how real is the mind since there isn't a single objective evidence for it.
Is the mind just chemicals acting on biological matter?