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Lukuluku69:
By Allah I never heard of the guy until his issues. That said, the guy gained came via the Media. I did my research on him and it was not as if he was a Scholar of Islam. He was just living off the Media. Those kind of people don't attract my attention really but kids of nowadays. So, I never heard of him. Never.

Several weeks , he was in the news especially propagated by Muslims where he was promoting Islam

Lukuluku69:
And LYING TO ABOUND THE GLORY OF GOD is a Christian thing. Started by Paul and honed over Centuries by Testimonies (Read TESTIMOLIES) We all know the LIES built into your Testimonies. From Pastor this woman cannot walk since 23AD but when she got here she started walking. This Child was Born Deaf and Blind but he mentioned Jesus and the guy start to dey speak Queens English. We all know. Yet, the Pacelli School of the Blind is there no one pay them any visits. Go to Morgues and see people crying over dead relatives, both hound and old, your Pastors that can heal and wake the dead won't go their to abound God's glory but where Dem go do Offerings and pledges, Dem go full there

Even in Jesus time people died in Israel DAILY, He didn't go to raise them up.
Is this a proof that Jesus never raised the dead?

Does this mean that we can represent Islam with the fact that several Muslim Clerics were arrested for using human skull for spiritual work for his client?

https://dailypost.ng/2019/02/05/islamic-cleric-two-others-caught-human-skull-photo/

https://saharareporters.com/2021/12/27/islamic-cleric-found-human-skull-slumps-dies-nigerian-police-custody

https://punchng.com/islamic-cleric-three-others-arrested-with-human-skull-in-ogun/

LordReed:
You basically said a god is a god that is recognised by people in response to the question what is a god or can you differentiate a deity from a god?

You asked:

LordReed:
What is a god?

Here was exactly what I said:

TenQ:
A god is any Deity recognised by people as such!
A god is also anything that guides the core values and deeds of a person!

Your argument was that they are imaginary things an IDEA!

LordReed:
Which in effect is an idea since you are not pointing to an actual thing. So how have you countered my initial response?

Are gods Ideas?

KanuSE:
Aku ìtunu àwè o, any weekend plans?

Me too I wait for you o: what are we using for the celebrations?

wumi2017:
Alhamdulillah 🙏

All I want is my own rice and chicken o!
If you can add Five Alive, I no mind!!

God bless you

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Regale yourself with YouTube videos of those looking to make money off you.

As for those boasting of converts, the Muslims hardly boast nor show off with it, it is usually the Christians who do that for Jesus. They cook up stories with fictitious names and circumstances to win souls for Jesus. Like Paul, they LIE too! As long as it is to the glory of Yahweh. No qualms.

Tell ya Jesus to visit me too, I wan confirm something

The only people who can cook up their hadiths and disrespect their Tafsirs for being fabrications can fabricate ANYTHING!

The case of Andrew Tate is still fresh in my head: you never boast of such?
Where is he now?
LOL!


Since you think the video is AI generated by Christians who need youtube money, how about this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUVJ556bVH4&pp=ygUOYXBvc3RhY3kgaXNsYW0%3D

It is 2 hour long o!
The earlier one was just 3 minutes.
LOL!

Lukuluku69:
Yet he says :

Luke 19:27 (KJV) But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Was it Jesus that said that of his enemies?
Please Educate me?

Lukuluku69:
I don't have to do that, everyone knows a copy and paste when they see one

Then such accusations are mere conjectures UNLESS evidence can be provided: isn't it?

Lukuluku69:
If you hate, it is in your own soul. You suffer that alone within you with all that negative energy.

Even if I want to hate you, Jesus forbid me such low life behaviour

Matthew 5:43-48
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

LordReed:
Which in effect is an idea since you are not pointing to an actual thing. So how have you countered my initial response?

I guessed as much: listen again

A god is any Deity (noun) : not an idea
A god is also Anything (noun) : not an idea

Lukuluku69:
For you to know that Islam answers Basic, Logical queries about our everyday realities, do an internet search on the Numbers of Converts worldwide.

Those that come to Christianity do it because they hear voices in their head, looking for "Fruits" of the wombs, marriages, finances etc.

The more reason why Africa is teeming with them. Go to the Western World and verify.

Jesus already spoke about the apostasy that will happen to the Christians at the close of the age. So nothing surprising
Luke 18:8
...Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?”


Unfortunately, information abound to the AVALANCHE of apostasy befalling the Islamic world.
Muslims have been converting to Christians BUT we don't make noise about it.
One of my Pastors some years ago was a Muslim (Revd Raheem Muftau ...), it is the changed life that makes the difference. Do you know Mosab Hassan Yousef?

Do you want me to give you links of your Muslim Clerics crying about this new problem in Islam?

My ever first convert to the Messiah was a Muslim Corper ( I was a serving in Bauchi state then): he didn't see any vison o! It was Jesus that touched his heart. I didnt even at that time have 1/10th the understanding of the faith I have now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv3G33qTiV4&pp=ygUOYXBvc3Rhc3kgaXNsYW0%3D

Yes, Jesus is visiting some Muslims by compelling Dreams and Visions and by grace they are getting saved. This is good enough for me!

Lukuluku69:
You raised TWO Points.

1. When other come to Islam

2. When others come to Christianity.

I want to address them if you don't mind.

1. When others come to Islam. Contrary to your position, when others come to Islam, 100% of the time, you will hear them say, Islam made Logical sense to their queries about Faith, about Life. They can see the practicability of it's Teachings in everyday life. They can feel it ideas working in their own experience. All over the world not only in Nigeria people who research Faith thru the ages almost always choose Islam. I can go on but let me stop for now.

2. When others come to Christianity. Like you said, they do it thru an experience they alone encounter which others can't verify but solely on their own words alone. Like seeing Jesus, seeing Angels and all sorts. Well, since these are personal encounter, we can verify , we can't measure. Just their words alone.

Now, why is Jesus selective in visiting those individuals alone? He want Salvation for us all, he ought to manifest himself in us all.

Now, Islam call on the human intellect thru a varied means in YOUR OWN SOUL. And when people do that, most time, they choose Islam. Do you know why? It's teachings are Logical, relatable and practicable.

As you can see, Islam cannot answer basic logical questions.

Muslim dawarists present a watered down Islam to people while tearing down the faith of the uneducated in the faith.

After becoming Muslims, they now realize that the Quran is not sufficient, they have to add Hadiths, to the Hadiths, they have to add the Tafsirs, to the Tafsirs, you have to add the Sunnah from hundreds of books (some not even translated into English from Arabic).

Have you notice that Islam accepts EVERYTHING about Christianity that has nothing to do with SALVATION!
BUT Islam Rejects EVERYTHING that is Core to Salvation!

I gave you Muslims opportunity to ask me questions about Christianity didnt I
https://www.nairaland.com/7530442/gospel-explained-muslims

Image123:
Everyone is serving something, you were designed that way. You are either serving the true God or some silly gods like money, satan, self, or something more base. Quit fooling around.

Perfectly said:
Most Atheist submit to the god of self whether they realize it or not!

FxMasterz:
From another perspective, I perceive that she actually knows she has erred. She's troubled by this very fact but rather than repent, she seeks for validation. She wants to keep telling herself that she is doing the right thing and therefore, she looks for every possible permutations to justify her errors.

I think her marriage has complicated things for her.
She has raised her children as Muslims (on their way to hell)
She has tried to make a sense of Islam through her knowledge of basic bible knowledge not knowing that the two are not compartible.
She speaks of the holy Spirit speaking to her not knowing that this is impossible in Islam. God is not a spirit in Islam.
She respects the husband and wouldn't want anything to trouble the marriage.

She is trying to EARN her salvation through good works, good religion and character hoping that God will understand with her piety and save her from hell.

Lukuluku69:
Eid Mubarak more appropriate.

Thanks again:

Truly wishing you a memorable Eid Mubarak!


I strongly believe that people can be totally different in their ideologies and outlook to life but can relate peacefully together and even as friends.

I don't one bit hate or despise Muslims: I only need to see them free from the curse of eternal damnation through Islam.
This is the reason I ask questions and I wish Muslims too will ask questions

Lukuluku69:
And talking about. Inter-faith Dialogue and Debates, I am not even operating on my installed capacity

More like operating on 20-25%. So, when you do your copy and paste, I just smile....

All you need to do is copy phrases into google to burst my source of copy-paste.

The key is that you find it impossible to answer my questions: you will rather change subject to a different discuss

LordReed:
What is a god?

A god is any Deity recognised by people as such!
A god is also anything that guides the core values and deeds of a person!

FxMasterz:
You x-rayed her situation perfectly.

I still occasionally pray for Vanessa7.

I ask her basic questions to make her think but she has blocked her ears: this is what happens when satan has penetrated not only spiritually but emotionally.

She's enslaved by satan but she doesn't know it.

It's just like chicken in a cage: they will prefer remaining in the cage because they think that their daily needs are met in the cage.
Unfortunately, the purpose of the cage is not because of our love for the chicken: it is for our convenience of Slaughtering them when we choose.

Lukuluku69:
It is not "Sallah" it is Eid

Oya gbera go make that copy and paste!!

We will be waiting

Thanks for the correction bro'
Happy Eid to you!

LordReed:
As much as I love saying never say never, it is not likely I would ever be religious again in any form. The idea of being enslaved to an idea of a god is not palatable to me at all. If however a god does show itself to exist then sure why not but never to an idea of a god.

I think the problem of atheism is the idea that EVERYTHING in the Universe can be explained from the natural-physical point of view.
Unfortunately, our universe is too complex for that.

The more we delve into Physics, the more we see things that perplexes our naturalistic understandings.

Atheist to me are like a collection of smart people who opened up a computer to find what controls its behaviour. After everything, they found HDD, ROM, VDU, KBD etc BUT nothing like a physical device called software. They conclude, softwares in computers do not exist.

Lukuluku69:
Wind your head in you are delusional

After go to those site and do what you know best how to do: Copy and Paste

And till today, none of you have been able to find the sites where I do copy-paste!

WHat a shame!

Me too, I am looking for the site in case you find it for me!

Lukuluku, happy Salah to you

You have honestly tried!

FxMasterz:
Do you think she was ever a Christian? Her story has too many loop holes.

In a very loose sense, anyone who claims to follow Jesus is a Christian even the JW.
A true Disciple will follow Jesus to the END

However, Jesus gave a parable of the Sower, Representing the Kingdom of God.

For Vanessa7, the word of God fell on a field of thorns
Matthew 13:3-9
3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”


He that endures to the END shall be saved

By their Fruit they shall be known.

FxMasterz:
What liars fear the most is questions. Just like scammers, they hate it when you're asking too many questions.

When Satan wants to scam your soul, he forbids questions. He then uses indoctrination and brainwashing to establish deceit. A demon uses the frequent meaningless recitations to establish the imprisonment of the mind. Once your mind is imprisoned, you can't see truth. You'll just wobble through darkness until you breathe your last. When you open your eyes on the other side, that's when you'll realize you've been deceived. You'll start wondering why you didn't ask the questions you were supposed to ask. You'll start wondering why you rejected TenQ and Advocatejare's warnings even though you knew they were saying the truth. You're filled with regrets. You ll want to make amends but it'll be too late.

There'll be surprises in the Afterlife when you get there and see that there are no 72 virgins anywhere. There's no big book anywhere from which the Quran was supposedly copied. And most surprisingly, there's no Allah anywhere waiting to reward you for being a Muslim.

You'll see all the prophets of the Bible whom Mohammed imported into the Quran. Oh, you'll see the Lord Jesus in his majestic glory. You'll behold the beauty of heaven and its pearly Gates and hear the voices of angels singing in humble adoration to the King of kings and the Lord of lords. But, you wouldn't be allowed to come close. You'll see all these and hear heavenly music from a far distance. That's when you'll realize that you've been scammed.

Repent, give your life to Christ before it is too late. Allah, aka Satan, the best of deceivers have nothing to offer your soul.

I pray that the eyes of Muslims would be opened as they read.
As you said:
Any religion that forbid people from asking questions is a Scamming Religion designed to lead people straight to hell

Quran 5:101
“O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Quran is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing”

Lukuluku69:
Facts? You are even DELUSIONAL

Islam: you couldn't answer basic question (but at least you spoke some truth sha: to which I commend you)
Christianity: you are well below average in knowledge

Conclusion:
TenQ is delusional!
Okay!!

FxMasterz:
I read a story here on Nairaland not quiet long about a lady who claimed she converted to Islam from Christianity because of marriage. The lady was promoting Islam and saying Muslims are holy.

As I read through her piece, the thought that came to me was that 'What if you have been killed before you became a Muslim?'

Whereas, God patiently waits for sinners to see the light and repent, and be converted, Satan orders the killing of anyone who does not do his bidding. He does never works on the individual to see light because he knows he has no light.

Meanwhile, the true God keeps working on you all through your days of ignorance. During that time, you'll blaspheme and commit grievous sins against Him. He continues loving you and making efforts to get you saved until you leave this world.

Satan on the other hand only seeks people who'll worship him. Salvation isn't the goal. If you can't worship satan, he'll want you dead.

Muslims think that the fastest growing religion is probably the best religion. They don't understand that Satan rules this world. Sin and iniquity increases everyday. Righteousness is diminishing. Evil grows faster than Good because Satan controls the world.

I have made an observation about people converting to Christianity or Islam and this is what I found:

1. Each time someone converts to Islam, it is always as a result of logical misrepresentations of the Bible, marriage, human conviction or force. That has always been the case.

2. When Muslims, idol worshippers, atheists, cultists or Satanists convert to Christianity, it's always as a result of some supernatural encounters. Sometimes, the Lord Jesus goes extra miles to save these perishing souls just like He did to Paul. It's always been like that whenever someone is converting from the above listed Faiths into Christianity. Most times, it isn't as a result of any human effort. That's why after their conversion, people who used to know them in their former Faiths usually don't understand what happened. They persecute the person hoping he'll return but he or she never does because of that encounter.

The truth is that God loves everyone including all atheists. Don't be surprised that someday, atheists like jaephonix, lordreed, maynman, hopefullandlord, etc could one day become firebrand evangelists. It always happens like that. Just an encounter is all they need.

God never writes anyone off. He keeps loving you even when you say the most hateful things against him in your ignorance.

I agree with you.
Islam starts with basic lies to convert a Christian to Islam'
1. We serve the same God but you have changed your religion from pure monotheism
2. Islam is the only pure monotheistic religion remaining
3. Quran is the perfect word of Allah free from words of men
4. The Quran is perfectly preserved even to the diacritical marks from inception till date
5. All prophets of God including Jesus were Muslims
6. Islam is the cleanest religion
7. Islam is peace
8. The bible have been changed to KJV, Revised standard Version etc
etc

Vanessa7 used to be a christian
1. She had what she considers were demonic problem disturbing her
2. She claimed she prayed but received only temporary relief from the torment
3. She now did Ruqya (Islamic deliverance from Jinn) and she doesn't have her torment again
4. She decided to abandon her salvation in Christ on that basis for Islam

She forgot that people also go to native doctors to help them against demons disturbing them and some of them got their relief.


Could it be that wherever a solution can come from is the WAY to Salvation?

Lukuluku69:
You need that head wobble more than ever now

I guess this is your new slang whenever you are confounded with undenyable facts!

Sorry sir!

ANTIlSLAM:
Quran 9:5

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans (Christians and Jews) wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Am I not in trouble?

That is until I become a Muslim, I expect no peace?
Who will help me now!?

When someone just copy Muslim dawah without knowledge!
SMH!

Lukuluku69:
Matthew 10:5-8 (KJV) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

At the beginig of the Ministry of Jesus, Jesus Chose his 12 Core Disciples

Matthew 10:5-8
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

1. Did Jesus at the BEGINNING of His ministry send out His Disciples ONLY to the house of Israel?



AFTER the Resurrection of Jesus, He said again to them
Mark 16:14-16
14. Later, as they were eating, Jesus appeared to the Eleven and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15. And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

1. Did Jesus at the END of His ministry send out His Disciples to the whole world?
2. What happens to those who do not believe the Gospel?

Thank you for posting the scripture.
Since you don't believe in the Gospel of the Messiah, aren't you ALREADY in trouble?

I wish my Muslim Brothers and sisters well in their Body, Soul and Spirit as they End their Ramadan Fast.
Eid-ul-Fitri falling on a Friday is special.

I await my Rice and Chicken o!

Note:
There is a difference between Muslims and Islam: I love you guys!





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gaskiyamagana:
How far have you been able to make your Christian Friend ponder and query how forgetful or mistaken is your God in the revealation of His Bible that king James and others are adding and subtracting it in the process of revising and standardizing?

I am talking about myself bro!

Can you help a Christian brother (TenQ) struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?

STRAWMAN arguments!

drlateef:
If you have found the truth, why do you border us with your questions?

It would be gross WICKEDNESS on my part to see my fellow humans being "419ed" and I keep quiet.

What do you think you would do if you have a friend who is about selling off ALL his assets to fund a proposal from fraudsters if he has completely believed them?

Will you keep quiet or bombard your friend with reasons and facts to open his eyes to the truth?


The Messiah was sent to be a sacrifice and payment for our guilt and debt of sin to our Creator. A religion was set up by Mohammed (purportedly from Allah) to replace the Messiah. The adherents feel strongly that they have "the original document that leads to paradise" unfortunately, it's all a lie,,!

What do you expect me to do my friend?

rolams:
For your mind, you think you have strong questions/argument? I would have challenge you for an open debate walahi.

We don't have time for you here. If he sure for you, call any of Dr Zakir Naik, Mallam Yusuf Adepoju, Dr Muhammad and others for a debate. They have time for you.

I would prefer to debate you online rather than your international Islamic apologists celebrities because I'm a small person o. I never reach their level otherwise, you would have been seeing my face everywhere.

So, please give me a few years (like 19 years) to reach the levels of Dr Zakir Naik, Mallam Yusuf Adepoju and Dr Muhammad.

This however does not stop you from answering my simple questions.


I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



[color=ref]Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?[/color]

rolams:
Simple truth. I have been smiling seeing all these garbage he has been posting.

Garbage!?

Can you provide evidence that your Islamic references I posted are lies?

If they are not lies, why is it difficult answering my questions?

Even if my posts are garbages, it is your duty to point out exactly How they are garbages!
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