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Lukuluku69:
Lol

Not in a Zillion years. You got nothing to faze me with. Nothing. You are not only confused, delusion is your thing too. There is no Christian Alive today that got anything on Islam and I say that with my full chest out.

Sometimes stupidity astounds and only silence is the best response.

Being all over the place doesn't mean you got stuff to say.

At least you spoke some truth even when you couldn't answer my questions.

Have a good night rest bro!

FxMasterz:
In one word, a dead man is more honoured than a dead god.

Perfectly said!

drlateef:
You are not searching for truth but looking for ways to attack. Nobody has time for that. Islam is not a religion where we beg people to join. How can we beg you to partake in eating honey?

I have found the TRUTH and the truth have set me free

I wish you will also find the truth in the purpose of the Messiah.

The Messiah is not tempting you with women in paradise. He would give you rest for your soul when you come to him

FxMasterz:
Alright bro. I'll be looking earnestly forward to it.

I don't know why Muslims prioritise loyalty to a false religion above the salvation of their souls.

Mohammed is pseudo-Allah!

Mohammed is the Masquerade behind Allah

His people unconsciously treat him as such even while denying it.

Blasphemy against Allah may be overlooked by Muslims
BUT
Blasphemy against Mohammed is never overlooked by Muslims,: the punishment is death! (Except they don't have the power to do so)

Lukuluku69:
You are sounding stubborn ooo

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (KJV) If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

I take it that you are OUT cold with no response,,!



Have a nice day

Lukuluku69:
Give your head a wobble

So sorry you cannot truthfully answer the questions without destroying Islam

Questions:
1. Did Jubril make a mistake in the order of recitation of the Qur'an to Mohammed?

2. Did Jubril forget some parts of the Qur'an which on remembering had to insert?

Unless these two questions are answered convincingly, whatever you say is mere wishes!

[quote author=Raheeqilmaktoom post=122642323][/quote]Is this False about Mohammed?

Here are 16 privileges to Mohammed alone
90% is based either on MONEY or SEX

Here are 16 privileges given ONLY to the Prophet of Islam:

LIST OF PRIVILEGES of MOHAMMED
1. The BEST of the booty goes to Muhammed. Let's say IF the muslims a attacked A Jewish tribe, and they enter a house, The camel goes to the prophet, the camel goes to the rest of the muslim companions;

2. Muhammed can (forcefully) take a fifth of all the spoils (booty from raiding caravans & tribes);

3. "Al Wisal" (which means continuing the fast through the night to the next night, without eating);

4. Muhammed can have more than 4 women(unlimited number), but NORMAL muslims can have ONLY have a 4 wives;

5. "Yastankih" (or have Sexual Intercourse), with a woman who gives her herself to the prophet. ANY WOMAN can give herself to muhammed, just by saying that. No need for witnesses. He can simply can have Sexual Intercourse with her...;

6. To marry, "Yastankih," without the presence (or permission) of a legal guardian. IMAGINE, A Normal muslim cannot do that !! AGAIN: This privilege is for muhammed ONLY;

7. To marry, "Yastankih," without a dowry i.e. no money or a goods like a camel, robe or a goat;

8. To marry (and have intercourse) during a state of ritual consecration and purification. Meaning: Even if he is in the "state of ihram", he can have sex, but normal muslims cannot do that ...! (Ihram: a sacred state which a Muslim must enter, in order to perform the major pilgrimage (Hajj) or the minor pilgrimage (Umrah);

9. The annulment of an oath he may make to his women. He can take an oath and he can break the oath. Only He can do that in Islam, but normal muslims cannot!;

10. If Muhammad looks at a Married woman (and desires her) THEN HER HUSBAND IS FORCED TO DIVORCE HER AND HAND HER OVER TO MUHAMMAD, SO THE PROPHET CAN HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH HER. Ibn Al A’rabi said: "This is what the servant of the two holy mosques has also said, as was clear to the scholars FROM THE STORY OF ZAID which also had this meaning.";

11. That the prophet released Safiyyah (from her captured status) and he considered her release as her dowry;

12. To enter Mecca without being in a state of ritual purification;

13. To fight in Mecca;

14. That he is not inherited by anyone at all. This was mentioned in the oath of absolution for when a man approaches death due to illness, most of his possessions are taken away, so that he does not have more than a third left for him. But the possessions of the prophet remained for him, as stated in the verse of inheritance and in Surat Mariam;

15. His marriage is still considered effective after his death (ALL his wives can NOT re-marry anyone else after his death. EXAMPLE: Aisha did not marry anyone);

16. If he divorces a woman she remains prohibited to everyone and may not be married "Nikah," again to someone else.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported:

I felt jealous of the women who offered themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said: Then when Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this:" You may defer any one of them you wish, and take to yourself any you wish; and if you desire any you have set aside (no sin is chargeable to you)" (xxxiii. 51), I ('A'isha.) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.




Someone ( TruthHurts1 ) had even written about it on Nairaland but Muslims dodged it like plague
https://www.nairaland.com/6334279/16-privileges-enjoyed-muhammad-which#97487049


This is also written in their FATWA (Fatwa No: 238735) from
https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/238735/the-privileges-particular-to-the-prophet-sallallaahu-alayhi-wa-sallam

[quote author=Raheeqilmaktoom post=122642323][/quote]Is this Qur'an Wrong?
The Almighty Allah gave permission to Mohammed to have sex with ANY woman in his domain.

Qur'an 33:50
O prophet, we indeed have made lawful (for sex) for you
*your Wives whom you have paid their dowry
*And your Slaves whom you rightfully possess from among who Allah has given you
*The Daughters of your Paternal Uncles
*And The Daughters of your Paternal Aunts
*And the Daughters of your Maternal Uncles
*And the Daughters of your Maternal Aunts who emigrated with you
*And Any Believing Woman who gives herself willingly to the prophet for SEX
* This is a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess (their slaves) - that you may be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.


Qur'an 33:51
Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction - that of all of them - with that which thou hast to give them: and Allah knows (all) that is in your hearts: and Allah is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing.



Is this Hadith Wrong?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4788
Narrated Aisha:
I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger(ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

You will see that the context of Qur'an 33:50-51 is NOT marriage but just sex.


Thank you

drlateef:
Come back in future if you still want to know the truth. All your questions have convincing answers.

I wish you Muslims are answering my questions but you aren't.

For instance, no one has given me any coherent answers to these questions



I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

[color=ref]Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?[/color]


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
How can someone be so daft?

Like for real? You think you just discovered Uranus?

I'm so sorry to be this daft. It's not my fault: I was probably born that way and you may be of help to point out my absurdities sine I used Islam literature as references.

PART TWO:
Unfortunately, it seems after Mohammed released this verse, ALL women started coming to give themselves to Mohammed for sex. It would have been okay if all these women are young and beautiful BUT it seems amongst these women throwing themselves at Mohammed for sex are
1. Old Women
2. Ugly Women
3. Fat Women
4. Dirty Women
5. Flat chested women etc

It was too much and Mohammed was overwhelmed with undesirable women in addition to his SPECIFICATION. Therefore, the Almighty Al-Lah revealed verse 51.

Verse 51 gives Mohammed the RIGHT to DEFER or POSTPONE sex with the UNDESIRABLE women sometimes INDEFINITELY.

Qur'an 33:51
Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction - that of all of them - with that which thou hast to give them: and Allah knows (all) that is in your hearts: and Allah is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing.



Allah wrote in summary that Mohammed should feel free to do with the women as he pleases and that he shouldn't feel bad if he turns down any woman. Even if he turns down any woman and he later desires her, Allah says it not a problem.

At a point, one of the favourite wives of Mohammed had to say

“I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.”


EVIDENCE:

Sahih al-Bukhari 4788
Narrated Aisha:
I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger(ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

You will see that the context of Qur'an 33:50-51 is NOT marriage but just sex.

FxMasterz:
I dey salivate o. Abeg expose how Allah come tell dem say him be 'one of.' My ears dey itch me. Kikikikiki.

God willing, it may even be my next post.

Shalom

drlateef:
Unfortunately your intention appears not pure. Otherwise you will not see any contradictions. Understanding is your problem.

For someone who never knew the story of Adam, Eve, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus etc, the Qur'an could be unquestionable. However, when you know basic bible, it is impossible to overlook discrepancies


1. My intention to becoming a Muslim in my 200 L was in fact very serious. I counted the cost. I knew my parents would be hurt but I also knew that they would not disown me nor stop paying my school fees. I knew that the worst that would happen from them is that they would send people to me to see if they can convince me.
2. I got myself a copy of an English Qur'an " The Glorious Qur'an"! And I started reading from Al-Fathia down
3. In the process of reading, I began to come across disjointed forms of stories I read in the Bible.
4. I could understand if the Qur'an contradicted the New Testament (thanks to Ahmed Deedat) but I couldn't understand how the Qur'an/Islam will also contradict the Old Testament.
Eg.
-Who was Abraham intending to Sacrifice:
Ishmael or Isaac?
-How was Mariam sister of Aaron mixed up with Mary, mother of Jesus
-How Surat Yusuf sound so comical
- Different account of Creation of the universe by God
Etc etc

5. My first conclusion was the both the Qur'an and the Bible CANNOT both be from the same God.

6. I decided to step back to study the three monotheistic religions of Judaism (briefly), Islam and Christianity. This time around with a view of discerning the TRUTH!

7. The more I ASKED questions about Islam, the more it broke down with scrutiny.

8. I rededicated my life back to the Messiah


Now, I do the work of making Muslims ask questions rather than just swallow Taqqiya that will lead them to hell fire

The weakness of Muslims is that they don't ASK QUESTIONS!

I invite you to the Messiah for your SALVATION!

Muslims will never ask the question why Allah made a human being the Messiah!

buskee:
may the wrath of God falls on you.

Our prophet s.a.w was never adulterous. He has wives whom he legally married.
You cannot understand Islam by just quoting from the holy qur'an. Go and meet a scholar of Islam to break it down for you.

I know you love Mohammed and you are willing to defend him, but do it with truth behind you.


Are you sure Mohammed never commited ADULTERY?
I will only give you one example for now

1. Do you know any thing about Mary the Copt? Whose servant was she?
2. Was she ever married to Mohammed?
3. Did Mohammed have sex with her?

What is it called when a married person has sex with anyone he's not legally married to?


I guess you can truthfully answer if Mohammed is an adulterer.

If you deny this, I'll use both the Qur'an and Tafsirs to drive it in.

Thank you.

For those just joining us: here is the gist

How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the Authenticity of the Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




Flanker has not been able to flank me today. The guy is a guru in Arabic!

You should be happy I am making Muslims know Islam better shouldn't you?
Except if you find something I've said in error, then I'll be willing to correct such


As per copying from Christian sites, this is easy to verify after such a long time of me posting about Islam.

Have I said anything that is not from Islamic references?

gaskiyamagana:
Dear brother in Islam
Bother not answering him or arguing with him.
You must have suspected that his posts from multiple Christianized fake Islamic sites full of fake Hadiths and doctored or porported Islamic sources, with selection of some of us muslims is a plan, an internet war. To me the best way to handle him is that any time he posted his jargons, give him shorted reply and throw at him A WEAKNESS OR BAD ABOUT CHRISTIANITY from Hammed Deedat books or from the SERMONS OF ISLAM- CHRISTIAN COMPARATIVE MUSLIM LECTURERS.

I didn't Quote any Hadith today sir. I used your Qur'an and traditions.

In which area was I in error, I'll like to be corrected!

Ahmed Deedat is a good friend of mine through his books. I nearly RECITED the shahada in my 200 Level because I read ALMOST all his books.

It was contradictions and inconsistencies in the Qur'an that stopped me. I went to do more research on both Islam and Christianity.

This was how TenQ who knows both Islam and Christianity was born.

So, bring anything from Ahmed Deedat or better still Zakir Naik . Let me floor them both in your presence!


Cc: drLateef

gaskiyamagana:
CHRISTIAN SCHOOL OF ISLAMIC MISGUIDED
COURSE CODE : CRS 6940
COURSE TITLE : MUHAMMAD QUR'AN
OBJECTIVE : AT THE END OF THE LESSON
WITH MISINTERPRETATION,
STUDENTS WITH POOR / BASIC
KNOWLEDGE OR ENEMY OF
ISLAM, WILL BE ABLE TO AGREE
THAT MUHAMMAD AUTHORED
QUR'AN LIKE KING JAMES.
SUSPICION: A CRITICAL STUDENTS , AT THE
THE END OF THE LESSON, WILL
BE SUSPICIOUS THAT WE DON'T
HAVE MUHAMMAD QUR'AN
LIKE KING JAMES BIBLE.

Thank you for the free advertising!

However, I would have preferred that you answered the questions instead.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?

Lukuluku69:
Go give your head a wobble

Awnn!

LOL!

Questions:
1. Did Jubril make a mistake in the order of recitation of the Qur'an to Mohammed?

2. Did Jubril forget some parts of the Qur'an which on remembering had to insert?

Unless these two questions are answered convincingly, whatever you say is mere wishes!

Lukuluku69:
As usual, all over the place.

Allah don't talk to individuals but Chosen Souls. His Prophets! The Disciples were not Prophets, so Allah couldn't have "talked" to them. The Disciples had a living Prophet amongst them in the form of Isa the son of Mary.

Whatever he told them, they follow. To think that Allah will now send other Angels to tell them what transpired is not only foolish but moronic. They heard their Prophet, if they play fast and loose with their message, their problems!

Allah raised another Nation/People to supplant them. Very simple.

So, Allah is Generic for Deity? Good to know.

No wonder your man-god was calling on that generic name when he was strung up.

Read other Accounts in many Gospels, you will see that All of them have a different sides to the same story. The ones you have is/was influenced by Paul take over.

Let me keep it very simple (I responded only to your insinuations)

1. Allah told Jubril to recite the Qur'an to Mohammed.
2. Mohammed CHANGED the order of narration of the Qur'an to Muslims
3. Mohammed RE-ORDERED the placement of verses in the Qur'an
4. There is not on shred of evidence to show that Allah INSTRUCTED or gave PERMISSION for Mohammed to RE-ORDER his speech
5. There is evidence from the Qur'an that the book is the word of Mohammed himself, thus, if the Qur'an is his book, he has every right to modify it the way he likes.

Did Jubril make a mistake in the order of recitation of the Qur'an to Mohammed?

Did Jubril forget some parts of the Qur'an which on remembering had to insert?

Unless these two questions are answered convincingly, whatever you say is mere wishes!

drlateef:
You have concocted your own meaning to the verse. You see why if bible had been left in its original language till today, many if the fake translation would not have happened.

Quran 69:40

“Indeed, this ˹Quran˺ is the recitation of a noble Messenger.”

Recitation is different from “words “. I hope that clears your mind. Quran is revealed by Allah. And the messenger recites it to believers just as it was revealed to him.

You are welcome drLateef,

The bible is available freely online in the original Languages if you are interested . LOL!



Unfortunately, your Islamic scholars have executed their Taqqiya on you therefore, let me help you out

1. The word لَقَوْلُ (laqawuu) does not in ANYWAYS translate to recitation. It is a word which is used as to say OR say OR saying OR words OR utterance

See Attachment 1.

2. The Word recitation in Arabic can be written in 8 different ways such as show to you in attachment 2 AND لَقَوْلُ is NOT among

3. Your Interlinear Translation from Qur'an.com accurately translate لَقَوْلُ as surely the words of a noble Messanger.

So you see that the interpretation of Qur'an 69:40 is NOT my own but your Islamic book

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.


Tell whoever Scholar that told you by Taqqiya that لَقَوْلُ means recitation that he is a big fat LIAR

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?



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How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the logic of Islam's Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




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Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker

Lukuluku69:
Is that what you can deduce from that Article?

Is the Holy Spook not in the business of inspiration and ordering you Christians lives and thoughts again?

Was it the same Holy Spook, the 3rd In a Trinity that inspired those Christians to use the name Allah instead of Jehovah/Yahweh/Eloha/Elohim/Eloi?

Did Allah not create Christianity?

1. Were the Jews reporting exactly what they did to Jesus?
2. Did the Christians report exactly what they saw happend to Jesus?
3. Did Allah (who hid the fact that he replaced Jesus with someone who looked exactly like him) say anything to Jesus's followers till after 600 years about what actually happened.
4. We've asked you a 1000 times, why did Allah deceived the Disciples of Jesus, His mother and his followers?
Do you have a response?




All Aramaic speakers know that Allah is a GENERIC term that mean DEITY!
There is nothing Islam can do about that.


And we have shown you that the name of the Dirty of the Muslims is actually LAH!

AntiChristian:
Now i understand the reason Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 1:25

For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom!

Now you are saying the same God's wisdom can be equated to man's foolishness!

We hereby conclude that Paul's foolishness = The Christian God's Inspiration!

Christianity is an absurd mathematics!
Just as 1+1+1=1

Nothing ever adds up!

Thank you!

You can read up the scripture anyhow you like: simple English language bails us out.

We are struggling to know if Al-Lah and Mohammed is one person, unfortunately every fact points in this direction.

Islam and STRAWMAN arguments is five and six.

Where have you found in
Christianity the absurd mathematics!
Just as 1+1+1=1

We've asked you to explain till tomorrow how
Jesus is the Spirit of Allah
Jesus is the Word from Allah
Jesus is a Messanger of Allah all at the same time as we know that the word of Allah is not the same as the spirit of Allah and neither is a human being a spirit and a word from Allah!

I have challenged you to come and answer how the Qur'an was EDITED by Mohammed without Authorisation from Allah BUT you hide from it.

Is it too tough a nut for you to crack?

Lukuluku69:
You can twist it anyhow you want. It doesn't matter to me/us.

Your thinking is yours only and if you ask your question and did not get the responses after your fancy, e no concern me/us.

There is enough hows and why in your Faith to be bothered about, that you choose not to go after them is your business not mine.

Unfortunately, you have not even answered just ONE of the questions post not to speak of answering them according to our fancies.


If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?

Lukuluku69:
Very funny.

A Polytheist questioning a Monotheist.

You have Data and a Device. Use it and search for a MONOTHEIST AND A PLOYTHEIST.

I guess I should write about the seeming Oneness of Allah so that we all learn.

It's not by word of mouth but with Islamic literatures would this be done.


Sneek preview:
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah,
the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

So, even if Allah disagree with us, according to we Christians, the Messiah is NOT a partner of Allah: The Messiah is God Himself!

Except there is a serious contradiction within the Qur'an

Like I said:
I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!
Thank you!

Lukuluku69:
The Prophet made the arrangements as it is. He is the One inspired. Our responsibility is to "Hear and Obey".

And before you ask when he made the arrangements, the Quran is read Daily at least 5 times in a day.

So, you are not in error when you noticed the arrangements. We don't question Prophets unnecessarily. We Muslims don't question it because the arrangements came from our Prophet.

So, rest. If you ask from now till when you man-god is supposed to come back, it doesn't cut any ice with the Muslims but you might have a field day with you fellow man-worshippers.
...
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You as Muslims may not Question your prophet but we Christians do.
Why?
You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

[color=ref]Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?[/color]


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Lukuluku69:
The Prophet made the arrangements as it is. He is the One inspired. Our responsibility is to "Hear and Obey".

And before you ask when he made the arrangements, the Quran is read Daily at least 5 times in a day.

So, you are not in error when you noticed the arrangements. We don't question Prophets unnecessarily. We Muslims don't question it because the arrangements came from our Prophet.

So, rest. If you ask from now till when you man-god is supposed to come back, it doesn't cut any ice with the Muslims but you might have a field day with you fellow man-worshippers.

Thanks for being Truthful on this.
I will come back to it after dealing with your claim of Prophet Isaiah

Lukuluku69:
By the way, the Isaiah I quoted talked about a Book that will be delivered to an "Unlearned individual" where precept will be upon precept, line will be upon line, a little here and a little there" meaning similar precept will follow, similar ideas will be after each other and LITTLE HERE AND A LITTLE THERE meaning seemingly unrelated matters will come after each other..... It is all part of the DESIGN OF THAT BOOK.

But it doesn't mean a thing to you because you don't believe in that Book that doesn't make a Disbelieve in it for others.

My Problem with Muslim apologists is that they all do copy-paste when a person they think is knowledgeable writes something about the bible that they think support the claim of Islam.

Let me educate you starting from
WHO?
Isa 29:1-3:
"Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelled! add you year to year; let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be to me as Ariel. And I will camp against you round about, and will lay siege against you with a mount, and I will raise forts against you."

Here, God pronounces Judgement on Jerusalem and the fact that they would be besieged all around them.

WHY?

Isa 28:7-8:
"But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean."

Because the leaders of Jerusalem have gotten themselves intoxicated and their character is like vomit and filthiness

WHAT?
Isa 28:9-11:
"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

Here God speaks of the enslavement of Jerusalem since with all the care they have received from God, they (the Leaders of Jerusalem) have refused to learn. Therefore, by force they would learn from their Captors who would be of strange tongues little by little, step by stem in a language they barely understand.

ADDRESSEE:
Isa 28:14:
"Why hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem."

The Lord God made it clear who He speaks about: the LEADERS of Jerusalem!

THE JUDGEMENT OF JERUSALEM:
Isa 29:1-7:
"Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelled! add you year to year; let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel , and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be to me as Ariel. And I will camp against you round about, and will lay siege against you with a mount, and I will raise forts against you. And you shall be brought down, and shall speak out of the ground, and your speech shall be low out of the dust, and your voice shall be, as of one that has a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and your speech shall whisper out of the dust. Moreover the multitude of your strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passes away: yes, it shall be at an instant suddenly. You shall be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire. And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her fortification, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision."

God says to JERUSALEM (Ariel) even if they make sacrifices to plead for atonement, He would not listen to them, their calamity must surely befall them.

JERUSALEM WILL NOT REPENT TILL GOD JUDGES THEM:
Isa 29:10-12:
"For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers has he covered. And the vision of all is become to you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray you: and he said, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray you: and he said, I am not learned."

God says that the reason why they would not change before their calamity is because God has covered their eyes AND the eyes of their Seers such that EVEN when they READ the prophecy of their CALAMITY, it will NOT make any sense to them.


So my friend Lukuluku69,
I don't know where Mohammed or Islam comes into the picture of these prophecy. You may be able to explain how!
The prophecy had even been fully EXECUTED. The Isrealites spent 70 years in slavery in Babylon and the Isrealites returned back

According to the prophecy of Isaiah, the destruction of Jerusalem was accomplished by the Babylonian Empire in 586 BC. Isaiah prophesied that Jerusalem would be destroyed and its inhabitants would be taken into captivity by a foreign power, which was fulfilled when the Babylonians, under the leadership of King Nebuchadnezzar, conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple.

1. There is NO book to be delivered by ANY unlearned individual
2. It is good you realise that the Qur'an speaks of seemingly unrelated matters. This is simply because by revelation it probably had some semblance to related order BUT by the magic of reordering and rearrangement, it lost every apparent sense of correlation

I challenge you to show specifically where prophet Isaiah says:
A Book will be delivered to an "Unlearned individual"

Lukuluku69:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/malaysia-highest-court-allah-bible-ban

The Christians? Forever lost. Allah is not God but a Court had to stop you from using the name Allah in your Bible

I guess the Holy Spook was on holiday inspiring you guys?

You forgot that Allah created Christianity: didn't he?

Lukuluku69:
TENQ don't you care to know more about Islam from your Bible?

It is quite different from the dross you have been fed with all these years?

My job is to make you go above the present brainwashing type of reasoning and liberate you. Thousands are being freed daily all over the world by seeing the Lights of Islam and taking the Shahada.

Don't you want to join in the worldwide brotherhood where the Worship of The One True God is worshipped sincerely?

Allah never described himself as One God: he described himself as "One Of", I don't know where you got one God from. But let's leave this till another day.

Islam in the Bible!?

I've been thoroughly disappointed with what you Muslim "dawahrsits" claim in the Bible represent Islam and Mohammed. You betray your gross IGNORANCE of logic, with the culture and the religion of the Jews in all your make-believe verses. But since you are a scholar of Islam, you can create a thread on it and I will join you.

Isn't the Shahada itself association of a sinful human being with the name and knowledge of God? I think I've asked the question before:
Can I become a Muslim without the shahada Associating Mohammed with Allah?
The answer was a resounding NO!


I worship the ONE God who is the Self-Existing , Ever-Living, All-powerful, Omnipresent and ONLY Creator of EVERYTHING!

You are the one who should question who you worship!

Lukuluku69:
Are you ready to be weaned?

Of course, that is why I asked you knowledgeable Muslims on Nairaland. Since not all Muslims know about this, it is an opportunity to show them that TenQ is wrong as usual.


Like I said:
Christians like me are confused because instead of explanations, Muslims just give rhetorics which does NOT explain WHY

The Question of WHY is the Most Important Question!



Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England

Lukuluku69:
No error just confused.

You are confused.

Tomes exists on the arrangements of the Chapters and verses. Search for them and read.

Maybe the reasons for the re-arrangement doesn't go with reasons backing them up, hence my three questions.

And I asked:
If I made any errors , correct me please

Mr Lukuluku69,
Don't you care to know some truths about Islam?

I know it is different from the lessons your Scholars would knowingly teach you but, I am your friend not an enemy.

My job is to make you go above Memorising rhetorics but getting to the level of compression.

I am your friend, not an enemy!