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I just listened to this Sheik. My observation

1. He believes he is a Muslim
2. He accords his highest respect to Allah
3. He from his studies have concluded that Muslims have written too many UNTRUE things about the Qur'an as
a. The VERBATIM words of Allah
b. The Age of the Qur'an
c. The claim of Inspiration/dictation by Jubril
d. He doesn't have a Problem with Mohammed writing the Qur'an
e. He still believes Mohammed is a Messanger of Allah
f. He is still a Muslim



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdWuKYASPpA


Can you try to watch his messages:
I think he should be taken seriously, what do you think?



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leanonme82:
Yesterday Edo stations were empty begging cars to enter and buy fuel. Immediately after inauguration, they all closed their stations. ALL OF THEM. Disgraceful. Stations were selling fuel freely in Ibadan.

You can't blame them. No one knows the today current price of petrol!

gaskiyamagana:
For others on this thread to judge both of us requote the answer to the original Word translated into English meaning Vain or Lie from Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin or Greek Bible languages. Also, the mission coverage of Jesus, lost sheep of the house of Israel or whole world or whole creation, as verses l qouted are confusing and contradicting.

https://www.nairaland.com/7703863/proof-allah-killed-muhammad-falsifying/1#123436009


You didn't read this?

coke75:
Gorilla can not consent. Would be rape.

How do you know, a gorilla can be on heat can it?

gaskiyamagana:
For others on this thread to judge both of us requote the answer to the original Word translated into English meaning Vain or Lie from Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin or Greek Bible languages. Also, the mission coverage of Jesus, lost sheep of the house of Israel or whole world or whole creation, as verses l qouted are confusing and contradicting.

TenQ:
I guess you do not know the meaning of a contradiction.
A contradiction would be
Statement 1: "I was sent to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel!"
Statement 2: "I was NOT sent to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel!"

These two statements above would be contradictions.
However,
The verses you mentioned, Matthew 10:5-6 and John 17:18, do present differing scopes of Jesus' mission.

SHORT ANSWER:
1. While Jesus was Alive, His ministry was to the House of Israel and He sent His Disciples to preach in Israel
2. After the Death and Resurrection of Christ, His ministry was to the World and He sent His Disciples to preach to the whole World



LONG ANSWER:
Let's examine these Scriptures:
In Matthew 10:5-6, Jesus is speaking to His disciples and instructs them as follows:
"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.'"

Here, Jesus specifically directs His disciples to focus their mission on the "lost sheep of Israel" and not to venture among the Gentiles or Samaritans. This can be seen as a limited scope of the mission at that particular time.

On the other hand, in John 17:18, Jesus is praying to God the Father just before His crucifixion, and He says:
"As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world."

In this context,
Jesus is referring to His disciples and expresses that just as God sent Him into the world, He is sending His disciples into the world.
This broader statement suggests a mission that encompasses more than just the lost sheep of Israel.

While there may appear to be a contradiction between these verses, it is important to consider the different contexts in which they were spoken. Matthew 10:5-6 reflects a specific instruction to the disciples at a particular moment, emphasizing their initial mission among the Jewish people. John 17:18, on the other hand, expresses a broader understanding of the disciples' mission and their subsequent role in spreading the message to the world.

In Christian theology, these passages are reconciled by interpreting the initial focus on the lost sheep of Israel in Matthew 10:5-6 as part of a gradual unfolding of the mission, which eventually encompassed all nations as depicted in John 17:18 and the Great Commission given later in Matthew 28:19-20.

Overall, these statements can be understood in light of different stages and aspects of Jesus' mission and the progression of the early Christian movement.


Finally, Jesus did exactly the same with His disciples
1. Stay in Jerusalem until you are endowed with power
Lk 24:49
“And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”
2. Only after this can they expand and go into all the world
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Sorry Bro!

https://www.nairaland.com/post/123436029



So, you didn't see this?

Here is a scripture that may help you if you can process it.
Eph 2:11-13:
"Why remember, that you being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus you who sometimes were far off are made near by the blood of Christ."


Through the Blood of Christ, we Gentiles (non Isrealites) became partaker of the Gift of SALVATION by the BLOOD of Christ!

gaskiyamagana:
Capital and emphatical YES that God of the Bible is the Allah of the Qur'an; although and sadly with, BUT in JEREMIAH 8:8 through which God of the Bible is characterized with many ABSURDITIES.

I don't believe so but you do, then why were you disrespectful of the God of the bible?

gaskiyamagana:
What about the hissing snake, roaring lion, haircut and murderous god of bible ?

gaskiyamagana:
Moon light tale of your moroness and explicit holy porn of SONGS OF SOLOMON in the Bible, which is which?

You may quote the absurdities as whatever you insinuate cannot be close to blowing in a lady's vagina

Quran 66:12
And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her (vagina) so We breathed in it of Our Spirit, and she sincerely (believed) in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.

Tell me if this is not absurd for one who creates by saying "BE Kunfayakun" and it is.
Why this lewdness?

gaskiyamagana:
Remind me or requote your Chunk of information as l remind you above chunk of questions you are running away from.

You repeated the Question believing that my absence was an indication of not having an answer to your questions on
1. Jeremiah 8:8 and
2. Your claim of contradictions on Jesus being sent to Israel and being sent to the world.

[quote author=gaskiyamagana post=123457185][/quote]And I have answered your question to explain why the KJV used the word vain rather than lie or falsehood in their translation.

gaskiyamagana:
This is interupted rebooting. I have no response to this as it was not for you. Settle your own before helping the person its mean for. I mean yours as below:

This particular one is for you as you raised the issue of pornography .
He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. You got exactly what you threw in tipper loads.
That's why I responded to your write-up

Talking about porn, can you please open your Quran to

Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢

Quran 66:12
And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her private parts, (i.e., safeguarded) so We breathed in it of Our Spirit, and she sincerely (believed) in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.
— Dr. Ghali
Dr Ghali was sponsored by Christians, abi?

I am sure you don't know that فَرْجَهَا is Vagina?

What is Allah's mouth doing on the Vagina of Mary?

If this is not porn, what is it?
Blue film!?

Was it Allah or Jibril performing cunnilingus?
Explain how Allah HIMSELF inflated Mary with baby Isa by putting his mouth on her Farjah and blowing hard into it?

Please educate us

FxMasterz:
It's you Muslims who claim the Quran was written by Allah. That's why any discrepancy in the book cannot be overlooked. And, it's pathetic that the Quran falls short of what could have been written by the Almighty God. The flaws are numerous. The cover ups by the Muslim scholars don't help matters.

On the other hand, we make no such claims about the Bible. The Bible is an inspired Book. That is a book written by men who were moved by the Spirit of God to write. These men are imperfect beings but God uses their sincerity to bless the world.

Yes, you see, when an uncircumcised mind reads the book of Solomon or any other part of scripture, he comes only in contact with the letters. Just the letters, and he can't see beyond that. He is too blind to the message that the book is passing across.

There are tons of lessons we've learnt from the book in our walk with God.

Please, dont mind him.
I have given him his response

https://www.nairaland.com/7703863/proof-allah-killed-muhammad-falsifying/1#123436009
and
https://www.nairaland.com/7703863/proof-allah-killed-muhammad-falsifying/1#123436029

gaskiyamagana:
Moon light tale of your moroness and explicit holy porn of SONGS OF SOLOMON in the Bible, which is which?

gaskiyamagana:
Alright
Ok
Tell me the LIES in holy porn Bible of SONGS OF SOLOMON?

gaskiyamagana:
So, Solomon is co-author of the Bible with God according to your first sentence?
If l am uncircumcised in the heart, never be able to see, behind porn mind, body and words ( with which l always won heart of my girl friend and often recommended to my friends for their girl friends) in the Song of Solomon; how circumcised were you in heart to tell me otherwise about Allah, Qur'an and lslam?

Talking about porn, can you please open your Quran to

Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢

Quran 66:12
And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her private parts, (i.e., safeguarded) so We breathed in it of Our Spirit, and she sincerely (believed) in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.
— Dr. Ghali
Dr Ghali was sponsored by Christians, abi?

I am sure you don't know that فَرْجَهَا is Vagina?

What is Allah's mouth doing on the Vagina of Mary?

If this is not porn, what is it?
Blue film!?

Was it Allah or Jibril performing cunnilingus?
Explain how Allah HIMSELF inflated Mary with baby Isa by putting his mouth on her Farjah and blowing hard into it?

Please educate us

gaskiyamagana:
What about the hissing snake, roaring lion, haircut and murderous god of bible?

This was not foe you, it was for legalWolf: when he started to be disrespectful, i gave him exactly his dose. You may read what lead to it the lead to this my response

Why should I respond to you whose god allah is satan in the shape of a young man with green dress not much different from the Dajjal except that he has two eyes while Dajjal has only one?
Why should I be bothered by your god Allah who is the slave of Mohammed and is a transformer-like shape shifting disabled personality with two right hands on his right shoulder and no left hand?

If I lie: here is the evidence below

You wanted a spanking, here you have it


LegalWolf,
You never learn!

According to your prophet, this same "god" of the bible is your allah!

Sunan Abi Dawud 4449: Book 40, Hadith 99
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:
A group of Jews came and invited the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.
He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi'(No. 4431).

Is your prophet lying?
Who is lying you or your prophet?

FxMasterz:
Chaii. This is the moonlight tale legalwolf and his likes are regarding as the words of God. This is pitiable.

Did you read his cowardly response?

He has bailed with his tail between his thighs

gaskiyamagana:
Birds of same feather.
Maybe your TenQ is rebooting. He has not respond to my question concerning SIMILARITIES between LIE and VAIN in Jeremiah 8:8 l qouted and he replied. Lie or vain , which one is correct as the KEY WORD concerning mixture of FALSEHOOD and TRUTH in the Bible ? I have also asked him above that is it from Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin or Greek Bible languages the original Word translation to English means LIE or VAIN?
He argued about Arabic language meaning of other religion, here is he who is unable to argue about his religious language MONUMENTAL problem as embedded in Jeremiah 8: 8 translation.

I have given you a chunk of information to chew if you are truthful>
LOL

Ex0rrcist:
Just imagine, stupid laws for what they choose not to understand. Imagine making a law for who two grown adult can love. Barbaric I would say.

I agree with you!
If a man chooses to love a consenting grown adult male or female gorilla, what is anyone's business? Whoever a person want to have sex with is his business as long as they are consenting adults!
Love is free, let's share love not hate.

This Ugandans are barbaric with their stupid laws

schoolboymatt:
Regarding the story of creation,
Genesis 2:16-17 states, "And the Lord God commanded the man, 'You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.'"
This verse establishes God's instruction to Adam and the warning of consequences associated with eating from the forbidden tree.

God is the creator of the universe and everything within it. His knowledge encompasses every possible scenario that could ever arise. God was aware that Satan would tempt Eve, leading to Eve eventually tempting Adam. He had the power to prevent all that unfolded.

Additionally, God ensures that you are not tempted beyond what you can overcome. Corinthians 10:13 "No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it."

Does this imply that Man was created with the intention to fall into sin from the beginning.

Man was created with the knowing that he will fall into sin!
1. Man was given volition
2. Volition must be tested
3. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the examination
4. Man wasted no time to fail the examination

gaskiyamagana:
TenQ , please help your other fellow Christians to defend CONTRADICTIONS in the following verses:
1 "I was sent to the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL " MATHEWS 15:24.

2. "........ GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL " MATHEWS 10:5-6.

These 2 verses VERSUS the below 2 verses.
3. "..........GO INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL TO THE WHOLE CREATION" MARK 16:5.
4. " AS YOU HAVE SENT ME INTO THE WORLD, I HAVE SENT THEM INTO THE WORLD" JOHN 17:18.
In the above verses, Mission Coverage of Jesus and his disciples is muddled: lost sheep of the house of Israel, the world, whole creation, which is which?

I guess you do not know the meaning of a contradiction.
A contradiction would be
Statement 1: "I was sent to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel!"
Statement 2: "I was NOT sent to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel!"

These two statements above would be contradictions.
However,
The verses you mentioned, Matthew 10:5-6 and John 17:18, do present differing scopes of Jesus' mission.

SHORT ANSWER:
1. While Jesus was Alive, His ministry was to the House of Israel and He sent His Disciples to preach in Israel
2. After the Death and Resurrection of Christ, His ministry was to the World and He sent His Disciples to preach to the whole World



LONG ANSWER:
Let's examine these Scriptures:
In Matthew 10:5-6, Jesus is speaking to His disciples and instructs them as follows:
"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.'"

Here, Jesus specifically directs His disciples to focus their mission on the "lost sheep of Israel" and not to venture among the Gentiles or Samaritans. This can be seen as a limited scope of the mission at that particular time.

On the other hand, in John 17:18, Jesus is praying to God the Father just before His crucifixion, and He says:
"As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world."

In this context,
Jesus is referring to His disciples and expresses that just as God sent Him into the world, He is sending His disciples into the world.
This broader statement suggests a mission that encompasses more than just the lost sheep of Israel.

While there may appear to be a contradiction between these verses, it is important to consider the different contexts in which they were spoken. Matthew 10:5-6 reflects a specific instruction to the disciples at a particular moment, emphasizing their initial mission among the Jewish people. John 17:18, on the other hand, expresses a broader understanding of the disciples' mission and their subsequent role in spreading the message to the world.

In Christian theology, these passages are reconciled by interpreting the initial focus on the lost sheep of Israel in Matthew 10:5-6 as part of a gradual unfolding of the mission, which eventually encompassed all nations as depicted in John 17:18 and the Great Commission given later in Matthew 28:19-20.

Overall, these statements can be understood in light of different stages and aspects of Jesus' mission and the progression of the early Christian movement.


Finally, Jesus did exactly the same with His disciples
1. Stay in Jerusalem until you are endowed with power
Lk 24:49
“And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”
2. Only after this can they expand and go into all the world
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Sorry Bro!

I had answered your questions at least twice now unfortunately, it wouldn't upload probably because of the attachments. The second time was on sunday morning. Notwithstanding, here is your response again

gaskiyamagana:
The person arguing with you in the Arabic language of his religion is doing so for argument sake. As far as the revealed language of the Bible is lost , what is your problem with the revealed language of Islam holy Book? Your efforts to corrupt it is dead on arrival as long as you are illetrate of it.
Was it Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin or Greek languages in which LIE AND VAIN have similar meaning as their translations to ENGLISH in the Bible Jeremiah 8:8 as you and I have qouted ?
This is your holy Bible linguistics problem, courtesy of interpolation, adulteration and infiltration, you have been unable to answer, but find pleasure in arguing with other religion language of revelation.

It is a blatant lie to say that the revealed language of the bible is lost
1. The Bible was not revealed as the Quran: human beings wrote the bible
2. Almost all the Books of the Old Testament was Written in Hebrew with the exception of Ezra and Daniel which was written in Aramaic. Aramaic (related to Hebrew language) was the language spoken by the Jews during and after their slavery in Babylon till the time of Jesus (Aramaic was like pidgin English while Hebrew was used in the Temple and in Worship).
3. The New Testament was Written in Greek because Greek was the lingua franca of the Eastern Mediterranean during that time period. Greek was widely spoken and understood, and it served as a common language for trade, commerce, and communication across different regions.

a. Aramaic language till today is primarily spoken by communities of Assyrian, Chaldean, and Syriac Christians in different parts of the Middle East, particularly in Iraq, Syria, Iran, and Turkey.
b. Hebrew language till today is spoken in Israel
c. Greek is still spoken till today as the official language of Greece and Cyprus.

Are these languages still lost?

You Said:
"Your efforts to corrupt it is dead on arrival as long as you are illiterate of it."
My Response:
If you check carefully, I mainly use Islamic literatures to disprove Islam. I use your Quran, Tafsirs, Hadiths and other Books from your trusted and respected Islamic Scholars. If you check carefully, I dont even use Ahmadiyah literatures or literatures from the Shia Muslims to disprove Islam. I use mainly Sunni Muslim Sources. Why? Because 95% of Muslims in Nigeria are Sunni Muslims.


I am not corrupting the Quran, I am exposing the lies behind it!

You said:
What is your problem with the revealed language of Islam holy Book?
My Response:
I have no problem with Arabic language in which the Quran was written. Arabic is a Semitic language just like Hebrew and Aramaic.
I have problems only with LIES told in the name of God.
Since the Quran itself according to you Muslims is the direct words of Allah, I then perform basic tests that the Almighty cannot fail.
When I prove from the Quran that Allah's level of knowledge does not surpass that of the average Arab living at the time of Mohammed, I conclude that the author of the Quran cannot be God but an ordinary man doing 419 with Gods name.

I have no problem with arabic, it is r the only language understood by Allah!
LOL!!

You said:
Was it Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin or Greek languages in which LIE AND VAIN have similar meaning as their translations to ENGLISH in the Bible Jeremiah 8:8 as you and I have quoted ?
My Response:
In Jeremiah 8:8, The Hebrew words used as vain in the KJV are
לַשֶּׁ֣קֶר (laš·še·qer) MEANING lie, lie to, bluff, deceive, liar, liars, fool, tell, falsely, falsehood, false, deception
שֶׁ֥קֶר (še·qer) MEANING lie, liar. lied, cold, falsehood, false, lying, fake, untrue, not true, fib, bullshit, perjury
https://context.reverso.net/translation/hebrew-english/

"Bullshit" can also refer to the act of making false statements or engaging in deceptive or insincere communication. It implies that the information being presented lacks truthfulness, integrity, or substance. Which was presented as VAIN

The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translates (98266) לַשֶּׁ֣קֶר and שֶׁ֥קֶר as:
without a cause, deceitful, falsehood feignedly, liar, lie, lying, vain thing, wrongfully
From shaqar; an untruth; by implication, a sham (often adverbial) -- without a cause, deceit(-ful), false(-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8266.htm

I personally think that the strongest TRANSLATION of the Hebrew words (98266) לַשֶּׁ֣קֶר and שֶׁ֥קֶר should be closer to lie, liar. lied, falsehood, false, lying, fake, untrue, not true, perjury rather than fib or bullshit, . I don't know why KJV used the inconspicuous meaning as most translations used what I consider as the salient meaning.

Here are other translations of Jeremiah 8:8

King James Bible
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
New International Version
“’How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
New Living Translation
“‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the LORD,” when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?
English Standard Version
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
Berean Standard Bible
How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us,’ when in fact the lying pen of the scribes has produced a deception?
New King James Version
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.
New American Standard Bible
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the Law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
NASB 1995
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
NASB 1977
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
Legacy Standard Bible
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of Yahweh is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
Amplified Bible
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us [and we are learned in its language and teachings]’? Behold, [the truth is that] the lying pen of the scribes Has made the law into a lie [a mere code of ceremonial observances].
Christian Standard Bible
“How can you claim, ‘We are wise; the law of the LORD is with us’? In fact, the lying pen of scribes has produced falsehood.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
“How can you claim, ‘We are wise; the law of the LORD is with us? In fact, the lying pen of scribes has produced falsehood.
American Standard Version
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of Jehovah is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes hath wrought falsely.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
How do you say: ‘We are wise and the Law of LORD JEHOVAH is with us?’ Truly the lying pen of the Scribes is made for falsehood!
Brenton Septuagint Translation
How will ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? In vain have the scribes used a false pen.
Contemporary English Version
You say, "We are wise because we have the teachings and laws of the LORD." But I say that your teachers have turned my words into lies!
Douay-Rheims Bible
How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed the lying pen of the scribes hath wrought falsehood.
English Revised Version
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes hath wrought falsely.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
" 'How can you say that you are wise and that you have the LORD's teachings? The scribes have used their pens to turn these teachings into lies.
Good News Translation
How can you say that you are wise and that you know my laws? Look, the laws have been changed by dishonest scribes.
International Standard Version
How can you say, 'We're wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us,' when, in fact, the deceitful pen of the scribe has made it into something that deceives.
JPS Tanakh 1917
How do ye say: 'We are wise, And the Law of the LORD is with us'? Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought The vain pen of the scribes.
Literal Standard Version
How do you say, We [are] wise, | And the Law of YHWH [is] with us? Surely, behold, it has worked falsely, | The false pen of scribes.
Majority Standard Bible
How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us,’ when in fact the lying pen of the scribes has produced a deception?
New American Bible
How can you say, “We are wise, we have the law of the LORD”? See, that has been changed into falsehood by the lying pen of the scribes!
NET Bible
How can you say, "We are wise! We have the law of the LORD"? The truth is, those who teach it have used their writings to make it say what it does not really mean.
New Revised Standard Version
How can you say, “We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us,” when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?
New Heart English Bible
How can you say, "We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us?" But, look, the false pen of the scribes has worked falsely.
Webster's Bible Translation
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain he hath made it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
World English Bible
“‘How do you say, “We are wise, and Yahweh’s law is with us?” But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made that a lie.
Young's Literal Translation
How do ye say, We are wise, And the law of Jehovah is with us? Surely, lo, falsely it hath wrought, The false pen of scribes.

https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/8-8.htm


I have shown you my opinion of how the two words VAIN and LIE/FALSEHOOD with evidence that you can crosscheck.
I have attached the interlinear translation of Jeremiah 8:8

JustAnotherGuy:
Demonstrate the existence of dimensions outside the imaginings of mathematics.

Since you can't respond to questions intelligently, your are hereby ignored until you exhibit some maturity.

Good night!

LegalWolf,
Please help me to explain this hadith

Sahih Muslim 1453c: Book 17, Hadith 35
Ibn Abu Mulaika reported that al-Qasim b. Muhammad b. Abu Bakr had narrated to him that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail b. 'Amr came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and said:

Messenger of Allah, Salim (the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa) is living with us in our house, and he has attained (puberty) as men attain it and has acquired knowledge (of the sex problems) as men acquire, whereupon he (Mohammed) said: Suckle him so that he may become unlawful (in regard to marriage) for you He (Ibn Abu Mulaika) said: I refrained from (narrating this hadith) for a year or so on account of fear. I then met al-Qasim and said to him: You narrated to me a hadith which I did not narrate (to anyone) afterwards. He said: What is that? I informed him, whereupon he said: Narrate it on my authority that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) had narrated that to me.
Question:
1. Where did Muhammad receive his command for breastfeeding adult males?
2. Where is the Quran on Breastfeeding Adult males?

LegalWolf:
Hey my nemesis future theif TenQ and FxMasterz

It just occurred to me that today is Sabbath, and I’ve broken it. My bad 😞! yhwh who worked his ass off for six days and ordered this would be furious. I’ve committed a grace sin equivalent to Kun fa yakun 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Anyways, I’ll be watching inauguration tomorrow and busy with some other things.
Thank you for your time. Till when some other time. And in the meantime, I’ll be begging yhwh to forgive me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hugs 🫂! From your one and only wolf who hunts doves mentioned in Luke 3

If Your Allah isn't satan, why did he turn Jews into Monkeys for fishing on Saturday when he was the one who prevented fishes from surfacing during the week but only on saturday?

Tafsir ibn kathir Quran (7:163)
(And indeed you knew). This Ayah means, O Jews! Remember that Allah sent His torment on the village that disobeyed Him and broke their pledge and their covenant to observe the sanctity of the Sabbath. They began using deceitful means to avoid honoring the Sabbath by placing nets, ropes and artificial pools of water for the purpose of fishing before the Sabbath. When the fish came in abundance on Saturday as usual, they were caught in the ropes and nets for the rest of Saturday. During the night, the Jews collected the fish after the Sabbath ended. When they did that, Allah changed them from humans into monkeys, the animals having the form closest to humans. Their evil deeds and deceit appeared lawful on the surface, but they were in reality wicked. This is why their punishment was compatible with their crime. This story is explained in detail in Surat Al-A`raf, where Allah said:
(And ask them (O Muhammad ) about the town that was by the sea; when they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday): when their fish came to them openly on the Sabbath day, and did not come to them on the day they had no Sabbath. Thus We made a trial of them, for they used to rebel (disobey Allah).)
(We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected" means, "Allah changed their bodies into those of monkeys and swines. The young people turned into monkeys while the old people turned into swine." Shayban An-Nahwi reported that Qatadah commented on,

LordReed:
LoLz! I am an agnostic atheist, my stance on the matter shouldn't be surprising.

I wont push this but this is the real Agnostic LordReed without his Atheistic Armour.
Im not saying anything different

AudioMonkey:
Good judgment LordReed.
Remember you also agreed earlier that it may not be hard to deduce God.
So, if we use intuition and deduction on important matters of our lives like accepting paternity without any DNA fact/evidence, why suddenly do some people make this method invalid when it comes to God?
I'll play along and assume they're more skeptical than the rest of us, the reason they want evidence to reinforce their deduction. If that is the case, yet we shouldn't have those who spend their lives attacking the concept of God, trying hard to prove he doesn't exist.
No matter how skeptical you're, after all your positive deductions by intuition, while you await perhaps DNA evidence/fact to solidify it's your son, you don't kick him and attack him. If as a malevolent person, you can't love him yet, worst is you maintain a neutral stand towards him. But if you kick him out and spend all the time attacking him, isn't that exposing the truth is that you really don't want him, only using the evidence thing as an excuse?
Some don't want God nor want him to exist, the reason they exist to attack and debunk him, while using whatever they mean by 'evidence' as an excuse to mask their real intention.
That is what it is.

You have spoken some wisdom here!

Cheers

LegalWolf:
Lol! Adamant, ignorant and foolish!

At least you accepted at a point that the Samaritans existed long before the time of Jesus. I’m conversant with EVERY part of Kings you referenced.

My question is: what do you even know about the ethnic-religious group called Samaritans and WHY should we have preference for the OT’s account of their history over theirs?

You’re a Nigerian right? do you prefer the British/European version of your history over that of your ancestors?

Cc: TenQ the future theif ooo

As Stubborn as a Billy Goat!
The Challenge was for evidence, You've gotten it.

LordReed:
Exactly.




I have rephrased it for you twice now.




You are not understanding what he meant. Stop getting stuck on the objects and focus on the perception, that is the key to understanding what he wrote.






I wasn't making a claim. I said it is possible a glimpse into extra dimensions is an explanation for certain phenomenon. I am speculating not making a claim.



Again this is speculation. we have no way currently of knowing if anybody can perceive in themselves the extra dimension. I seriously hope you know what speculation means.



Finally and again, I am SPECULATING. IF (and that is a very gigantic IF) beings exist that can natively see extra dimensions then they will certainly be different from us humans. It is our bodily structure that has determined how we perceive the universe around us thus it is not hard to extrapolate that beings capable of perceiving extra dimensions will have a body type that dictates such an outcome.

I wont push this but this is the real Agnostic LordReed without his Atheistic Armour.

Have a good night rest

LegalWolf:
Lol! Why did you avoid the question about your God being able to salvage his family and ethnic group like plague? A whole god ooooo


Cc: Future thief TenQ

Why should I respond to you whose god allah is satan in the shape of a young man with green dress not much different from the Dajjal except that he has two eyes while Dajjal has only one?
Why should I be bothered by your god Allah who is the slave of Mohammed and is a transformer-like shape shifting disabled personality with two right hands on his right shoulder and no left hand?

If I lie: here is the evidence below

You wanted a spanking, here you have it

TenQ:
Muslims are quick to claim that Allah is Indescribable and that nothing can be compared with him. This argument is used especially when they try to show that Allah cannot incarnate into a human form as claimed by Christians that God the Word became a Human incarnate as Christ Jesus.

Here, I want to show how Allah is indeed indescribable through his many shapes.

1. Allah: who has two Right Hands on his right shoulder

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379
It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As that:
The Prophet [SAW] said: "Those who are just and fair will be with Allah, Most High, on thrones of light, at the right hand of the Most Merciful, those who are just in their rulings and in their dealings with their families and those of whom they are in charge." Muhammad (one of the narrators) said in his Hadith: "And both of His hands are right hands."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 : Book 49, Hadith 1: Vol. 6, Book 49, Hadith 5381
Graduation: Sahih

Here we see that one of the distinguishing characteristics is that Allah does NOT have a left hand but he has two hands BOTH on his right shoulder. You will note that apart from in birth defects, there is no being like this.

The Origin of this hadith:
The Jews were found of tricking Mohammed with bogus narrations from their religion which the unlearned Mohammed will incorporate into his religion. This is one of them. They described to Mohammed the power of God and Mohammed added even to their narratives

2. Allah: with proper Left and Right Hands

Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying:
Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?
Sahih Muslim 2788a: Book 52, Hadith 7
Graduation: Sahih


Here we see that sometimes, Allah can have his two hands on both his left and right shoulders especially on the day of judgement. In other words, except Mohammed is fabricating narrations about Allah, Muslims should be confused about recognizing their Allah.

3. Allah: who looks like the Da'jjal (with the exception of the eye)

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand. Verily, the False Messiah is a short man, pigeon toed, curly haired, with one eye that is blind, neither protruding nor sunken. If you are confused about him, then know that your Lord does not have one eye.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4320
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani


It is amazing that Mohammed did not compare the false Messiah with the real Messiah. He compared Da'jjal with Allah AND it seems that the basic difference is that Allah is not one eyed. The Da'jjal is short, fat AND one eyed

4. Allah: who is a Young Man
Mohammed claimed:

"I saw my Lord in the form of a young man having plenty of curly hair in a green dress."

Narrator: [/b]Abdullah bin Abbas | The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah |
[b]Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah,
page or number: 7/290
| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih
Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference


Let me also give you the Arabic link
https://www.dorar.net/h/9k1WPsJH

Here Mohammed compared his Allah with a YOUNG man with curly hair. Who are those Muslims still insisting that there is nothing comparable to Allah! Is it their wishful thinking?

5. Allah: who is yet Unknown but another form with covered a "shin"

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532
Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, "Let us ask somebody to intercede far us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place.
....

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
...
Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say , 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.
.....


Here we see Allah coming to Muslims in ANOTHER shape which Muslims feel is beneath Allah . If not because Allah showed the Muslim his legs, they would have rejected their God.

Conclusion:
You can see that it seems the reason why Allah is Indescribable is simply because he transforms into several shapes and forms so that it is difficult to pin him down to one shape

LegalWolf,
You never learn!

aidameoryou:
Your suggestions are genuinely needed 🙏

Hi my people good day, I have been having a thorough thought all in my mind and have been boiling inside of me on what next step to take.

Over the years, I have seen my mum really been hostile to my dad and it's getting out of hand for me to bear.
I am the first son of some siblings and in my mid 20s.
I live apart from my parents in another state and one of my junior sibling who went home for a little break from school was complaining bitterly about how my mum attitude towards my dad is getting out of hand.

My father has to be the most responsible, respectable, reasonable man I ever know, he doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't womanizer. He has been the sole breadwinner in the family from when we were small up till this time.
His work isn't moving very well as it used to back then and as such he cannot cater very well like he's used to and even though at that, he's been trying his best....
My mum just doesn't appreciate him enough and I've seen this a million times.

[color=#000000]My next line of action is to call my mum and give her a serious scolding because she hasn't been warned sternly about this by any of my siblings before.
This is getting out of hand and I cannot bear it anymore, please what do you all suggest I could do in this situation[/color]

You are in the best position to defend your dad.
Let her earn a surprise from you: mind you, she will initially try to shout you douwn: its a strategy that had worked with your peace loving Dad

[quote author=FxMasterz post=123427876][/quote]Still the more reason to realize that the god of this world has imprisoned them and bound them with chains that intelectual confrontation and even conviction alone will not help.

FxMasterz:
Hahahah.

I always laugh when I see his comedic posts as he dances about on your threads making no meaningful contribution except to be hurling insults and be embellishing your Monika in the most shameful manner.

I even told him that he was making my case but he couldnt reason it out.

His strategy of occupying space by writing unrelated and uncoordinated spams is painfully obvious to both Muslims and Christians.
What he didn't know was that the Muslims who want a good rebuttal are put off as they are not helped by his meaningless rhetorics.

Of course for a long time, he learnt nothing

FxMasterz:
He won't listen. He's satisfied with the lies he's being fed with. To him, Mohammed knows Israel better than the Israelites themselves. SMH.

Ask LegalWolf to ask ChatGPT if the Samaritans existed at the time of Moses: he will dodge you like a plague.
They hate the truth with a passion: anything that would make Islam look good is welcome!
SMH!

A001:
Says who? Some atheists, due to one reason or the other, become agnostics later on, and some agnostics embrace atheism later as well. As for me, I've never been an atheist since leaving religion years ago and will never be one.

I don't expect the issue of whether God or not to be resolved within the next 50-60 years, so most likely, I'll remain an agnostic for life.

If I understand you correctly,
You take the distinction between Atheists and Agnostics very seriously: in this case you are NOT an atheist, you are Agnostic.

If I will stretch it a little more:
As an agnostic, you believe in higher dimensions but you don't attribute anything spiritual to them, they are just phenomenon that we do not have physical comprehension for yet. I hope I am correct?

LegalWolf:
Hey FxMasterz

Did you not claim that King David, Solomon and the likes never heard the word Samaritan before? Without any explicit proof?

And you expect me to be engaging an hopelessly, adamantly and ignorant fella? Ehn? Humour me please 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cc: potential theif TenQ ooooo

Unfortunately, you don't know that Northern Israel was also known as Samaria, or Ephraim or the northern kingdom
after the United Israel was divided into TWO kingdoms in the days of Solomon's Son Rehoboam. The Northern kingdom consist of 10 tribes of Israel while the southern kingdom consisted of just two tribes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehoboam
2 Chronicles 10–12,
1 Kings 12 and
1 Kings 14:21-31

Read up if you like: SMH!

No shame!