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Lukuluku69:
Isaiah 28:8-12 (KJV) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Can you please explain how your copy-paste relate to the questions.


Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?

2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?

3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

Lukuluku69:
No error just confused.

You are confused.

Tomes exists on the arrangements of the Chapters and verses. Search for them and read.

This is your new strategy!?

Your new strategy takes you nowhere!?


Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?

2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?

3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If indeed the Qur'an is perfectly preserved, how come it looks like wind blew off the pages of the Qur'an and some random guys just helped picked up the papers for binding?

The questions are difficult when more Taqqiya is needed to duct tape what already have holes,!

Lukuluku69:
Calm down, after then type again perhaps it will have some meaning.

What is up there is Latin to me.

O I see!
LOL!

You dodged answering the question!
Why?

Lukuluku69:
Isaiah 28:8-12 (KJV) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

The questions were extremely simple sir.




Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please

How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the Authenticity of the Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




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AntiChristian:
Please cross check the Italicized words! Does Paul relates his opinions to God's inspiration?
I, but not the Lord and I have no command from the Lord for example are definitely not from God entirely but from Paul's human opinion!

Just because you cannot comprehend simple things, let me QUOTE again what I wrote

Because ALL his faculties, intellect, emotion etc is a useful tool in God's hands!
How many times will I need to repeat these?
I even gave you two scriptures for you to chew but, I'm never disappointed with you folks.

AntiChristian:
I never said they were not written by men! Are all Scriptures God-Breathed or all Human thoughts or a blended mix?

Didn't I tell you that you would Shamelessly repeat the question even when the full Response is staring you in the face!?

AntiChristian:
Waoh! You are answering your own question here as I didn't tell you to expatiate on God-Breathe!

If all Scriptures are God Breathe aka Holy Spirit calling the shots why does Paul have to use his opinions in those highlighted cases?

Because ALL his faculties, intellect, emotion etc is a useful tool in God's hands!
How many times will I need to repeat these?
I even gave you two scriptures for you to chew but, I'm never disappointed with you folks.

AntiChristian:
Apostle Paul is the 13th Disciple appointed by Jesus as a Bright light after he left this world!

Premise 1: All Scriptures are God-Breathed!
In 2 Timothy 3:16 Paul said "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

NB: Take note of the Blue portion above



So, are all Scriptures God-Breathed or all Human thoughts or a blended mix?

Shamunn
Enskynelson
TenQ

I can UNDERSTAND you as you think the scripture has to be DICTATED!
Unfortunately, neither the scriptures of the Jews not that of the Christians were Dictated by God. They were ALL written by men in the language and style of men for men. Of course, you can't understand!


The term
All Scriptures are God-Breathed!
mean that all scriptures is directed/inspired/guided by God Himself
AND it has the purpose of being useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

I other words
God uses the faculties of men to speak or write for Him for the purpose of teaching doctrine, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

1Cor 2:16:
"For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

Jesus said:
Mat 10:19-20:
"But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what you shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what you shall speak. For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you."



Summary:
When you are in Christ, EVERY faculty of your being is USEFUL as a TOOL for God. Your mind, your emotions, your sight, your abilities and giftings etc Nothing you have or you are or you have is off limits

I expect you to shamelessly repeat the same question .


Over to you!

AntiChristian:
Please try to have sense whenever you tag me!
My post was in a context which must be taken in totality not in part!

If you are ready you can start from there!

You can't answer simple questions!?
What a shame.

The answer reveals exactly where the Taqqiya is coming from. LOL!

hashtagged:
I have been a strong Christian all my life. I have made some wrong choices but I always come back to my father. That makes me keep wondering what crime or grave sin have I committed to deserve all of this, I can't ever live like others do, all my finances go into health bills. I have been praying every single day to wake up and all would be well. But here I am.

I wonder who told you that what you've done in the past is the cause of your predicament because it isn't to a large extent.

hashtagged:
And I don't believe what you are saying, suicide is not caused by any demon, it's done by those who are tired of living with all the pain in this world, you would never understand until life hits you( I pray you never face what I am facing)

You don't have to believe or know that (a) demon(s) is afflicting you till they finally kill you. Your claim is like saying you don't believe that bacteria is what is causing your disentry.

Your belief or lack of changes NOTHING!

Deal with the source and the problem is terminated.

hashtagged:
I hope God understands I really do.

Do you know Real Warri Pikin?
Her business collapsed. She was owning 22 million with no hope of paying back. Her children sent out of school.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybyx-rAQr04


If only she knew of her future glory, she would not have contemplated suicide as a remote solution to her problems

hashtagged:
I hope God understands I really do.

Demons are the ones who suggests suicide as a way out of human problem. However, what they don't tell you is that they are on the waiting side to receive you and lead you to your destination.

Why do they do this?
1. Your future is bright, but you don't know yet. When you die, your future destination die with you.
2. The purpose of demons is to steal, kill and destroy people, their destinies, their purpose in life, their destination (heaven or hell)


If you are passing through difficult times, it is time to pray serious offensive prayers.

Jam 5:13:
"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms."


Let me ask you these Questions!
1. Are you born again?
2. Do you know how to pray?

hashtagged:
Please religious folks if someone commits suicide will he/she go to hell. If the person is such and in so much pain and can't see a way out?.

You want the whole truth!?

You are on your OWN as nobody knows!

Cases of Suicide differ from each other

AntiChristian:
Allah did not pretend to be God. At least your Arabic Bible and Hausa Bible didn't use another name for God apart from the same "Allah" we use! This are just lies from the pit of hell.


....

1. Is Allah of the Muslims the name of God or it means DEITY?

2. The name of the Deity of the Christian Hausa or Christian Arab is NOT Allah but Yahweh: is the name of the God of Muslims Allah or Yahweh?


A truthful answer to these two questions will either make of break your case!

AntiChristian:
I think its hightime you kept mute on this! Its way above your pay grade!
All Books apart from the Qur'an may be criticized!
Even Sahih Bukhari the next Book after Qur'an is not infallible.

Not to talk of other Scholars!

Abeg rest!

Just say that Al-Wahidi is UNRELIABLE and the case is dismissed


I honestly and truly understand your predicament. Let's call it a day please!

Lukuluku69:
I am glad you admit that your Jesus also went to Hellfire unlike your brother Adejare at Advocatejare who never had of it before in all his life carrying his wornout Bible. So, if this went there and come back, it won't be out of place for me to visit and come back nah.

That said, did David also when to Hellfire? Read from David's Psalm below

Psalms 16:10-11 (KJV) For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

And stop patronizing yourself, you don't have a poser/question that the Muslims can't answer. Your being all over the place doesn't change that fact.

Since you can do miracles, you'll need it to go to hell fire and come back!

Wish you the best.

Lukuluku69:
I never said Jehovah instructed the Europeans to carry out the Crusade, what I said and insinuated was that the Europeans took a CUE from Numbers Chapter 31 when they decided to take back the Land their adopted man-god was murdered according to their superstitions.

And reading Numbers 31 again, you could see that Jehovah instructions to Moses was YOUR LAND, YOUR PROPERTIES AND YOUR LIVES EXCEPT OF COURSE THE YOUNG VIRGIN GIRLS FOR YAHWEH CHILDREN ENJOYMENT AND THAT OF YAHWEH/JEHOVAH HIMSELF

How could they have taken cue to what wasn't addressed to them and is in fact not relevant to them.

I honestly don't care about what you claim about my God. Why should you start weeping if I call you Transgender son of a LovePeddler?
-You are not a transgender
-Your mum is legally married to your father

Irrespective of how much I repeat it: it's just a mere Weightless Campaign of Calumny!

If indeed Allah is True and Correct with his word in the Qur'an
Quran 29:46:
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.'"

The fact that I Do NOT believe in Qur'an 29:46 does absolve you one single bit. Is Qur'an 29:46 False? If it is false according to you probably you are correct and my God needs virgins

Thanks

gaskiyamagana:
Al wahidi is the new robotic input in your brain, surely it will continue to influence you till second coming of Jesus.

gaskiyamagana:
Over to:
Lecturer
CRS 101 : Warsh Quran Versus Hafs Qur'an.
At the end of the teaching , students will have deeper knowledge of how Qur'an was not a match to the lost, long forgotten revealed and original language of Bible as a result of which it was suffering mutilation left, right, centre ; yet Christians are not ashamed.

gaskiyamagana:
Which of the multiple versions?
Chapter?
Verse?
As usual, and I will not be surprised if these 3 questions are dodged and parabulated.

Please go take a rest. You have honestly tried at least to defend Allah, his Messanger and his Religion to the best of your ability.

There is still more to learn about Islam.
Both of us can learn some new Qur'an, Tafsir, Hadith and Arabian science to our hearts delight.

AntiChristian:
I think its hightime you kept mute on this! Its way above your pay grade!
All Books apart from the Qur'an may be criticized!
Even Sahih Bukhari the next Book after Qur'an is not infallible.

Not to talk of other Scholars!

Abeg rest!

I hear you sir!

Anything you dont like from YOUR books must be WEAK or FABRICATIONS

Unfortunately, when we have issues with the Quran, you run to the same Tafsir, Hadith or books from your scholars

How to do prayers in islam is NOT in the Quran
How to fast is NOT in the Quran
The Quran doesn't tell us whether to sleep on or left or right side

We find ALL these and more in the UNRELIABLE set of books you rely on. How can we trust all you do as part of your religion?

KnowledgePower7:
We should go back to amadioha and sango court system.
This court system the whites gave us is too corrupt


Imagine swearing in front of sango to blast whoever stole your mandate.
Your mandate will be returned in 3 days
You can bribe judges
But you can't bribe the gods

Native doctor court system is the only one Nigerians fear and respect.

This judiciary we oyinbo give us na scam
Let's go back to the ways of our ancestors

Who told you that the gods cannot be bribed?

Patapata
1 One Gallon Palm oil
2. One create Local Chicken Eggs
3. One keg of Palm Wine
4. Cowry Shells

What else!?

KnowledgePower7:
We should go back to amadioha and sango court system.
This court system the whites gave us is too corrupt


Imagine swearing in front of sango to blast whoever stole your mandate.
Your mandate will be returned in 3 days
You can bribe judges
But you can't bribe the gods

Native doctor court system is the only one Nigerians fear and respect.

This judiciary we oyinbo give us na scam
Let's go back to the ways of our ancestors

Who told you tht the gods cannot be bribbed?

Patapata
1 One Gallon Palm oil
2. One create Local Chicken Eggs
3. One keg of Palm Wine
4. Cowry Shells

What else!?

[quote author=IyaTola post=122550192][/quote]If only half the allegations is true, he must be a difficult person to live with.

Unfortunately, in Europe, it's a woman's world. It is either you treat your wife well OR she unleashes Government assisted and Legal VIOLENCE on you.

You friend is experiencing this right now.

He has no case o!
It is a loosing battle. The best he can do now is to cooperate

Lukuluku69:
Lol

But Jesus too went to Hellfire nah

ABI your wandering never carry you reach that part of the Bible?

Of course Jesus went to hell before His Resurrection from the dead, so that I wouldn't have to even temporarily go there and to free the captivities
According to your Qur'an, is Jesus in hell or better still, where is He?

At least, it is good you are not denying that you Lukuluku69 will temporarily be in the fire of hell before Mohammed rescue you.

My problem is that the temporary time was not defined. It could be a Taqqiya for a million years or even more o!


My friend, you have tried.

We are both deviating from the topic to other things.

Let's call it a day TEMPORARILY!
I'm sure the temporary will not be in even weeks: it could be a few hours.

Please have a beautiful day sir!

Lukuluku69:
Keep lying to further the glory of your man-god o.

Numbers Chapter 31?

Is it UNTRUE you said this about God instructing the Europeans to invade Palestine?

Lukuluku69:
You don't have to believe in Allah but once your territory falls within the Powers of Muslims, you pay the Tax. How hard is that?

Compared to Jehovah who instructed that Nations and Tribes must be massacred for his children to reach the promised land or his son Jesus who openly told his disciples that "those who would not allow his (Jesus) rule be brought forth and slaughtered"!

Was there any choices?

Did I not show you Numbers 31, 1-2?

In the days of AN EYE for an EYE, the reason for Numbers 31 was VENGEANCE for what the Midianites did against is Israel

Num 31:1-2:
"And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shall you be gathered to your people."


It wasn't a quest for EVANGELISM like the Islamic type where like Armed Robbers, they come to my city and demand
"Your money or your Life!"

gaskiyamagana:
Go and obtain Jamb form, and get admission to college or university to study Islam, not fake teaching centre you are trying hard to create here with your failed -on-arrival mission of misinformation, misrepresentation, misinterpretation and misleading about Islam.

Why should you hate me this much?

I didn't say anything different from what YOUR OWN religious books and literatures have said.

You should be qureling with Al-Wahidi and not me.

Please, let's make it a day untill ANOTHER time. I'll certainly call you. At least, to a point you have tried!

May your Allah reward you of your defence of his religion Islam!

gaskiyamagana:
You don't know him?
He is a FAKE:
Proprietor/Professor
Christian Hatred School of Islamic Studies
NairaLand Study Centre.

AntiChristian!
Come and pickup your brother o!
He says Al-Wahidi is a FAKE

Is this Taqqiya just to win an argument?


Okay, Mr gaskiyamagana:!
Why is Al-Wahidi a fake?
Where are your EVIDENCES!

gaskiyamagana:
According to Jesus, his disciples, holy ghost or holy spirit or Christianity that Qur'an was revealed in 7arabic dialects? Meaning, in your madness, no apology, that Angel Jubril is revealing the Qur'an messages to Muhammad (saw) in 7 Arabic dialects and holy prophet too is communicating them to his followers in the same number of dialects. You need holy deliverance from Islamic antagonism.

LOL!
According to the bible!?

gaskiyamagana:
You scored zero.
This shows that you are tailored or computerize in your argument and hatred for Islam, immediately another input other than that with which you are tailored or computerize are offered you malfunction or dysfunction.

So, why were you afraid of answering these simple questions about the perfectly preserved Qur'an? Are there things you'll like to keep buried?

I give you another opportunity



1. The Qur'an is the Perfect Word of Allah from the mother tablet in paradise perfectly preserved by Allah himself

2. Where is the verses of stoning and ten times breastfeeding of adult male?

3. Where is the Qur'an of Uthman as I know you use that of Hafs?

4. Why are there differences between the Warsh Qur'an and the Hafs Qur'an?
Who authorized the rearrangement of the DICTATED words of Allah? Did Jubril make a mistake in bringing the Qur'an to Mohammed?

5. The Qur'an was revealed in 7 Arabic dialects, what are the dialects and where are the Qur'ans?

AImiron:
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Buy you kept the DIAMOND encrusted GOLD wedding Ring!

SMH!

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Funny somebody.

Hell is for Wrong doers, those who reject Faith and not for Muslims.


The Muslims are promised Paradise, can't you read again ni?

See my post to your brother up their when it comes to the Muslims reward.

I wish you are correct about this but You are WRONG!

1. Allah Guarantees All Muslims to enter the fire
Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in hell fire.
Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees

After ALL you Muslims enter the fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave others in the fire



It is a fixed decree from Allah

Lukuluku69:
Like a Bonobo, our wandering Christian Evangelist don jump

Keep jumping around. Just keep at it.

When you are done go read some of Jehovah instructions to Moses then come here an rationalize it as usual....

And keep your "truth", sufficient for me is Islam

Did you not say that God instructed the Europeans to invade Palestine?

When did God adopt the Europeans as His people?

You have no response than to make another repetition.

Al-Wahidi told some damaging truths you want to deny AT all cost. Dodging it doesn't absolve you for the truth will set you free only when you desire it

AntiChristian:
Of course I am not a scholar and you are even a Taaghut (Criminal/Disbeliever)!
So why should the words of a Taaghut be superior to that word of a believer in Allah as regards the Books of Allah?
I can't write Tafsir and there more recent tafsirs like Ibn Kathir, Jalalayn, At-Tabari, etc.

QED

Therefore, find me ANY Islamic Scholar who reported that Al-Wahidi's commentary of Qur'an 17:110 is DAIF?

If it isn't Daif, you have NO authority to discard it as unreliable!

I am waiting!