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gaskiyamagana:
I am still waiting for your disapproval or correction to the above above errors you qouted from your dubious sources, which I have corrected.

Rather than face the real Question, you decided to pick on trivialities. I will oblige you.

gaskiyamagana:
Jargons if not garbages as usual from corrupted Christianized sources, are all of the Arabic and translations above .
Unavoidable is it, atime to argue with you. When premises are lies how will inferences and conclusion be truth?
ALLAHUMA. never Allahama
Invocating : OH ALLAH !
Allahama foundation is bad, knowledgeable/ intelligent is zero.
ALLIYATHIR never ALLISAR
This is the little time to be wasted on your rubbish, no more time for others in the above.

I will like to show you my corrupted Christianized sources so that you can be at peace.

The NEVER EXISTENT لّمة (Allamah) - Scholar/Learned person
Allāmah (Arabic: عَلَّامة,[1] Urdu and Persian: علامه, meaning "learned" is an Islamic honorary title for a profound scholar, a polymath, a man of vast reading and erudition, or a great learned one.[2]

The title is carried by scholars of Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence) and philosophy. It is used as an honorific in Sunni Islam as well as in Shia Islam, mostly in South Asia, the Middle East and Iran. Sunnis and Shias who have achieved scholarship in several disciplines are often referred to by the title. It is also used for philosophers, such as Allama Iqbal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allamah

The name Allama (Arabic writing : علامة) is a Muslim boys Names. The meaning of name Allama is " Very learned "
https://imuslim.name/563-meaning-Allama-muslim-arabic-names.html


The NEVER EXISTENT لليثر (Allisar) - Captivating/Charming

Alissar is Arabic/Muslim Girl name and meaning of this name is "TBD".
Based on numerology value 7, Alissar is Analytical, understanding, knowledgeable, studious, independent, fearless, investigative, proof oriented, practical Spiritual, Intelligent, Reserved, Mysterious, & Intuitive.Below is some points about the name Alissar based on numerology value -
https://namesfolder.com/islamic-girl-name/alissar

Alissar an Algerian baby names. Alissar name especially used for 'Girl' Gender. The girl's name Alissar is made up of 7 attributes and is initially refer to females. This name is long and simple to pronounce. All continents use this name, although is where it is most popular.
https://www.babynamemeaningz.com/Alissar-meaning-350713

The name Alisar is most common in
Syrian Arab Republic, Lebanon, Jordan and United Arab Emirate.



Now that you have known my corrupted Christianized sources, and seen that the names are not fabricated names, can you now PLEASE answer my Questions or take a break.

I will certainly notify you when next I make a post.
Have a beautiful day Sir!

advocatejare:
Let’s keep engaging them then, so that we can continue to expose their foolery

I hope that at the end of the day
1. Christians would be educated enough to see through Islamic Taqqiya
2. That Muslims would be confronted with the truth of the Questions impossible for them to ask
3. That Muslims will begin to ask themselves questions that will lead them to freedom by the truth in the Messiah
4. Christians in evangelism are armed with relevant answers to their faith as well as relevant questions to ask Muslims.


We will pray and confront every foundation of the religion of the antichrist

[quote author=gaskiyamagana post=123675477][/quote]I have challenged you to find the corrupted Christianized sources where I copied my posts.

Thanks to Ahmed Deedat, I now know so many things the modern Muslims would have preferred hidden

gaskiyamagana:
"...... there is no standardized English transliteration of Arabic word..."
This is according to you as Christian Arabic teacher (or from the corrupted sources, as l have been saying and which is proven true all the way), who is hell bent to muddle falsehood with Islam from all front. This is one of the reasons your problem with anything Allah can't be solved. As l have analogized, English man arguing with Yoruba man on the name 'DUPE' as deceit, instead of 'THANK' and not ready to take to the correction, is a fool. Any transliteration, apart from this "MUHAMMAD" for the last prophet of Allah, is wrong, somehow accept as mistake. However, when the maker of the mistake or error insist, as you are repute for, then something is wrong somewhere. Mecca is totally wrong, no C in Arabic Alphabets . Writing it as such made it not right for MAKKAH. Arguing this again will be a surprise to me if l am a fool.
I am waiting for your Arabic language mastery to correct my correction of yours as below

You would have been correct if all I was doing was to Teach you Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic, Islam or Sunna : however, all I do is
1. I know your standard narrative about Islam, Mohammed, Allah and the Quran
2. In my studies of the Islamic literatures, I come across things that negate Muslims preferred standard narratives
3. I state my observations about these inconsistencies
4. Based on my observations, I ask you Simple Questions


Now, Instead of answering the questions from my observations that would have cleared the inconsistencies, what do you do?

1. Without answering the questions, you repeat your preferred standard narrative.
2. You deliberately avoid answering the questions knowing that the answers contradict your preferred standard narratives
3. You turn around to insinuate that I am teaching you wrong Islam, Arabic and Sunnah

As Muslims, don't you ask we Christians Questions?
Do you see us dodging answering the questions or proving the answer with scriptures, history and documents that prove our claim. You don't need to belive in our explanations however, it is worse when you note that we deliberately hide information or deny our books or outrightly dodge answering your question.


Summary :
I cannot teach you Islam. However, I can study Islam and ask you questions whenever I see inconsistencies between what your books and history with your preferred standard narratives about Islam.

advocatejare:
I understand now, being a master of deception is one of the attributes of being a good Muslim, after all Allah their god is the father of lies, the best of the deceivers, Al-Makireena

Exactly!
What is important is that they have an opinion and they voice it out. Only then can on constructively engage them in meaningful discussions that could expose their deception and doctrine

sonmvayina:
It is impossible to die....

God is the universe itself. And we are the universe experiencing the universe, ..as human beings...

Death is an impossibility.....because there is no where to die and go to....That where God hates Lucifer (the goddess of death) because she is a deceiver.....

The circle keeps repeating itself...

Death is NEVER an Annihilation, Death is a Disconnection.

A person disconnected from God is eternally dead!
When a persons body is disconnected from his soul/spirit, he becomes physically dead

advocatejare:
Lukuluku69 that can’t show his belief about the coming back of Jesus Christ in the Quran

As for drlateef, is a liar and a quack who lied that there is no poison that kills slowly he also lied that a grunting baby was mentioning Allah

https://www.nairaland.com/6980884/newborn-baby-says-allah-instead#110138230

Drlateef also lied that Muhammad was given signs when the Quran said that he was not, can you now see that lateef doesn’t know anything about Islam?

IL- LegalWolf is a dullard, he doesn’t know anything

You forget that part of knowing Islam is to be able to tell one kind of lies to Muslims AND another kind of lies to non Muslims.
Telling Lies is a necessary part of Islam .

They will tell you that Jesus is a Muslim
They will tell you that Mohammed is the greatest prophet.
They would say the best man worthy of Emulation is Mohammed.
They will throw Allah under the bus to win an argument.

If any Muslim is able to manufacture answers, to me he is knowledgeable. Islam and the Qur'an itself is based on lie, so, what do you expect?

gaskiyamagana:
You are judged below:

All you need to do is Ask Questions and Answer Questions.

When you refuse to do these, your deception will be impossible to lift off.

I did answer your questions!

It seems you can't answer mine!

gaskiyamagana:
Reply to the above

If you check carefully, I never claimed to TEACH Arabic, nor Hebrew nor English nor Aramaic.

What I do is to
1. RAISE OBSERVATIONS and
2. ASK QUESTIONS

If you don't raise observations nor ask Questions, that would make you resistant to Knowledge and Truth.

The Truth is often obtained through INQUIRIES and INQUISITION.
When you now recieve the Truth it sets you FREE from the consequence of ERRORS

ASK and you shall RECEIVE!

When you refuse to ASK QUESTIONS, you will remain DECEIVED!

Do you care to know the Truth?

advocatejare:
He’s an empty barrel who knows nothing else than noise making, that’s why I call him IL- LegalWolf


That’s another confused person like Lukuluku69 and Drlateef

Lukuluku69 and Drlateef are even fair!
They seem to know their religion BUT LegalWolf can only argue technicalities while using every rule in the book to digress from the matter of question

honesttalk21:
Al from your entries refer to God?
Al is The.
As you have in all but one surah of the Quran's beginning; Bismillahi ar rahamani 'r'rahim (al here becomes ar)
In the name of Allah.
The merciful
The kind

I-lah not lah;hyphen just indicative of difference, is not the same as lah which means no, means god. Derived from the the root "a-la-ha", which means worship.

al-ilah. In Arabic, al- is the definite article and ilah means god. Within the arabic language rules is Allah.

La ilaha illallah. There is no god but God.

Understand the name Allah and attrubutes of Allah.

Well your entry on Yoruba simply shows the challenge of translating words from one language to another. Quite easily the context is missed.

Dupe to thank in Yoruba and the word ope which means thanks.
Du (the act) and Ope the verb. Pardon my linguistics

1. You will agree with me that language morphs with time and even in a particular language, dialects exist.
There is the Old Arabic and New Arabic, just like the yoruba spoken now is different from that spoken 100 years ago
(Eree =Uncooked Beans, Ewa=Cooked beans) -Old Yoruba
(Ewa =Uncooked Beans, Ewa=Cooked beans) -New Yoruba
Therefore, you cannot use moden arabic to judge ancient Arabic. You need to see how the ancients use their language.

2. Al- In modern Arabic always exclusively has the English translation THE (as a definite article)
Al-, El- or Il- in Old Semitic languages (Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic) mean DEITY

3. In Yoruba language, it is permitted to truncate a person's name without losing the identity it represents.
e.g. A yoruba girl called Modupeoluwa can be called Modupe or Dupe or Dupeolu Refers exactly to the same person.
Using this logic.
Does Allah and Lah refer to the same person?

In Arabic language, I am not sure the same applies except if it has a definite article prefixed to it
Eg.

4. There is the argument of ancient use of Lah
Bismi-Lah
Alhamduli-Lah
Abdul-Lah
Argument 1:
Can we find modern use where the prefix to a name similar to Allah is truncated as in the three examples above?
Thanks be to (اللّمة) Allamah can we write Alhamduli-Lamah?
In the name of (اللّم) Allam can we write Bismi-Lam?
Servant of (اللّور) Allur can we write Abdul-Lur?

You know perfectly well that this is murder of Arabic syntax: Meaning that Bismi-Lah , Alhamduli-Lah and Abdul-Lah means exactly what it says.
Argument 2:
The 99 names of Allah ALL without exceptions are prefixed with definite article Al-, As-, At-, Ar-, Az- or Ash- .
What is the strong evidence (apart from rhetorics) that Allah is not just Al- Lah as evidenced with every other names of your God?


Let me stop here

You didn't answer my questions

honesttalk21:
Gen 16:14

Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.

What does Genesis 16:14 mean?
In her astonishment and gratitude that the Lord has seen and heard her in her distress, Hagar gives a commemorative name to the well where the Lord found her in the desert. She calls it Beer-lahai-roi, which means "well of the living who sees me." Putting the name of the well together with the meaning of God's name for Hagar's son, Ishmael, the troubling events of Hagar's life include the powerful declaration that God hears ("Ishmael" and God sees ("Beer-lahai-roi". God is not silent or absent. He is paying attention. He cares and provides.

I was looking for LAH in the bible passages you quoted
And I was surprised that your argument is like looking for LAH in Lahore (a city in Pakistan) or LAH (a Musical note) or LAH (of Al-lah)

This is not the point of my arguiment.
The point of my argument is that El-, Il-, Al- are (depending on the dialect) an old Semitic Word meaning DEITY/GOD. Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic are ALL semitic languages that have this in their language.

Hence, Arabic Sentences (as a subset of the Semitic Language) like
BismiLah and
AlhamduliLah
makes complete sense as
In the name of Lah and
Praise be to Lah

Of course, Language is fluid and Language morphs with time such that Al-Lah has now been contracted to a single noun Allah.

Al-Lah simply mean God-Lah

This is why it is difficult for you muslims to answer the Question:
Who is Lah?

honesttalk21:
You cannot separate AL+LAH in terms of sound in Arabic language when referring to Allah (Almighty God).

Yes, you can.
Proof!
Tell me which of the 99 names of Al-lah does not have the prefix Al-, As-, At-, Ar-, Az- or Ash- ?
If there is none, what is the evidence that Allah is not just Al-Lah?

Tell me, if you replace Al-, As-, At-, Ar-, Az- or Ash- in the names of Allah with God, does it invalidate the identity of the Creator?
God-Rahman, God-Barr, God-Wakeel , God-Qudus , God-Salam, God-Samee,
God-Raheem, God-Rahman, God-Razak , God-Shakoor, God-Shaheed, God-Dhaahir , God-Tawwab etc

You probably don't know that the title names of God in Hebrew are similar (as it is a semitic language)
El-Shaddai
El-ohim
El-Elyon
El-oah
El-Roi
El-Olam

This is why you muslim have mixed up the Title of God with the Name of God!
Title of the Creator
English = God , Arabic = Allah , Hebrew = Eloah, Aramaic =El-
Name of the Creator
English = No name , Arabic = Allah , Hebrew = Yahweh, Aramaic = El-

honesttalk21:
The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) father's name Abdullah is because during pre-Islamic Mecca the pagan arabs were not pagans in the sense that they were worshipping a different God. They still acknowledged the supreme unseen God Allah. They worshipped idols (eventually about 360) alongside Allah as a means to worship Allah. Worshipping others alongside Allah is where the paganism is.

Allah in Arabic literally means God. Arab Christians and Jews alike used Allah when referring to their God. Look through arabic bibles.

Allah is the standard Arabic word for God and is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as by Muslims.
99 names/attributes of Allah which begin with Al, Ar, Az making them as the Merciful, kind, mighty etc. cannot be applied to Allah which is a singular name not the lah. Besides lah in arabic will mean no.

Following the rules of Arabic, can you give me some examples of words where one can truncate the name of Allahditta (اللهديتا) in words like
Abdul-Lah or Bismi-Lah or Alhamduli-Lah

Other real Arabic names you can use to test similar to the phonetics of Allah are:
اللهم (Allaham) - Knowledgeable/Intelligent
اللال (Allal) - Gentle/Kind
اللّمة (Allamah) - Scholar/Learned person
اللّم (Allam) - Knowledgeable/Wise
اللوي (Allawi) - High/Exalted
اللّف (Allif) - Compassionate/Affectionate
اللّم (Allim) - Learned/Knowledgeable
الليثر (Allisar) - Captivating/Charming
اللّور (Allur) - Flower/Blossom

1. If you remove Al- from each of these names, do they still retain their meaning? This is because they are full names and not titles
Check with the other names of Allah, removing AL- still retain the meaning because they are titles
-Rahman, -Barr, -Wakeel , -Qudus , -Salam, -Samee, -Raheem, -Rahman, -Razak , -Shakoor, -Shaheed, -Dhaahir , -Tawwab
In fact, we do give our children these meaningful names


2. Tell me how I can in Arabic language write for instance
Thanks be to Allim
or
In the name of Allam
or
Servant of Allur

With the little Rules of Arabic that you know, can we write
Alhamduli-Lim or Alhamduli-Allim? (Thanks be to Allim)
OR
Bismi-Lam or Bismi-Allam? (In the name of Allam)
OR
Abdul-Lur or Abdul-Allur? (Servant of Allur)

It just takes some Honest Answer.

Servant of Allah should be Abdul-Allah IF and ONLY IF Allah is the Name and not Lah!

Thank you!

honesttalk21:
Often the phrases you mention end at Bismillahi and alhamdulillahi however it is said in full as

Bismillahi rahamoni rahim
In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate

Alhamdulillahi rabbil al amin
Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Universe

Of course I understand that they are part of sentences

I am more particular about the phrases
1. In the name of Lah == Bismi-Lah
2. Thanks/Praise be to Lah == Alhamdu li Lah
3. Servant of Lah == Abdul-Lah

Based on these three
Is Lah the name of your God?

honesttalk21:
Gen 16:14

Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.

What does Genesis 16:14 mean?
In her astonishment and gratitude that the Lord has seen and heard her in her distress, Hagar gives a commemorative name to the well where the Lord found her in the desert. She calls it Beer-lahai-roi, which means "well of the living who sees me." Putting the name of the well together with the meaning of God's name for Hagar's son, Ishmael, the troubling events of Hagar's life include the powerful declaration that God hears ("Ishmael" and God sees ("Beer-lahai-roi". God is not silent or absent. He is paying attention. He cares and provides.

I don't know from wherever you copied this, but it doesn't have the name of God even in passing.
Hagar gave a Well a name for a Reason
Here is the Hebrew version if you are interested

Beer-lahai-roi;
ro'eh == Seer
lahai/chay == Living
beer == a well, pit

(literally Well of the living One that seeth me )

honesttalk21:
Gen 16:14

Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.

What does Genesis 16:14 mean?
In her astonishment and gratitude that the Lord has seen and heard her in her distress, Hagar gives a commemorative name to the well where the Lord found her in the desert. She calls it Beer-lahai-roi, which means "well of the living who sees me." Putting the name of the well together with the meaning of God's name for Hagar's son, Ishmael, the troubling events of Hagar's life include the powerful declaration that God hears ("Ishmael" and God sees ("Beer-lahai-roi". God is not silent or absent. He is paying attention. He cares and provides.

I don't know from wherever you copied this, but it doesn't have the name of God even in passing.
Hagar gave a Well a name for a Reason
Here is the Hebrew version if you are interested

AntiChristian:
It doesn't need to be consensus! It only need to be from the Qur'an or Sunnah!

That Jesus Christ is God is not a consensus in Christianity!
That's why there's Unitarian and Trinitarian Christians!

Thanks
Can you point me to sources where specifically I can read up the Islamic narrative of the Return of Jesus Christ

advocatejare:
Oya give us the answer Lukuluku69, AntiChristian, IL- LegalWolf

LegalWolf in particular doesn't know a hoot in Islam.
All he can do is make noises like
TenQ ooooo!
Ahhh.....Uhoooo!!

AntiChristian has stated his own position but he didn't say exactly where the information came from nor where the Nigerian Muslims also got their information.

AntiChristian:
The beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him) are derived from the Qur'an and Sunnah!

1. Muslims do believe in ‘Eesa as a Prophet, a messenger and a noble slave of Allah sent to the children of Israel to call them to believe in Allah alone and to worship Him alone.

2. ‘Eesa was never a god or the son of God as the Christians claim.

3. We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth. Many Prophets before him did miracles. The miracles includes ‘Eesa speaking while he was still in the cradle, breathing in to a clay bird making it turn to a live bird, healing the blind & lepers, quickening the dead, etc. All this happens solely with the permission of Allah.

4. We believe ‘Eesa has no father and his mother Maryam was a virgin. This is similar to Adam who has no father or Mother and Hawa (Eve) who has no mother but was created from Adam (peace be upon them both).

5. We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them.

6. We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

7. We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Thanks
I think I know exactly what you Muslims believe.

AntiChristian:
8. We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam.

9. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.

These are the beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) as founded in the Books of Islam.

I used to think that the above was the general consensus of Muslims.
1. Does that mean that we can't trust what the Nigerian preachers (on the facebook page) said?
2. Do you know if these nigerian preachers are using some weak hadiths or tafsirs to arrive at their position?
3. One of the Arab speakers said that Jesus is judging people in paradise right now, is that true?

gaskiyamagana:
Jargons if not garbages as usual from corrupted Christianized sources, are all of the Arabic and translations above .
Unavoidable is it, atime to argue with you. When premises are lies how will inferences and conclusion be truth?
ALLAHUMA. never Allahama
Invocating : OH ALLAH !
Allahama foundation is bad, knowledgeable/ intelligent is zero.
ALLIYATHIR never ALLISAR
This is the little time to be wasted on your rubbish, no more time for others in the above.

1. I challenge you to find the Christianized sources you think I am copying! Dont you know that information is available for whoever searches?
2. You and I know well that there is no standardized English transliteration of Arabic words such that for your Prophet Muhammad, it can also be written as Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohamad etc, therefore, since I gave you the ARABIC name, bravely use it and dont use it as an excuse to run away from answering the questions.

These are just Logical Question through which you should at least diffuse the minds of Muslims who are seeking answers.

Again: Assuming you wouldn't use escapist techniques

If I was copying from corrupted Christianized sources, do you think I should have responses to your rebuttal?


This your argument would be okay if only you can prove it with Arabic rather than with Yoruba. As we both know, your first language is NOT Arabic therefore, we are nearly in the same category
If I take your Argument Seriously, then you shouldnt have any problem with LAH as the name of Allah.
WHY?
Modupeoluwa, Modupe, Dupe Refers exactly to the same person using this logic.
Does Allah and Lah refer to the same person?



I HAVE PREPARED SOMETHING WITH WHICH YOU CAN EDUCATE AND CORRECT ME: I am open to knowledge
Following the rules of Arabic, can you give me some examples of words where one can truncate the name of Allahditta (اللهديتا) to -Lahditta (اللهديت) in words similar to Abdul-Lah or Bismi-Lah or Alhamduli-Lah

Other real Arabic names you can use to test similar to the phonetics of Allah are:
اللهم (Allaham) - Knowledgeable/Intelligent
اللال (Allal) - Gentle/Kind
اللّمة (Allamah) - Scholar/Learned person
اللّم (Allam) - Knowledgeable/Wise
اللوي (Allawi) - High/Exalted
اللّف (Allif) - Compassionate/Affectionate
اللّم (Allim) - Learned/Knowledgeable
الليثر (Allisar) - Captivating/Charming
اللّور (Allur) - Flower/Blossom

1. If you remove Al- from each of these names, do they still retain their meaning? This is because they are full names and not titles
Check with the other names of Allah, removing AL- still retain the meaning because they are titles
-Rahman, -Barr, -Wakeel , -Qudus , -Salam, -Samee, -Raheem, -Rahman, -Razak , -Shakoor, -Shaheed, -Dhaahir , -Tawwab
In fact, we do give our children these meaningful names


2. Tell me how I can in Arabic language write for instance
Thanks be to Allal
or
In the name of Allam
or
Servant of Allur

With the little Rules of Arabic that you know, can we write
Alhamduli-Lal or Alhamduli-Allal? (Thanks be to Allal)
OR
Bismi-Lam or Bismi-Allam? (In the name of Allam)
OR
Abdul-Lur or Abdul-Allur? (Servant of Allur)

It just takes some Honest Answer.

Servant of Allah should be Abdul-Allah IF and ONLY IF Allah is the Name and not Lah!

Thank you!

advocatejare:
AntiChristian, what is the Islamic: Quranic/Hadith position on the second coming of Jesus Christ?

Your brother Lukuluku69 doesn’t know and your scholars are confused, they don’t seem to agree on their positions

AntiChristian , Lukuluku69
The Quran did not say anything about the Return of Jesus!
I just checked!

1. Where did the Nigerian Muslims get the fact that Jesus wouldn't come again/
2. Where did the "Saudi/White" scholars get the information that Jesus is coming back again to rule the whole world from Jerusalem?


Up till now, i never knew that there is no unanimous consensus by Muslims on the Return of Jesus!

gaskiyamagana:
You must have tried your best to educate them but is it enough for someone and his likes, with diseased heart and corrupted reasoning to agree with you? Their reasoning is just like an English man who is arguing madly with Yoruba man on the name 'DUPE' that it is ' deceit ' or ' dubious ' and the person you called DUPE must be a deceitful or dubious person.
As we know 'DUPE' (THANK) is shorten form of "MODUPEOLUWA " translated as 'I THANK GOD' without any change to it meaning. The English man in this argument not a fool , if maintain his position after the explanation?
Similarly, maintaining hatred-induced ignoring yours and others explanation on the NAME OF ALLAH , by whosoever made them English man above.

This your argument would be okay if only you can prove it with Arabic rather than with Yoruba. As we both know, your first language is NOT Arabic therefore, we are nearly in the same category
If I take your Argument Seriously, then you shouldnt have any problem with LAH as the name of Allah.
WHY?
Modupeoluwa, Modupe, Dupe Refers exactly to the same person using this logic.
Does Allah and Lah refer to the same person?



I HAVE PREPARED SOMETHING WITH WHICH YOU CAN EDUCATE AND CORRECT ME: I am open to knowledge
Following the rules of Arabic, can you give me some examples of words where one can truncate the name of Allahditta (اللهديتا) to -Lahditta (اللهديت) in words similar to Abdul-Lah or Bismi-Lah or Alhamduli-Lah

Other real Arabic names you can use to test similar to the phonetics of Allah are:
اللهم (Allaham) - Knowledgeable/Intelligent
اللال (Allal) - Gentle/Kind
اللّمة (Allamah) - Scholar/Learned person
اللّم (Allam) - Knowledgeable/Wise
اللوي (Allawi) - High/Exalted
اللّف (Allif) - Compassionate/Affectionate
اللّم (Allim) - Learned/Knowledgeable
الليثر (Allisar) - Captivating/Charming
اللّور (Allur) - Flower/Blossom

1. If you remove Al- from each of these names, do they still retain their meaning? This is because they are full names and not titles
Check with the other names of Allah, removing AL- still retain the meaning because they are titles
-Rahman, -Barr, -Wakeel , -Qudus , -Salam, -Samee, -Raheem, -Rahman, -Razak , -Shakoor, -Shaheed, -Dhaahir , -Tawwab
In fact, we do give our children these meaningful names


2. Tell me how I can in Arabic language write for instance
Thanks be to Allal
or
In the name of Allam
or
Servant of Allur

With the little Rules of Arabic that you know, can we write
Alhamduli-Lal or Alhamduli-Allal? (Thanks be to Allal)
OR
Bismi-Lam or Bismi-Allam? (In the name of Allam)
OR
Abdul-Lur or Abdul-Allur? (Servant of Allur)

It just takes some Honest Answer.

Servant of Allah should be Abdul-Allah IF and ONLY IF Allah is the Name and not Lah!

Thank you!

honesttalk21:
Is there a misconception that Lah is the Egyptian moon god or lah; a divine name, in hebrew names such as is the case of
Beer-Lahai-roi (Gen. 16.14; Gen. 24.62; Gen. 25.11), Ramath-lehi (Judg. 15.17; 2 Sam. 23.11) and Bethlehem, and in particular, the Hebrew personal name Methu-selah (Gen. 5.21, Gen. 22, Gen. 25, Gen. 26, Gen. 27; 1 Chr. 1.3)?
Or is it lah which means "NO" in Arabic?

I was looking for LAH in the bible passages you quoted
And I was surprised that your argument is like looking for LAH in Lahore (a city in Pakistan) or LAH (a Musical note) or LAH (of Al-lah)

This is not the point of my arguiment.
The point of my argument is that El-, Il-, Al- are (depending on the dialect) an old Semitic Word meaning DEITY/GOD. Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic are ALL semitic languages that have this in their language.

Hence, Arabic Sentences (as a subset of the Semitic Language) like
BismiLah and
AlhamduliLah
makes complete sense as
In the name of Lah and
Praise be to Lah

Of course, Language is fluid and Language morphs with time such that Al-Lah has now been contracted to a single noun Allah.

Al-Lah simply mean God-Lah

This is why it is difficult for you muslims to answer the Question:
Who is Lah?

honesttalk21:
You cannot separate AL+LAH in terms of sound in Arabic language when referring to Allah (Almighty God).

Yes, you can.
Proof!
Tell me which of the 99 names of Al-lah does not have the prefix Al-, As-, At-, Ar-, Az- or Ash- ?
If there is none, what is the evidence that Allah is not just Al-Lah?

Tell me, if you replace Al-, As-, At-, Ar-, Az- or Ash- in the names of Allah with God, does it invalidate the identity of the Creator?
God-Rahman, God-Barr, God-Wakeel , God-Qudus , God-Salam, God-Samee,
God-Raheem, God-Rahman, God-Razak , God-Shakoor, God-Shaheed, God-Dhaahir , God-Tawwab etc

You probably don't know that the title names of God in Hebrew are similar (as it is a semitic language)
El-Shaddai
El-ohim
El-Elyon
El-oah
El-Roi
El-Olam

This is why you muslim have mixed up the Title of God with the Name of God!
Title of the Creator
English = God , Arabic = Allah , Hebrew = Eloah, Aramaic =El-
Name of the Creator
English = No name , Arabic = Allah , Hebrew = Yahweh, Aramaic = El-

honesttalk21:
The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) father's name Abdullah is because during pre-Islamic Mecca the pagan arabs were not pagans in the sense that they were worshipping a different God. They still acknowledged the supreme unseen God Allah. They worshipped idols (eventually about 360) alongside Allah as a means to worship Allah. Worshipping others alongside Allah is where the paganism is.

Allah in Arabic literally means God. Arab Christians and Jews alike used Allah when referring to their God. Look through arabic bibles.

Allah is the standard Arabic word for God and is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as by Muslims.
99 names/attributes of Allah which begin with Al, Ar, Az making them as the Merciful, kind, mighty etc. cannot be applied to Allah which is a singular name not the lah. Besides lah in arabic will mean no.

Following the rules of Arabic, can you give me some examples of words where one can truncate the name of Allahditta (اللهديتا) in words like
Abdul-Lah or Bismi-Lah or Alhamduli-Lah

Other real Arabic names you can use to test similar to the phonetics of Allah are:
اللهم (Allaham) - Knowledgeable/Intelligent
اللال (Allal) - Gentle/Kind
اللّمة (Allamah) - Scholar/Learned person
اللّم (Allam) - Knowledgeable/Wise
اللوي (Allawi) - High/Exalted
اللّف (Allif) - Compassionate/Affectionate
اللّم (Allim) - Learned/Knowledgeable
الليثر (Allisar) - Captivating/Charming
اللّور (Allur) - Flower/Blossom

1. If you remove Al- from each of these names, do they still retain their meaning? This is because they are full names and not titles
Check with the other names of Allah, removing AL- still retain the meaning because they are titles
-Rahman, -Barr, -Wakeel , -Qudus , -Salam, -Samee, -Raheem, -Rahman, -Razak , -Shakoor, -Shaheed, -Dhaahir , -Tawwab
In fact, we do give our children these meaningful names


2. Tell me how I can in Arabic language write for instance
Thanks be to Allim
or
In the name of Allam
or
Servant of Allur

With the little Rules of Arabic that you know, can we write
Alhamduli-Lim or Alhamduli-Allim? (Thanks be to Allim)
OR
Bismi-Lam or Bismi-Allam? (In the name of Allam)
OR
Abdul-Lur or Abdul-Allur? (Servant of Allur)

It just takes some Honest Answer.

Servant of Allah should be Abdul-Allah IF and ONLY IF Allah is the Name and not Lah!

Thank you!

Nvestor02:
Nothing really bad in his speech, El rufai like just any other person believe that the religion he is practicing is better than the one others are practicing.

THE CAN are not decieved, they prayed and preached against it but they don't have the power and the population to change it.

Peter Obi has also call on church to take back Nigeria. but it's so unfortunate that the thing is not getting attention like El rufai speech.

If A Muslim politicians said what Peter Obi said. christians would have trended it more than how it was.

Be it Muslims or Christians, What we all want is betterment of Nigeria, where everyone will see each other as brothers and sisters.

Me personally, I'm tired of all this religion emotional propaganda mostly from the Christians.

You guys are using christian-Christian in the south but don't want Northern governors to use Muslim-Muslim.

Have you read this?
Tell me it is not Muslims that started it because of their objective for Allah and his religion
https://www.nairaland.com/7719165/how-used-religion-give-tinubu#123644673

MaxInDHouse:
“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16

With this you've proven to be an Antichrist!

Are you innocent (harmless) as dove yet criticizing other people's religions for provocation?

True Christians are fishers of men {Mark 1:17} if we're to be offensive how do we catch the fish?

This has nothing to do with the Good News of God's Kingdom that we're to preach, this is why only Jehovah's Witnesses have proved to be real Christians.
Of course people hate us due to our strong faith but we aren't offensive in our approach because we have what it takes to reach the heart of all our audience.
Lukuluku69, Antichristian and many of them aren't my friends here because i always make them know that we're not on the same page but they have nothing as in nothing to say against Jehovah's Witnesses organization.
When it comes to preaching and teaching all religions have their different beliefs that's why Jesus emphasized on the outcome of whatever preaching or teaching you have! Matthew 7:16

That's why we don't criticize because it's not about teaching but FRUIT (RESULT) in the gathering of those adhering to the teaching.

I am only interested in your zeal {Act 18:24-26} but to be frank with you you're not a Christian going by what Christ laid down for us!

You didn't answer my question!
I said:
Give me just one instance Jesus forbade criticising other people's religion?




Like Jesus was so gentle in preaching in the temple :
He gently upturned their tables
He gently removed the chairs of the money changers
He gently asked those who were buying and selling out of the temple.

Going with you, Jesus would have acted differently with the Gentiles.

Acts 19:8:
"And he went into the synagogue, and spoke boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God."

Acts 19:9:
"But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spoke evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus."




Of course I can see several of your lovey dovey engagements about the gospel you make in the name of Christ with the Muslims on Nairaland.

"The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend!"
The statement seem very similar to "Birds of the same Feather.. "
LOL!



BTW:
What is CRITICISM?

Mr Maximus,
Am I wrong for saying that Mohammed is a false prophet?
Am I wrong for saying that the Qur'an is not the word of God?
Am I wrong for saying that salvation is in no other apart from Christ Jesus?

[quote author=Nvestor02 post=123644847][/quote]How do I know if your rhetoric is not Taqqiya!

Is Taqqiya allowed by Allah for Muslims?

Nvestor02:
Nothing really bad in his speech, El rufai like just any other person believe that the religion he is practicing is better than the one others are practicing.

THE CAN are not decieved, they prayed and preached against it but they don't have the power and the population to change it.

Peter Obi has also call on church to take back Nigeria. but it's so unfortunate that the thing is not getting attention like El rufai speech.

If A Muslim politicians said what Peter Obi said. christians would have trended it more than how it was.

Be it Muslims or Christians, What we all want is betterment of Nigeria, where everyone will see each other as brothers and sisters.

Me personally, I'm tired of all this religion emotional propaganda mostly from the Christians.

You guys are using christian-Christian in the south but don't want Northern governors to use Muslim-Muslim.

It is Muslims who started Jihad for their Allah involving subjugation of especially Christians.
Are Muslims forbidden to apply Taqqiya in carrying out this Jihad?

How can we trust anything you do or say?

MaxInDHouse:
It's not about enemies or friends but the truth from Jesus of Nazareth whom you're defaming his fine works by going contrary to what he laid down.
So if it's a lie prove me wrong by presenting where Jesus of Nazareth taught his disciples to go about criticizing other people's religions?

I didn't say anything to make you respond!
Guilty conscience!?

Your teddy bear Jesus! LOL!?
Of course, you don't know the True Jesus.
Give me just one instance Jesus forbade criticising other people's religion?

Have a nice day!



"The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend!"
The statement seem very similar to "Birds of the same Feather.. "
LOL!

gaskiyamagana:
What else do you want me to say after saying that your problem with Allah will never ceases till second coming of Jesus. You want me to eat my words, and continue with your jagons from shallow and myopic reasoning? Impossible!

I don't want you to say but to think and ask questions because
It is IMPOSSIBLE that both Christianity and Islam lead to paradise. Why?

Since both claim to be the Way, one must be an imposter and only a desire to know the truth and not emotional attachment will deliver you.

Ask yourself this Question:
If 90% of Everything said about Jesus and Mohammed is TRUE with respect to God, who's message and person should you follow?

Is it normal if it is said that
1. God legalized prostitution for his followers
2. God doesn't know that the sun doesn't set in murky waters
3. God doesn't know that Taraib produces no reproductive fluid
4. God doesn't know that he's taking ancient fables and incorporating in his eternal words
-alexander the great
-the seven sleepers
-solomon dying for almost a year standing and no one knowing, Solomon's ring, Solomon talking to birds and insects


My friend, I do not hate you!
I care about you and your eternal life.

It would be gross WICKEDNESS for me to have experienced Christ and His Salvation BUT keep Quiet about your Deception.
I truly pray for you that you will know that TRUTH so that the TRUTH sets you free.

I invite you to the Messiah!
Ask Questions even about Him and you'll find Him.
Stop ignoring and sidelining the Messiah
Don't Replace the Perfect with the imperfect
It is NOT an Accident of God that the Messiah was sent

MaxInDHouse:
Anyone speaking abusively about another faith is an Antichrist!

WHY?

Jesus taught his disciples to become fishers of men {Mark 1:17} he strictly ordered them to be wise as serpent and harmless as dove {Matthew 10:16} this means they must be friendly with everyone whose faith totally differs from Christianity! Matthew 5:43-48

So what are these people doing here?

The real disciples of Jesus (Jehovah's Witnesses) always speak friendly with all those that are willing to listen to the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom but the way these Antichrists are disturbing people in buses and streets saying things that's unfriendly has made most people concluded that Christians are trolls criticizing their faith. 1Peter 3:15
How do you catch fish by being offensive?
So many won't even like to listen to the GOOD NEWS we have!

I was a Muslim by birth but after listening to the GOOD NEWS of God's kingdom i can't just resist the joy that filled my heart knowing God has a prospect for mankind.

I know so many guys claiming Muslims on this forum and we have discussed at length but when they want to speak about Christianity they always refer to these Antichrists because they have nothing as in absolutely nothing to say against true Christians: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

"The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend!"
LOL!

The statement seem very similar to "Birds of the same Feather.."

LegalWolf:
My Nairaland Nemesis, 'Spanker' and Future thief TenQ

Every single time, I always achieve my core purpose - expose your ragheadedness to the world. If intelligence were to be crime, you will die of innocence!

To my mind, you have simply equated El Shaddai (often translated as God, Almighty or Almighty God), El Elyon (God, Most High) etc to Al-Qudus, Al-Aziz etc. Al Qudus does not mean God, the Holy or Sacred. It is just The Most Sacred full stop. Al Mutakabir does not mean God the Supreme but just pure The Supreme.

Empty barrels, as they say, make the loudest of noises! Yours is even worse... irritably ignorant, extremely arrongant, excessively, ultra-foolish and imbec1lic. Now coupled with the fact that you are a liar and a future thief! And the annoying thing is that those who ought to have functional brains like FxMasters nudge you on... the stray advocatejare egg you on as well. Spits!

Any ways, thank you for the nice session. I thoroughly enjoyed myself and I am certain you will be dumber next time I reach out than you are today.

Sai anjuma (O daabo)!

cc: Future thief TenQ
Bcc: the stray advocatejare ; FxMasterz

No wonder you couldn't respond to simple questions which exposes the lies and deceptions of Islam.

What was difficult translating simple Arabic words that betray that which you hide?

1. Who is LAH?
What does Bismi lah mean?
What does Alhamdu li Lah mean?
2. You couldn't justify why All (with no exception) the 99 names of your Lah is preceded by the prefix Al-, As-, At-, Ar-, Az-, Ash-
Tell me how Al-Lah is misplaced as one of the names of your God?
3. Your Prophets father Abdullah is an idol worshipper, what is the meaning of his name and who is LAH?

These are questions you can't answer without failing.

And in helping you again:

Is Arabic is El- and Al- different?
“El” is sometimes used instead of “Al”. It has the same meaning and the Arabic writing is in fact the same. The difference in spelling in English is merely due to the fact that sometimes Arabic speakers pronounce certain sounds slightly differently from one another. El is predominantly the pronunciation of this word in Egypt and some other North African countries, while Al is usually used in the Levant and Gulf region.
https://www.arabicgenie.com/2013/07/what-does-the-al-in-arabic-names-mean

al- (Arabic: ٱلْـ, also romanized as
el-, il-, and l- as pronounced in some varieties of Arabic), is the definite article in the Arabic language: a particle (ḥarf) whose function is to render the noun on which it is prefixed definite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_definite_article

What does Al- as a prefix mean in Arabic?
And sneakily, you want to separate Al- from Il- in Arabic to ask the question where AL (not IL) means deity?
How can you distant ancient Arabic culture and language from the Semitic?

Unfortunately, even if in modern Arabic Al- is equivalent to the English word THE, you still got yourself roped in the same problem: Who is LAH?

Is it UNTRUE that In Semitic languages, including Arabic, the term "El-" or "Al-" or "il" is often associated with the concept of deity?

A001:
The Universal Consciousness or Universal Mind I stated isn't your small, vengeful god, Yahweh. No. It's not a person, but a system, the superposition of all individual minds and consciousnesses in the Universe.

Your Yahweh is immaterial and useless in this discussion.

Why is it that when people are boxed in a corner, they begin to exhibit the rottenness in their hearts. It's a pity that you can't define a Being as whatever is conscious!
BUT
Since I won't abuse you back, it's time to go.

Till another time.

Have a good night rest

LegalWolf:
Flee that Al Lah is god Lah ? Really ? Future thief ? 🤣🤣🤣💃🏽💃🏽💃🏽💃🏽

Then answer my questions

Check the 99 NAMES of Allah and tell me that they are not PREFIXED by the qualifiers
Al- or As- or Ash- or At- following the Arabic rules but meaning the same thing
Al-Rahman, Al-Barr, Al-Wakeel , Al-Qudus etc
As-Salam, As-Samee,
Ar-Raheem, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Razak etc
Ash-Shakoor, Ash-Shaheed, etc
Az-Dhaahir etc
At-Tawwab etc

Tell me how Al-Lah is misplaced as one of the names of your God?
Is there any of the 99 NAMES of Allah not PREFIXED with the Qualifier Al-, At, As-;Ash-, Az- etc.


2. What does Bismilah mean? In the name of Lah!
Who is LAH?


3. What does Alhamdu li Lah mean? Praise be to Lah!
Who is LAH?


4. Is it true that Mohammeds father who is an Idol worshipper has his name as Abdul-Lah! Servant of Lah
Who is LAH?



Please respond to these questions!