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Lukuluku69:
No he wanted to eat Banana with Swords

So, what's your problem!?

Can we look at this man who could say to us "Your Money or your Life" in the name of his God.

1. How is he different from an Armed Robber?
2. Is money equivalent to Salvation in Islam?

Lukuluku69,
Is the work by Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi another Fabrication by Islamic agents?

Lukuluku69:
Oga, your man-god ordered for swords, Two were presented IMMEDIATELY ( Meaning that they have carried them all along perhaps anticipating issues that requires usage) imagine, going about and shouting " repent for the kingdom of god is at hand" but all the while carrying Swords!

That TWO were enough was simply because Jesus never thought the Roman Soldiers would come along but the usual Jewsih Riff raff of a mob. He will always beat them silly. He beat them at the Temple with just Ropes made into a whip.

No matter how you dress it, your man-god is a Sword wielder like Moses, David, Solomon and man other Prophet of God.

That he made a volte face and ordered that Swords be put away was to avoid a massacre of his sleeping disciples. Had there been a fight, the Romans would have massacred them all.

Okay!
So Jesus wanted them to FIGHT: right?

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Jesus was speaking in Parables abi? Why then didn't he told them there and then that PHYSICAL SWORDS was not what he meant but his response was " it is enough"

Also, when you read the narratives with your brain cells working at all ( that is if they work) you will notice that Jesus took the TWO DISCIPLES BEARING SWORDS into the inner Chambers at Gethsemane while the remaining Non Arm bearing ones were left at the outside Chambers to do what? WATCH AND PRAY. But they had too much to eat and couldn't keep awake, ( Jesus had to check on them a couple of times but they were all dozing)

After he told ALL of them to buy a sword

Luk 22:36-37:
"Then said he to them, But now, he that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his money: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say to you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end."

Then suddenly, two swords were okay!?


No wonder, the core doctrine of Christians is to kill Muslims wherever we find them

Lukuluku69:
They (The Watchers) are the FIRST LINE OF DEFENCE while the Guys with the SWORDS are the LAST LINE.

The first line was breached( Dozing lots) and the Second Line responded by looping off a Soldier ear! So, na Word of God dey cut ear? In that case most of you should be earless with the amount of God s words una don hear na

When a Muslim watches too much Movies especially "Lord of the Rings"


Then, you'll be well versed as to explain this apparent contradiction from the Words of Christ

Mat 26:52:
"Then said Jesus to him, Put up again your sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

Apparently, Jesus want to kill his Disciples! Abi!?



I've been waiting for you:
Why did someone doctor the Qur'an by inserting Rahman in the earlier revealed Surahs of the Qur'an?
Or your scholars are fabricating history of the Qur'an again?

gaskiyamagana:
What is dis wan saying?

I am saying exactly what your EARLIEST SCHOLARS are saying about ISLAM!

Are they UNTRUE?

Here is the work of Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi again!

Qur'an 17:110
Say to them (O Prophet!): "Call upon Him as Allah or call upon Him as al-Rahman; call Him by whichever name you will, all His names are beautiful. Neither offer your Prayer in too loud a voice, nor in a voice too low; but follow a middle course."



The earliest and the most important work on the history of the verses of the Qur'an is undoubtedly Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation" of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). al-Wahidi mentions occasions of about 570 verses out of 6236 verses of the Quran.

* تفسير Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
(Say (unto mankind): Cry unto Allah, or cry unto the Beneficent…) [17:110]. Said Ibn ‘Abbas: “One night in Mecca, The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, stood up for the night vigil prayer. He kept saying in his prostration: ‘O Beneficent, O Merciful!’ (Rahman Raheem); And so the idolaters said: ‘Muhammad used to call unto one Allah; now he is calling unto two gods: Allah and the Beneficent (Al-Rahman).

We do not know of anyone by the name of the Beneficent except the Beneficent of al-Yamamah (meaning Musaylimah the liar)’, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”.
Said Maymun ibn Mihran: “At the beginning of revelation, the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give peace, used to write 'In Thy name, O Allah’ until this verse was revealed (Lo! It is from Solomon, and lo, it is: In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful) [27:30], after which he always wrote ‘In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful’. The Arab idolaters then commented: ‘We know this Merciful but who is the Beneficent?’ As a response, Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Said al-Dahhak: “The people of the Book said to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace: ‘You mention very little the Beneficent and yet Allah mentions this name in the Torah in abundance’.

https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?

What is the jargon in showing you what YOUR OWN religious books say about Islam?

Are you saying that:
Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation" of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). al-Wahidi is a LIE?

gaskiyamagana:
Continues wasting your time. It is a fool, if not mad to dare saying, let alone writing jargons that Qur'an is dis and dat like your New Version, Revised, Standard etc Bibles.

It seems your knowledge of Islam is not more than what you've been spoon fed with.

A. tell me which is the Qur'an of Allah
There are at present more than 30 different Arabic versions of the Koran in circulation. The five main versions are.

1) Hafs Quran, 95% General Muslim World.
2) Warsh Quran 3% Algeria, morocco
3) Qaloon Quran .7% Libya
4) Dooree Quran .3% Sudan +West Africa
5) Ibn Aamir Quran 1% Yemen.
At least both are ALL Arabic: which of them is the Qur'an of Allah in tablets in heaven?





B. Here, I present to you a list of 20 well-known English translations of the Qur'an:

1. Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation
2. Sahih International translation
3. Muhammad Asad translation
4. Pickthall translation
5. Arberry translation
6. Talal Itani translation
7. Marmaduke Pickthall translation
8. Shakir translation
9. Abdul Majid Daryabadi translation
10. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan translation
11. Yusuf Ali - Revised Edition translation
12. Abdul Haleem translation
13. Faridul Haque translation
14. Abdullah Yusuf Ali - Modern English translation
15. Umm Muhammad translation
16. Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah translation
17. Ahmed Ali translation
18. N. J. Dawood translation
19. George Sale translation
20. Aisha Bewley translation

Do you need more English translations?

vannessa7:
I did not refer to christianity but islam which you proclaim to be satanic without any basis. FYI every Muslim is also a christian, we Muslim own three books of God, the old testament, (Torah), the new testament,(ingeel), and the Quran, God said he sent all those books and we must believe in them to. So Muslim has no doubt that God originated christianity and the power of God is in it, but it's the many errors introduced into the bible through the various interpretations and also human angle viewpoints in it that we are warned to beware of, also the same way the covenant of judaism, old testament, is different from that of christianity, new testament, is the same way the covenant of islam Quran is different. I wrote about the very many miracles I experienced as a christian, I don't think you really went through all my write-up before replying because I never said there is no power of God in christianity.

As for saying practicing islam is like occult, that's just the product of a lazy mind, you think if we are in a court of law your submissions will just be accepted without verification even when you refused to believe or accept the voice of experience. You are living in fantasy, your ignorance will not make the truth go away.

Here vanessa7 is forming Islam keyboard Jihadist... unfortunately, she blocked her eyes and ears to EVIDENCES that prove that Islam is a Cult of Mohammed.

A chicken in battery cage is speaking to birds flying about her.

She says:
I don't have to look for food everyday like you. Since I entered this cage, I've been well fed and watered

Just come and join me for three months and you'll see that your life will go without stress

If only the chicken know that she has traded her life and freedom for food!


I still invite you to the Messiah!

Learn of Islam not from the lies you are fed with. I hope you've not drank hantu from your Alfa husband?
Taqqiya is allowed in his religion!

Mr AntiChristian,
Here is the work of Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi again!



Qur'an 17:110
Say to them (O Prophet!): "Call upon Him as Allah or call upon Him as al-Rahman; call Him by whichever name you will, all His names are beautiful. Neither offer your Prayer in too loud a voice, nor in a voice too low; but follow a middle course."



The earliest and the most important work on the history of the verses of the Qur'an is undoubtedly Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation" of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). al-Wahidi mentions occasions of about 570 verses out of 6236 verses of the Quran.

* تفسير Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
(Say (unto mankind): Cry unto Allah, or cry unto the Beneficent…) [17:110]. Said Ibn ‘Abbas: “One night in Mecca, The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, stood up for the night vigil prayer. He kept saying in his prostration: ‘O Beneficent, O Merciful!’ (Rahman Raheem); And so the idolaters said: ‘Muhammad used to call unto one Allah; now he is calling unto two gods: Allah and the Beneficent (Al-Rahman).

We do not know of anyone by the name of the Beneficent except the Beneficent of al-Yamamah (meaning Musaylimah the liar)’, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”.
Said Maymun ibn Mihran: “At the beginning of revelation, the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give peace, used to write 'In Thy name, O Allah’ until this verse was revealed (Lo! It is from Solomon, and lo, it is: In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful) [27:30], after which he always wrote ‘In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful’. The Arab idolaters then commented: ‘We know this Merciful but who is the Beneficent?’ As a response, Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Said al-Dahhak: “The people of the Book said to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace: ‘You mention very little the Beneficent and yet Allah mentions this name in the Torah in abundance’.

https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?

sukkot:
A soul is that aspect of you that controls every aspect of you. It is your operating system and stores all the coded information that controls your life. It has the information of when you were born and when you will die as well as all the information of what you would become and who you would marry. And as such it is your operating system that controls your flesh. It is that part of you that exists in another dimension outside and within your flesh . Understand that your flesh is just useless meat of dnA information used to recreate the meat but what brings it all alive is the soul which is electromagnetic energy of information aka your operating system. NOW WHAT IS SPI-RIT ? spi(96)wreath, a spirit is a name that describes one of the actions of the soul. The name SPI-RIT means to DESTROY THE DEAD and so your spirit is that aspect of your soul that is programmed to destroy you because of programmed karma information in your soul. The spirit is like the EXECUTIONER that is in charge of destroying your body. Like all the coded informations of destruction are in the spirit. Like when you get cancers and all kinds of crazy diseases it is the spirit that alters the dna to bring out all these disease states . and so in summary the soul is the operating system while the spirit is that part of the operating system that executes you from within

Where did you get this?
You make simple things extremely complex

AntiChristian:
Of course he is one of the six most respected collectors of Hadith. But he is not an angel. There are Sahih narrations from him as well as Da'if and Mawd'o!

So, he is certainly not a prophet but he can be trusted right!?

My Question 1:
1. Can Muslims please explain how ALMOST all the chapters of the Qur'an except Al-Tawbah including the first 49 Chapters of the Qur'an contain the word Rahman ?

Your Response:

AntiChristian:
This question is "Holly Spirit" Filled as usual. It makes no sense!
All chapters of the Qur'an is recited with Bamallah except Al-Tawbah! Rahman also exists in other verses apart from the Basmallah that begins 113 Chapters of the Qur'an.

Answers at tangent as usual!
The question was not about chapters that contains Rahman BUT
How come the first 49 Chapters revealed had Rahman when it wasn't revealed till the 50th revelation.
E.g.
What is Rahman doing in Al-Fathia the 5th revelatiom?



My Question 2:
2. When did Jubril return to Replace the opening phrase "In Thy name, O Allah" with "In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful" (Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem) in the first 49 Chapters of the Qur'an? (Arabic: 'بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ)

Your Response:

AntiChristian:
Another Holly Spirit question! What is the difference between In your name O Allah aka بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ and In your name O Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate aka بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ When ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ Al-Rahman and Al-Rahim are two among His names?

Tangent response again.
Did Jubril dictated Rahman as part of the Al-Fathia for instance?
How come no one heard of the Rahman until the 50th Revelation Al-Isra (The Night Journey)?

Since the name of Allah "Rahman" wasn't revealed till Al-Isra, when did Jubril go back to edit the revelation?

My Question 3:
3. What is the evidence for authorisation for this change in the Qur'an?

Your Response;

AntiChristian:
No Change! Just that you can't think!

We agree that the Qur'an of Mohammed is a COPY of the Qur'an on the mother tablet in paradise.
If the Qur'an of paradise do not have Rahman until the Al-Isra but the Qur'an of Mohammed has Rahman in chapters earlier that Al-Isra, isn't it obvious that there is a change?


My Question 4:
4. How can we prove that the Rahman of
Al-Yamamah is not the same as the Rahman of Mohammed. Apparently, Al-Yamamah owns the copyright to the name Rahman.

Your Response:

AntiChristian:
Who is Rahman of Al-Yamamah? The only Al-Rahman we know from the Qur'an is Allah. Al-Rahman is one of the names of Allah!

The Book
Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation"wink of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE)
Contradicts you sir.

The idolaters claimed they know ONLY of the Rahman of Al-Yamamah!

AntiChristian:
Below are some places where Al-Rahman is mentioned in the Qur'an as a verse!

1. Surah Al-Fatihah, verse 1: "In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful (Ar-Rahman), the Most Compassionate (Ar-Rahim)."

2. Surah Maryam, verse 58: "Those were some of the prophets on whom Allah bestowed favor from among the descendants of Adam and of those We carried [in the ship] with Noah, and of the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful (Ar-Rahman) were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping."

3. Surah Al-Furqan, verse 60: "And when it is said to them, 'Prostrate to the Most Merciful (Ar-Rahman),' they say, 'And what is the Most Merciful? Should we prostrate to that which you order us?' And it increases them in aversion."

4. Surah Al-Furqan, verse 70: "Except for one who repents, believes, and does righteous work. For those, Allah will replace their evil deeds with good deeds. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful (Ar-Rahman)."

5. Surah Al-Inshiqaq, verse 6: "O mankind, what has deceived you concerning your Lord, the Most Merciful (Ar-Rahman)?"

Thank you, but ALL these Surahs you QUOTED were revealed AFTER Al-Isra the 50th revelation!

Try these for size: these are examples with VERSES of chapters BEFORE the Revelation of Al-Isra
Examples:
Surah Al-Fatihah (Chapter 1), verse 3
Surah Al-Baqarah (Chapter 2), verse 163
Surah Maryam (Chapter 19), verse 58
Surah Ta-Ha (Chapter 20), verse 5
Surah Al-Furqan (Chapter 25), verse 60
Surah Ya-Sin (Chapter 36), verse 3


How do you explain the direct inclusion of Rahman in these verses?

AntiChristian:
Of course you do tell lies! I still remember the lie of Allah = Al plus Lah and many others!
Can't the source be a fabrication?
Don't we have Da'if narrations?
Have you guys never copied before?

I laugh in Hindi!

Lies with evidence showed!?
Are Arabic and Hebrew not both Semitic languages?

1. Al (Arabic) = El (Hebrew) = DEITY
Therefore Al-Lah (Deity -Lah or God -Lah)
2. Didn't I also showed you from your Qur'an why it is written
Bismilah rather than Bismi Allah?
And other examples.
Please don't go there now, refer to our past conversation. It is not deleted!
LOL!

You know how interesting it is when you Muslims claim your religious book is Fabricated, Weak or Good?

1. An Islamic cleric when preaching in the Mosque will quote this same Fabricated and Weak Sources for the Muslim ummah with everyone nodding in amazement - Allahu-akbah! When we use the same source, you protest
2. Why publish them when the documents are not trustworthy: are they not your own religious books?
3. Why were they accepted by your greatest scholars in the past
4. Why is it that any Source you don't like, the first automatic response is to reject it?

You copy EVERYTHING Lime , Hook and Sinker from Lukas: do you see us complaining? (Thank goodness at least you reference it).

Don't you think it would be nice to know where TenQ copies his Dawa from? LOL!

AntiChristian:
I know its limit and I understand the outputs better!

It's okay for us both then!

AntiChristian:
Al-Rahman is one of the names of Allah! He has many lofty names. So why can't He place His name anywhere He wishes in the entire Qur'an?
I still don't understand your question!

Can we VALIDLY replace the Shahada with

"There is no God but Allah Al-Rahman, and Muhammad is his messenger." ?

If we can do this replacement, please give me a VALID example proof.


I have never disputed with you that Allah is not Al-Rahman: this is according to all Islamic sources

My Argument was that
1. The name Rahman was NOT part of the Revelation of the Qur'an in the first 49 Chapters .

2. How come we NOW find the name Rahman in verses revealed prior to Qur'an Chapter 50?

3. Was Rahman part of the Revelation of the Qur'an in the first 49 Chapters of the Qur'an?
Give me Evidence if this is true!

AntiChristian:
Since whenever we answer you keep saying we are telling lies, Artificial Intelligence won't tell lies nor be partial!

Actually, when we Quote your sources for you,
It's either
1. You claim we are lying
2. The source is a Fabrication
3. The source is Daif
4. We have Copy-pasted from Christian apologists websites
etc

Why don't we just focus only on your religious books?

AntiChristian:
Since whenever we answer you keep saying we are telling lies, Artificial Intelligence won't tell lies nor be partial!

If you have been using ChatGPT well, you know that sometimes it gives a very wrong information. Information from it need to be verified sometimes!

Secondly, AI can be very partial my friend. It looks like these people have some certain PHOBIAS of offending especially Islam that they have programmed the AI to provide ONLY the nicest things about the religion. The same is observable with Google-translate.

Some months ago, I tried to show you where the verse of
"Allah and his Angels send blessings to the Messanger "
was translated as
"Allah and his Angels send blessings to the Messanger "

A simple replacement of names in the verse however gives you the correct interpretation.

https://www.nairaland.com/7335980/does-quran-use-special-arabic


You can try these question with ChatGPT:
1. Is Prophet Mohammed more influential than Jesus?
2. Is Barrack Obama more influential than Muhamadu Buhari
3. List at least one morally bad things Prophet Mohammed did in his lifetime
4. List two morally bad things Adolf Hitler did in his lifetime

You will see that the AI is trained to avoid especially religious conflicts by sitting on the fence.

AI is good for general information which may be confirmed from other sources except if trivial

AntiChristian:
Al-Rahman was mentioned about 31 times in the Qur'an and one Surah goes by that name!
Surah Al-Rahman is the 55th Surah and the first verse starts with Al-Rahman!

I don't have problems with chapters revealed AFTER Qur'an 17. I only have problems with chapters revealed before it

I guess I should help you with examples of Surahs containing Al-Rahman that preceded Surah 17. I have ignored the headers of the Surahs to make things easy

Examples:
Surah Al-Fatihah (Chapter 1), verse 3
Surah Al-Baqarah (Chapter 2), verse 163
Surah Maryam (Chapter 19), verse 58
Surah Ta-Ha (Chapter 20), verse 5
Surah Al-Furqan (Chapter 25), verse 60
Surah Ya-Sin (Chapter 36), verse 3


How do you explain the direct inclusion of Rahman in these verses?

Thanks

Attached is a screenshot of the Al-Fathia

AntiChristian:
Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi, also known as Ali ibn Ahmad al-Shafi'i, was a prominent Islamic scholar who lived in the 12th century CE and is known for his work on "Asbab al-Nuzul." He authored a well-known book titled "Kitab Asbab al-Nuzul," which is considered one of the earliest and most significant works on the subject.

The reliability of al-Wahidi's "Kitab Asbab al-Nuzul" is generally recognized by Islamic scholars and researchers, although there may be varying opinions on specific details or interpretations. Al-Wahidi was a renowned scholar of his time and had expertise in various fields, including Quranic exegesis and hadith (sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad). He drew upon earlier sources, including the works of earlier scholars and the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, to compile his book on the reasons behind the revelation of Quranic verses.

However, it's important to note that "Asbab al-Nuzul" is not a primary source of Islamic teachings. It is a secondary source that provides insights into the historical context of Quranic verses and should be used in conjunction with other established sources of Quranic exegesis and scholarly consensus. As with any scholarly work, it is always advisable to exercise critical thinking, cross-reference information with other reliable sources, and consult with qualified scholars for a comprehensive understanding of the subject matter.

Thank you for being truthful about the fact that the book is a very important source of information about the Qur'an for Muslims even if it is NOT a primary source of information.

I decided to find other sources for you so that you won't complain that Wahidi was fabricating history for the greatest human being of all mankind prophet Mohammed!

Is the Book
Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation"wink of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE)

Reliable?

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Encyclopedia1:
To understand Islam, you must open ur mind sir. Now, there will be nothing Angel Jubril (Gabriel) will do without the knowledge of Allah. Allah in His Might does what He wills. I’m not a scholar in this field but I’m sure scholars will gladly answer u. Ire ooo

Thank you, do you want me to open my mind to obviously something that is NOT true?

Your Islamic books say that
1. Jubril dictated the Qur'an perfectly as he received it from Allah

2. The Qur'an is a copy of the Qur'an Qur'an on tablets in Paradise and it is ETERNAL (meaning that it had been perfected even before Adam was created)

3. Al-Rahman was NOT part of the Qur'an till Surah Al-Isra


Don't you know that except someone DOCTORED the Qur'an, it is IMPOSSIBLE that the Name Al-Rahman be part of the first 49 Chapters of the Qur'an?

Can you suggest a Scholar on Nairaland to answer this Question?


At least, Mr Encyclopedia1, you have tried your BEST

Lukuluku69, AntiChristian, LegalWolf will keep Quiet now.

I'm still waiting: am sure you were not taught this because you were not expected to know the answer

Encyclopedia1:
The reason why the Basmalah does not appear at the beginning of Soorat at-Tawbah is that the Sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) did not write it at the beginning of this soorah in the Mushaf, following the example of the caliph ‘Uthmaan (may Allah be pleased with him). At-Tirmidhi narrated in as-Sunan that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: “I said to ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan: ‘What made you put al-Anfaal which is one of the Mathaani, next to Baraa’ah [al-Tawbah], which is one of the Mi’een? Why did you not put the line Bismillaah ir-Rahmaan ir-Raheem in between them when you put it at the beginning of the rest of al-Sab’ al-Tiwaal [the long seven soorahs]?” ‘Uthmaan said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to receive revelation of soorahs with many aayahs. When they were revealed, he would call his scribes and tell them, ‘Put these aayahs in the soorah where such-and-such is mentioned.’ Al-Anfaal was one of the first soorahs to be revealed in Madeenah, and Baraa’ah (al-Tawbah) was one of the last parts of the Qur’aan to be revealed. Its stories were similar to the stories mentioned in al-Anfaal, so it was thought that it was part of it. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was taken [i.e., died] without explaining whether it was indeed part of it, so they were put next to one another, and the line Bismillaahi ir’Rahmaan ir’Raheem was not written between them, and it [al-Tawbah] was put among the Sab’ al-Tiwaal [seven long soorahs].”

End quote from Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah, 4/225

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said: … The correct opinion is that there is no Basmalah between it (Soorat at-Tawbah) and al-Anfaal, because the Basmalah is a verse of the Book of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, and if the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) did not say to put the Basmalah between the two soorahs, they did not put it between them. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is the one who decided and said: Put the Basmalah, and he did not tell them to put the Basmalah between Soorat al-Anfaal and Soorat at-Tawbah, so they did not write it. But it remains to be said: if he did not give instructions to this effect, why is there a separation between it and Soorat al-Anfaal? Why did they not make it one soorah? We say: Yes, they did not make it one soorah because they were uncertain as to whether it was the same soorah as al-Anfaal or they were two separate soorahs, so they said: Let us make a separation between the two soorahs and not write the Basmalah. This is the correct opinion concerning the absence of the Basmalah between Soorat al-Anfaal and Soorat at-Tawbah.

End quote from Liqa’ al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 18

I do honestly appreciate your response to this. You have answered the Question
Why the Basmalah does not appear at the beginning of Soorat at-Tawbah
AND
Why there is no Basmalah between it (Soorat at-Tawbah) and al-Anfaal

Unfortunately, my questions were not about these.

My Questions was about
Why Rahman or Al-Rahman is included in the first 49 Chapters of the Qur'an according to Revelation since the name of Allah Al-Rahman was used FIRST by Mohammed in the 50th Revelation Al-Isra


For example:
Surah Al-Fathia is the 5th Chapter in the Order of Revelation YET, the first verse contain the phrase
"Bismilah Ramani Raheem "

This should not be because the name of Allah Rahman was NOT revealed UNTIL the 50th Revealed Surah Al-Isra


Hence my Questions: :
1. Can Muslims please explain how ALMOST all the chapters of the Qur'an except Al-Tawbah including the first 49 Chapters of the Qur'an contain the word Rahman ?

2. When did Jubril return to Replace the opening phrase "In Thy name, O Allah" with "In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful" (Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem) in the first 49 Chapters of the Qur'an? (Arabic: 'بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ)

3. What is the evidence for authorisation for this change in the Qur'an?

4. How can we prove that the Rahman of
Al-Yamamah is not the same as the Rahman of Mohammed. Apparently, Al-Yamamah owns the copyright to the name Rahman.


Thank you

Mr Lukuluku69
Is Ahmad al-Wahidi telling lies !?

Or as usual, the problem is with TenQ who doesn't understand Islam?

Mr AntiChristian,
I guess you can use ChatGPT to answer the Questions as usual!

Ahmad al-Wahidi may be telling lies you know!?

LOL!

jumpandpas:
Prophet Isaiah was talking about the deliverance of a lawful captive but I want to know who a lawful captive is and how will one know that he or she is a lawful captive?


Isaiah 49:24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty,
or the lawful captive delivered?


25 But thus saith the Lord,
Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away,
and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered:
for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee,
and I will save thy children.





mynd44 lalasticlala OAM4J

1. Who is a Lawful Captive:
A Lawful captive is one whose enslavement is by a contract!

Eg.
1. He sold himself (knowingly or unknowingly) to his task master
2. He was sold by one who has authority over him

2. Can a Lawful Captive know he is such,:
Yes and No as it doesn't matter when he doesn't know the terms of his contract.

He may know in part if he sold himself, but usually he can't even know the full term of his contract.

Eg
Untill Adam and Eve's eyes were opened, they never knew the full magnitude of what their contract with satan will cause them.

3. Who can set the Captive Free?
The Blood of Jesus is ENOUGH to break ANY chain of the captive and even take the task master captive.


4. How does a person know if he's a Captive?
Any one who notices patterns of limitations in areas of his life should pray prayers of FAITH

enilove:
It is not everyone that wants to worship the true God.
Some want the kind of God that allows them to continue in their own wickedness and still go to heaven. That is what majority of Muslims want.
And even many christians.

They are not keen or interested in knowing the true God and His ways.
They love the religion where they will be lied to , because they don't want to feel remorse for their evil deeds .
They love their evil ways. They love their enslavement.
They are slaves that love their chains.

God is saving some of them who found themselves in that bondage and are ignorant of their religion.
When they are told the truth, they change and leave it quickly because they want to serve the true God.

The way things work on the spiritual is that satan can only try to persuade people off the TRUE God by giving them REASONS and may provide a conducive ENVIRONMENT for it.

However, satan CANNOT force anyone. He needs the full cooperation of people to reject God.

We still need to pray for them for the grace of freedom from satan and their eventual salvation in Christ Jesus

Nazgul:
One thing I was made to understand about that kind of environment is that people living there hardly prosper...I may be wrong though na hear I hear am.

That's not true.

Young people starting out have a place close to their job or hustle place.

But don't stay long. It's just a stepping stone

Ken4Christ:
What is most shocking to me is for most of them to know that they are heading in the wrong direction and still can't make a u-turn to rescue their souls.

This is the trademark of Satanic enslavement. This is why we should always pray for Muslims.

Even when they steal, kill and destroy, they feel it is noble since these is done in the name of Allah!

AntiChristian:
Chat GPT has your answer!
Your Holly Spirit is not Holy enough to interpret our Texts!
Hollywood!

I actually consult prophet Google (PBUH)!

The book is your book!
Muslims scholars all over reference them daily.

Whenever you now don't like a truth, you deny them


Can you proof to me that al-Tirmidhi is NOT a respected scholar of Islam?

enilove:
Islam without lies dies.

Of course, without lies both to themselves and to others, their pack of cards of lies scatters without hope for redemption.

This is why they must keep on manufacturing new lies everyday!

EVIDENCE:
1. Muslims agree that the order of the Qur'an as it is is very different from the order of Revelation. Meaning Al-Fathia is NOT the first revelation of Allah and Al-Naas is NOT the last Chapter.

2. The correct order of Revelation of the Qur'an is
1st Al-'Alaq (The Clot) 96
2nd Al-Qalam (The Pen) 68
3rd Al-Muzzammil (The Enshrouded One) 73
4th Al-Muddathir (The Cloaked One) 74
5th Al-Fatihah (The Opener) 1
6th Al-Masad (The Palm Fiber) 111
7th At-Takwir (The Overthrowing) 81
8th Al-A'la (The Most High) 87
9th Al-Layl (The Night) 92
10th Al-Fajr (The Dawn) 89
11th Ad-Dhuhaa (The Morning Hours) 93
12th Ash-Sharh (The Relief) 94
13th Al-'Asr (The Declining Day) 103
14th Al-'Adiyat (The Courser) 100
15th Al-Kawthar (The Abundance) 108
16th At-Takathur (The Rivalry in World Increase) 102

etc.

3. Today, we will look at the 50th Chapter according to Revelation
50th Al-Isra (The Night Journey)
i.e. Qur'an 17:110.

Qur'an 17:110
Say to them (O Prophet!): "Call upon Him as Allah or call upon Him as al-Rahman; call Him by whichever name you will, all His names are beautiful. Neither offer your Prayer in too loud a voice, nor in a voice too low; but follow a middle course."

This verse was revealed to Mohammed because
1. The Meccans for the First time heard Mohammed calling Allah by the name Al-Rahman. They were wondering if Mohammed is introducing another God other than Allah to them because for the first time in years, they heard Mohammed speaking of Al-Rahman (the Beneficent)

2. The only person they know who mentions the name of his god as Al-Rahman was a man called Al-Yamamah

3. Prior to this time, the beginning of every Surah of the Qur'an was preceded with In Thy name, O Allah’ UNTIL this verse was revealed.

4. Mohammed's response through Allah was that ALL beautiful names are for Allah. In other words, Allah does not have only one name.


5. The earliest and the most important work on the history of the verses of the Qur'an is undoubtedly Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation" of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). al-Wahidi mentions occasions of about 570 verses out of 6236 verses of the Quran.

* تفسير Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
(Say (unto mankind): Cry unto Allah, or cry unto the Beneficent…) [17:110]. Said Ibn ‘Abbas: “One night in Mecca, The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, stood up for the night vigil prayer. He kept saying in his prostration: ‘O Beneficent, O Merciful!’ (Rahman Raheem); And so the idolaters said: ‘Muhammad used to call unto one Allah; now he is calling unto two gods: Allah and the Beneficent (Al-Rahman).

We do not know of anyone by the name of the Beneficent except the Beneficent of al-Yamamah (meaning Musaylimah the liar)’, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”.
Said Maymun ibn Mihran: “At the beginning of revelation, the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give peace, used to write 'In Thy name, O Allah’ until this verse was revealed (Lo! It is from Solomon, and lo, it is: In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful) [27:30], after which he always wrote ‘In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful’. The Arab idolaters then commented: ‘We know this Merciful but who is the Beneficent?’ As a response, Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Said al-Dahhak: “The people of the Book said to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace: ‘You mention very little the Beneficent and yet Allah mentions this name in the Torah in abundance’.

https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?


Others who have commented on Qur'an 17:110 in varying details are
1. Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
2. Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
3. Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi