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The Qur'an is the Perfect Word of Allah from the mother tablet in paradise perfectly preserved by Allah himself

gaskiyamagana:
Bring out a verse in the Qur'an that 1 or 2 of these translations by Muslims , not Christian that is/are:
1 against each other or themselves .

Where is the verses of stoning and ten times breastfeeding of adult male?

gaskiyamagana:
2. dropped or missing in one or some of them as we have in different bibles

Where is the Qur'an of Uthman as I know you use that of Hafs?

gaskiyamagana:
3. Which of them contained more than 114 chapters as we have Bibles of different number of chapters?

Why are there differences between the Warsh Qur'an and the Hafs Qur'an?
Who authorized the rearrangement of the DICTATED words of Allah? Did Jubril make a mistake in bringing the Qur'an to Mohammed?

gaskiyamagana:
4. Which of them is done to revise, renew or standardized the Arabic text with which it was revealed?

The Qur'an was revealed in 7 Arabic dialects, what are the dialects and where are the Qur'ans?

FxMasterz:
Meanwhile religious rituals, be it Christian, Islam, Hindu or whatsoever it may be are useless to the soul of man. They guarantee nothing. They don't give eternal life.

Exactly sir!

Even as Christians, religion doesn't amount to anything

AntiChristian:
I have proven to you that all your "Rahman of Yamamah" and " Rahman revelations were baseless!

Al-Wahdi's book is a secondary book and would be used with other scholar of Islam.

Not all books can be picked by your Holly Spirit Gang and be used to denigrate Islam.

You will fall and fail!

Al-Wahdi is a trusted Scholar!

You've not proven ANYTHING sir. You have only asserted that you disagree with Al-Wahidi's detailed commentary of Qur'an 33:110


To prove anything, you need a scholar of repute that agree with YOU. Otherwise, you are a complete failure in the knowledge of Islam.


I wait for your scholar of repute!

AntiChristian:
If you say that then you should also agree that since there's a mistake in one verse of the Bible then all other verses would also contain mistakes!

I never said he was a fabricator nor a false scholar!
Our Scholars are not "Angels" hence they are infallible.
He can be right or wrong! And his judgement must be checked with other verdicts by other scholars!

I quoted this earlier:
However, it's important to note that "Asbab al-Nuzul" is not a primary source of Islamic teachings. It is a secondary source that provides insights into the historical context of Quranic verses and should be used in conjunction with other established sources of Quranic exegesis and scholarly consensus. As with any scholarly work, it is always advisable to exercise critical thinking, cross-reference information with other reliable sources, and consult with qualified scholars for a comprehensive understanding of the subject matter.

1. So, what is the primary source to Islam other than the Qur'an?
2. Why do you Muslims REJECT any Source that offends your modern views of Islam.
3. As per Al-Wahidi, which scholar CONTRADICTS his view on Al-Rahman, Al-Yamamah and Quran 33:110?

Lukuluku69:
Keep going in Circle o and chasing your own tail. That's the problem with you, deflections, rigmarole, repeating meaningless drowns.

Your European Crusaders must have taken a cue from Numbers Chapter 31 for that was the exact thing they did when they went to retake the Holy Land their man-god was strung up, beating and stripped.

And I can see that you have limited yourself to posting just Two verses from Numbers 31, I can see that you are not too proud of your god instructions well, their are dozens of such in your Bible but you are too ashamed to publish it.

What possibly could Jehovah do with 32 Virgin Girls?

So, you have no proof!?
You should be ashamed of yourself.



I asked you before

1. Tell me exactly what I said in my other post that Al-Wahidi did NOT say?

2. Just tell me that Al-Wahidi is FABRICATING Lies with attached EVIDENCE!?

3. Can Islam stand Scrutiny without crumbling?

It's too easy if you desire the TRUTH to set you free!

FxMasterz:
One thing I noticed is that a Muslim never bothers whenever you tell him about the need to seriously consider destination of his soul in eternity. He doesn't even care about that. He'll be cursing and fighting you, doing things that are anti-god in a bid to defend Islam and yet he considers himself a worshiper of God. Look at how legalwolf for example throws a lot of insults and ill mannered words on this platform daily. That's completely ungodly but he considers himself a staunch worshipper of God. How can someone be deceiving himself that ḿuch?

It is the Spirit of Islam
The bible speaks of the descendants of Ismael that they would be WILD DONKEYS, fighting against each other and everyone else.

The spirit of Islam is one of the spirits of the AntiChrist (instead of Christ) and till date the most successful. Mohammed replaced Jesus for Muslims.

Even though the Qur'an promises them hell fire, they choose to overlook it focusing more on the rituals of religion

gaskiyamagana:
With your above reply to my last post :
1 l am right to say that you are brainwashed to be celebrating birthday of Jesus on December 25

Jesus was not born anytime in December.

gaskiyamagana:
2, l am right that Bible as Words of God has been corrupted, interpolated and infiltrated by men who knew more than God Who revealed it. You need to settle my allegations against quality of bible's authenticity before yours allegations on the Qur'an.

Then you have to show proof that the Tanakh including the whole scripture of the Jews and the scripture of the Christians are corrupted BECAUSE your God Allah and your Prophet Mohammed thinks otherwise

gaskiyamagana:
3. You mean those who are tampering bible recommend something against what all prophets of practiced?

You should provide your EVIDENCE of what the original bible says!
QED!




I will not let you escape answering these


Now back to the main issue at stake

1. Tell me exactly what I said that Al-Wahidi did NOT say?

2. Just tell me that Al-Wahidi is FABRICATING Lies with attached EVIDENCE!?

3. Can Islam stand Scrutiny without crumbling?

It's too easy if you desire the TRUTH to set you free!

FxMasterz:
Any god that discourages you from asking questions is only interested in scamming your soul. Muslims should wake up.

Exactly!
But for now, do they care!?

They are sentimentally emotionally defending Islam

FxMasterz:
They don't ask questions. That's why it's difficult for them to see the deception.

Allah asks them not to ask questions so that they'll not be lead astray as the people of old.

They've been keeping to that tradition to the peril of their souls

Lukuluku69:
Quran 5:9, 41:8, 19:96, 31:8, 2:177 etc

Allah promised ALL Muslims that they'll enter the fire of hell, didn't he?

Lukuluku69:
I know your ways. Since you can't defend Jehovah instructions in Numbers 31, the game is to deflect and The European Crusaders are the perfect fit.

Well, they were Christians and acted based on their Faith. They wanted the Holy Land back. The Land their man-god was strung up a pole and stripped, whipped and slapped back.

So, they acted based on that faith and the call was made by a certain Pope who was filled with the Holy Spirit. If it were a wrong thing, shebi the holy spook abides you you lots, why did it not call you back?

If there is any deliverance needed, you are in need of one because you are the one who can't come to terms with the fact that Jehovah instructed Moses to Annihilate Nations and People for his children to take position of a land. And in return, he was given sheep, cows and Virgin girls to share between him, his son and the holy spook

Did you not say:

Lukuluku69:
You don't have to believe in Allah but once your territory falls within the Powers of Muslims, you pay the Tax. How hard is that?

Compared to Jehovah who instructed that Nations and Tribes must be massacred for his children to reach the promised land or his son Jesus who openly told his disciples that "those who would not allow his (Jesus) rule be brought forth and slaughtered"!

Was there any choices?

I asked you:

TenQ:
I asked you
Which instruction from God were they acting on?

At least you should be able to give some reference?

Your Response:

Lukuluku69:
Read Numbers Chapter 31

I have posted to you Numbers 31:1-2

Show me Jehovah's command to the Europeans or forever keep your mouth shut


I am too sure this was the opening of Numbers 31 according to Islam from Lukuluku69

Num 31:1-2:
"And the LORD spoke to Moses, European Pope Benedict saying, Avenge the children of Israel Christians of the Midianites: Palestinians afterward shall you be gathered to your people."

This is where God spoke to the Europeans!?
You need Deliverance bro!

gaskiyamagana:
It's sadden that your understanding of the word 'brainwashing' is very, very poor when it comes to comparison of Islam and Christianity.
Are you not brainwashed to accept that:
1. Jesus was born on 25 December, a day of worshipping prominent idol of the ancient Greek?

Jesus was not born anytime in December my dear.

gaskiyamagana:
2 Bible is Word but there were errors that needed to be corrected with subtraction and addition in the process of revising so as to produce REVISED VERSION, STANDARD, NEW and other adjectives of reproduction.

Unfortunately, Islam has over 60 different English translation of the Qur'an full of blatant lies. They are not revised, they are LIES!

gaskiyamagana:
3. A man is to marry one woman whereas there was no prophet of God with one wife, Father Abraham has more than two wives.

There is no law as per how many wives a man can marry even though ONE is recommended. A bishop must be a husband of one wife. Having two wives or more is NOT a sin.


Now back to the main issue at stake

1. Tell me exactly what I said that Al-Wahidi did NOT say?

2. Just tell me that Al-Wahidi is FABRICATING Lies with attached EVIDENCE!?

3. Can Islam stand Scrutiny without crumbling?

It's too easy if you desire the TRUTH to set you free!

gaskiyamagana:
Don't divert. Deal with the post you responded to. I mean tell me how not you are not interpolating and corrupting the Qur'an as you and your masters have shamelessly done to the Bible.

1. Tell me exactly what I said that Al-Wahidi did NOT say?

2. Just tell me that Al-Wahidi is FABRICATING Lies with attached EVIDENCE!?

3. Can Islam stand Scrutiny without crumbling?

It's too easy if you desire the TRUTH to set you free!

FxMasterz:
You're right. It can only be demonic.

I hope some Muslims will read these and begin to ask questions!

The Truth TRULY set's a person Free!

Lukuluku69:
Read Numbers Chapter 31

I am too sure this was the opening of Numbers 31 according to Islam from Lukuluku69

Num 31:1-2:
"And the LORD spoke to Moses, European Pope Benedict saying, Avenge the children of Israel Christians of the Midianites: Palestinians afterward shall you be gathered to your people."

This is where God spoke to the Europeans!?
You need Deliverance bro!

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Don't tell me in all your wanderings on the internet, you have never heard about the Crusaders? You are joking right?

If you don't know truly, well I say you get busy then!

I asked you
Which instruction from God were they acting on?

At least you should be able to give some reference?

Lukuluku69:
You don't have to believe in Allah but once your territory falls within the Powers of Muslims, you pay the Tax. How hard is that?

Compared to Jehovah who instructed that Nations and Tribes must be massacred for his children to reach the promised land or his son Jesus who openly told his disciples that "those who would not allow his (Jesus) rule be brought forth and slaughtered"!

Was there any choices?

I asked
Just Explain how Allah instructs Muslims to KILL us CHRISTIANS and JEWS but allow us to live if we PAY you MONEY?


Didn't I just showed you where Allah gave the command?

Lukuluku69:
When your Crusading Ancestors from Europe invaded Palestine, it was for Real Estate gain or what?

You see, you are confused. I can wean you but you have to unlearn so many poo you have been fed with, and be ready to learn some things afresh.

Which country from Europe invaded Palestine?
Which instruction from God were they acting on?

Lukuluku69:
Bring the verse where Allah instruct Muslims to kill Christians and Jews....

Qur'an 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
— English Translation (Yusuf Ali)

-We don't believe in your Allah
-We don't acknowledge that which your Allah allow or forbid
-We don't acknowledge Mohammed as a prophet
-We don't even acknowledge Islam

But, we can remain like this if we are willing to PAY for our Life!



Just Explain how Allah instructs Muslims to KILL us CHRISTIANS and JEWS but allow us to live if we PAY you MONEY?

Lukuluku69:
Compared to Lose your lives without OPTIONS by Jehovah.

No problem as long as it is not for Religious reasons!

Israel has been bombing Hama's in Syria, so what!? Is it in the name of Religion?

Lukuluku69:
I have told you once, let me tell you again, I can show you Islam, Prophet Muhammad and everything he did from your Bible.

But any attempt to show you and explain things to you, you will be all over the place with your prejudices honed over a long period of time.

Presently, I don't have the time (I wish I had) I will show you step by step most actions of the Prophet and where it was foretold in the Book you have carried all your life.

As for Fighting, read your Bible, there will come a time when a NATION will fight you for God's Cause.

I am actually a bit rusty, but let me look up the reference and I will post it.

Most time I laugh at your ignorance when you do what you do really!

As for Allah INSTRUCTIONS to KILL you CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. Well, I am quite familiar with the Seerah of The Prophet and I never come across anywhere he or his Companions went after Christians and kill them. It is true some Jews were excecuted during his time but those are Enemies of the State. And I am sure you know what ALL NATIONS do to Enemies of the State. Read up on the Jews of Khaybar for better understanding.

Just Explain how Allah instructs Muslims to KILL us CHRISTIANS and JEWS but allow us to live if we PAY you MONEY?

QED!

Lukuluku69:
Lol
Who deported the whole of Israel into slavery? Who? Name the Nations. When you are done, then check the Nations your Jehovah told Moses and his goons to massacre and keep Virgin Girls alive for themselves.

So, Jehovah gave different commands at different times? Interesting....

Your Jehovah never gave the Nations and Tribes on his children's path back then. Just kill and burn, kill and burn, kill and burn all the way to Cannan. And where that is not possible, obtain by Deceit by every means necessary.

At least Allah allows for options: Be Muslims, keep everything you owned, your Land, your possession, your Virgin Girls, your wives OR keep your Faith but PAY TAX to run the State.

If I was in your shoes, I will be Muslim

What a response from Allah!
Just convert to Islam even if it is just to AVOID pay Jizya!

Jews were slaves in Babylon
Jews were slaves to the Assyrians
Jews were deported by the Romans

Do you need more?


Become a Muslim or Lose your LIFE!
Perfect way to do evangelism by Allah and his prophet

Lukuluku69:
Go and read Jehovah instructions to Moses and his children in Numbers Chapter 31 then come back here and explain it.

The Midianites were not Babylonians nor Egyptians who enslaved your Jewish/Israelites gods but go read what your Jehovah told Moses and his children to do.

To think you get mouth to dry yarn dust is baffling to be honest.

Numbers 31 is just a tip of the iceberg ooo.

Since whatever the Israelites did was done not for religious reasons, the nation of of Israel can act as a Nation.
Can you show us that Israel waged war for Religious reasons?

Explain how Allah instructs Muslims to KILL us CHRISTIANS and JEWS but allow us to live if we PAY you MONEY?

FxMasterz:
I'm still at a loss to know why anyone would serve a god who regards you a holy man for lying for him. I can't even imagine how my dad remained a Muslim for 30yrs before he met Jesus. Islam is just too off the track. I don't know why its adherents hold on to it with so much temerity. It bafles me so much.

It is a religion that thrives in brainwashing her people. It looks like the demons of Islam possesses them that they cannot recognise either the truth nor discern what a lie is until they die!

It's not ordinary when the greatest Deceiver 419's a person.

Lukuluku69:
Use your analogy to the situations of many Tribes and Nations the Jews .etc on their way to their Promised Land.

Massacres upon Massacres! Ordered by who? Jehovah the father of Jesus or according to some of you, Jesus himself.

Allah gave a choice, join the Muslims or pay the Tax

Jehovah? Kill all of them but leave the young virgin girls for yourselves!

If I was in your shoes, I will accept the Muslims terms

In the times when the whole of Israel was deported into slavery!
In the times of the Law of An Eye for an Eye!

Just tell me God did this for Israel in the name of Religion. QED!
☝️
But Mohammed and his Prophet did all these to propagate Islam!

What a way to call people into Islamic paradise!

It is safe to say that Islam is a religion of Armed Robbers!

It is YOUR Money or your LIFE!

FxMasterz:
To be a Muslim you must know how to tell lies without battng an eye.

Please what is that lie they tell in order to make Allah look bigger? Sunna lie or something.

It is Holy to do Taqqiya in the name of Allah for the propagation of Islam.

Allah is the best of the creators, yet they lie that Allah is the ONLY Creator!

Allah is not comparable to anyone or anything, yet Allah compared himself to Baal. He compared himself to humans who need to have sex to have children. Mohammed even compared Allah to the Da'jjal.

Allah is Indescribable, YET their own books say he has TWO Right Hands, A shin, looks like a young man with black curly hairs in green Dress.


They want their people to go with the SIMPLIFIED Islamic narratives stripped of all that could make Islam truly stupid

Why are you Muslims prone to Taqqiya?
You just my Lie to defend Allah, his Messanger and his religion of Islam.

Is it UNTRUE that your Muslims say Jubril is the Rūḥ Al-Qudus?

Encyclopedia1:
According to website. Now I understand you. Have a blessed time sir.

No sir.
I only have you an EXAMPLE of what YOU as Muslims BELIEVE.

Here are Your English Translation of Rūḥ Al-Qudus showing the Rūḥ Al-Qudus is the Holy Spirit

Qur'an 2:87
English Translation (Pickthall)
And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit . Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
— English Translation (Pickthall)

Qur'an 2:87
English Translation (Yusuf Ali)

We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
— English Translation (Yusuf Ali)



Evidence from Qur'an English Translation showing that Rūḥ Al-Qudus is Jubril
Here you can read various translations of verse 87


MUHSIN KHAN
And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.


DR. GHALI
And indeed We already brought Mû‍sa (Moses) the Book, and We made to supervene the (other) Messengers even after him; and We brought Isa son of Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) the supreme evidences and aided him with the Spirit of Holiness; (The Holy Spirit, the Angle jibrîl “Gabriel” ) yet, is it not (the case that) whenever there came to you a Messenger with what (you) yourselves did not yearn to, you waxed proud, (and) so you cried lies to a group of them and (another) group you kill?


Evidence from your Tafsirs
Tafsir Ibn-Katheir
(Then We sent Our Messengers in succession) (23:44).
Thereafter, Allah sent the last Prophet among the Children of Israel, `Isa the son of Mary, who was sent with some laws that differed with some in the Tawrah. This is why Allah also sent miracles to support `Isa. These included bringing the dead back to life, forming the shape of birds from clay and blowing into them, afterwhich they became living birds by Allah’s leave, healing the sick and foretelling the Unseen, as Ibn `Abbas stated. Allah also aided him with Ruh Al-Qudus, and that refers to Jibril. All of these signs testified to the truthfulness of `Isa and what he was sent with. Yet, the Children of Israel became more defiant and envious of him and did not want to differ with even one part of the Tawrah, as Allah said about `Isa,


Tafsir Maarif-Ul-Quran
..
The Archangel Jibra'il (علیہ السلام) has often been called "Ruh al-Qudus" (the Holy Spirit) in the Noble Qur'an and the Hadith. For example, in Verse 16:102 - قُلْ نَزَّلَهُ رُ‌وحُ الْقُدُسِ مِن رَّ‌بِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ لِيُثَبِّتَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَهُدًى وَبُشْرَ‌ىٰ لِلْمُسْلِمِينَ ﴿102﴾ - "Say: the Holy Spirit has brought it (the Noble Qur'an) down;" or in a couplet of the poet and blessed Companion Hassan ibn Thabit ؓ ، reported in the Hadith:



Throw your Tafsirs and Qur'an under the bus will you,!?

saintbillion:
Nigerian life coach, Laila St. Daniel-Mathew, has reacted to the reports that Moroccan footballer, Achraf Hakimi, outsmarted his ex-wife, Hiba Abouk, in her move to claim half of his wealth through a divorce
The 24-year-old PSG star has become the focus of social media in the past 24 hours after it was revealed that he deposited 80 percent of his salary to his mother, Fatima's account.

Hiba had allegedly dragged him to court earlier this year, seeking an end to their five-year marriage, citing infidelity and other extra-marital reasons.

Taking to her Facebook account, the women's right activist said she finds it disgusting that Hakimi is ‘’being controlled by his mother.''

“I see so many nasty comments, mostly by men, towards Hakimi’s wife asking the courts to grant her half his wealth. For crying out loud SHE IS HIS WIFE AND THEY HAVE TWO SONS?” she wrote.

"She can ask for anything because she is part of him - it is left to the courts to decide. I find it MORE DISGUSTING that his MOTHER CONTROLS him! A grown man? All these men talking - is that what they do? A man tied to his mother’s wrapper? Probably she is the cause of whatever issues has led to this divorce!

“Which woman will be happy that everything that happens in her home is controlled by the mother of her husband? Even if she brought him up and was part of his success - it is wrong and very calculating of Hakimi also. I am sure if she has a GOOD lawyer - she can collect a good alimony for herself and her sons.”
https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2023/4/i-find-it-more-disgusting-that-his-mother-controls-him-laila-st-daniel-mathew-reacts-to-achraf-hakimis-divorce-drama-2.html

Even though I would have loved if the wife controlled his finances, UNFORTUNATELY, if this was the case, he would have been in a serious financial mess.

The Ideal work only when the couple realize that DIVORCE is not an option in their marriage and they had better make it work.

In this case the footballer is wise.

gaskiyamagana:
Fools like you are enjoying your teaching.
Wonder shall never end. Avowed enemy of Islam is interpolating and corrupting Qur'an as they have done to the Bible, nawa o.

Just tell me that Al-Wahidi is FABRICATING Lies with EVIDENCE!


The major WEAKNESS of Islam is that it CANNOT stand Scrutiny SUCCESSFULLY!
The reason is because there is too many Taqqiya in Islam.

I have not said anything that Al-Wahidi did not say.


Just tell me that Al-Wahidi is FABRICATING Lies with attached EVIDENCE!

Encyclopedia1:
Bro, like I said earlier, u need to open ur mind and not think like Christian before u can understand Islam. I’m no longer talking about this sir. Have a lovely time.

I once had a Hindu colleague at my place of work: He was a Sirilankan.

He believes in a kind of Reincarnation where bad people come back to this world as Chickens or Lizards or Cows or Insects and the best of humans stop Reincarnation.

Just exactly like you, he wanted me to OPEN my MIND to Hinduism and stop reasoning like a Christian.

Are you saying that this man has been Correct all along?


How are you sure that you have not been under a heavy Taqqiya by the best Deceiver?

Encyclopedia1:
And who says Holy Spirit is Angel Jubril? Are the angels in the Bible same as Holy Spirit sir

Can you then tell me without Taqqiya who the Rūḥ Al-Qudus is?


One of your Muslim website says unequivocally that
"According to the Quran, the “Holy Spirit” (Ruh al-Qudus) is Jibril (peace be upon him). For more, see the detailed answer"

https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/14403


So, who amongst you is making conjectures?

AntiChristian:
Correct!

False! Al-Fatihah, Yaa Sin and Ta ha came before Isra!

False! They were using it in Prayer as Fatihah was recited in prayer from Makkah!

They were ignorant! And they refuse to learn just like. Am sure they'll also be parroting same thing many times like this!

But there's no evidence of any Rahman in Yamamah!


So Fatihah, the fifth revelation was added much later?
Hope you are okay sha?

I don't know!

You seem to be at variance with Al-Wahidi, is he a false Scholar and a FABRICATOR?

In clear terms, is Al-Wahidi a LIAR?

Do you have a prove that Al-Wahidi's writeup on Qur'an 17:110 is an ERROR?